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June 2026 Theme Thread: Such a Beautiful Landscape
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Best destinations for a first solo trip?
Hi there! I’m in the middle of planning my first solo trip (as a woman). Do you have any ideal destinations with activities like hiking, diving, sightseeing, and easy ways to meet locals—all on a small budget?
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s had this experience before! :)
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s had this experience before! :)
Off we go on an adventure in Puglia!
Hey there, VF crew!
After wrapping up our travel journal on Java (link below), we’re now diving into our recent adventure in Puglia! Happy reading... Off we go on an adventure in Java (and a bit of Bali) | Travel journal > Indonesia | Voyage Forum
Day 1 - October 19
When you tell your friends and family you’re itching to escape to the other side of the planet to mingle with the Mongols, you can usually expect a barrage of questionable jokes and terrible puns. For this new adventure, it’s a different destination but the same old story—this time, we’re visiting the "pouilleux" (the "scruffy" ones). We’re taking off straight for Puglia! If you need a cheat sheet to remember where this oddly named place is on a world map, just think of it this way: Puglia is the maiden name on the ID card of the heel of the Italian boot! Personally, I prefer to remember it as the land of creamy burrata, the smell of focaccia fresh from the oven, orecchiette shaped by mamas, golden olive oil that shines like the sun (which beams down here 300 days a year), amaretto that makes you happy, and those famous trulli—those little hobbit-like dry-stone houses straight out of a movie set...
But I’ll stop spoiling the rest of our trip and focus on a factual rundown of this first Puglian day. So, are you joining us on this new adventure beyond our Gallic borders? Either way, Sasha (my youngest) and Luna (Flo’s daughter) didn’t need much convincing to stick with us and keep up the pace!
Our plane drops our little crew in Bari, the site of a famously tragic battle lost in 1991. But revenge is sweet! After renting a motorized carriage, we escape the landing zone and head to our military base of operations: Ostuni, a strategic little town where we’ll set up camp for the next four days. Why Ostuni? First, for its central location, which lets us explore a region packed with must-see gems. Second, for its vibe and beauty, which have earned it quite the reputation. Perched high on a hill, the *città bianca* (the "White City") lives up to its nickname. It literally dazzles visitors. The reason? The whitewashed facades of its houses, a testament to the region’s rich architectural heritage.


We arrived late last night, so only the two bravest soldiers volunteered to scout ahead at dawn, while the younger recruits stayed behind—for now. But not for long! After the first wave of streets and the next round of exploration, headquarters made the inevitable call to retreat. Reinforcements were needed! A few strategic errands, a breakfast ration, and our battalion marched in tight formation, flag held high, to conquer Ostuni the White! *Charge!* In my squadron leader’s memoirs, I’ll write that I didn’t expect Ostuni to put up such a fight. What I thought would take two hours to conquer turned into a humbling experience—we could only bow in respect to its beauty, its relentless charm. The alleys are whiter, more labyrinthine, narrower, and more photogenic than the last. *Veni, vidi, vici*—but what an entrance, my troops!








After wrapping up our travel journal on Java (link below), we’re now diving into our recent adventure in Puglia! Happy reading... Off we go on an adventure in Java (and a bit of Bali) | Travel journal > Indonesia | Voyage Forum
Day 1 - October 19
When you tell your friends and family you’re itching to escape to the other side of the planet to mingle with the Mongols, you can usually expect a barrage of questionable jokes and terrible puns. For this new adventure, it’s a different destination but the same old story—this time, we’re visiting the "pouilleux" (the "scruffy" ones). We’re taking off straight for Puglia! If you need a cheat sheet to remember where this oddly named place is on a world map, just think of it this way: Puglia is the maiden name on the ID card of the heel of the Italian boot! Personally, I prefer to remember it as the land of creamy burrata, the smell of focaccia fresh from the oven, orecchiette shaped by mamas, golden olive oil that shines like the sun (which beams down here 300 days a year), amaretto that makes you happy, and those famous trulli—those little hobbit-like dry-stone houses straight out of a movie set...
But I’ll stop spoiling the rest of our trip and focus on a factual rundown of this first Puglian day. So, are you joining us on this new adventure beyond our Gallic borders? Either way, Sasha (my youngest) and Luna (Flo’s daughter) didn’t need much convincing to stick with us and keep up the pace!
Our plane drops our little crew in Bari, the site of a famously tragic battle lost in 1991. But revenge is sweet! After renting a motorized carriage, we escape the landing zone and head to our military base of operations: Ostuni, a strategic little town where we’ll set up camp for the next four days. Why Ostuni? First, for its central location, which lets us explore a region packed with must-see gems. Second, for its vibe and beauty, which have earned it quite the reputation. Perched high on a hill, the *città bianca* (the "White City") lives up to its nickname. It literally dazzles visitors. The reason? The whitewashed facades of its houses, a testament to the region’s rich architectural heritage.


We arrived late last night, so only the two bravest soldiers volunteered to scout ahead at dawn, while the younger recruits stayed behind—for now. But not for long! After the first wave of streets and the next round of exploration, headquarters made the inevitable call to retreat. Reinforcements were needed! A few strategic errands, a breakfast ration, and our battalion marched in tight formation, flag held high, to conquer Ostuni the White! *Charge!* In my squadron leader’s memoirs, I’ll write that I didn’t expect Ostuni to put up such a fight. What I thought would take two hours to conquer turned into a humbling experience—we could only bow in respect to its beauty, its relentless charm. The alleys are whiter, more labyrinthine, narrower, and more photogenic than the last. *Veni, vidi, vici*—but what an entrance, my troops!








Hitchhiking in the 70s-80s

“Hey, your Marker... - My Marker? - The one you used to make hitchhiking signs.”
The marker in question is sitting proudly on the kitchen table. Marielle found it at the bottom of a moving box.
I’ve been meaning to tell the long story of my love affair with hitchhiking for years. Here we go.
To be honest, I’m not quite sure when it started. My earliest memory goes back to a fair with a bike race in my maternal grandparents’ village. I was with my cousin, my little sister, and three girl cousins. There were six of us, ages ranging from six or seven to thirteen or fourteen. Our parents stayed at the fair, and we’d had enough. So we decided to walk home. Only it was four kilometers away. So we hitchhiked. A guy driving an old car picked us all up and dropped us off at the farm. He probably found it amusing to see us thumbing a ride by the side of the road, but maybe it also worried him a bit. With everything you read in the papers...
Around fifteen or sixteen, I started hitchhiking regularly, alone or with a friend, to go to the nearby town. But it was especially when I started boarding school in Orléans that it became more regular. The first year, I’d leave Monday morning and come back Saturday noon by bus. It was an old, uncomfortable bus where we froze in winter. To make matters worse, I often got motion sickness if, as was too often the case, I ended up sitting in the back. In the spring, a high school friend suggested I hitchhike back. It meant a slight detour, but the advantage was taking only national roads.
So that’s how, from the end of tenth grade to twelfth grade, I’d thumb a ride every Saturday on the Pont de Bourgogne. Drivers were used to seeing young people hitchhiking, and it worked pretty well. Our biggest fear? Soldiers! At that time, military service was still mandatory, and on weekends, it wasn’t rare to see them competing with us. They’d keep their uniforms on to go home. That gave people confidence—with everything you read in the papers—and they’d rarely wait more than five minutes. We, with our long hair, were definitely less popular. From time to time, three big red-faced guys in a van coming back from a construction site would flip us off, yelling things like “go get a haircut, you bums!” Those were the good old days.
We still had a good laugh, though. Patrice, the friend I’d hitchhike back from school with on Saturdays, is a musician—I’d later discover he’s an excellent composer. A die-hard Beatles fan, he knows their repertoire by heart and spends his time singing at the top of his lungs while we thumb a ride. One Saturday late morning, we’d been waiting for a while at the exit of Châteauneuf-sur-Loire when a little lady came up to him and asked if he could please sing a little quieter: a baby was sleeping in the house. He put on the most sorry face: “Oh, sorry ma’am, we didn’t realize.” No sooner had the lady gone back inside than he started again. Luckily, a car stopped just then, sparing me the embarrassment of seeing the lady come back out.
Saturday was also the day when the cigarette pack was dangerously low. So before leaving, we’d go buy some “Parisiennes,” the “P4s” as we called them back then. They were slightly thinner cigarettes with a mix of tobacco scraps. Sometimes they tasted like light tobacco, sometimes like dark. Not great, but by the end of the week, our pocket money was gone. They were sold in small packs of four, hence the name P4. We’d only pay 20 centimes. On Saturdays, it was rare for the two of us to manage to scrape together 1.50 F to buy a whole pack of Gauloises...
The last twenty kilometers, I’d usually do alone, Patrice having reached his destination. From time to time, luck would smile on me: an acquaintance would just happen to pass by and stop. One January Saturday, at the exit of Gien, I ran into another guy from Argenton whom I knew a little. That day, the weather was nice, but the temperature was well below zero. It was around noon, and it was the off-peak hour. We were shivering, stamping our feet by the side of the road, when a Citroën “Tube” arrived: it was his father’s boss’s, a mason. They were both sitting in the front, but since they were obese, they had us climb onto the open back. Even though we huddled against the cab to shelter from the wind, the twenty kilometers felt very long, especially since we were only going sixty kilometers an hour. Our hands and cheeks were blue when we finally arrived.
The year I took my baccalaureate, a friend with a 2CV would take me Monday mornings with one or two others we’d pick up in nearby villages. We’d share the gas costs, but it was still cheaper than the bus. And in winter, the bus was my nightmare. You had to get up at five to catch it at six. Not enough sleep, and outside it was freezing or raining—or both. The 2CV was luxury. Plus, Philippe would pick me up at home. On the other hand, since I didn’t have class Saturday mornings—well, I did, but we only had PE the first two hours and nothing after—I’d skip class and slip out right after breakfast to thumb a ride at the Pont de Bourgogne.
Those three high school years were formative in this optional subject that was hitchhiking. Little by little, I learned the rules of the game. First, you shouldn’t walk along the road while thumbing. Cars go too fast and can’t stop easily. Accepting a ride that’s too short is also a no-go. The guy who offers to take you a little way but drops you off at some vague crossroads in the middle of nowhere? No thanks. You need to get dropped off in a town. If it’s a fairly big city, you often have to cross it from one end to the other, but it’s better. At the exit, you have to choose your spot well. Actually, you have to put yourself in the driver’s shoes: they need to see you early enough, not be going too fast, and be able to stop easily without risking an accident. So when leaving a city, it’s better not to go too far. It’s wiser to find a spot where cars go slowly and can stop easily. And preferably near a café. The café is for when you still have a few coins for a coffee and need to warm up. From time to time, you’d run into someone nice who’d make a detour to drop you off at a better spot to start again. Finally, if possible, avoid hitchhiking on Sundays. Cars are packed with whole families who, most of the time, aren’t going far. And then there’s the little worry of those people who rarely leave home: with everything you read in the papers...
During those high school years, it was only short trips, rarely exceeding a hundred kilometers. Later, I aimed bigger, and things were a bit different. In 1973-74, I crossed part of France for the first time on two or three occasions, coming back from the German border or returning to Bordeaux, where we lived briefly. Since there weren’t many highways back then, we took national roads. It was during these trips that I realized it was better to leave in the evening. As I said earlier, Sunday is to be avoided, but on weekdays, there’s another problem: if you leave in the morning, you only make short hops. First, it often takes longer to get going because drivers are people going to work nearby. Which brings us back to those who drop you off in a bad spot, far from everything. There, you have to know how to refuse. You thank the driver for stopping—oh, if only everyone could be like you—while explaining why you’d rather stay put. People don’t take offense, by the way. Those who pick up hitchhikers often hitchhiked themselves when they were in the military or before they had a car. In the late afternoon, you’d often run into salespeople or truckers, in other words, people who drive a lot. At that time, salespeople no longer had appointments and were more relaxed. They wanted to talk about something other than the merits of their products. On the radio, it was time for *Les Grosses Têtes*. You’d also quite often run into small business owners, professionals, or even hippies. The conversations were pleasant and often enriching. A little later in the evening, truckers would take over. They’d already driven a few hundred kilometers, and the depot or customs was still far away. So they’d gladly take a hitchhiker to stay awake at the wheel and chat. The radio with Max Ménier’s show *Les routiers sont sympas*, you’d eventually get tired of it. So a hitchhiker was a change. Others, who’d hit the road at midnight to be at their destination by morning, were nice and offered to let you lie down on the bunk while they drove. When you’d been hitchhiking since six in the evening, freezing in the wind between two vehicles, you weren’t unhappy to take a little nap.
Speaking of Max Ménier, he’d often make announcements for hitchhikers. One evening, I called him. It was getting late, and I still had quite a way to go. No luck: the show had ended for good the day before!
In short, it’s better not to rush, sleep in, and leave after lunch, or better yet, in the late afternoon. Obviously, I’m talking about when you have several hundred kilometers to cover. That’s when you have to play it pro.
First thing, especially at night, but it also applies in the middle of summer when the light is blinding: dress to be seen from far away. I’ll admit I have an advantage over most other hitchhikers: I’m small and don’t scare people. To balance that out, racist drivers often take me for an Arab and are less likely to pick me up, but overall, the balance tips in my favor. Back to the need to be seen: at night, I wear light-colored clothes. In headlights, you can see me from far away.
Second thing: travel light. Forget the big backpack with a frame. Drivers don’t always have room in the trunk or on the back seat, especially if it’s rained and the ground is wet. Plus, it forces them to get out of the car. If they’re nice enough to pick up a hitchhiker, you shouldn’t ask for too much either.
Third thing: bring a cardboard sign and a big marker—like the ones in the photo at the start of this post—to write the name of your destination. In the early 80s, I ran a tourist house in the Cher, but I lived in the Netherlands. In the off-season, it was only open on weekends. On Fridays, I’d leave Holland and return on Mondays. 1200 km round trip. On the way there, in Paris, I’d stand at Porte de la Chapelle. At that spot, the road is very wide, and drivers could stop easily. Obviously, on the sign, I didn’t write Eindhoven, which not everyone knows, and even less Amsterdam because of its seedy reputation. In that case, you’d expect to see a police car stop and two officers in kepis ask for your papers. So as a first destination, I’d write Compiègne. We were well out of Paris, and since it wasn’t too far, a trucker or salesperson was less reluctant to stop. Once past Compiègne, I’d take out my Lille sign. Once in Belgium, it wasn’t really necessary to use a sign anymore, since everyone was going in the same direction. Usually, the guy who picked me up at Porte de la Chapelle would say he wasn’t going far but could take me a little way. Before that, I’d still ask if there was a gas station on the highway where he could drop me off before exiting. While talking, the guy would realize he wasn’t dealing with a dangerous criminal. He’d pretend to check his watch, think for a moment, then say that actually, he was going to Belgium and could take me to the border or a little beyond. To leave Paris on the way back, I’d take the train to Melun, where it was easier to hitchhike than at Porte d’Italie.
Over all those years, I think I was pretty lucky. Or maybe philosophical enough not to imagine a car would stop after a few minutes. An hour’s wait was average. Sure, I sometimes waited three, four, or five hours. Most often at odd hours and in terrible weather. When it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. But there’s always a moment when things pick up. Sure, when you’re soaked in freezing rain in the early morning after a sleepless night, you’re less philosophical than when I’m writing these lines comfortably at my computer, but it still holds true.
Earlier, I mentioned clothing and the importance of being well-rested before leaving. When you’ve eaten well and just gotten out of the shower, shaved, you’re in a better mood. And somehow, drivers sense it. Or at least, that’s the impression I’ve always had. It’s better to look in shape than disgusted at standing there, half-heartedly thumbing a ride. In short, when I’d start to get fed up with waiting, I’d go into the first café I saw for a coffee. Coming back out, I’d be refreshed, and most of the time, a car would stop within minutes. I’ve often said that when I stood by the side of the road thumbing a ride, I felt a bit like a gambler in front of a slot machine. It was a matter of giving luck a chance. And well, it worked out pretty well.
Then, there are countries where hitchhiking works really well and others where it’s harder. In the 70s-80s, it worked best in Germany and England. In the late afternoon, it wasn’t rare to be invited for tea. Well, that was in England. Tea meant being offered room and board. In Germany, they’d offer you coffee. Once there, they’d first show you the guest room and point out the bathroom before sitting you down in front of a big plate of cold cuts. In the evening, they’d go out in town, and the next morning, they’d usually drop you off at a good spot for hitchhiking. On the other hand, in Mediterranean and Scandinavian countries, you’d better be patient. In Spain or Italy, it’s better to take the train, which was dirt cheap back then. However, if you’re a couple traveling light, it’s already easier in most countries.
In 1982, I went on a trip around Turkey with my girlfriend. We only had two small bags, which was plenty. It was November-December, and we wore our warm, bulky clothes. Leaving Eindhoven at nine in the morning, we arrived in Graz, near the Yugoslav border, at eleven at night. 1300 km in a day! In just four or five vehicles. One to the German border, about fifty kilometers from Eindhoven, the second to Hagen in the Ruhr, the third to Salzburg, and the last to Graz at the Yugoslav border. Record broken. During the night crossing of Yugoslavia, we ran into a trucker close to retirement who lent us the truck’s bunk. So we arrived fresh and rested near Skopje the next morning. We continued to Thessaloniki in northern Greece before taking the train to Istanbul. In Turkey, we traveled a good part of the country by hitchhiking too. With truckers in old, overloaded, slow trucks that climbed hills at fifteen kilometers an hour, but also in cars where five or six people were already crammed in. And every time, we were invited for tea. Once, we were even picked up by a big shot in his Mercedes with a chauffeur. Until then, the average speed was around fifty kilometers an hour. There, we were going two hundred. On a national road, not a nice European highway.
I’ve also hitchhiked in Nepal, from Lumbini, Buddha’s birthplace, to a village on the way to Pokhara. It must have been midday. No bus until the next day. I gave it a try. A small truck overloaded with rice sacks, with two or three young people already perched on top, stopped. I rode on the roof of the cab. At fifty kilometers an hour when it was going well, with a breathtaking view. Coming back from India, I also crossed part of Iran by hitchhiking, from Tehran to the Turkish border. I did this trip with an Austrian I met at the hotel who, like me, had to watch his pennies. We gave it a shot. There was almost no traffic, but to our great surprise, the first car that passed in the area would always stop. They’d just ask for a modest contribution for gas, and it cost next to nothing.
Sometimes, you get scared too. After leaving Turkey in early December 82, we spent about two weeks in the southern Peloponnese harvesting olives. A few days before Christmas, we hitchhiked back to Holland. A girl picked us up in her little Fiat 500. We were driving on a mountain road, and that morning there was a bit of black ice. After crossing a pass, we saw the old Ford Taunus ahead of us at fifty meters start to skid. The driver let out a “heeee!” while grabbing my knees. I reflexively grabbed the wheel. Finally, the Taunus got back on track. And we didn’t swerve. But those few seconds felt very long.
In January 77, while I’d been living in Germany for a few months, I decided to spend a few days in Italy. By hitchhiking, of course. I left in the early afternoon, and by ten at night, I wasn’t far from Frankfurt. I saw a big Mercedes stop. The four or five young people crammed inside were listening to Schlager at full volume. Beer cans littered the floor. They didn’t have a precise destination, and as long as they were going south, that was fine with me. They’d finished their military service that very day and had clearly already celebrated their discharge. The driver was going 160, zigzagging dangerously from one side of the highway to the other. I should have realized he wasn’t entirely sober either. Luckily, there was almost no traffic. Finally, I managed to get dropped off at a gas station just before Frankfurt, relieved. I hope their trip didn’t end tragically.
Another time, coming back from Holland with my wife, we were picked up early in the morning near Senlis by two guys from Lille. They were going to work near Tours and could drop us off at Porte d’Italie. Apparently, they were coworkers but barely knew each other. The driver offered us a beer—at six in the morning, sure!—before opening another can for himself. He was clearly having trouble staying in the right lane. We politely declined, the passenger too. Everyone was tense. Luckily, it was rush hour on the ring road, and we were going slowly. When we got out of the car, the passenger said goodbye with the look of a guy being offered the condemned man’s rum and cigarette.
Finally, there are the annoying remarks from drivers who are either gay when you’re alone or turned on by the sight of your girlfriend when you’re a couple. In those cases, I’d get in the back so the guy wouldn’t feel too confident. And if the conversation got a little too suggestive, we’d deflect until we got dropped off.
And luckily, there are the times, not so rare after all, when you run into really nice people who invite you to eat and sleep at their place and drive you to a good spot the next morning. In Germany and England, that was common. And then there are the big strokes of luck, like during our trip to Turkey when we crossed most of Germany in one car, or that other time when some Germans drove me from the exit of Geneva all the way to the Costa Brava.
Going back to “with everything you read in the papers” and its variant “with everything you see on TV”—and now on the internet—it’s always left me perplexed. Personally, I’ve never heard of hitchhikers assaulting drivers, even if it may have happened. On the other hand, what was most common were hitchhikers being assaulted, especially girls. Anyway, even armed, it seems a bit stupid to assault the driver—wouldn’t that risk causing an accident?
Finally, since that time, I’ve occasionally wanted to hitchhike somewhere far away in France. Most often, too busy with work, it never happened, but the nostalgia hasn’t completely disappeared.
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Other Hitchhikers
And then one day, I... settled down to become a driver myself. Ten years had passed, and you saw fewer and fewer hitchhikers. Or maybe I saw fewer because I had a regular job and wasn’t traveling the same way. And then I understood a few things.
Several times, I was tempted to pick up a hitchhiker, but they didn’t meet the required conditions. They were walking along the road instead of staying at the exit of the previous town. Hard to stop without risking an accident. Or the guy looked really scruffy. Or he was sulking, if not both. Then you think of that famous “with everything you read in the papers.” Not that I was scared, but unfortunately, the few hitchhikers I did pick up later were rarely interesting.
A few years ago, we picked up a young guy at the exit of a small town in Sologne. Not an easy spot for hitchhiking. Bad luck, he was a pretentious little jerk. He was barely 20 or 25 and talked like a bitter old man. He was a waiter in a restaurant. According to him, it was lucky he was there, otherwise the boss would have closed up shop long ago. You’d think he had thirty or forty years of professional experience behind him. As we approached Blois, he started ranting about Arabs, blaming them for all evils. And he laid it on thick. That morning, we were going to a teenager’s funeral who had just committed suicide, so he really got on our nerves, Mr. Know-It-All. Out of anger, I dropped him off next to a shopping center a few kilometers from downtown. Not nice, but it felt good.
Some time ago, we were driving around the Limousin on a Sunday to try out the used Twingo we’d just bought. We picked up a guy in his forties. A German who spoke French well. He started talking about the environment. He was a green Khmer. He got worked up all by himself with his pseudo-eco rant and, after a few kilometers, was almost yelling at us. As we were about to leave the main road for a small one, I dropped him off at a crossroads in the middle of nowhere. Normally, I would have made a little detour to take him to a better spot, but this time, I didn’t feel like doing the... eco-warrior a favor.
On the other hand, I’ve still done my good deed a few times. One June morning, coming back from Orléans, I saw a man in his sixties hitchhiking. The poor guy had had a rough time. He was from Montpellier and was coming back from Caen, where he’d been promised a job. Once there, they bluntly told him the position was already taken, and he had to go back. Except he didn’t have enough money left for the train. He’d spent the night hitchhiking without success. I could only take him as far as Lamotte-Beuvron, where I dropped him off near the fire station. Apparently, there was some vague shelter there or something, but it only opened a few hours later. In the meantime, he settled on the grass in a corner to sleep a little. While he was doing that, I quickly went to the train station to check the price of a ticket to Montpellier. It was within my means. Since he was sound asleep, I slipped the train ticket and 100 francs into his pocket. I couldn’t imagine him continuing to hitchhike all the way to Montpellier. And I bet he didn’t even have a piece of cardboard and a marker!
When we go to Brazil, we usually rent a small car. One day, we were coming back from Paracuru to Fortaleza when we saw a whole family hitchhiking. Two adults and two or three small children. Here near the equator, the sun sets very quickly, and it would soon be night. There was little traffic, and trucks wouldn’t stop because there was no room in the cab. As for the rich people driving big 4x4s, they wouldn’t stoop to picking up the lower classes. The only hope for this kind of family was usually a farmer or artisan who’d let them ride in the back of his pickup. Obviously, they were a bit surprised to see us. Everyone crammed in as best they could in the back of our little car. When we dropped them off, we got a whole string of “Deus lhes abençõe”—God bless you.
Still in Brazil, we were on the road from Barreirinhas to São Luís do Maranhão. About 150 km of deserted road with an isolated mud house here and there. A young woman flagged us down. She was very pregnant and had to get to the clinic twenty or thirty kilometers away to give birth. Someone was supposed to drive her, but the first signs of labor started earlier than expected, and the driver was unavailable. Even driving fast, we weren’t feeling great: it would be just our luck if she gave birth in the car!
Today, we’re in the age of smartphones and carpooling apps. Safety. With everything you see on TV... Three or four years ago, we signed up on a platform. Our first, and only, “client” was a little jerk who didn’t say a word the whole trip. No hello, no goodbye, and certainly no thank you. The next day, we found his Ray-Bans in the car. We didn’t run after him to give them back. Ha!
Do travel encounters matter to you?
Hi there,
My name’s Emilie, and my view of travel has changed. I used to travel just to tick off the "places and things to do/see" boxes. But lately, I’ve realized that encounters have become really important to me while traveling. In fact, the people I’ve met and what they’ve brought to my life are now my best travel memories. What do you think? Have you had a similar shift in perspective? Are you more interested in meeting people while traveling now?
To be totally honest, I’m training to become a travel planner (a trip organizer), and I was thinking of focusing on organizing trips that are more centered around encounters. So I’d love to know if this makes sense—if travelers are interested in this kind of experience. Just to be clear, I’m not selling anything; I just want to chat and hear your thoughts.
Have a lovely evening, everyone! :)
My name’s Emilie, and my view of travel has changed. I used to travel just to tick off the "places and things to do/see" boxes. But lately, I’ve realized that encounters have become really important to me while traveling. In fact, the people I’ve met and what they’ve brought to my life are now my best travel memories. What do you think? Have you had a similar shift in perspective? Are you more interested in meeting people while traveling now?
To be totally honest, I’m training to become a travel planner (a trip organizer), and I was thinking of focusing on organizing trips that are more centered around encounters. So I’d love to know if this makes sense—if travelers are interested in this kind of experience. Just to be clear, I’m not selling anything; I just want to chat and hear your thoughts.
Have a lovely evening, everyone! :)
Where to park when visiting Swiss cities?
Hi there,
I’m spending some time in Switzerland this summer. Beyond the landscapes, I’d still like to visit a few cities—especially Bern, Lausanne, Zurich, and Fribourg.
The issue is parking...
For Lausanne, I found a park-and-ride that’s cheaper on Saturdays. But for the others, it gets tricky...
I don’t necessarily plan to park right in the city center, but there don’t seem to be proper park-and-rides...
I see that the Bern–Fribourg railway line is under construction.
I’d really like to avoid paying an arm and a leg for parking over there or relying on a train once an hour.
Same goes for Montreux—it looks pretty complicated...
If you’ve got any tips...
Thanks! !
I’m spending some time in Switzerland this summer. Beyond the landscapes, I’d still like to visit a few cities—especially Bern, Lausanne, Zurich, and Fribourg.
The issue is parking...
For Lausanne, I found a park-and-ride that’s cheaper on Saturdays. But for the others, it gets tricky...
I don’t necessarily plan to park right in the city center, but there don’t seem to be proper park-and-rides...
I see that the Bern–Fribourg railway line is under construction.
I’d really like to avoid paying an arm and a leg for parking over there or relying on a train once an hour.
Same goes for Montreux—it looks pretty complicated...
If you’ve got any tips...
Thanks! !
Lake Bourget: The Parachuting Nightmare
If you're walking around the southern part of Lake Bourget, you can't escape the noise from a parachuting club's planes. A group of climate skeptics actually takes off in small, very noisy aircraft every 15 minutes over a Natura 2000 classified area. They don’t seem to face any restrictions—neither for noise nor for greenhouse gas emissions. They occupy the airspace without paying fuel taxes or providing carbon compensation to local municipalities or environmental preservation associations, apparently. It sounds surreal, but it’s very real in such an important location.
Grand Teton National Park
Every day, I look back at my 2022 trip to Wyoming. And every day, I tell myself I need to start getting ready to go back. Don’t agree? 😎


Car insurance coverage with Fortunéo Gold Mastercard for Bulgaria
Hi there.
First, please excuse the dry nature of my post—I’m going to talk about insurance and credit cards!
I’m renting a car in Bulgaria using my "Gold Mastercard." I know the benefits, and in this case, I don’t need to take out additional insurance from the rental company.
However, the assistance booklet states: "The insurer cannot, under any circumstances, reimburse the insured for the amount of the CDW (Collision Damage Waiver) or LDW (Loss Damage Waiver) insurance paid to the rental company if the insured forgot to decline it or if it’s automatically included in a package the insured accepted."
The issue is that when I look at different rental companies, it’s often specified that "insurance is included" (non-declinable because it’s part of the package), and I’m worried there might be some minimal CDW or LDW coverage that would prevent my Gold Mastercard coverage from applying if needed.
Since it’s difficult to contact or communicate with rental companies (most bookings are made online) and Mastercard’s responses are pretty vague, I’m turning to you all for help.
Here are my questions: - How can I be sure the rental company’s insurance doesn’t include CDW or LDW? - Do you know of any rental companies where this is clearly stated? - Does Gold Mastercard coverage work with local agencies? - Is it possible for a rental company to refuse Gold Mastercard coverage?
I assume travelers who can answer have already had this experience.
Thanks in advance for your help.
I’m renting a car in Bulgaria using my "Gold Mastercard." I know the benefits, and in this case, I don’t need to take out additional insurance from the rental company.
However, the assistance booklet states: "The insurer cannot, under any circumstances, reimburse the insured for the amount of the CDW (Collision Damage Waiver) or LDW (Loss Damage Waiver) insurance paid to the rental company if the insured forgot to decline it or if it’s automatically included in a package the insured accepted."
The issue is that when I look at different rental companies, it’s often specified that "insurance is included" (non-declinable because it’s part of the package), and I’m worried there might be some minimal CDW or LDW coverage that would prevent my Gold Mastercard coverage from applying if needed.
Since it’s difficult to contact or communicate with rental companies (most bookings are made online) and Mastercard’s responses are pretty vague, I’m turning to you all for help.
Here are my questions: - How can I be sure the rental company’s insurance doesn’t include CDW or LDW? - Do you know of any rental companies where this is clearly stated? - Does Gold Mastercard coverage work with local agencies? - Is it possible for a rental company to refuse Gold Mastercard coverage?
I assume travelers who can answer have already had this experience.
Thanks in advance for your help.
What’s your definition of a nature destination?
Hi,
I’m starting this thread after a digression that began in the India section and continued in a travel journal about Kerala.
The original topic was whether India is—or isn’t—a nature destination.
I’ll let you all discuss and share your own definition of a nature destination. 🙂
I’m starting this thread after a digression that began in the India section and continued in a travel journal about Kerala.
The original topic was whether India is—or isn’t—a nature destination.
I’ll let you all discuss and share your own definition of a nature destination. 🙂
Bike Route and AI
I'm currently exploring how to create a travel itinerary using AI, specifically ChatGPT.
Question: Bike route from Bordeaux to Paris.
Rough response:
A bike route between Bordeaux and Paris is an incredible adventure, typically around 600 to 650 km depending on the chosen path. Here’s an example of an itinerary with key points:Main Option: La Scandibérique (EuroVelo 3) La Scandibérique is the French section of EuroVelo 3, connecting Bordeaux to Paris through stunning landscapes. This route is well-marked and takes you through small roads and greenways.Main Stages
Bordeaux → Libourne (about 40 km)
Follow the Garonne River, cross the vineyards of Entre-deux-Mers, and reach Libourne, a charming wine town. Greenways available.
Libourne → Périgueux (about 100 km)
Cross the Dordogne with stops in villages like Montpon-Ménestérol. Mix of quiet small roads and trails.
Périgueux → Châteauroux (about 160 km, in several stages)
Through the Parc Naturel Régional de la Brenne. This stage is longer but rich in nature and heritage.
Châteauroux → Orléans (about 110 km)
Reach the banks of the Loire to enjoy the famous Loire à Vélo, a beautiful section with châteaux.
Orléans → Paris (about 140 km)
Pass through the Forêt de Fontainebleau before joining the bike paths along the Seine all the way to Paris.
Question: Bike route from Bordeaux to Paris.
Rough response:
A bike route between Bordeaux and Paris is an incredible adventure, typically around 600 to 650 km depending on the chosen path. Here’s an example of an itinerary with key points:Main Option: La Scandibérique (EuroVelo 3) La Scandibérique is the French section of EuroVelo 3, connecting Bordeaux to Paris through stunning landscapes. This route is well-marked and takes you through small roads and greenways.Main Stages
Bordeaux → Libourne (about 40 km)
Follow the Garonne River, cross the vineyards of Entre-deux-Mers, and reach Libourne, a charming wine town. Greenways available.
Libourne → Périgueux (about 100 km)
Cross the Dordogne with stops in villages like Montpon-Ménestérol. Mix of quiet small roads and trails.
Périgueux → Châteauroux (about 160 km, in several stages)
Through the Parc Naturel Régional de la Brenne. This stage is longer but rich in nature and heritage.
Châteauroux → Orléans (about 110 km)
Reach the banks of the Loire to enjoy the famous Loire à Vélo, a beautiful section with châteaux.
Orléans → Paris (about 140 km)
Pass through the Forêt de Fontainebleau before joining the bike paths along the Seine all the way to Paris.
8-day road trip starting from Agadir
Hi everyone!
I’m heading to Morocco for a full 8 days in early November—it’s my first time visiting. I’m traveling solo and arrive in Agadir on Sunday at 10 PM.
I plan to rent a car to get around.
I’m reaching out to get your advice so I can plan my trip as well as possible...
Here are my questions:
1 - Given my late arrival, is it better to stay overnight in Agadir for the first night? If so, do you have any hotel recommendations, and is transportation easy to arrange at that hour?
2 - Do you have any trusted rental car companies to recommend in Agadir?
3 - For 7 days, here’s the route I’ve planned: Agadir → Taroudant → Taliouine → Tafraoute → Tiznit → Agadir. Does this route seem good (not too short, not too long, any spots worth adding?), considering I enjoy driving?
4 - Should I book my accommodations in advance?
Thanks in advance for your recommendations! I hope these questions aren’t too repetitive compared to what’s already been asked on the forum.
Sébastien
First trips after...
A turbulent period came to an end around 2022.
Many of us have returned to big trips after making only very small ones—or none at all. For a little anecdote, my dentist told me that due to the lack of travel, a lot of clients treated themselves to implants they would’ve otherwise skipped. The joy of traveling again probably gave some vacationers smiles they hadn’t dared to show before!
Here, you can share what’s on your mind: Have these new, real trips disappointed you, rejuvenated you, or just relieved a long frustration?
For my part, not being so young anymore, there was definitely relief but no explosion of joy. I just had the feeling of picking up the thread of life after a foggy pause, with the bitter taste that 2 or 3 years of my life had been partly stolen from me.
Many of us have returned to big trips after making only very small ones—or none at all. For a little anecdote, my dentist told me that due to the lack of travel, a lot of clients treated themselves to implants they would’ve otherwise skipped. The joy of traveling again probably gave some vacationers smiles they hadn’t dared to show before!
Here, you can share what’s on your mind: Have these new, real trips disappointed you, rejuvenated you, or just relieved a long frustration?
For my part, not being so young anymore, there was definitely relief but no explosion of joy. I just had the feeling of picking up the thread of life after a foggy pause, with the bitter taste that 2 or 3 years of my life had been partly stolen from me.
Concours photo, août 2020: Le voyage en noir et blanc
Bonjour à tous
En préambule je rappelle que ma présence ici est tout à fait fortuite, j'ai l'honneur de remplacer Av31, gagnant du concours sur le thème "Verticales" avec sa photo de Devil's Tower.
« Je préfère photographier en noir et blanc qu’en couleurs. Le noir et blanc va à l'essentiel, la couleur aurait distrait l'histoire que je voulais raconter ».Kadir Van Lohuize
Je vous propose un concours dont le sujet sera complètement libre (youpi) mais avec une petite contrainte technique (pffff...). Nous regarderons la vie en noir & blanc.
Vos photos devront évoquer le voyage mais je laisse à chacun une petite marge de manœuvre, par exemple celle de nous présenter un portrait (d'ici ou d'ailleurs), une image macro (fleur, insecte...), une image graphique (lignes et courbes). Mais sur vos 3 photos je n'accepterai qu'une seule exception, nous sommes ensemble pour parler voyage !
Il existe sur le net un tas de petits logiciels très faciles d'utilisation mais si vous rencontrez des difficultés pour convertir une image en noir et blanc je le ferai pour vous.
Quelques astuces pour choisir vos photos: Le noir et blanc convient à des sujets très variés mais vous pouvez donner un impact bien plus fort à votre image en tenant compte de certains points. La texture. La couleur aura tendance à l'éclipser alors que le noir et blanc lui donnera toute son importance en faisant ressortir l'intensité des détails: les stries et les nœuds du bois, le tissus, la pierre, les rides de la peau... Les lignes. Celles d’un bâtiment, d’une rue pavée, un marquage au sol ou bien les lumières de la rue. Diriger l'attention dessus, c’est faire ressortir un détail que l’on ne voit pas avec les couleurs. Les formes géométriques. Symétriques ou non, triangulaires, carrées ou rondes, dessinées par l’homme ou naturelles les formes attireront l’œil et se démarqueront bien plus qu'en couleur. Les contrastes. Ils sont vos amis ! Une lumière forte avec des zones d’ombre va créer une image avec des tonalités, c’est ce contraste qui est l'élément essentiel pour réussir une photographie en noir et blanc par exemple un ciel chargé de gros nuages percés par des rayons de soleil.
Vous pourrez participer jusqu’au samedi 22 août à 23h59, heure de Paris. Chaque participant est autorisé à poster jusqu’à trois photos, numérotées de 1 à 3, en précisant le lieu de prise de vue.
Le vote aura lieu du dimanche 23 à 0h01 au dimanche 30 août à 23h59. Il est accessible à tous, participants ou non, dans la limite d’un vote, et se fera par l’attribution d’un total de six points répartis sur 3 ou 4 photos : Photo n°1 : 3 points Photo n°2 : 2 points Photo n°3 : 1 point
La photo gagnante sera celle qui aura remporté le plus de points. En cas d’égalité pour la première position, les photos seront départagées par le nombre de votes à 3 points, puis, si l'égalité persiste, par le nombre de votes à 2 points, etc.
Le ou la gagnant(e) aura le privilège d’organiser le concours de septembre.
Ce fil est réservé aux photos participantes et aux votes. La discussion liée aux à-cotés se passe par là: https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=10330486;a=10330486
Le lien pour le diaporama: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPLqy2E
Les précédents concours: herikles.free.fr/.VF/VFconcours.html






En préambule je rappelle que ma présence ici est tout à fait fortuite, j'ai l'honneur de remplacer Av31, gagnant du concours sur le thème "Verticales" avec sa photo de Devil's Tower.
« Je préfère photographier en noir et blanc qu’en couleurs. Le noir et blanc va à l'essentiel, la couleur aurait distrait l'histoire que je voulais raconter ».Kadir Van Lohuize
Je vous propose un concours dont le sujet sera complètement libre (youpi) mais avec une petite contrainte technique (pffff...). Nous regarderons la vie en noir & blanc.
Vos photos devront évoquer le voyage mais je laisse à chacun une petite marge de manœuvre, par exemple celle de nous présenter un portrait (d'ici ou d'ailleurs), une image macro (fleur, insecte...), une image graphique (lignes et courbes). Mais sur vos 3 photos je n'accepterai qu'une seule exception, nous sommes ensemble pour parler voyage !
Il existe sur le net un tas de petits logiciels très faciles d'utilisation mais si vous rencontrez des difficultés pour convertir une image en noir et blanc je le ferai pour vous.
Quelques astuces pour choisir vos photos: Le noir et blanc convient à des sujets très variés mais vous pouvez donner un impact bien plus fort à votre image en tenant compte de certains points. La texture. La couleur aura tendance à l'éclipser alors que le noir et blanc lui donnera toute son importance en faisant ressortir l'intensité des détails: les stries et les nœuds du bois, le tissus, la pierre, les rides de la peau... Les lignes. Celles d’un bâtiment, d’une rue pavée, un marquage au sol ou bien les lumières de la rue. Diriger l'attention dessus, c’est faire ressortir un détail que l’on ne voit pas avec les couleurs. Les formes géométriques. Symétriques ou non, triangulaires, carrées ou rondes, dessinées par l’homme ou naturelles les formes attireront l’œil et se démarqueront bien plus qu'en couleur. Les contrastes. Ils sont vos amis ! Une lumière forte avec des zones d’ombre va créer une image avec des tonalités, c’est ce contraste qui est l'élément essentiel pour réussir une photographie en noir et blanc par exemple un ciel chargé de gros nuages percés par des rayons de soleil.
Vous pourrez participer jusqu’au samedi 22 août à 23h59, heure de Paris. Chaque participant est autorisé à poster jusqu’à trois photos, numérotées de 1 à 3, en précisant le lieu de prise de vue.
Le vote aura lieu du dimanche 23 à 0h01 au dimanche 30 août à 23h59. Il est accessible à tous, participants ou non, dans la limite d’un vote, et se fera par l’attribution d’un total de six points répartis sur 3 ou 4 photos : Photo n°1 : 3 points Photo n°2 : 2 points Photo n°3 : 1 point
La photo gagnante sera celle qui aura remporté le plus de points. En cas d’égalité pour la première position, les photos seront départagées par le nombre de votes à 3 points, puis, si l'égalité persiste, par le nombre de votes à 2 points, etc.
Le ou la gagnant(e) aura le privilège d’organiser le concours de septembre.
Ce fil est réservé aux photos participantes et aux votes. La discussion liée aux à-cotés se passe par là: https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=10330486;a=10330486
Le lien pour le diaporama: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPLqy2E
Les précédents concours: herikles.free.fr/.VF/VFconcours.html






Ébauche d'un roadtrip de 15 jours à la dernière minute en Dalmatie (Croatie)
Hello,
Supposant que mon vol pour le sud de la Pologne va etre annulé, je me donne 2 jours pour préparer mon back-up avec reservation d'hebergements (necessaire car deux enfants pas tres grands): la croatie. Et j'en viens a votre aide car pour une fois je n'aurais pas tout le temps de bien fignoler comme j'aime :(
En gros est ce que ce circuit parait coherant (les details suivront pour les autres):
- 3 nuits a Solin (Split, colline Marjan, trip d'un jour vers les Kornaki?, 2-3 villages a coté) - 2 nuits vers Lozovac (Krka, forteresses et environs) - 2 nuits a Vis (plage, nature, grotte bleue) -> avec ou sans la voiture ? - 3 nuits a Omis (balades, zipline, biokovo, peut etre rafting) - 3 nuits Dubrovnik (ou plutot 2 + 1 a Mjet?) (Dubrovnik, les environs, Mljet) - 1 nuit a Split
On aime pas trop le monde, on aime les beaux paysages, la nature, un peu de sport. Je peux étendre le sejour a +2 jours: ca vaudrait le coup de rajouter du style 2 nuits quelque part ? style zadar pour faire une excursion d'un jours vers Dugi otok ou /et les Kornati ?
merci beaucoup d'avance :)
Supposant que mon vol pour le sud de la Pologne va etre annulé, je me donne 2 jours pour préparer mon back-up avec reservation d'hebergements (necessaire car deux enfants pas tres grands): la croatie. Et j'en viens a votre aide car pour une fois je n'aurais pas tout le temps de bien fignoler comme j'aime :(
En gros est ce que ce circuit parait coherant (les details suivront pour les autres):
- 3 nuits a Solin (Split, colline Marjan, trip d'un jour vers les Kornaki?, 2-3 villages a coté) - 2 nuits vers Lozovac (Krka, forteresses et environs) - 2 nuits a Vis (plage, nature, grotte bleue) -> avec ou sans la voiture ? - 3 nuits a Omis (balades, zipline, biokovo, peut etre rafting) - 3 nuits Dubrovnik (ou plutot 2 + 1 a Mjet?) (Dubrovnik, les environs, Mljet) - 1 nuit a Split
On aime pas trop le monde, on aime les beaux paysages, la nature, un peu de sport. Je peux étendre le sejour a +2 jours: ca vaudrait le coup de rajouter du style 2 nuits quelque part ? style zadar pour faire une excursion d'un jours vers Dugi otok ou /et les Kornati ?
merci beaucoup d'avance :)
Découvrir la Pologne, oui, sans hésitation
A force d'entendre toutes sortes de choses bizarres à propos de la Pologne, j'ai eu envie d'écrire un petit mot.
Je ne comprends pas pourquoi la Pologne a une image toute noire et arriérée dans la tête de beaucoup de Français. Je ne comprends pas pourquoi certain·e·s font plus de 2 500 km pour aller seulement à Auschwitz. Je ne comprends pas pourquoi on valorise celui-celle qui part en Espagne et on s'interroge sur la santé mentale de celui-celle qui va passer un moment de vacances en Pologne.
Bon, d'accord, la situation politique n'est pas idéale mais il faut aller s'asseoir sur un banc public qui diffuse du Chopin à Varsovie, se plonger dans la vie de Copernic à Torun... et, surtout, surtout, rencontrer les Polonais d'aujourd'hui. Aspects pratiques : le coût de la vie quotidienne est très avantageux pour les Français ;) et oui, oui, la frontière est ouverte, sans contraintes particulières https://reopen.europa.eu/fr/map/POL
Je ne cherche pas à faire la promotion du tourisme en Pologne, mais après y être retourné l'année dernière, je tente de modifier un peu des représentations qui me paraissent datées et injustes. Je ne veux pas allonger trop ce premier message. D'autres personnes viendront peut-être le compléter...
Je ne comprends pas pourquoi la Pologne a une image toute noire et arriérée dans la tête de beaucoup de Français. Je ne comprends pas pourquoi certain·e·s font plus de 2 500 km pour aller seulement à Auschwitz. Je ne comprends pas pourquoi on valorise celui-celle qui part en Espagne et on s'interroge sur la santé mentale de celui-celle qui va passer un moment de vacances en Pologne.
Bon, d'accord, la situation politique n'est pas idéale mais il faut aller s'asseoir sur un banc public qui diffuse du Chopin à Varsovie, se plonger dans la vie de Copernic à Torun... et, surtout, surtout, rencontrer les Polonais d'aujourd'hui. Aspects pratiques : le coût de la vie quotidienne est très avantageux pour les Français ;) et oui, oui, la frontière est ouverte, sans contraintes particulières https://reopen.europa.eu/fr/map/POL
Je ne cherche pas à faire la promotion du tourisme en Pologne, mais après y être retourné l'année dernière, je tente de modifier un peu des représentations qui me paraissent datées et injustes. Je ne veux pas allonger trop ce premier message. D'autres personnes viendront peut-être le compléter...
Découvrir la Croatie et le Monténégro
Cette année, nous allons, tout d'abord à Senerchia (Italie), et ensuite découvrir, la Croatie, par ferry, passant vers Zadar, puis Dubrovnik, et Kotor. La première question est de savoir s'il est plus intéressant de traversée l'Adriatique, en ferry, que de passer par l'Istrie, avec notre voiture ??? Après direction, Zadar, ensuite Dubrovnik, et le Monténégro pour Kotor. Merci pour vos réponses.
Voyage de 25 jours dans le continent et les îles grecques
Bonjour,
Ma femme et moi (60 et 66 ans ) programmons un itineraire en grece pour le mois de septembre 2020 , si non au mois de mai 2021.
On prendra. le temps qu'il faut pour apprécier les lieux à visiter.
En louant une voiture à l'aéroport de Thessalonique(arrivée matinale) , nous voudrions d'sbord aller à Kastoria en visitant en cours de route vergina et peut être Edessa avec une nuité à nymfaio , si ça vaut le coup d'y passer la nuit (1 nuit).
Durant un séjour à kastoria (3 nuits) , nous prévoyons de visiter les lacs de prespa à la journée .Certains préconisent d'y passer la nuit (1 nuit).
Aprés kastoria , on vistera ioannina (2 nuits ) et ( 3 nuits )au pays de zagoria . Ensuite 2 nuits à Parga et sur le chemin de retour pour les Météores , nous avons prévu de visiter Sivota et passer la nuit à Metsovo (1 nuit). Puis les Météores (2 nuits ).
Retour à Thessaloniki pour rendre la voiture et y passer( 2 nuits) . Total (15 nuitées).
Après il y 'a 4 options:
Premiere option: -Bus de Thessaloniki à Volos puis le ferry pour skopelos (5 nuits) Alonissos (1 nuit) et skiathos ( 3 nuits). Retour at home de Skhiathos via Athens airport.
Deuxieme option:
-Envol de Thessalonique à l'aéroport d'Ahenes , location de voiture pour un séjour au peloponnese de 10 jours( 1 nuit à Paralia Epidavros pour visiter le theatre,1 nuit à l'ile de poros ,1 nuit à Nauplie que jnous avions visitée avant ou bien rester les 3 nuits à Nauplie comme base.
Ensuite route vers Pylos (3 nuits ) , Koroni (2 nuits ), visite de l'ancienne Messina et 1 nuit à Kalamata avant le retour à Athenes.
Troisieme option:
Envol de Thessalonique à Lesbos pour y passer 10 jours
Quatrieme option:Envol a Athenes aeroport , ferry pour Syros (3 nuits, Amorgos (4 nuits et Astypalea 3 ( nuits). Puis vol de retour d'Astypaléa
Nous aimons la nature , visiter de beaux villages et de charmants ports animés le soir ( s'attabler sur des terrasses de cafés, restaurants ) , faire des promenades romantiques en bord des lacs , de la mer et des rivières, visiter des sites archeologiques et historiques et faire quelques baignades ..) .Donc la premiere préoccupation n'est pas la farniente.Nous aimons bouger et explorer de nouveaux lieux en prenant du temps pour les visites et profiter des belles plages pour y passer une ou deux heures pour nous refraichir et passer l'aprés midi après la sieste grecque dans de charmants bars ou cafés en bord de mer ou de lacs où on entend de la musique grecque ou du jazz en assistant à de superbes couchers de soleil si le lieu le permet. Merci d'avance
Ma femme et moi (60 et 66 ans ) programmons un itineraire en grece pour le mois de septembre 2020 , si non au mois de mai 2021.
On prendra. le temps qu'il faut pour apprécier les lieux à visiter.
En louant une voiture à l'aéroport de Thessalonique(arrivée matinale) , nous voudrions d'sbord aller à Kastoria en visitant en cours de route vergina et peut être Edessa avec une nuité à nymfaio , si ça vaut le coup d'y passer la nuit (1 nuit).
Durant un séjour à kastoria (3 nuits) , nous prévoyons de visiter les lacs de prespa à la journée .Certains préconisent d'y passer la nuit (1 nuit).
Aprés kastoria , on vistera ioannina (2 nuits ) et ( 3 nuits )au pays de zagoria . Ensuite 2 nuits à Parga et sur le chemin de retour pour les Météores , nous avons prévu de visiter Sivota et passer la nuit à Metsovo (1 nuit). Puis les Météores (2 nuits ).
Retour à Thessaloniki pour rendre la voiture et y passer( 2 nuits) . Total (15 nuitées).
Après il y 'a 4 options:
Premiere option: -Bus de Thessaloniki à Volos puis le ferry pour skopelos (5 nuits) Alonissos (1 nuit) et skiathos ( 3 nuits). Retour at home de Skhiathos via Athens airport.
Deuxieme option:
-Envol de Thessalonique à l'aéroport d'Ahenes , location de voiture pour un séjour au peloponnese de 10 jours( 1 nuit à Paralia Epidavros pour visiter le theatre,1 nuit à l'ile de poros ,1 nuit à Nauplie que jnous avions visitée avant ou bien rester les 3 nuits à Nauplie comme base.
Ensuite route vers Pylos (3 nuits ) , Koroni (2 nuits ), visite de l'ancienne Messina et 1 nuit à Kalamata avant le retour à Athenes.
Troisieme option:
Envol de Thessalonique à Lesbos pour y passer 10 jours
Quatrieme option:Envol a Athenes aeroport , ferry pour Syros (3 nuits, Amorgos (4 nuits et Astypalea 3 ( nuits). Puis vol de retour d'Astypaléa
Nous aimons la nature , visiter de beaux villages et de charmants ports animés le soir ( s'attabler sur des terrasses de cafés, restaurants ) , faire des promenades romantiques en bord des lacs , de la mer et des rivières, visiter des sites archeologiques et historiques et faire quelques baignades ..) .Donc la premiere préoccupation n'est pas la farniente.Nous aimons bouger et explorer de nouveaux lieux en prenant du temps pour les visites et profiter des belles plages pour y passer une ou deux heures pour nous refraichir et passer l'aprés midi après la sieste grecque dans de charmants bars ou cafés en bord de mer ou de lacs où on entend de la musique grecque ou du jazz en assistant à de superbes couchers de soleil si le lieu le permet. Merci d'avance
La "non-honnêteté" des Vietnamiens
Est-ce quelqu'un peut me dire pourquoi ils manque de franchise à ce point ?
J'ai fait 2 voyages, j'y ai passé plusieurs mois, j'en ai jamais rencontré un seul d'honnête, j'en viens à me demander si ils connaissent ce terme.
Souvent c'est bête. Dernier exemple en date. Je demande à une copine ou plutôt pas en tout cas je ne doit pas être son ami malgré que sa mère me dise qu'elle aime m'avoir en ami si un n° est son Zalo. C'est pas dur de me dire oui ou non ou oui mais je ne m'en sert plus (vrai ou pas) et bien non elle a lu mais pas répondu, sa mère pareil.Elles utilisent les mêmes compte, c'est compliqué de savoir à qui je parle. Elle veux pas m'ajouter sur Zalo mais en même temps elle ne veux pas me mentir donc elle ne réponds pas.
J'ai pris cette exemple car c'est le plus récent mais en gros c'est ça : ne pas répondre, ne pas être honnête pour ne pas blesser. Ça part peut-être d'un bon sentiment mais c'est flagrant qu'ils ne sont pas honnête, ça me blesse encore plus.
J'ai fait 2 voyages, j'y ai passé plusieurs mois, j'en ai jamais rencontré un seul d'honnête, j'en viens à me demander si ils connaissent ce terme.
Souvent c'est bête. Dernier exemple en date. Je demande à une copine ou plutôt pas en tout cas je ne doit pas être son ami malgré que sa mère me dise qu'elle aime m'avoir en ami si un n° est son Zalo. C'est pas dur de me dire oui ou non ou oui mais je ne m'en sert plus (vrai ou pas) et bien non elle a lu mais pas répondu, sa mère pareil.Elles utilisent les mêmes compte, c'est compliqué de savoir à qui je parle. Elle veux pas m'ajouter sur Zalo mais en même temps elle ne veux pas me mentir donc elle ne réponds pas.
J'ai pris cette exemple car c'est le plus récent mais en gros c'est ça : ne pas répondre, ne pas être honnête pour ne pas blesser. Ça part peut-être d'un bon sentiment mais c'est flagrant qu'ils ne sont pas honnête, ça me blesse encore plus.
Villages où loger dans les Cyclades en août
Bonjour à tous,
Mon voyage initial (Madagascar) étant tombé à l'eau j'étudie un plan B.
Je me suis dis "où est-ce que je rêve d'aller mais en y renonçant parce que trop touristique et qui ne soit pas trop loin ???" et là tout de suite Santorin m'est venu à l'esprit, ainsi que les Cyclades.😎 En effet, pas de croisière et une Europe qui se rouvre doucement devrait être une opportunité d'aller dans ces îles magiques sans croiser trop de monde.
Du coup j'ai élaboré rapidement un programme qui va du 23 juillet au 3 août. Arrivée et départ depuis Santorin (puisqu'il y a un vol direct Zurich - Santorin).
Cela pourrait ressembler à ça: J1 arrivée à Santorin J2 Santorin -> Sifnos J3 à 6 (soit 4 jours pleins) Sifnos J7 Sifnos - Amorgos. J8 et 9 Amorgos J10 Amorgos -> Santorin J11 à 13 Santorin (soit 3 jours, le départ du vol retour étant J13 à 20h45).
Je trouve qu'il manque 1 jour à Amorgos, mais je ne peux plus en rajouter, donc soit j'en enlève 1 à Sifnos, soit 1 à Santorin ??? Qu'en pensez-vous ?
Dans quel village me conseillez-vous de loger sur chacune d'elles ? Pour Amorgos je pensais Aegiali parce que c'est là qu'il y a le club de plongée sous-marine. Pour le reste je n'ai pas encore étudier.
Par avance merci 🙂
Mon voyage initial (Madagascar) étant tombé à l'eau j'étudie un plan B.
Je me suis dis "où est-ce que je rêve d'aller mais en y renonçant parce que trop touristique et qui ne soit pas trop loin ???" et là tout de suite Santorin m'est venu à l'esprit, ainsi que les Cyclades.😎 En effet, pas de croisière et une Europe qui se rouvre doucement devrait être une opportunité d'aller dans ces îles magiques sans croiser trop de monde.
Du coup j'ai élaboré rapidement un programme qui va du 23 juillet au 3 août. Arrivée et départ depuis Santorin (puisqu'il y a un vol direct Zurich - Santorin).
Cela pourrait ressembler à ça: J1 arrivée à Santorin J2 Santorin -> Sifnos J3 à 6 (soit 4 jours pleins) Sifnos J7 Sifnos - Amorgos. J8 et 9 Amorgos J10 Amorgos -> Santorin J11 à 13 Santorin (soit 3 jours, le départ du vol retour étant J13 à 20h45).
Je trouve qu'il manque 1 jour à Amorgos, mais je ne peux plus en rajouter, donc soit j'en enlève 1 à Sifnos, soit 1 à Santorin ??? Qu'en pensez-vous ?
Dans quel village me conseillez-vous de loger sur chacune d'elles ? Pour Amorgos je pensais Aegiali parce que c'est là qu'il y a le club de plongée sous-marine. Pour le reste je n'ai pas encore étudier.
Par avance merci 🙂











