Je pars en vacances avec ma famille début Août dans le Sud-Ouest de la France et nous voulons passer juste une journée en Espagne durant ces vacances. Etant mineure, je voulais savoir s'il était possible de passer la frontière avec une carte d’identité périmée de quelques mois sans avoir de problème avec les douanes ou autre. De plus, mes parents viennent de remarquer que leurs cartes étaient aussi périmées de quelques mois mais vu que la durée de validité d'une personne majeure passe de 10 ans + 5 ans , peut-être que c'est bon ... C'est assez urgent et nous avons plus le temps de renouveler nos cartes avant notre séjour. Merci d'avance pour ceux qui auraient des réponses à mes questions.
Passer la journée en Espagne avec un mineur ayant une carte d'identité périmée
by Pauline26500
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour,
Je pars en vacances avec ma famille début Août dans le Sud-Ouest de la France et nous voulons passer juste une journée en Espagne durant ces vacances. Etant mineure, je voulais savoir s'il était possible de passer la frontière avec une carte d’identité périmée de quelques mois sans avoir de problème avec les douanes ou autre. De plus, mes parents viennent de remarquer que leurs cartes étaient aussi périmées de quelques mois mais vu que la durée de validité d'une personne majeure passe de 10 ans + 5 ans , peut-être que c'est bon ... C'est assez urgent et nous avons plus le temps de renouveler nos cartes avant notre séjour. Merci d'avance pour ceux qui auraient des réponses à mes questions.
Je pars en vacances avec ma famille début Août dans le Sud-Ouest de la France et nous voulons passer juste une journée en Espagne durant ces vacances. Etant mineure, je voulais savoir s'il était possible de passer la frontière avec une carte d’identité périmée de quelques mois sans avoir de problème avec les douanes ou autre. De plus, mes parents viennent de remarquer que leurs cartes étaient aussi périmées de quelques mois mais vu que la durée de validité d'une personne majeure passe de 10 ans + 5 ans , peut-être que c'est bon ... C'est assez urgent et nous avons plus le temps de renouveler nos cartes avant notre séjour. Merci d'avance pour ceux qui auraient des réponses à mes questions.
Bonjour.
La probabilité d'un contrôle de police à la frontière France Espagne est très faible compte tenu du nombre de touristes à cette époque de l'année. Quant à la carte d'identité de tes parents, l'Espagne n'a officiellement pas refusé la prolongation. Cela devrait passer.
La probabilité d'un contrôle de police à la frontière France Espagne est très faible compte tenu du nombre de touristes à cette époque de l'année. Quant à la carte d'identité de tes parents, l'Espagne n'a officiellement pas refusé la prolongation. Cela devrait passer.
Je me demande concrètement ce qu'on risque à passer cette frontière par voie terrestre avec une carte d'identité périmée. Etre refoulés par la police espagnole ?
Personnellement, chaque fois que j'ai été contrôlé (dans les transports en commun c'est fréquent, jamais vu en voiture), c'était par la police française qui fait la chasse aux migrants. Pas une seule fois par les espagnols.
Personnellement, chaque fois que j'ai été contrôlé (dans les transports en commun c'est fréquent, jamais vu en voiture), c'était par la police française qui fait la chasse aux migrants. Pas une seule fois par les espagnols.
Bonsoir,
Habitant pas loin de l'Espagne, nous y allons assez souvent.
Depuis "Schengen", jamais il nous a été demander de produire une pièce d'identité (Sauf pour les hôtels, obligatoire en Espagne).
La douane ? qques "barrages", mais toujours sans contrôles inquisitoires.
Bref, avis perso, pas trop de soucis à se faire, mais toujours perso, le passeport bio est pratique pour qui souhaite voyager, l'investissement n'est pas neutre, mais.......
Pour nous, dès que "voyage", c'est avec passeport. Bien sur, on pourra dire que ça coûte, mais le carburant, les péages, la bouffe, et les hôtels aussi.
En tout cas, ça coûte moins cher que changer d'Iphone ou similaire, histoire de rester "connecter"
Perso, j'ai un machin avec quoi je peux passer Tél. ou mails sans pb mais qui m'a coûté tripette !
Mais j'ai un passeport avec lequel je peut partir où je veux, quand je veux (USA/Canada demandent malgré tout un petit délai )
Bonne Espagne,
Razul
Bonsoir,
Je ne suis même pas sûr qu'on puisse être refoulé.
Michel
Je me demande concrètement ce qu'on risque à passer cette frontière par voie terrestre avec une carte d'identité périmée. Etre refoulés par la police espagnole ?
Personnellement, chaque fois que j'ai été contrôlé (dans les transports en commun c'est fréquent, jamais vu en voiture), c'était par la police française qui fait la chasse aux migrants. Pas une seule fois par les espagnols.
Je ne suis même pas sûr qu'on puisse être refoulé.
Michel
Je me demande concrètement ce qu'on risque à passer cette frontière par voie terrestre avec une carte d'identité périmée. Etre refoulés par la police espagnole ?
Personnellement, chaque fois que j'ai été contrôlé (dans les transports en commun c'est fréquent, jamais vu en voiture), c'était par la police française qui fait la chasse aux migrants. Pas une seule fois par les espagnols.
Bonsoir Jean Pierre,
On ne va pas polémiquer, ni en discuter longtemps, mais un mot quand même en passant sur votre présentation des choses. Personnellement cela me choque énormément qu'on puisse avoir renoncé au principe de libre circulation en Union européenne au point de trouver normal d'utiliser un passeport biométrique pour aller de Strasbourg à Kehl ou pour faire cinq kilomètres en Espagne. Des décennies de progrès des libertés jetés à la poubelles ainsi, vraiment, ça me bouleverse.
Michel
On ne va pas polémiquer, ni en discuter longtemps, mais un mot quand même en passant sur votre présentation des choses. Personnellement cela me choque énormément qu'on puisse avoir renoncé au principe de libre circulation en Union européenne au point de trouver normal d'utiliser un passeport biométrique pour aller de Strasbourg à Kehl ou pour faire cinq kilomètres en Espagne. Des décennies de progrès des libertés jetés à la poubelles ainsi, vraiment, ça me bouleverse.
Michel
Salut,
Sur que cela peut paraître frustrant !
Mais rappelons nous:
Il n'y a pas encore bien longtemps, passer en Espagne sans CNI était impossible !
Idem pour nombre de pays de notre belle Europe !
A mon avis, on est de nos jours, plus libre de voyager qu'avant.
Quant au Passeport bio, il permet, au pied levé de partir en Low-cost en 48 h dans pas mal de pays, inimaginable sans "papiers" valides en fonction de la destination.
Après, chacun sa façon de voir et de craindre d'être "refoulé" !
Razul
Depuis plus de quinze ans je vais très souvent en Espagne par la côte basque et je n'ai jamais été contrôlé tout simplement parce que le flot est incessant, quel que soit le lieu de passage (autoroute, route nationale, départementale, etc.).
Il y a parfois la Guardia Civil (gendarmerie) ou la Ertzaintza (police basque) mais pareil, jamais été contrôlé.
J'imagine que si vous étiez contrôléz en présence de tes parents alors il ne devrait pas se passer grand chose. Mais sans certitude évidemment.
Je parle de passages en voiture. Pour les passages en train ou en bus je ne peux pas te donner plus d'informations.
Tu as plus de probabilité d'être contrôlé par la douane française au retour.
J'imagine que si vous étiez contrôléz en présence de tes parents alors il ne devrait pas se passer grand chose. Mais sans certitude évidemment.
Je parle de passages en voiture. Pour les passages en train ou en bus je ne peux pas te donner plus d'informations.
Tu as plus de probabilité d'être contrôlé par la douane française au retour.
En bonne angoissée que je suis , pour l'Espagne c'est ma CNI , j'ai peur de perdre mon passeport 😉😉 je le garde précieusement pour les pays où il est obligatoire .
Mais comme Michel j'enrage de penser que malgré Shenguen on en est encore ä devoir justifier sa nationalité en Europe . Libre circulation qu'ils disaient 😉
Au frontiere je ne suis jamais contrôlée pourtant je passe tres souvent de l'autre côté en voiture , il, semblerait qu'en bus il y ait plus de contrôle .
Par contre depuis deux ans dans les hôtels ça c'est durci et il, faut vraiment présenter ses papiers . La première fois que ca nous est arrivé mon copain ä fait un scandale en hurlant qu'on etait plus sous Franco et qu'il refusait 😉 je me voyais déjà coucher dans la voiture à Noel 😎 par -5° ....il a bien fallu obtempéré 😕
Que se vuelva la tortilla
En France la fiche de police existe toujours pour les étrangers qui séjournent quel que soit le mode d'hébergement.
Lorsque je vais en Allemagne je dois montrer ma pièce d'identité à l'hôtel.
Idem en Espagne.
En Italie je ne me souviens plus.
Lorsque je séjourne dans des ex pays de l'Est (dans ou hors Schengen) c'est souvent le cas également y compris pour des Airbnb alors que mon identité est certifiée par Airbnb.
Pour les frontières je confirme. Je circule pas mal dans la zone Schengen, en voiture perso comme en avion, je ne me souviens pas de quand j'ai du présenter ma CNI (hors spécificité française, espagnole ou italienne pour les avions). L'été dernier je suis revenu de Barcelone en train. Une fois la frontière passée il y a eu un contrôle de la PAF. Certains passagers en situation irrégulière sont repartis avec eux à la gare suivante.
Pour les frontières je confirme. Je circule pas mal dans la zone Schengen, en voiture perso comme en avion, je ne me souviens pas de quand j'ai du présenter ma CNI (hors spécificité française, espagnole ou italienne pour les avions). L'été dernier je suis revenu de Barcelone en train. Une fois la frontière passée il y a eu un contrôle de la PAF. Certains passagers en situation irrégulière sont repartis avec eux à la gare suivante.
Bonjour,
Oui, ce que tu dis pour la fiche de police est vrai. Il a pu m'arriver que certains hôtels me demandent de laisser une copie de CNI ou de passeport quoique je ne sois pas étranger. J'ai bien sûr refusé. Il n'y a pas à se laisser imposer des règles qui n'existent pas.
Dans la plupart des pays on te demande effectivement quelque chose à l'enregistrement ; il m'a toujours semblé que c'était surtout pour être payé. Par contre il est inacceptable de devoir laisser un passeport à la réception, comme on entend parfois.
Michel
En France la fiche de police existe toujours pour les étrangers qui séjournent quel que soit le mode d'hébergement. Lorsque je vais en Allemagne je dois montrer ma pièce d'identité à l'hôtel. Idem en Espagne. En Italie je ne me souviens plus. Lorsque je séjourne dans des ex pays de l'Est (dans ou hors Schengen) c'est souvent le cas également y compris pour des Airbnb alors que mon identité est certifiée par Airbnb.
Pour les frontières je confirme. Je circule pas mal dans la zone Schengen, en voiture perso comme en avion, je ne me souviens pas de quand j'ai du présenter ma CNI (hors spécificité française, espagnole ou italienne pour les avions). L'été dernier je suis revenu de Barcelone en train. Une fois la frontière passée il y a eu un contrôle de la PAF. Certains passagers en situation irrégulière sont repartis avec eux à la gare suivante.
Oui, ce que tu dis pour la fiche de police est vrai. Il a pu m'arriver que certains hôtels me demandent de laisser une copie de CNI ou de passeport quoique je ne sois pas étranger. J'ai bien sûr refusé. Il n'y a pas à se laisser imposer des règles qui n'existent pas.
Dans la plupart des pays on te demande effectivement quelque chose à l'enregistrement ; il m'a toujours semblé que c'était surtout pour être payé. Par contre il est inacceptable de devoir laisser un passeport à la réception, comme on entend parfois.
Michel
En France la fiche de police existe toujours pour les étrangers qui séjournent quel que soit le mode d'hébergement. Lorsque je vais en Allemagne je dois montrer ma pièce d'identité à l'hôtel. Idem en Espagne. En Italie je ne me souviens plus. Lorsque je séjourne dans des ex pays de l'Est (dans ou hors Schengen) c'est souvent le cas également y compris pour des Airbnb alors que mon identité est certifiée par Airbnb.
Pour les frontières je confirme. Je circule pas mal dans la zone Schengen, en voiture perso comme en avion, je ne me souviens pas de quand j'ai du présenter ma CNI (hors spécificité française, espagnole ou italienne pour les avions). L'été dernier je suis revenu de Barcelone en train. Une fois la frontière passée il y a eu un contrôle de la PAF. Certains passagers en situation irrégulière sont repartis avec eux à la gare suivante.
En Italie aussi, et pour chaque occupant de la chambre, même si comme nous, on paie cash en arrivant, ceci pour le registre de police.
Pour Airbnb, à Naples l'an dernier, la logeuse ne m'a rien demandé (même qu'Airbnb ne m'ait jamais demandé de m'identifier officiellement avec une copie de pièce d'identité). A Rome et à Florence d'autres années non plus d'ailleurs.
Pour Airbnb, à Naples l'an dernier, la logeuse ne m'a rien demandé (même qu'Airbnb ne m'ait jamais demandé de m'identifier officiellement avec une copie de pièce d'identité). A Rome et à Florence d'autres années non plus d'ailleurs.
Mathilde
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I read on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that it’s possible to apply for a temporary driving permit in China, valid for 1 month. I’m planning to rent a car (without a driver) to explore part of the country next August, so I was wondering:
Has anyone here already gone through this process upon arrival? How long do the formalities take on the spot? Is it possible to handle these steps in advance, before arriving in China?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Hi
Has anyone been to Rwanda recently and gotten a 3-month visa on arrival easily?
Thanks
Hi there,
My departure is slowly approaching, and now that I’ve got my Russian visa sorted, I’m fine-tuning the rest of my trip to Tajikistan. Since the Tajik visa is no longer required for stays under 30 days (for French nationals), I’ll need to visit the Ministry of Interior (OVIR) to register within 10 days of entering the country. No big deal, though, since I had to go there anyway to apply for my GBAO permit. 😉 However, I’ve *seen* several reports from travelers (mostly motorized) mentioning that you need an entry permit for Kyrgyzstan, which has to be arranged in advance at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) in Dushanbe. Otherwise, you’re *stuck* at the Kyzyl-Art border (with no Wi-Fi, of course, to try and sort it out). The most recent report was from a year ago, so I’d love to know if this is still the case and if it’s indeed at the Kyrgyz Ministry (consulate?) where you need to go for this pre-authorization.
Does anyone have any recent info on this?
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone.
I’m leaving for almost 3 months in the Philippines (11 weeks total) starting in early May.
I already have my round-trip ticket.
The problem is, I don’t have time to get a 2-month visa because the process takes nearly a month.
From what I’ve read here and there, I need a return ticket valid for less than a month when I arrive in the Philippines to prove my good faith.
After that, I can apply for a 30-day extension at the immigration office.
I’m planning to either buy a fully refundable ticket to the nearest country or a fake ticket.
For 3 months, I’ll need to extend my visa two more times before my return date to France.
My question is this:
Will immigration ask me each time I extend my visa by one month to show proof of an exit ticket matching the new visa extension date?
Is it possible to extend directly by 2 months before the initial 30 days expire?
Thanks in advance for your experiences and tips! 😊
Hello to all the Thailand regulars.
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel






