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coucou c'est encore moi,

pour mon voyage que dure 31 jours à 5 en août, j'ai prévu 2 temps :

1- sf jusqu'à salt lake city 20 jours en voiture +motels (à peu près bouclé)

2-salt lake, teton, yellostone, cody, salt lake city (pêle mêle pour l'instant) en camping -car soit 10 dodos (c'est surtout pour faire plaisir aux enfants et qu'ils puissent un peu se poser)

c'est sur cette partie que j'ai besoin de conseils, j'ai peur que cela fasse un peu trop de jours, quand pensez vous? que faire où dormir, qu'est ce qui plairaît aux enfants (15+10+8 ans) dois je changer la structure de mes deux grandes étapes ?

merci beaucoup, c'est promis l'année prochaine c'est moi qui répondrais aux néophytes

appoline

Bonjour tout le monde !

En avril-mai 2005, nous envisageons une visite de Canyonland (que nous avions zappé lors de notre premier voyage aux US)

Je commence à me documenter, mais j'aimerais plutôt avoir des avis de voyageurs ayant cette expérience. Quelle section : Island in the sky ou the Needles ? Pourquoi ? Comment : 4/4 + pieds ? Combien cela vous a t-il coûté ? En fait ce sont surtout les détails qui m'intéressent.

Enfin, tous les tuyaux seront les bienvenus. Merci d'avance

Tatie

Bonjours! Je suis un nouveau membre du forum je me suis inscris car j'ai lu des réponses et trouvé de belle suggestions sur le voyage que je suis entrain de planifier.

Nous prévoyons voyagé en famille Moi et mon épouse avons deux filles une de 3 ans et l'autre de 11 mois nous pensons voyagé en motorisé durée du voyage environs 20 jours en mai 2005. Il y a deux ans nous avons fait le même type de voyage dans l'ouest Canadian et nous avons adoré la formule.

Je me demande quel sont les meilleurs site à voir autour du grand canyon

Nous aimons beaucoup faire de la marche dans la nature avec les filles avons chariot adapté au rendonné pour les filles donc pas de problème pour les visites en nature.

Zion NP, Bryce NP, Capitol reef NP, monument valley, Page, Grand Canyon etc nous prévoyons faire le tour Départ de Las Végas et retour Las Végas 20 jours plus tard. Nous aurions aimé faire la Califourni San Francisco, Yosemite, Séquoia, Death Valley mais avec les enfants je pense que c'est trop de route.

Questions ?????

Quel sont les meilleurs site ou National Park (NP) a voir

Quel sorte de route dans les NP avec un motorisé classe A 32 pieds est ce que se sera OK

Est ce OK pour des enfants de bas âges

Y a t il beaucoup de camping pour les RV.

Merci!

Nous envisageons d'aller dans les parcs de l'Ouest avec 3 enfants (6, 11 et 13 ans). Durée envisagée: 2 semaines, début ou mi juillet.

Quelqu'un a-t-il une expérience sur ce sujet:

la température est-elle acceptable?

Y a-t-il beaucoup de monde (et quoi/quand éviter?)

Avez vous des idées de circuit, compte tenu du temps dont nous disposons? Ou vaut-il mieux consacrer ce temps?

Que vaut-il mieux choisir: voiture+motel, ou camping-car ?

Merci d'avance pour vos avis éclairés !

Bonjour à tous...j'ai besoin d'aide pour préparer un voyage que nous allons faire pendant l'été 2005 dans l'ouest américain. Selon vos expériences, quelle durée nous conseillez vous pour visiter Capitol Reef, Arches et Canyonlands? Est-ce qu'il y a des choses intéressantes à faire entre Capitol Reef et Yellowstone? Combien de temps minimum à Yellowstone? Bref, toutes vos idées et expériences de cette partie des Etats-Unis (Cody, Devil's Tower, Custer, Fort Laramie, Estes Park...) sont les bienvenues ! 😉

salut

mon prochain grand voyage devrait être la traversée Est/Ouest des USA en partant de NY jusqu'à LA. Je compte louer une voiture sur place.

L'idéal pour moi serait de passer par Chicago puis de filer dans le nord ouest, faire les parcs, puis descendre jusqu'à LA.

Y a t'il des personnes qui l'ont deja fait. Pouvez vous me donner qq infos sur l'itinéraire conseillé ? Est ce qu'en 3 semaines c'est suffisant ?

Merci pour vos infos.

wbc

nous voulons partir en aout dans utah et dans le wayoming . on veux visiter yellostone puis ensuite descendre sur les canyons. on debarque a salt lake city. auriez vous des adresses de bed & breakfast a nous proposer? combien de temps faut il reserver a l'avance les campings dans les parcs nationaux? qu'est ce que c'est le pass pour entre dans les parcs est ce vraiment interressant? merci d'avance pour toutes vos reponses

Good evening everyone! 🙂

We’re back from our September 2025 road trip, this time to explore Arizona and New Mexico, and it’s time for me to start my travel journal—especially since everything’s already booked for another trip in September 2026 (to California), and I need to get started on the planning.

I was a little worried this new visit to Uncle Sam’s country might not be as "wow" as the others, but we still discovered some incredible places.

For those who don’t know us, we’re a couple in our seventies who speak very little English, but that didn’t stop us from fully enjoying our stay.

For this 6th road trip in the U.S., we spent 21 nights there, drove 4,160 km by car, and walked nearly 160 km in a loop starting from Phoenix.

We’d been to Arizona before (but not this side) and never to New Mexico. This whole road trip was a huge discovery for us.

In the prices mentioned (some in euros, others in dollars), bank fees and exchange charges are included. The flights, car rental, and parking were all paid for in December 2024 when we booked.

We’d downloaded the MPC (Mobile Passport Control) app, but there wasn’t a dedicated line at Phoenix Airport. Still, we got through quickly with friendly, smiling agents.

I don’t drive at all (I hate it), so the stops were chosen based on activities but also, for some, to limit daily mileage for the sole driver. The kilometers listed in the itinerary are the daily distances.

We traveled from September 9th to 22nd, unfortunately once again without our dear friends Mimi and Maumau.

The itinerary



Day 1: Flight Marseille-Paris-Phoenix, then Gold Canyon (133 km) Day 2: Tucson (271 km) Lost Dutchman State Park Day 3: Tucson (155 km) Day 4: Tucson (34 km) Day 5: Bisbee (182 km) Day 6: Lordsburg (345 km) Day 7: Las Cruces (253 km) Day 8: Alamogordo (162 km) Day 9: Roswell (264 km) Day 10: Tucumcari (369 km) Day 11: Las Vegas (281 km) – the one in New Mexico Day 12: Taos (213 km) Day 13: Santa Fe (224 km) Day 14: Albuquerque (123 km) Day 15: Gallup (246 km) Day 16: Holbrook (224 km) Day 17: Flagstaff (179 km) Day 18: Sedona (118 km) Day 19: Sedona (48 km) Day 20: Sedona (41 km) Day 21: Phoenix (256 km) Day 22: Phoenix Airport (35 km)

📊 **Budget**: A little over 7,500 € for both of us, all included. The exchange rate was in our favor (1.17 dollars to 1 €). 📊 **Flights**: Marseille-Paris Charles de Gaulle-Phoenix: 1,787 € for two, with one checked bag each (Air France) 📊 **ESTA**: $42 📊 **America the Beautiful Pass**: $80 📊 **Parking**: 134 € (super eco at Marseille) 📊 **Car rental (Hertz)**: 865 €. Since there were no SUVs left in the reserved category (Nissan Rogue), we got an upgrade (4x4 Ford Explorer). We booked through Air France (15% discount). We’d originally reserved it in December for 1,140 €, but since prices dropped in March, we canceled and rebooked for 865 €. Hertz offers a free Hertz Gold Plus Rewards program, which gives you priority counter service when picking up the car. 📊 **Accommodation**: 2,400 € We stayed in hotels and motels of varying standards (from 60 to 203 € per night, depending on the city), all booked through Booking.com or Hotels.com. Out of 21 nights, only two didn’t include breakfast in the price. Booking.com sometimes offers slightly cheaper rates if you book by phone using the mobile app, and our Genius 3 status on the site also got us some preferential rates. 📊 **Supplementary insurance**: AVA 200 € for medical care if needed 📊 **Cash**: $2,078. We left with 1,000 € exchanged before departure and made two withdrawals of $500. This cash covered: - Evening restaurants and tips - Midday picnics - Gas: $298 for 4,160 km - Museum and private park entries (per person): - Lost Dutchman: $10 - Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum: $28 - Bird Cage Theater: $16 - Tombstone Shootout: $8 - New Mexico Farm & Ranch Museum: $12 - Roswell International UFO Museum: $5 - Billy the Kid Museum: $7 - Rancho de Taos: $22 - West Fork Oak Creek Trail entry: $15 We got a few discounts thanks to our senior age (+65). - Souvenirs and little treats

Like on our previous road trips, we didn’t rent a GPS. We got around using offline GPS apps Here WeGo and Organic Maps, with maps of the states we visited downloaded before we left (on our phones).

❤️❤️❤️ **Highlights** (there are so many!) 📍 Goldfield Ghost Town (even if it’s a reconstruction) 📍 The standing army of Saguaro cacti at Saguaro National Park West 📍 Diving into the cowboy universe of Tombstone 📍 The welcome from Rick and Henry at our guesthouse in Bisbee (Garden at Mile High Ranch) 📍 The tangled rocks of Chiricahua National Monument 📍 The flavored pistachios from Dwayne’s Fresh Jerky and Mac Ginnis Pistachioland 📍 Restaurants: La Posta (Las Cruces), Diner 66 (Albuquerque), and the Haunted Hamburger (Jerome) 📍 The old plazas of New Mexico 📍 The solitude and beauty of the white dunes at White Sands National Park 📍 Stepping back in time at the Billy the Kid Museum (Fort Stanton) 📍 Sections of historic Route 66 and the old motels of Tucumcari, especially at night when all the neon lights are on 📍 Taos Pueblo and diving into Native American culture 📍 After the Rio Grande Bridge, the descent via NM 567 to the very bottom of the Rio Grande Gorge, then the road along the riverbanks to Taos 📍 The tranquility of the Chimayo Sanctuary 📍 Discovering the ingenious native dwellings at Bandelier National Monument and Walnut Canyon National Park 📍 The small towns along the Turquoise Trail 📍 The red rocks of Red Rock Park and the Painted Desert 📍 The extraordinary colors of the petrified trees at Petrified Forest National Park 📍 Sedona, its red rocks, and the reward of the viewpoints at the end of hikes (Devil’s Bridge, The Subway, and West Fork Oak Creek) 📍 The immersion in Mexico when visiting Tlaquepaque 📍 The almost-ghost town of Jerome and its terraced streets 📍 The incredible kindness of Americans, always ready to help and up for a chat ❤️

☹️☹️☹️ **Flops** (there are very few) 📍 Several museums and churches being closed, so we couldn’t visit them 📍 Some museums and visitor centers opening late (10 AM) and closing early (4 PM) 📍 A 64 € phone roaming charge because we got near the Mexican border and picked up their cell tower 📍 The outrageous price ($5.99) for a gallon of gas at the Shell near Phoenix Airport

I hope this helps! Anyway, thanks for reading my long post. Don’t hesitate to reach out, even via PM, if you see I haven’t replied and you’d like more details. Have a great evening, everyone! 🙂

Ah, Iceland and us—it’s quite the story, or rather, a long wait... The first time we considered going was already 7-8 years ago, after reading travel journals describing breathtaking landscapes, countless active and dormant volcanoes, glaciers, and waterfalls with extraordinary flows. In short, this island, made of fire and ice, right at Europe’s doorstep with its own unique culture, had nothing but advantages, and it was urgent to visit without delay 😇

My *Routard* guidebook is actually from 2016. So why did Iceland make us wait so long before we finally gave in to its charms? Yes, why indeed?

Simply because reading other travel journals revealed the cost of living there—and especially the harsh climate, even in the middle of July 🤪! Some journals described entire weeks of rain and foggy weather, making it tricky to explore the island. The budget wasn’t spared either, because in the most touristy areas, especially in the south and around Myvatn, accommodation prices are downright indecent—even outright robbery. 😕

Plus, in the Highlands, there’s literally no permanent lodging, and the only way to spend several nights there is to camp. And camping in winter conditions wasn’t exactly part of our plans... 😄

So, year after year, this trip kept getting postponed...

until August 2023, when prices for Southern Africa, North or South America, or even Asia were all way too high for summer 2024!

That’s when I turned my attention back to the Land of Fire and Ice and scoured all the comparison sites for the best accommodation deals across the country. Planning for 20 nights, I found 13 nights in "proper" lodging for 5 people at an average cost of under 200 €! A miracle, considering that in the southern glacier region, around Vik or Myvatn, prices range from 300 to 1000 € per night 😮 😮!

Still, that means we’ll have to camp for 7 nights, mostly in the Highlands, near Askja or Landmannalaugar. 😎

For once, I built the daily itinerary entirely around the decently priced lodgings I found 11 months in advance! The shortage of places to stay in some areas forced me to plan a few long transition days and make some tough choices. No big deal, though—there’s so much to do on this island 🙂!

Once the main itinerary was set, everyone agreed to the plan: 2/3 in proper lodging and 1/3 camping, even the most camping-averse among us! *Follow my gaze...*

By the time we bought the flight tickets, I had to tweak the itinerary a bit because one or two places were already booked! Plus, it was impossible to wait for a more refined plan to adjust reservations, since almost all bookings are non-refundable!! The harsh law of supply and demand...

For the car rental, we booked a Hyundai Tucson, approved for the Highlands, from Lava Car Rental—a company I’d read good reviews about in a Facebook group—for a cool 2500 € with full insurance. A real 4x4, like a Defender, would’ve been more than double...! Welcome to Iceland 😕...

Activities and excursions also required some tough choices. We had two must-dos: whale watching in Húsavík (60 € pp on Getyourguide) and a Glacier and Summer Treasure Glacier Walk with BlueIceland (165 € pp with discount codes on Getyourguide).

For the baths, we skipped the Blue Lagoon—too expensive—in favor of the Secret Lagoon and the Myvatn Baths, the Blue Lagoon’s equivalent but half the price.

Two baths for the price of one... and even more, since I spotted several free hot-water swimming spots.

Itinerary: Day 1: Arrival in Reykjavik - Hraunfossar Waterfall - Surtshellir Cave Day 2: Grábrók Crater - Snæfellsnes Peninsula Day 3: Stykkishólmur - Sturlungalaug Hot Springs Day 4: Northwest Coast - Akureyri - Goðafoss Day 5: Myvatn Day 6: Myvatn - Dettifoss - Selfoss - Rauðhólar Day 7: Húsavík Whale Watching - Dettifoss - Selfoss Day 8: Stuðlagil Canyon - Seyðisfjörður Day 9: Puffin colony - Störurð Hike Day 10: Hengifoss - East Fjords, Mjóifjörður Day 11: Viking Village - Jökulsárlón - Fjallsárlón Day 12: Glacier Excursion - Svartifoss Day 13: Fjaðrárgljúfur Canyon - Vík Day 14: Þakgil - Lava Show Vík Day 15: Southern Waterfalls Day Day 16: Landmannalaugar - Skalli Hike Day 17: Landmannalaugar - Bláhnjúkur - Brennisteinsalda Day 18: Secret Lagoon, Kerlingarfjöll, and Gullfoss Day 19: Geysir - Reykjavik Day 20: Bruarfoss - Þingvellir - Kerid Crater - Krýsuvík Geothermal Area Day 21: Reykjanes Peninsula

Friday, July 5, 2024, is our last workday before driving up to Alsace overnight to leave the cockers at Grandpa’s for boarding. Then, at 1:30 AM, we’ll head to Frankfurt, where a direct flight to Iceland awaits.

We arrive at 4 AM. Since we leave at 7 AM, the "night" will only last the equivalent of a 30-minute nap 🤪... just enough to get us in the road-trip mood 😏!!

During our first road trip across the United States, we covered 23,000 km and crossed 28 states in 53 days.

Originally, we had planned to drive Route 66 all the way to Oatman in Arizona and visit various national parks in the American West over a two-month period.

This itinerary was planned before our departure, and all the relevant information had been gathered to stick to the schedule.

Everything went so smoothly that we finished visiting the national parks well ahead of our planned return date.

It helped that having a bed, a portable toilet, and a cooler in our vehicle gave us some autonomy since we didn’t have to worry about accommodation.

So, we decided to extend our road trip to the cities of Nashville and Memphis in Tennessee.

We then headed to Louisiana to visit Baton Rouge and New Orleans.

We crossed Mississippi and Alabama before driving along Florida’s west coast all the way to Key West.

We returned via Florida’s east coast and then crossed the eastern U.S. states to get back to Quebec through the Jackman border crossing in Maine.

So, I invite you to keep reading this long recap, which will let you discover the different attractions we visited throughout this amazing journey.

Videos are included throughout the recap. Click on the image to start the video.

To jump to a specific post, here are the relevant links:

Route 66 - Illinois & Missouri Route 66 - St. Louis (Missouri) - Gateway Arch National Park Route 66 - Cuba (Missouri) - City Murals Route 66 - Springfield (Missouri) - Fantastic Caverns Route 66 - Kansas & Oklahoma Route 66 - Texas & Arizona Route 66 - Texas - The Stations of the Cross in Groom Route 66 - Texas - Panhandle - VW Slug Bug Ranch Texas - Palo Duro Canyon State Park - Juniper Trails Texas - Palo Duro Canyon State Park - The Lighthouse Trail Route 66 - Texas - Amarillo - Cadillac Ranch Route 66 - New Mexico - Santa Rosa Blue Hole New Mexico - Bandelier National Monument - Alcove House Trail via Main Loop Trail New Mexico - Bandelier National Monument - Tsankawi Ruins Trail New Mexico - White Rock Overlook Route 66 - New Mexico - Albuquerque - Old Town New Mexico - White Sands National Park New Mexico - White Sands National Park - Dune Life Nature Trail New Mexico - White Sands National Park - Playa Trail New Mexico - White Sands National Park - Interdune Boardwalk New Mexico - 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Hi everyone,

I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast. I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October. My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.

Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips. I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.

Thanks to everyone for your advice and help.

Every day, I look back at my 2022 trip to Wyoming. And every day, I tell myself I need to start getting ready to go back. Don’t agree? 😎

This travel journal is the second part of the trip whose first part you can find here: 1st part...

Sunday, August 7: the day we discover a magical place... Edmaier's Secret...

We got up at 8:00 AM, had breakfast on the terrace of our tiny house, and then set off again toward yesterday’s trail. This time, we stopped after 4.5 miles on House Rock Valley Road at the Buckskin Gulch Trail parking lot. We weren’t interested in that trail today—the slot canyon is muddy anyway after the recent storms...

Instead, we explored a lesser-known area that became our playground. And what a playground it was, folks—an out-of-this-world spot, THE highlight of our trip!!! 😏

Just imagine being in the middle of these landscapes, and the cherry on top... no one else around!!!!! Well, we did meet a couple who were coming back—it was 9:30 AM 😮. Did they camp there? Did they turn back? 🙁

After paying the entry permit online, we set off with plenty of water (6L for the four of us) plus a gallon we hid along the way for the return trip. 😉 After a one-hour approach hike along a wash, we reached the sea of sand.



We had to cross it to reach our goal: a strip about 2 km long and 1 km wide that you can explore freely since there’s no marked trail... We entered a few GPS points into our Garmin Etrex, and off we went!!! 😎 It was... magical, enchanting, a true love-at-first-sight moment!



Brain Rock, waves, fine and brittle rock, colors—it goes up, it goes down.







Just thinking about it gives me chills... I remember sitting still for two minutes, taking in these wonders with such emotion that I teared up...

Hello Everyone!!

Is this American West dream finally going to come true? Illness and the loss of loved ones have forced us to cancel this trip several times over the past few years...

Here’s the rough outline I’m sharing with you—feel free to give constructive feedback!!

From April 20, 2025, to May 5, 2025, that’s 14 days on-site excluding flights.

D20: Flight from Lyon to Phoenix, night in Phoenix L21: Phoenix (visit the zoo, city, Apache Trail? The road is apparently closed??) night in Sedona M22: Sedona, night in Sedona M23: Depart for GC, visit GC, night in GC (no accommodation booked yet, same goes for the following visits) J24: Drive to MV, visit MV, night in Mexican Hat or? V25: End of MV, drive to Page, night in Page S26: Page—Antelope Canyon, Horseshoe Bend, Lake Powell, night in Page D27: Drive to Bryce, visit Bryce, night? L28: End of Bryce, depart for Zion (I’m wondering if it’s worth visiting Zion at the end of April—since the park is at high altitude, is there a risk of snow? Temperatures?) If we skip Zion, could we plan 2 days for Arches before heading to Bryce? Night in Springdale if Zion, otherwise drive to Valley of Fire, night? M29: Valley of Fire, then drive to LV, night in LV M30: Morning in LV, then drive to Death Valley, night in Furnace Creek? J1: Visit Death Valley, return to LV, night in LV And then we have 3 days left... where should we add them? More time in Arches and Zion? An extra day in Sedona? In Page? We’re not big hikers, so we won’t spend more than a day in each park.

Just to clarify: passports and ESTA are all set!!

Thanks for your advice! Best regards, Christophe

Aaah, I'm so glad Voyage Forum is back up and running. For reading... and for writing...

My last travel journal was from 2019, when I went hiking and backpacking with my son, who was 15 at the time. We visited some places that were still pretty unknown back then! I was supposed to go in April 2020, still solo, with arches as the main focus. I’d spent nearly two months getting physically prepared, and had managed to snag a bunch of permits for CBS, The Needles, and so on... Of course, it all got postponed—first to October 2020, then April 2021, then October 2021, and finally it happened in April 2022. Maybe I’ll write about that in another journal. The thing is, every time, I spend at least 6 to 8 weeks getting physically ready, even though I work out all year. Huge disappointment during that trip—so much had changed because of Covid, kind of like in the mountains back home. Overcrowding, not just in the national parks (we knew about that), but also in a lot of remote, lesser-known spots. Like the French, Americans realized they had a lot of beautiful places in their own country during those travel bans. And they kept exploring... Prices for pretty much everything had already gone up a lot. Gas, restaurants, cars, but especially lodging! Then, after dealing with so much wind in April, I got a little "fed up" with that time of year. It felt like I had strong winds and sandstorms for 3 out of the 3.5 weeks I was there...

So, the next trip was October 2023, to catch the partial eclipse in New Mexico, and of course, a bunch of arches ;). So many arches. Maybe I’ll write about that one too... Then came (among others) April 2024 for the total eclipse, in Texas, but starting from L.A., with my partner Valérie. Since I’d never visited some places I wanted to see further south of my usual loops, it was the perfect opportunity... And here we are at the end of September 2024. Another trip focused on arches—I never get tired of them. Every time I check one off my list, another gets added. Often it’s a photo I’ve seen online or in the NABS (Natural Arches and Bridges Society) magazine, which I’m a member of. I also scour the WAD (World Arches Database) and make a list of arches I want to visit. Fewer and fewer "viewpoints"—I’ve done all the most famous ones, and unless the sky is amazing, the photos all look the same. Since my goal is always photography *and* hiking, I’m always on the lookout. So this time, a packed itinerary—27 days, very busy. In past trips, if I didn’t plan enough and hiked fast, I’d end up with too many "gaps" in my days. This time, I’d rather have too much than too little (like in 2023, actually).

A few stats: - 6,589 km, including +/-1,400 km of off-road trails - 323 km of hiking, 8,829 m of elevation gain - 142 new arches for my collection, including some stunning ones, some less so, and some downright ugly—but all in the WAD. - Two outings with a Navajo guide - Almost no injuries - 8 bivouacs, including 2 backpacking trips - 4 days of backpacking - 22 freeze-dried meals and 15 Subways eaten - 6 thorns in my shoes (long live the tweezers in my backpack) - 3 kg lost (plus the 5 kg lost during prep)

Almost every day, I posted a little update on Facebook for family and friends. So I’ll be copy-pasting those texts here, written "my way" as usual. Some will like it, some won’t—that’s just how it is... 😏

For months, I planned this trip—looking for info, creating GPS tracks on Google Earth, exchanging tips with NABS members and other passionate friends. I snagged permits for The Needles again (4-5 days), for Fiery Furnace, timed entries for Arches National Park (2), and booked just one campsite, a "triple tour" in Monument Valley, and the first night in a motel. This is the first time I haven’t booked 80% of the motels—I was tired of having constraints because of the weather. This time, I want to be able to adjust my plans based on the weather and what I feel like doing more or less of. Camp when the weather’s nice, hotel/motel when it’s crappy.

Here we go...

Day 1

As usual, early morning flights: BRU-AMS, then AMS-SLC. Those who follow me know I’ve been renting a Rubicon from Rugged for years, which "forces" me to land in SLC. Up at 3:30 AM, but I’d been awake since 2:00 AM—the day’s going to be long. Shuttle to the airport. In Brussels, only two check-in counters open. I get there—no cabin baggage weigh-in, while the agent next to me is weighing everyone’s, even kids’ backpacks! A bit of luck, because as usual, if they weighed my backpack *and* my cabin bag, I’d already be over 20 kg. I check two hold bags, since I’ve got a lot of camping/backpacking gear, lots of freeze-dried meals, the backpacking bag, the Bear Canister needed for The Needles, etc. First flight is 30 minutes late, so the second one is already boarding. I’ve got the SSSS mark on my ticket (extra security check), so I head straight to the front when I arrive at the same time as Zone 3, even though I’m Zone 6. I pretend the check will take a while, and it "works"—they didn’t notice! No way I want to board last and risk them making me check my cabin bag. It’s packed with photo gear, laptop, drone, etc.—unthinkable to have to put it in the hold. Always a worry... SLC: baggage claim, customs, and out in 32 minutes. The MPC app makes something that was already quick even faster at this airport. And all the bags are there. That’s always a relief too. Since I drive at least 3 hours straight after landing, losing a hold bag would really mess up the trip and force me to spend the first night closer to SLC. On the way to Rugged. A young French couple from Reims is in the shuttle with me—they discovered Rugged thanks to my post in a Facebook group! Well, the team has changed again, and they lost half the stuff I’d left last October (plastic boxes, pillow, sugar, gas cartridges, folding chair, Crocs, etc.), but at least there are gas cartridges, so I don’t have to go to REI. REI would’ve been at least an hour out of my way. But as far as I know, there are no gas cartridges in Green River. I still get my tent stake hammer back, and a folding chair—different from mine but identical.

20,000 km Rubicon 4Xe, white. I check the tires—they’re in great shape, as requested. I’ll come back to the hybrid later. I didn’t want a hybrid, but that’s all they had this year. Why? Higher fuel consumption, smaller tank, higher cargo floor.

Stop at the Walmart near Provo, whose layout I know like the back of my hand (Walmarts are often similar). Start-of-trip shopping: water, Coke, Gatorade, UHT milk for cereal (not very common in the US), Special K "Almond and Vanilla", cold meds that work well (and don’t exist back home—you never know), two plastic bins, a pillow for the tent, Trail Mix, that’s about it. On the road to Nebo Loop for the fall colors. I’d driven this route last year, in the opposite direction on my way back to SLC, but it was a bit too late. This time, I’m a little early. At the start of the road, the maples are in the sun, so I go up to 2,200 m for the bright yellow aspens, then head back down. Mostly drone shots—no time to go for a walk. After a day like this, 4.5-5 hours of driving is already a lot... Arrived in Green River at 9:00 PM. Organize all the stuff from the bags properly, then sleep.

A few photos from these first few hours.

This adventure began during Covid... Yep, Covid turned a lot of things upside down, but most of all, it kept us cooped up for a few months and stopped us from traveling for a while—even longer for a die-hard fan of the American West like me.

While borders were closed, I started imagining what an ideal itinerary might look like—one that would string together all the Southwest must-sees in just two weeks, during the best time of year: September and October. When the U.S. announced in September 2021 that borders would reopen in the coming weeks, I regained hope and began scouting flight tickets for a departure in September 2022.

But here’s the thing: tackling solo hikes, each one tougher than the last, right in the heart of the Wilderness, could be a risky—even reckless—endeavor for a father of three. After a quick chat with some virtual friends who are just as passionate about the Southwest as I am, with good physical condition and nearly the same list of must-visit spots, Franck and his brother Sullivan were in! 🙂

In November, we snagged flight tickets from Nice to San Francisco for the modest sum of 400 €, and a few days later, I booked a Toyota Tacoma pickup for 840 € !

It’s not cheap for just 15 days, and a pickup isn’t exactly ideal for luggage, but the prices for full-size 4x4s have become totally outrageous! Due to border closures, rental companies had to offload a lot of these big 4x4s, which tourists love. Then, supply and demand did the rest !

Franck and I spent the winter and spring trying to cram the equivalent of three weeks of hikes into two. But even with physical limits, we had to stay reasonable! Three to four months before departure, we entered the lotteries for different must-see spots: The Subway, Coyote Buttes North (home to the famous Wave), and Coyote Buttes South (CBS).

The Wave is the holy grail for any Southwest enthusiast. Since 2015, we’ve tried our luck with the online and on-site lotteries about ten times, but the spots are unfortunately limited: just 20 per day. A glimmer of hope, though—since early 2022, that number has increased to 64 people allowed per day, with 48 spots awarded via the online lottery.

After all three of us tried our luck for The Wave, on June 1st at exactly 5 PM, I got an email that started with, "Congratulations! You were successful in the Coyote Buttes North (The Wave) September 2022 Permit Lottery at Coyote Buttes North (The Wave)...". At 5:01 PM, I called Franck, whose dream it’s been for over 20 years—ever since the first photos were published in a travel magazine! He didn’t believe me when I told him, and I had to forward the email for him to finally accept the unbelievable: we were going to The Wave and all the incredible spots scattered across the protected area of Coyote Buttes North.

I’ve already been to Coyote Buttes South twice, but there are areas I couldn’t explore in the middle of summer because they were too remote. So, I had no trouble letting my buddies convince me to go back for a third time. Plus, given how hard it is to access, we had no trouble securing a permit online as long as we logged in at exactly 8 PM on the dot!

For The Subway, all three of us struck out. No big deal—we won at CBN and CBS!

Among the sites to visit, there are two that I’m particularly attached to because I know my chances of wanting to see them again are slim. The first is Angel Arch, one of the most legendary arches in the Southwest, due to its remoteness from any trace of civilization. To get there, the recommended hike is Upper Salt Creek, and you’re looking at a 50 km round-trip in an area with no water (in September) and populated by bears.

The second site is the Hopi Salt Trail, in Navajo land, which, after a very tough hike, lets you marvel at the turquoise-blue waters of the Little Colorado before it meets the Colorado River. The Hopi Salt Trail is, like The Wave, the holy grail for any Southwest enthusiast, and the windows of opportunity to see the water in that magical color are very short each year. For this, you have to monitor the Little Colorado’s gauges downstream from Cameron: if the level stays at its lowest for 10 consecutive days—meaning no rain—you can hope for turquoise water. The ideal period rarely exceeds 30 days a year, and it’s usually in June that all the stars align.

But unfortunately, one month before departure, while the flow rate at Cameron looked promising, several storms in September dashed our hopes of doing the Hopi Salt Trail, even at the end of the road trip.

We still had two consolation prizes, though:

After a last-minute cancellation, while keeping an eye out for available spots for The Subway, it turned out that three spots opened up exactly on the day we’d planned to go—so we rushed to grab them!! Regarding the 4x4 rental, the prices for full-size models dropped by several hundred dollars, and we ended up finding a Chevrolet Tahoe for less than $1000. A steal and a serious boost in comfort, so we could store all our gear and food without worry!

Here’s the initial plan in a perfect world: D1 The White Domes - Camping D2 Sunrise at The White Domes - The Subway D3 Coyote Buttes North D4 Coyote Buttes South - White Pocket D5 Wahweap Hoodoos - Sidestep Canyon - Colourful Canyon - White Rocks - Sunset at Yellow Rock D6 Broken Bow Arch - Reflection Canyon D7 Coyote Gulch D8 The Volcano (or The Oasis - Zebra Slot Canyon if the weather’s good) - North Caineville Mesa D9 The Needles: Squaw Canyon - Lost Canyon combo - Druid Arch - Chesler Park D10 Upper Salt Creek Day 1 - Camping D11 Upper Salt Creek Day 2 D12 Hopi-Navajo Territory: Ha Ho No Geh Canyon, Coal Mine Canyon, Bends of the Little Colorado D13 Grand Canyon: South Kaibab Trail and Bright Angel Trail D14 Upper East Zion: East Temple Loop, Jughandle Arch, Center of the Universe, and Checkerboard Mesa Summit And several backup options in case of bad weather, including Spencer Trail, West Cove, and Buffington Pockets.

Enough talking—time for action!

Hey there, VoyageForum!!!

I’ve combed through this site up, down, and sideways to plan our two-month road trip across the American Southwest during the summer of 2022, so it only feels right to give back and revive the USA travel journal section—helping others prep, travel, or relive their own memories! 😏

A quick intro to the stars of this trip is coming soon... in an upcoming post!

Table of Contents:

Road trip introduction Day 1 & 2: the days we double-checked all our papers... Day 3 & 3 bis: The day we discovered Denver... Day 4: The day of the race, the carriage, and the little one’s cough... Day 5: the day the road trip truly began... Day 6 & 6 bis: the day of Nature’s first wonders... Day 7: the day the sky fell on our heads... Day 8 & 8 bis: the day we saw ghosts... Day 9: the day we climbed the mountain... Day 10: the day the theme song from "The Last Picture Show" played on loop in my head... Day 11: the day we lived like Native Americans... Day 12: the day we left civilization behind... Day 13 & 13 bis: the day we explored another planet... Day 14 & 14 bis: the day Caro reunited with HER rocks... Day 15 & 15 bis: the day of the fantastic ride... Day 16: the day we cooled off in Lake Powell... Day 17: the day the Colorado River’s meanders were all ours... Day 18: the day we dipped our feet in the Colorado... Day 19: the day the guys discovered true vastness... Day 20 & 20 bis: the day we covered a few acres of Route 66 before sunset... Day 21: the day the credit card said stop... right before the STRIP... Day 22: the day we finally discovered Cirque du Soleil... Day 23: the day we returned to calm... well, almost... Day 24: the day we reached our home base for 6 nights: Saint George Day 25: the day we should’ve explored Yant Flat... Day 26: the day it was 13°C at Cedar Breaks... Day 27: the day we explored The Narrows in Zion NP... Day 28: the day we discovered Snow Canyon... Day 29: the day we hiked to the "SUBWAY"... Day 30: the day we encountered the abyss—from the north this time... Day 31: the day we arrived in a place where dreams begin... Kanab... Day 32: the day we discovered the first treasures along House Rock Valley... 2nd part: the second part of the journey... Day 33: the day we discovered a magical place... Edmaier's Secret... Day 34: the day Cottonwood Road didn’t open up to us... Day 35: the day of the classic Queen’s Garden + Navajo Loop—and another event that became a classic... Day 36: the second day in Bryce... pure bliss!!! Day 37: the day we swam at the foot of Calf Creek Falls... Day 38: the day we took the Burr Trail, even with storms lurking... Day 39: The day of the goblins... Day 40: the day we enjoyed the peaceful Capitol Reef NP... Day 41: the day of the Rim Overlook and another letdown... Day 42: the day we arrived in... Moab... Day 43: the first day in Arches National Park... Day 44: the day of the Fisher Towers... Day 45: the day of Bow Tie & Corona Arches... Day 46: The day of Shafer Trail + Potash Road... Day 47: The second day in Arches NP... Day 48: the day we discovered Colorado NM in a flash... Day 49: the day of Black Canyon... Day 50: the day we passed through Durango before falling for Silverton... Day 51: the day we went through Ouray and ended up in Gunnison... Day 52: the day of Kebler Pass and arriving at the hot springs... Day 53: the day of hot springs II, then the road back to Denver... Day 54: the last day... Day 55: back home and the RECAP...

Bonjour à tous ! Pour faire suite au message fermé ( nos-experiences-demandes-remboursements-suite-annulation-cause-covid-19 ) car trop 'gonflé' : plus de 1200 réponses ! , j'ouvre un nouveau sujet, qui est la suite logique du précédent !

Après les annulations - demandes de remboursements abouties ou non cette année, suite au Covid, j'aimerais que vous nous racontiez la suite de l'histoire :

- Qu'est - il advenu de vos projets de vacances ? - Avez- vous persévéré et obtenu un remboursement ou un report ? - Faites- vous de nouveaux projets ou avez vous déjà pu tenter, avec réussite, un autre voyage ?

Pour démarrer le sujet, voici ce que nous avons prévu : -- les 2 voyages ( USA et Yucatan ) qui étaient prêts seraient reportés à 1 an, peut-être à 2 : c'est de l'optimisme ... -- le voyage de mai, 3 semaines dans les Pouilles : quasi complètement remboursé ; peut-être reporté au printemps : il est fin prêt aussi ! -- cette année, vacances de 6 nuits à la belge : 3 jours à la Côte et 3 jours dans les Ardennes ; un peu court mais une météo plus qu'agréable ; belle bouffée d'air ... J'espère que vous avez mieux à nous raconter !

Bonne journée à tous .

Bonjour,

Je me présente je m'appelle Florence, j'ai 25 ans, et depuis toujours je rêve de partir aux États Unis. Nous allons donc réaliser mon rêve avec mon compagnon, si tout se passe bien, d'ici 2 ans.

Jusqu'ici, je projetais d'utiliser un site spécialisé comme Marco Vasco, pour cela j'avais calculer une moyenne de 5000 € par personne (pour absolument tout, les trajets, location de véhicule, activités, restaurants, et cadeaux). Pour deux nous disposons donc de 10.000 €, pour 17 jours sur la côte Ouest. On m'a dit que cela faisait beaucoup et que nous pouvions nous en sortir pour moins cher si l'on faisait notre propre organisation à nous.

Seulement voilà, je ne suis jamais sortie de la France, mon chéri si mais très peu.

Donc, on se demande comment organiser notre voyage de A à Z.

J'aurai donc de multiples questions et si quelqu'un aurait la gentillesse de m'aider ce serait superbe !

Déjà, j'ai un gros livre le routard sur les Etats Unis, j’attends de finir de le lire pour noter ce que nous souhaitons à tout prix voir ou visiter avant de tracer un itinéraire.

Dans la formule que je devais choisir à la base, nous devions faire Los Angeles, Las Vegas, San Francisco. Entre cela il y avait le Grand Canyon, Death Valley, la route 66, les casinos, etc....Pour vous donner une idée 🙂

Donc voici les questions que je me pose, déjà, que faut t'il réserver en premier (hôtels, avion ?) et combien de temps à l'avance ? Pour la location de la voiture, comment cela fonctionne t'il ? Car je sais que dans notre formule, nous avions une voiture que l'on prenait à Los Angeles, et que l'on rendait à San Francisco. Mais une réservation de nous même, je ne sais pas du tout comment ça se passe 🤪

Le mieux est t'il de louer un camping car ou une voiture et des hôtels à côté ?

Ya t'il des choses importantes à savoir ? Je sais déjà qu'il faut remplir le formulaire ESTA, donner un pourboire à chaque repas, mais j'imagine qu'il y a encore plein d'autres choses à savoir.

Donc tout vos conseils, je prend !

En vous remerciant 🙂

Pour discuter autour du concours de juillet 2020, Verticale(s), ça se passe ici.

Voici le texte de « La Floride de Marie », une blogueuse connue du milieu.

Certains endroits, états ont rendus OBLIGATOIRE le masque dans les lieux publics...aussi bien dire partout ! Ca bouge vite selon elle, ça ne serait pas étonnant qu’il le devienne partout et pour un bon bout de temps. Espérons qu’il en sera pas ainsi avec Aruda au Québec qui panique un brin...

2021 n est pas si lointaine quand on pense réservation....

Cécile ayant adoré le 1er voyage dans l ouest , elle veut redoubler en faisant SF et yellowstone entre autres...

pour ma part, ayant déjà trippé dans la région, je m ajoute quelques coins non visités comme antelope island à SLC, , cathedral gorge, cedar breaks, extraterrestreal road notamment

nous avons le choix entre 2 itinéraires:sans passage à cedar city:

V1



V2 avec passage par cedar city



cette version met 1 jour de plus ce qui devrait être faisable ..

N'étant pas fans de montagne, on voit le mont blanc de lyon, ni de longues marches, j ai supprimé: - grand téton où suis déjà passé voir mes cousins



- et kanarra creek , 3 à 4h de marche en plus avec le vertige ... - ceci dit , suis preneur de plein d idées originales et sympa

pour moi cela dépendra surtout d'un phénomène bien particulier : la possibilité de réserver sur yellowstone sachant, si j ai bien compris, que ceux qui ont du annuler cette année seront prioritaires pour 2021

ce sera certainement mon dernier voyage dans l ouest....

Hello,

C'est ici qu'on en parle.

Philippe

En ces temps difficiles qui nous obligent à trouver des occupations, je vous soumets ici un carnet que j'avais rédigé il y a quelques années et que je n'ai jamais publié ici... Bonne lecture (pour ceux que ça intéresse...)...

24 juillet - Itinéraire d’une famille gâtée

Envie de t’évader ? Envie de rêver ? Envie de t’amuser ? Oui ? Alors tu as frappé à la bonne adresse... Plus précisément à l’adresse de celui qui a attrapé un virus… En l’occurrence, moi… Et ce virus, pas question de m’en débarrasser en me bourrant d’antibiotiques. Non seulement, les antibiotiques, ce n’est pas automatique, mais ce virus-là, j’en prends grand soin. Je l’entretiens, même… Ce virus, c’est l’étasunite ! Je l’ai contracté le jour où j’ai posé mes arpions chez l’oncle Sam pour la première fois, il y a une décennie de cela. Tout ça ne me rajeunit pas mais depuis ce fameux jour, lui et moi, nous ne nous sommes plus jamais quittés. Un proverbe dit à ce sujet que si tu vas aux Etats-Unis une fois, tu y reviendras un jour… Ben moi, depuis, j’y suis même retourné deux autres fois ! Et figure-toi que si tu lis ces quelques lignes, c’est que je m’apprête à y retourner pour une quatrième vadrouille !... Pour cette fois-ci, je vais accomplir un de mes rêves ! Me faire la route 66 sur mon Harley avec une belle brune accrochée à ma taille... Manque de bol, ma femme est blonde, je n'ai pas le permis moto et nous avons deux louloutes de quatre et sept ans… Va donc falloir que je revoie mes plans...

Bon, si tu es un lecteur assidu de nos précédentes vadrouilles, nous n’avons plus de secret pour toi, si bien que tu sais déjà que nous sommes quatre, juste un an de plus par rapport à la dernière fois… Il y a bien évidemment Sandrine, ma femme alias le portefeuille ; Sasha, notre petite globetrotteuse de quatre ans ; et Anna notre routarde de sept ans et plus toutes ses dents... Ah, et je m’oubliais ! Moi, Franck, la trentaine bien tassée, alias le conducteur, le tour opérateur, le narrateur, le cuisinier, le… Oui, je sais, moi aussi, j’aimerais bien déléguer… Ah, mais j’oublie encore quelqu’un !… Toi… Mais bon, sauf le respect que je te dois, tu ne seras une nouvelle fois que le spectateur du film que nous allons tourner et interpréter… D’ailleurs, quel en sera le titre ?... Et bien après réflexion, on a le choix entre « Voyage entre geysers et déserts », ou alors « Sous le soleil de Beverly Hills »… Pour ce coup-là, en espérant ne pas les vexer, on décide de poser un lapin à Brandon et Brenda… Car oui, c’est décidé, cette nouvelle édition sera composée d'indiens, de geysers, de trappeurs, de pionniers, de bisons, de chercheurs d'or, de hors-la-loi, de ranchs et de cowboys ! A nous les grands espaces… et les gros hamburgers !!! A nous l’ouest américain et ses films qui donnent tant envie : Délivrance, la colline a des yeux, Shining, The Descent, ...

Mais un voyage comme celui-là, ça se prépare un ‘tiot peu. Premièrement, il faut du blé, du flouze, du fric, du pognon, des pépettes, de la caillasse… Ben oui, ça coûte cher tout ça, donc à moins de faire comme le PSG et te faire subventionner par un investisseur qatari, il va falloir que tu en mettes de côté. Deuxièmement, il faut un minimum de travail de préparation. Et je commencerai mon histoire par un retour dans le passé, un bond dans le temps pour revenir pile poil au moment où Sandrine a enfin craqué sous mes coups de butoir et m’a donné son ô combien précieuse approbation… « Allez, ok, c’est bon, fais-toi plaisir ! » Sans avoir réellement conscience de la portée de ces quelques mots, elle venait de me signer un contrat de travail d’un an ! Car moi, ni une, ni deux, j'ai employé toute une équipe de lutins pour m'aider à préparer mon itinéraire. Lecture de carnets de voyage, questions sur des forums, épluchage de guides, visionnage de films, essorage d’internet, … Au final, je dois dire que je suis plus que satisfait de leur boulot ! Ce qui me permet non pas de faire un bilan puisqu'heureusement, le voyage n'est pas commencé, mais plutôt un petit compte-rendu chiffré de ce qui nous attend. Huit états à traverser ou à effleurer, plus de cinq mille kilomètres à parcourir, vingt jours pleins sur place, deux hôtels, quatorze campings différents, huit heures de décalage... Mes trois blondes vont-elles le supporter ? Optimiste que je suis, je mise sur un grand « Oui » ! D’ailleurs, pour les préparer, j’ai mis en place un programme intensif trois mois avant le départ : Marche autour de notre immense propriété, westerns tous les soirs, Coca et hamburgers à volonté à tous les repas !... Et oui, qui ménage sa monture voyage plus souvent !

Avant de tailler la route, je profite de cette intro pour publier une petite annonce à destination des cambrioleurs amateurs de textes de voyage : passez votre route, ma maison est équipée d’une alarme biométrique avec double varifocale et matrice de commutation. De plus, j’ai loué à un pote du neuf trois son gros pitbull pour l’occasion. Sans compter que pendant nos vacances, ma maison va être occupée par mes parents qui sont tous les deux experts en arts martiaux !... D’ailleurs, pourquoi je te raconte ces bobards alors que tu ne connais même pas mon adresse… C'est le 25, avenue des canaris à Triffouillis-sur-Retourne... Euh, merci de ne pas m’envoyer de carte postale à l'adresse ci-dessus... c'est une fausse !

Bon, chut, ça y est, c’est l’heure de l’évaluation… On va savoir si toute la famille est prête pour le grand départ : « Sandrine, donne-moi les huit états dans lesquels nous allons poser les pieds... - Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska, Dakota du sud, Montana, Idaho, Utah et... euh... mince, oh, je l’ai sur le bout de la langue… Ah oui, l’Arizona !!!… - Mouais… C’était moins une… Encore un peu et tu n’partais pas avec nous ! Et toi, Anna, cite-moi les quatre présidents sculptés sur le Mont Rushmore ? - Abram Licol, Tomasse Washington, George Jeffessonne et Theodore Rousevelle... - Ok, on va dire que c’est bon… Et toi, Sasha, dans quel pays allons-nous cet été ? - Les Jétajuniiiiis de l’Amérique de Mickey ! » Ok, c’est bon, elles sont fin prêtes ! Attention, départ imminent !

je viens d'avoir british airways (j'ai une ligne non surtaxée si besoin pour quelqu'un en MP pas eu trop d'attente mais ne pas lâcher quand c'est occupé recommencer multiples fois)!! et bien peanuts. L'agent que j'ai eu au tel stipule qu' ils ne remboursent pas à ce jour les billets pour les USA qui sont avant le 13 avril 2020 achetés l'année dernière dont les conditions ne sont pas remboursables....le coronavirus c'est pas leur soucis. Alors que d'autres compagnies aériennes font des gestes forts pour aider les clients...et même AGODA dont les chambres d'hôtels n'étaient pas remboursables remboursent sans problème dès aujourd'hui...

Alors la raison "à la trump" invoquée aujourd’hui les billets achetés à compter du 3 mars (on connaissait les dangers du virus) donc on peut obtenir changement ou bon avoir... les billets achetés avant le 3 mars on ne connaissait pas les dangers du virus donc c'est perdu vous n'avez droit à aucun remboursement (bon on sait que les taxes c'est remboursable).

je vais m'empresser d'inonder de messages les réseaux sociaux pour donner l'info. et faire un post bien voyant ici...sur VF Le gars il dit pour le moment n'annulez pas par vous même attendez peut être que ça va changer d'ici là....c'est clair que je vais attendre du coup....

je vais mettre un cierge à la bonne mère que soit les USA reviennent à la raison et qu'ils annulent l'interdiction pour les européens.. ou que BA fasse geste commercial digne de ce nom pour tous les voyageurs européens qui n'y sont pour rien

J’ai longtemps hésité à écrire ce carnet, au retour de ce merveilleux voyage, en Juillet, il m’a semblé que plusieurs autres carnets parlaient plus ou moins des mêmes lieux , et d’autres ont suivi les mois suivants, je les ai lu et continue à les lire avec beaucoup de Plaisir (encore merci bibouns51, marcalamar, marati et les autres, trop nombreux pour que je les cite tous), ils me rappellent ces endroits superbes et ces 3 semaines d’émerveillements.

Mais en décembre, mon père, le seul participant masculin à ce beau voyage, nous a quitté . Et en y réfléchissant, j’ai eu envie de raconter ce dernier road trip tous ensemble , pour moi c’est un rappel de bons souvenirs, et j’espère que pour certains ça donnera encore un autre exemple, les voyages à 3 générations n’étant pas si fréquents dans les carnets. Voyager avec les grands-parents et les enfants ados, ça force chacun à faire des concessions, à s’adapter au rythme et aux envies des uns et des autres…

C’était déjà le 6ème voyage dans l’Ouest pour moi, en une vingtaine d’année, et 3ème en trois ans:

En 2017, un trip à 9 avec un couple d’amis, ma soeur et nos 5 enfants, de San Francisco à Las Vegas en passant par les parcs les plus fréquemment visités (Grand Canyon, Bryce, …) sans passer par Los Angeles (https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=8264822;#8264822 ).

En 2018, toute seule sans enfants, à la découverte du Yellowstone puis de Valley of fire, Cedar breaks et Snow Canyon entre autres (https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=9100875;#9100875 )

Et 2019, l’objet de ce carnet, avec mes parents, mes deux filles de 14 et 16 ans et ma niece de 17 ans. Il y a eu plusieurs versions de l’itinéraire, j’avais fait une liste de nombreux endroits possibles et chacun a donné son classement. J’ai pris les lieux qui avaient le plus de voix de préférence et j’ai essayé de tous les mettre dans un itinéraire bien chargé mais je pense assez équilibré. Les incontournables étaient pour moi Yellowstone et Monument Valley que je voulais absolument leur faire découvrir à tous. Et pour les enfants, Universal Studios à Los Angeles et un nouveau passage à Las Vegas qu’elles avaient adoré deux ans plus tôt. Pour mes parents, le Mont Rushmore leur faisait envie. Le résultat a été un road trip de 23 jours, avec 2 vols intérieurs, 11 états traversés, 11 parcs nationaux, des lieux marqués par l’histoire indienne…on a beaucoup ri, un peu marché, et si souvent été éblouis.

Alors, après ce long préambule, comme on dit dans New-York Unité spéciale; voilà leur histoire . 😊

Comme nous avions un vol le 25 Juin au matin, un direct CDG-Los Angeles, on a décidé de rejoindre Paris en TGV le 24 au soir, pour dormir près de l’aéroport. Le 25, frais et dispos, nous voilà à l’aéroport. Pas de bagages à enregistrer, nous avons tous voyagé avec une valise cabine et un sac à dos. On monte bien à temps dans l’A380, et on attend le décollage…et on attend…et on attend…on nous parle d’un petit souci technique, on attend toujours…au bout d’un moment, on nous dit qu’on va nous faire sortir, que du personnel au sol nous prépare une salle climatisée (oui, il fait plutôt chaud ces jours-ci) pour nous recevoir en attendant de nous trouver un autre avion… Quand enfin on peut sortir, pas vraiment de salle climatisée mais du personnel qui nous traite un peu comme du bétail pour nous faire sortir au plus vite et nous dit de récupérer nos bagages (youpie, on n’en a pas à récupérer) et d’aller au comptoir air France où on va nous trouver un prochain vol. Mais c’est pas possible, on a nos places pour Universal demain nous! Au comptoir, on arrive dans les premiers, n’ayant pas de bagages à récupérer (mais ayant dû parcourir CDG de long en large) et là commence la recherche d’une solution pour nous 6. Première proposition: attendre minuit (on est 11h du matin à peu près là)pour prendre un vol ver Mexico, y attendre 8h puis avoir enfin un vol vers Los Angeles. Notre refus est clair, tant qu’à arriver demain, autant partir demain matin, au moins on aura une nuit de repos d’ici là. On finit par nous trouver un vol le lendemain matin, avec une escale à Detroit et arrivée en fin d’après-midi à Los Angeles. Bon, bein on fera avec…vous nous trouvez un hotel pour cette nuit? Euh…"on n’en trouve pas directement mais trouvez vous même et on vous remboursera…"je comprends qu’ils n’aient pas trouvé, il m’a fallu 2h pour finalement trouver des chambres à Chantilly, il n’y avait rien de libre plus près (les environs de l’aéroport étaient surbookés et on était six donc besoin de minimum 2 chambres). Franchement, la gestion de la situation par Air France ne nous a pas du tout impressionnés. Heureusement qu’ils ont fini par nous rembourser l’hotel et nous dédommager pour le vol 2 mois plus tard, une fois la plainte enregistrée et traitée sur leur site.

J’ai profité de l’après-midi et la soirée à l’hotel pour appeler Universal, et là, super service, ils ont accepté de changer la date des billets sans problème en apprenant la situation. J’ai aussi appelé pour changer la date de location de la voiture (prevue au depart pour 48h, on l’aura finalement prise juste 24h) et ça a été sans souci.

Le lendemain, 26 Juin, on retourne à l’aéroport avec une petite apprehension, mais tout se passe bien, premier vol ok, étape à Détroit rapide pour le passage à la douane et deuxième vol très bien également. A l’arrivée à Los Angeles, pour rejoindre notre hotel près de Universal, on fait un petit arrêt à Griffith Park, voir le signe Hollywood à la tombée du jour,



et après une pizza près de l’hotel, on s’effondre dans nos lits. Hotel : BLVD hotel and spa, très correct, jolie chambre, pas de petit déjeuner, bien situé (on peut aller à Universal à pieds).

Hi everyone,

The idea of traveling to Bolivia came to me after seeing Jean-François (Max68)’s photos on his website. I thought we *had* to see those stunning landscapes with the colorful lagoons for ourselves. But a self-drive trip didn’t seem doable at first. A few years ago, everyone advised against going to the South Lipez with just one car.

Laguna Kara

It was only after reading Laurent (Lolobe) and Pascal (Pepe874)’s travel journals—who explored the South Lipez solo with a car from Biz Rent a Car—that I thought we might be able to do the same. Meanwhile, we’d already contacted a local agency to organize a trip with a driver and guide. But the idea of a self-drive adventure really appealed to us. With encouragement and tips from Thierry (Tbernay) and Jean-François (Max68), we decided to plan our own self-drive trip. I’d like to thank them for their advice—it was *super* helpful. And a big thanks to all the other forum members for the info shared during our prep!

Laguna Colorada

Planning this trip happened during a tough time for our family. My mother-in-law’s illness and passing, plus a few health issues of my own, made us doubt the trip multiple times and nearly scrap the whole thing.

We booked our international flights in February with Swiss. They offered the best balance of travel time and price from Switzerland. Swiss operates Zurich–São Paulo with their own fleet, and São Paulo–Santa Cruz with GOL. In June, GOL canceled the Saturday flight and rebooked us on Sunday. Spending over 24 hours in that huge Brazilian city didn’t work for us at all, so we asked Swiss to put us on the next Zurich–São Paulo flight. Too bad—we lost a day in Bolivia and had to skip the Tarabucco market on Sunday.

Right after, we also booked the car in February. After contacting Imbex and Biz, we went with Biz. Not speaking Spanish, we were relieved to communicate with Alejandra in French. The contact was great—she answered all our questions patiently. Sometimes it took a few days to get a reply, but we could also reach her on WhatsApp. After our trip, we can *only* recommend Biz for rentals in Bolivia. The cars are well-prepped for the South Lipez tracks. The agency is reliable, and the vehicles are new and well-maintained.

“Our” car, a Toyota Hilux

While planning, we realized the presidential elections would happen while we were in Bolivia. The risk of *bloqueos* (roadblocks and protests) was very real. But in Bolivia, *bloqueos* seem common—you always have to account for that kind of hassle. In late August/early September, Uyuni and the Salar region were blocked for days, leading to food, fuel, and cash shortages. Worried about a blockade in Uyuni and missing the Salar, we decided to visit it first *just in case*.

On election day, the whole country shut down. Planes were grounded, buses and taxis couldn’t circulate, and private cars were banned. There were a few exceptions—ambulances, police, or certain professions—but as tourists, we couldn’t get permission to drive. We asked the embassy, and Biz even requested a permit from the electoral office. So we had to plan to be somewhere with things to do *without* the car.

We decided not to book any accommodations in advance—a first for us. Usually, we plan our stops and reserve lodges, hotels, or campgrounds well ahead. This time, only the room in Sucre was booked, so we’d have a base when we arrived.

In July, Alex (Delhenry) reached out to propose joining part of the trip. He didn’t realize we were leaving in October. Still, we got fresh updates when he returned from the South Lipez. Thanks, Alex—your tips, especially about the Guadalupe–Tupiza stretch, were *super* useful.

In September, we connected with Jean-Louis (Avx) and Anne (Xeta), who were also heading to Bolivia in October, one and two weeks after us. We had dinner with Jean-Louis and his friend after our South Lipez trip and stayed in touch with Anne. It was great to chat with them! Unfortunately, Anne and her husband had a much rockier trip—they got hit hard by post-election issues.

Climbing Volcán Tunupa

Our itinerary wasn’t set in stone—we decided to wing it on the spot. Two weeks before departure, I reconnected with Alejandra at Biz to move the car rental up by a day. With the elections, we wanted to leave Sucre ASAP and focus on the South Lipez. Outside Uyuni and Tupiza, the risk of blockades was zero. We also planned a two-night buffer in Sucre before our flights, just in case. It might sound overcautious, but in hindsight, we made the right call. If we’d left Sucre a day later, we wouldn’t have made it to Potosí—it was completely blocked. On the way back, we *just* dodged blockades in Potosí and elsewhere. Sometimes, you’ve gotta trust your gut.

Here’s our route—only the first two nights in Sucre were booked ahead:

D1 Departure from Switzerland

D2 Sucre (La Selenita)

D3 Sucre (La Selenita)

D4 Colchani (Hotel de Sal Luna Salada)

D5 Jirira (Auberge Doña Lupe)

D6 On the Salar (in the car)

D7 A few kilometers from Estancia Catal (in the car)

D8 Laguna Hedionda (Hotel Los Flamencos)

D9 Laguna Colorada (Lodge by the lagoon)

D10 Middle of nowhere, en route Laguna Verde–Mina Horsu–Quetena Chico (in the car)

D11 Quetena Chico (Lamphaya Lodge Andino)

D12 Quetena Chico (Lamphaya Lodge Andino)

D13 Guadalupe (Guest room at Celia’s)

D14 Along the Rio Grande (in the car)

D15 Tupiza (Hotel Mitru)

D16 Tupiza (Hotel Mitru)

D17 Sucre (La Selenita)

D18 Sucre (La Selenita)

D19 Santa Cruz (Hotel Sun)

D20 Departure from Santa Cruz

D21 Arrival in Switzerland

As you can see, we spent 13 nights in the South Lipez. Initially, we’d planned for nine, but Jean-François (Max68) suggested staying longer. Great advice—we didn’t regret it one bit. We could’ve even added 2–3 more days without getting bored.

Self-driving in the South Lipez takes some prep and a good GPS. We kept it simple and used maps.me to navigate. It’s a solid app—just save your waypoints ahead of time. For some stretches, I used Google Earth to visualize the tracks and sites. If you stick to the tour operator routes, you *almost* can’t get lost. But we often veered off the beaten path and took different routes. Some days, we didn’t see another car. So in case of a breakdown, it’s key to have water and food for several days. In some spots, there’s *zero* signal—your phone won’t work. Another must: it gets *cold* in the South Lipez, and a good sleeping bag is essential. We brought down sleeping bags rated for -10°C and didn’t regret it during our car nights.

The Dalí Desert

Some tracks are *super* rocky—flat tires are a real risk. On those stretches, maps.me’s estimated travel time was way off. Some sections barely let us go over 15 km/h.

Lots of forum members recommend doing the South Lipez “loop” from Tupiza to Uyuni—ending with the Salar—to avoid Uyuni’s crowds. That might work for organized tours, but for self-drive, the direction *doesn’t* matter. I’ll say this: the few vehicles we saw mostly came from Tupiza and Chile, not Uyuni. So if starting from Uyuni works better for you, go for it! Ending in Tupiza means heading toward warmer weather. For our planned stops and climbs, starting in Uyuni helped with acclimatization. Spending a few nights between 3,600–3,800 m before going over 4,000 m is a smart move.

Uyuni Salt Flats in the morning

Overall, we barely saw anyone—except at Laguna Hedionda and Chalviri. There were several tour groups at Hotel Los Flamencos (Laguna Hedionda), but we didn’t cross paths during the day. Hardly anyone on the Salar, on the roads, or at the lodges in the evenings. The *only* place that shocked us was Chalviri. We’d planned to stay there, but it was fully booked—and we counted *forty* tour jeeps on-site. This was around noon! At the Polques hot springs (Chalviri), it was *packed*—we quickly nixed the idea of a dip. Plus, the vibe wasn’t great: soaking right by the road with lodges and restaurants in the background? Meh. Still, lots of tourists love it, so it’s up to you.

For the photos, I kept the colors and mood we saw. The lagoons’ hues are often stunning, but some online photos are *way* over-edited and oversaturated. The South Lipez’s landscapes are breathtaking—no need for excessive retouching.

If you don’t want to read all the details, the start of the travel journal is here: https://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=9888761;a=9888761