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bonjour,

comme je viens de pratiquement finir mon itineraire ( enfin notre projet à mon epoux et moi), et apres enormement de lecture et de recherche ( dans le forum+ le routard+ internet et conseils d'amis...) j'ai constaté qu'il me manque quelques informations, si vous pouvez m'aider, me conseiller ou meme rectifier mon itineraire, je vous en remercie par avance.

donc ci dessous notre voyage en routard du 10 mars au 02 avril 2006 ( c'est la premiere fois!) billets deja prit pour un directe Istanbul visas multi entrées prient aussi la carte ISIC est un gros avantage pour une etudiante comme moi! je le prends demain.

notre but est de se depayser et de partir plus particulierement en Syrie puis en Jordanie ( nous avons prit les billets pour la turquie juste pour voir une amie mais aussi pour le coût, moins chere)

voici l'itineraire : Programme Vendredi 10/03/06 : 19 h 30 : décollage 23 h 50 : arrivée à l’aéroport d’Istanbul Minuit : nuit chez une amie Samedi 11/03/06 matinée : Repos + reservation de bus pour Antioche ( Antakya ) et Lattaquié apres- midi : Balade à Istanbul 17 h 30 : départ pour Antioche nuit dans le bus Dimanche 12/03/06 ~ 9 h 30 : arrivée à Antioche matinée : prendre un bus direction Lattaquié ( - de 100km) http://www.hasturizm.com.tr/yurdisi_img/suriye.html apres midi : château de Saladin ( ~35km de Lattaquié ) > JE NE SAIS PAS SI C’EST POSSIBLE ( donc pour mardi 28/03) fin de journée : visite de la ville nuit à Lattaquié Lundi 13/03/06 tres tot : prendre le bus en direction de Tartous matinée : visite de l’ile d’Arwan apres-midi : visite du ch��teau d’Al-Marqab fin de journée : promenade à Tartous nuit à Tartous Mardi 14/03/06 ~ 8 h : route en direction du Krak des Chevaliers ( visite guidé :1h30) ~ 11 h 30 : route direction Homs et visite de la ville et le souk fin d’apres midi : Visite de la Mosquée de Khalid Ibn al Walid soirée : partir pour Damas nuit à Damas Mercredi 15/03/06 tres tot : visite de la vieille ville : Mausolée de Saladin Mausolée de Khaïbar Mosquée des Omeyyades … fin d’apres midi : balades et souk Soirée : faire un Hammam nuit à Damas Jeudi 16/03/06 tres tot : visite de la nouvelle ville : Musée Archeologique Nationnal (3 heures de visite) + Mosquée Tekkiyeh Musée de l’Armée centre artisanal ouvert jusqu’à 20h ! fin de journée : balade au mont Kassioun nuit à Damas Vendredi 17/03/06 tres tot : visite dans la region de Hauran pour visiter la Mosquée Chiite Zenob fin de matinée : visite du théatre de Bosra apres midi : balade dans la ville de Bosra ( couvent de Bahira + Mosquée…) soirée : prendre le bus pour Amman en Jordanie JE NE SAIS PAS OU PRENDRE LE BUS ??? nuit à Amman Samedi 18/03/06 tres tot : partir directement à kerak et visiter la villle apres midi : baignade à la Mer Morte ( 1h-2h ) fin d’apres midi : partir à Dana nuit à Dana Dimanche 19/03/06 tres tot : visite à Dana apres midi : route pour Petra soirée : Balade en plein couché du soleil nuit à Petra Lundi 20/03/06 tres tot : visite du Necropole apres midi : visite de la ville Basse ( qu’est ce qui est les plus importants à voir dans Petra ?) soirée : Balade à cheval ? super si c’est possible! nuit à Petra Mardi 21/03/06 tres tot : visite d’autres monuments journée : visites à Petra soirée : balade dans la ville nuit à Petra Mercredi 22/03/06 tres tres tot : partir Wadi Rum pour 24 h dans le desert en Bivouac, on nous a conseillé ce guide : http://www.wink.com.au/wadirum/ journée : Balade dans le desert soirée : chanson traditionnel et discutions avec le guide fin de soirée : libre nuit en plein desert de Wadi Rum Jeudi 23/03/06 matinée : retour à Petra et balade ~ 14 h : route pour 3 heures jusqu’à Amman ( Y A-T-IL UN BUS DIRECT ???) partir directement à Damas pour 6 heures de trajet ( Y A-T-IL DES HORAIRES??) ~23 h : arrivée à Damas nuit à Damas Vendredi 24/03/06 ~ 8 h : partir pour Palmyre ( 3 h de trajet ) ~ 12 h : arrivée à Palmyre et visite d’un ou deux monument soirée : Balade dans Palmyre nuit à Palmyre Samedi 25/03/06 journée : Visite à Palmyre fin d’apres midi : partir pour Hama en passant par Homs nuit à Hama Dimanche 26/03/06 tres tot : visite du Musée apres midi : visite du khan Rustom Pash et de l’Horloge soirée : balade en Ville et visite de la Mosquée nuit à Hama Lundi 27/03/06 tres tot : partir à Masyaf et visite du village apres midi : visite dans le Qasr Ibn Wardan ( 59 km de Hama ) soirée : partir à Apamé ou dormir à Hama Mardi 28/03/06 tres tot : visite de la citadelle d’Apamé apres midi : visite du Theatre + le Château de Saladin ( car c’est mieux que le dimanche 12/03) soirée : balade dans la ville Mercredi 29/03/06 tres tot : partir à Alep matinée : visite du musée apres midi : balade et souk soirée : LIBRE nuit à Alep Jeudi 30/03/06 journée : finir les visite à Alep ~ 17 h : prendre le bus pour Istanbul nuit dans le Bus Vendredi 31/03/06 ~ 13 h : Istanbul journée : repos ou balade à Istanbul nuit à Istanbul Samedi 01/04/06 Rien Dimanche 02/04/06 Rien voila!

je recapitule les questions que nous nous posons :

1- pour la frontiere de la Syrie, y'a-t-il un bus de Bosra jusqu'à Amman??, si non, alors ou pourrais je le prendre? j'ai appris qu'on pouvait prendre le visa Jordanien à la frontiere mais aussi à Damas, quel est la meilleure solution? 2- A Petra, qu'est ce qui est vraiment les plus importants monuments à absolument visiter? vu qu'on a pres de 3 jours la bas?) 3- j'ai vu sur le Routard qu'il etait possible de faire du cheval à Petra les lundis et jeudis, mais quel est le coût? 4- où me renseigner pour les bus à Petra pour la direction de Amman puis de Damas? y'a-t-il un bus directe, si oui, quelle est la compagnie et ou les horaires? 5- le chateau de Saladin se visite en combien de temps à peu pres?

je vous remercie par avance pour toutes vos reponses.

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Transport de vélo dans les trains (TGV) English translation pending

by Nergal · 2005-06-16 · 82 replies

Bonsoir,

Le transport de vélo dans les trains (TGV) doit se faire dans une sacoche.

Je suis donc allé dans un magasin de sport très connu pour leur demander si ils n'avaient pas ce type de sacoche (car la SNCF est paraît-il assez strict sur les dimensions...) et il se trouve que ça coûte 62€!!! (40€ de plus et je peux me payer un vélo!)

Avez-vous été confronté à ce problème? Existe-t-il d'autres solutions?

Two weeks under the Puglia sun

by Muriel18 · 2026-06-08 · 122 replies

After a pretty disastrous weather-wise trip to Gran Canaria, we’re hoping this time the sun will shine in Puglia. It’s not a sure thing, though—the weather’s been awful all over Europe in early May.

For those who’d like to (re)read the story without the digressions, it’s here.

Saturday, May 16: This time we’re flying out of Charleroi (Brussels South): the ticket prices, flight times, and proximity all worked for us. The airport (Ryanair) was recently renovated... but it’s still not very well organized. There are hardly any seats in the boarding areas, and... the restrooms cost money!!! The flight goes smoothly, though, and we land in Bari a little late.

We quickly pick up our rental car, a very local-looking Pandina (even more so than the Fiat 500 in this region), and hit the Italian roads... and their unique driving quirks (like the fact that the countless road signs along the streets and in towns are purely decorative 😏, and that Italian cars don’t have turn signals 😮... except for rental cars).

About an hour later, we arrive at our first accommodation, right in the middle of the countryside near Monopoli. The owner isn’t there, but they’ve left us a ton of info via messages and even turned on the space heater, which is a nice touch. We explore the property:

And the next morning before breakfast, its immediate surroundings:

Sunday, May 17: After our "seaside" experience in Gran Canaria last weekend (packed with people and locals), we decide to start inland. After a hearty breakfast,

we head toward Alberobello, a super touristy village famous for its trulli—those stone houses with conical roofs. We easily find a free parking spot on a street near the Aia Piccola district, where some trulli are still lived in year-round.

We almost immediately come across the Trullo Sovrano (the only two-story one), which you can visit (but we skip it—it’s opening time, and there’s already a line).

From there, we head down toward the Basilica of Cosma e Damiano... but we don’t go in because there’s a mass.

Now we’re on the main Piazza del Popolo, which connects the two districts of Alberobello: Rione Aia Piccola and Rione Monti, the more touristy one.

2 weeks in the Seychelles

by Isamacha · 2026-04-15 · 2 replies

We spent two weeks in the Seychelles at the end of March and beginning of April 2026. We split our stay as follows: 4 nights on La Digue, nights on Praslin (assuming you meant a specific number here—let me know if you'd like to correct it!), and 6 nights on Mahé. It’s a classic itinerary.

Inter-island transfers are done with the Cat Coco company. You can book the transfers online on their website, which also offers an airport-to-port shuttle when you arrive in Mahé. It takes about 50 minutes to go from Mahé to Praslin and 10 minutes between Praslin and La Digue.

La Digue is an island with very few cars (only taxis and a few official or business vehicles) and lots of bikes. You can rent them everywhere on the island—we rented ours from our landlady. Things to see and do on the island: a bike tour around the island, the Veuve Reserve (it’s a bird), Union Estate with a giant tortoise park, and especially Anse Source d’Argent (our favorite beach across all three islands) and all the other coves, including Grande Anse, Petite Anse, and Anse Sévère.

For food, there are several takeaways on the island and plenty of small shops for groceries—same goes for the other two islands.

On Praslin, we rented a car, but you can also use the bus network. There aren’t many destinations, the main one being the Vallée de Mai, a must-visit as the sanctuary of the coco de mer (the "butt nut"). It’s best to visit with a guide—they wait for a small group, and the ticket price can be split four ways. You *can* visit alone, but you’ll miss out on a lot of information. Another destination is Anse Georgette, in the north of the island near the airport and the golf course of a big resort. Have your accommodation notify the hotel when you’re heading there, and if you’re driving, park as soon as you see the first signs for the parking lot. Anse Lazio is famous, but much more touristy than Anse Georgette. We stayed in Anse Volbert Village at Côte d’Or, a stunning 3 km beach with shops, takeaways, and restaurants.

Mahé is the largest island. Like on Praslin, you can rent a car or use the buses—we rented one. The roads are good but sometimes narrow. Don’t forget the mountainous terrain in this part of the Seychelles, which makes some climbs very steep (same as on Praslin). Opt for small cars—they’re often automatic, and remember you drive on the left here!

Things to see on Mahé: the Jardin du Roi, a collection of everything that grows in the Seychelles—very interesting, with a great restaurant. Visit Anse Intendance, Anse Bazarca, and Police Bay in the south—three gorgeous beaches. Also check out Anse Royale. For souvenirs, head to the Craft Village, where you can find some unique items. If you’re a fan, visit the Takamaka distillery.

In conclusion, we should’ve added one or two more nights on La Digue—it’s really beautiful—and only stayed three nights on Praslin. We rented apartments through Booking and Airbnb. Don’t forget to get your tourist visa online. The Seychelles is a clean, safe, relaxed, and stress-free country

2 weeks in northern Portugal: what to see with the Douro Valley and Porto?

by Yaoketao · 2026-02-09 · 4 replies

Hi there,

We’re traveling in our camper van from Haute-Savoie.

We’ve got 2 weeks in April and want to explore northern Portugal.

We’re thinking of:

- Peneda-Gerês National Park - the Douro Valley - Porto

We love nature, hiking, and culture (and also good food and wine).😉

Do you have an itinerary to suggest?

Thanks in advance for your replies

2 weeks in Southern Morocco from Marrakech: does this itinerary work?

by Christ0phe · 2025-09-23 · 8 replies

Hi there, We’re a small group planning a road trip loop with a rental car, starting and ending in Marrakech. Two weeks at the end of October. We’d like a mix of nature discoveries, villages, ksars (ideally some photogenic and/or abandoned ones), a few hikes, and if possible, one or two nights sleeping on a rooftop/terrace in a village. What do you think of this itinerary? Thanks for your insights, and have a great evening, everyone! Christophe

10/17 Marrakech airport → Cascades Ourika Ourika Valley, Promenade des 7 Cascades – 65 km

10/18 Cascades Ourika → Telouet Toufliht (km 99) – 163 km

10/19 Telouet → Aïd Benhaddou Walks in the stunning Ounila Valley – 47 km

10/20 Aïd Benhaddou → Gorges Dadès Skoura (Association des femmes) – 168 km

10/21 Gorges Dadès → Départ Saghro Tinghir, Todgha Gorges – 154 km

10/22 Départ Saghro → Départ Saghro Walk in the Saghro (24 km) – 0 km

10/23 Départ Saghro → Tagounite Dunes Tinfou – 192 km

10/24 Tagounite → Tamnougalt Zagora – 156 km

10/25 Tamnougalt → Tamnougalt Draa Valley – 0 km

10/26 Tamnougalt → Taliouine Tazenakht – 178 km

10/27 Taliouine → Imlil Tizi n Test – 202 km

10/28 Imlil → Marrakech – 63 km

2 days in Bali off the beaten path

by Lolo3412 · 2025-09-11 · 1 reply

Hello, We’re planning our trip for next summer, which will be based in Komodo, then Alor, and back to Bali to catch our international flight. To secure that flight, we’re planning to spend our last two full days (actually 3 nights) in Bali. We’ve already visited Bali twice—first time 30 years ago and the second time 12 years ago—and we don’t want to revisit the must-see spots (and definitely not Ubud; I had a bit of a shock there 12 years ago). What could you recommend for activities and hotel locations? We’re looking for fairly exclusive experiences, not too physically demanding since we’re not as young as we used to be. We’re big fans of good food and beautiful landscapes. Can we find a driver/guide for these two days? Thanks in advance for your recommendations

2 weeks in the Cyclades

by Muriel18 · 2025-06-09 · 123 replies

Hi everyone!

Blue skies (lots of them), whitewashed villages with steep alleyways, hundreds of churches, and... thousands of stairs? Welcome to the Cyclades! 🙂

We’d been dreaming about this for a while, but in July-August—with the crowds—no way! Now that I can travel outside school holidays, the Cyclades are back on the agenda. And so begins a loooong period of planning and second-guessing, with countless itinerary changes: the Cyclades, yes, but which ones? I was fixated on Folegandros (we won’t be going after all) and really wanted to visit Delos. So, for this first trip, it’ll be: Mykonos (and Delos)-Naxos-Amorgos-Santorini.

Saturday 24/05: Departure from Orly on a Transavia flight, arriving in Mykonos in the late afternoon. We found a hotel that offers free transfers (pretty rare and not insignificant—it’s 25 € each way for just a few kilometers 😠) and at a reasonable price (83 € per night for B&B). Time for dinner already: Greek salad and souvlaki (we’re in Greece, right?)

(Okay, this is actually a dakos with Naxos cheese, but I don’t have a photo of a Greek salad 😏).

2 days in Memphis, USA

by Marino69 · 2025-06-04 · 1 reply

Hi there, For the start of our trip to the US, we’ve decided to spend 2 days in Memphis. We’re arriving around 11 PM. What’s the best way to get to the city center—bus, taxi? Is it better to stay near the airport for the first night? We’re not planning to rent a car for these 2 days of sightseeing. I’ve read on forums that hotel parking is really expensive. Is it easy to get around from one attraction to another without a car? Where should we stay? Thanks for sharing your experience!

Two weeks with girlfriends in southern Kazakhstan

by VoyageForum · 2025-05-07 · 0 replies

Hi everyone!

I’m just back from two weeks in southern Kazakhstan. I went with a friend, and we organized everything ourselves. We came back absolutely enchanted by the trip: stunning landscapes, lots of animals spotted in the parks, and above all, amazing hospitality and a warm welcome.

Two weeks in Crete

by Dropraoul · 2025-03-16 · 8 replies

Hi there, We’re planning to visit Crete during the second half of May and rent a car. A knee issue means we can’t do any hiking anymore, just leisurely walks. Is it realistic to explore the whole island by basing ourselves in two spots—one in the east and one in the west? Could you recommend some nice places to stay that aren’t tourist factories? Thanks in advance for your help with my questions. Best regards.

Two Quebecers Attempting Mount Meru

by Sysy1111 · 2025-02-22 · 21 replies

In 2015, for my 50th birthday, my daughter and I went to Kenya and Tanzania for a safari. Ten years later, for my 60th, a new African adventure: returning to Tanzania, this time to attempt the ascent of Mount Meru.

After watching documentaries and films about Everest climbers, I’ve always been drawn to the idea of experiencing something like that. I’m impressed by those who risk their lives just to chase their dreams and push their limits (my partner would say they’re crazy). I’ve never pretended I could climb the roof of the world. My sights were set on Kilimanjaro instead. But when my daughter planned our adventure, she lowered my ambitions by a few meters by choosing Meru—and I get it. We’re both very active, but we’re not seasoned athletes. And our mountains in Quebec, as beautiful as they are, don’t offer the chance to climb very high to test our endurance against the lack of oxygen.

So, to prepare physically, I worked my 60-year-old legs daily by walking and climbing small hills near home. As for altitude sickness, I’ll have to trust my system and my old lungs, but it still stresses me out. The departure is approaching, and there’s no turning back—I tell myself that at worst, I’ll have tried.

February 2nd, departure day. We leave Montreal on an Air France flight as scheduled. Luckily, because we were worried, our flight times were delayed, and our layover at CDG will be tight. After a 6.5-hour flight to Paris, no messing around—we have just enough time to sit for about thirty minutes before boarding another 8.5-hour flight to Zanzibar, still with Air France. In Zanzibar, we stay on the plane while pale-faced passengers disembark, replaced by sun-kissed travelers (it’s sunny and warm in Zanzibar). We then take a short flight to Kilimanjaro Airport, our final destination. Exhausted but happy to step off the big metal bird, a driver from the agency we chose (Soaring Flamingo) waits to take us to our hotel, the Tulia in Arusha. It’s 2 AM when we finally collapse onto the mattress. Tomorrow, we’ll spend the day recovering from the sleepless flight, relaxing by a murky pool in a beautiful flower-filled courtyard, surrounded by palm trees and the everyday sounds of Africa. At that moment, I feel privileged to share this experience with my daughter, and I think about the mountain that awaits us.

To be continued...

2 months cycling as a family: Denmark/Sweden/Finland and Estonia?

by Anso56 · 2025-02-17 · 8 replies

Hello fellow cycle-tourers! First post on this site for our first big family cycling adventure with our two teens (12 and 16 years old) over 2 months. We're preparing to leave in June/July from Erdeven by bike, then take the train from Auray to Paris, followed by a FlixBus from Paris to Copenhagen with our 4 bikes. After that, we're looking to refine our route: Should we go to Sweden via Helsingborg and then head up to Stockholm along the west or east coast? Maybe passing through the Gotland islands, then via the Åland Islands, why not Turku? Then off to Estonia to Tallinn, ride a bit along the coast, and return by bus if we can find one that takes 4 bikes. :))

Could you share any tips on routes in Sweden: west coast or east coast to prioritize in the south? We’ve heard it’s a shame not to go up to Norway, but we’re worried about the elevation and don’t see how to make a loop work in our 2 months / 1500 km. Any ideas? And the southern Finnish coast: should we go all the way to Helsinki or not? Maybe at the expense of Estonia?

In short, we know choosing means giving something up, but if we can do it with advice from fellow cyclists, that would be amazing! Thanks in advance for your tips! Anne-Sophie and the whole Breton family: David, Axel, and Maude

2 weeks in mojito country - March 2024 (Cuba)

by Pboulard · 2025-02-02 · 19 replies

Hey everyone,

A lot has happened in 4 years when it comes to travel. It wasn’t a little virus that would stop us from traveling, even if we sometimes had to adjust our destinations. So, I’m going to try to get back into posting travel journals, starting with destinations where there aren’t many recent stories.

I’ll begin with our trip of 2 weeks exploring the western part of Cuba. For those eager to read the story, I invite you to check out MyAtlas, where I started writing my travel journals during VoyageForum’s long hiatus: https://www.myatlas.com/Lofwyra/cuba-petit-detour-au-pays-du-mojito

Our itinerary, traveled in a 1954 classic American car with our driver Yoan, who spoke excellent French. I’ll add links to the posts as I write them.

2 nights in Habana Vieja - <<click here to go directly to the post>> 2 nights in Playa Larga** 2 nights in Cienfuegos** 3 nights in Trinidad*** 2 nights in Matanzas*** 3 nights in Viñales**** 1 night in Havana, downtown and Vedado

Before diving into the story, here are a few photos of what stood out to us beyond the usual sights of this country:

🙂 The birds, in large numbers—hummingbirds, pink flamingos, pelicans, and especially the tocororo, Cuba’s endemic bird, considered the national bird because the colors of its plumage match the Cuban flag.

🙂 Matanzas, a city that doesn’t get much attention, sandwiched between Varadero and Havana. It doesn’t have the architectural splendor of Trinidad or Cienfuegos, some streets are really dirty, but it has a dynamic, lively vibe that really touched us.

🙂 The ever-present blue, in the architecture, the cars, and the natural surroundings.

...and what we called the "Cuban style": rum and cigars in the company of Che 😎

There’s still so much more to remember about this captivating and vibrant country, despite the economic crisis hitting Cubans hard... to be continued in the story.

Happy reading, Pascale