merci d'avance 😉😉😉
Itinéraire sympathique pour le Tyrol autrichien en passant par l'Italie?
by Crino
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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salut à tous
nous comptons partir decouvrir l'autriche et ses alentours pendant 1 semaine fin aout avec notre fille de 5 ans.
nous habitons le var et voudrions passer par les lacs d'italie.
y aurait il un connaisseur sympa pour nous conseiller un itineraire simple mais assez complet
merci d'avance 😉😉😉
merci d'avance 😉😉😉
Bonjour ,
Lors de l' été 2008 , je me suis rendu en Autriche en passant par Venise et les Dolomites . Le récit en images de mon circuit figure ICI . Connaisseur ?! Non , mais cet itinéraire pourra peut être vous donner une première idée ...
Amicalement .
Lors de l' été 2008 , je me suis rendu en Autriche en passant par Venise et les Dolomites . Le récit en images de mon circuit figure ICI . Connaisseur ?! Non , mais cet itinéraire pourra peut être vous donner une première idée ...
Amicalement .
Nos récits de voyages : http://escapades.jimdo.com/
Nouveau : "La GdE" (http://lagde.jimdo.com/), l' histoire d' un TDM de 318 jours (Août 2013/Juillet 2014) .
J'ai fait ce circuit il y a pas mal de temps et j'ai un peu oublié l'itinéraire mais comme vous y allez avec votre petite fille et que moi aussi je l'ai fait avec une petite fille , il faut que je vous dise qu'après une semaine sur les lacs Italiens avec du beau temps , il neigeait au pied du Grossglockner et on n'était pas assez habillé .Dans la vallée côté Autrichien , il faisait une dizaine de degrés et on a dormi tout habillés pendant 3 nuits .
Le parcours grosso modo , après le lac de Garde , direction Cortina D'Empezzo et le fameux Grossglockner et sa route spectaculaire , enneigé en plein mois d'août , c'est normal mais il neigeait à partir de 1700 m.
Plusieurs possibilités
Je commence par l' une d' elles que nous avons faite et que nous avons trouve fort plaisante, mais nous avons visité les lacs au retour
Aller Nice Bolzano Direct ,2 nuits et escapade dans les Dolomites puis Tyrol Au retour, Arrêt et nuit à Verone puis 2 nuits au lac de Garde( superbe), lac de Côme, lac Majeur retour
Toutes les combinaisons sont possibles
Tu peux aussi faire un détour par Venise comme proposé plus haut mais là tu dévies de ta trajectoire
Tu peux commencer lac majeur, lac de côme, lac de Garde et rejoindre la route du Brenner au nord du lac de Garde et t' arrêter à dans les dolomites au retour etc
Si tu as peu de temps limite toi au lac de Garde Bons Préparatifs
Aller Nice Bolzano Direct ,2 nuits et escapade dans les Dolomites puis Tyrol Au retour, Arrêt et nuit à Verone puis 2 nuits au lac de Garde( superbe), lac de Côme, lac Majeur retour
Toutes les combinaisons sont possibles
Tu peux aussi faire un détour par Venise comme proposé plus haut mais là tu dévies de ta trajectoire
Tu peux commencer lac majeur, lac de côme, lac de Garde et rejoindre la route du Brenner au nord du lac de Garde et t' arrêter à dans les dolomites au retour etc
Si tu as peu de temps limite toi au lac de Garde Bons Préparatifs
Je ne peux vous faire de recommandations pour l'Autriche, mais selon votre itinéraire, diverses possibilités s'offrent à vous entrer en Italie et accéder aux lacs. En voici un parmi tant d'autres...À partir de Innsbruck, dirigez-vous vers le sud (via Brenner) et accéder au Val Pusteria (Tyrol sud) via Bressanone en direction de Brunico et Dobbiaco.Ensuite, dirigez-vous vers le sud en direction de Cortina d'Ampezzo. Mais avant d'y arriver, arrêtez-vous au Lac Misurina (photo #1) et faites un détour jusqu'au refuge Auronzo d'où les panoramas (#2) sont à couper le souffle.Ensuite diriger vous vers l'ouest en direction de Canezei et Bolzano où le parcour est parsemé de cols et petis villages.De Bolzano, dirigez vous vers Trento, À partir de Trento, descendez jusqu'au Lac de Garde (mon lac préféré) en vous arrêtant à la plage de Torbole (#3).Faites le tour du lac nord/est/sud/ouest et arrêtez-vous entres autres à Malcesine et son château, Monte Baldo, Gardaland (grand parc d'amusement) près de Peschiera,
Vérone et son arène si vous avez le temps, la presqu'ile de Sirmione (#4), son château et Grotte di Catullo, Salo et le Vittoriale à proximité,
la Strada Gardesana qui longe le côté ouest du lac (tunnels et paysages sur le lac), Limone sul Garda (#5)
et revenez à votre point de départ à Riva del Garda au nord du lac.J'ai répondu à plusieurs reprises sur le sujet des lacs italiens; je vous invite à parcourir mes messages publics afin d'y découvrir d'autres infos....
Si vous vous rendez jusqu'au lac de Côme, Lugano ou Majeur, vous devrez traverser la Suisse (Franc suisse) et non l'Autriche pour revenir sur vos pas.
Si vous vous rendez jusqu'au lac de Côme, Lugano ou Majeur, vous devrez traverser la Suisse (Franc suisse) et non l'Autriche pour revenir sur vos pas.
Bon voyage ou séjour,
ItaliaMia
ItaliaMia
découvrir toute l'autriche ou seulement le tyrol?
découvrir toute l'autriche ou seulement le tyrol?
franchement ... on va partir tranquillou pendant 1 semaine et monter vers l'autriche;ça ... c'est la base de notre virée...
on aimerait donc passer par les lacs et voir le "meilleur" de l'autriche , peut etre les alentours si on a le temps .
je me suis permis de poster (j'ai un peu cherché mais je me suis vite égaré😊) car je me doutais qu'il avait des passionnés qui "me" sortiraient un ptit voyage à la carte et que je pourrais regrouper les infos (c'est déja bien parti...).
un detail interressant je vais prevoir des vetements chauds 😉
merci
franchement ... on va partir tranquillou pendant 1 semaine et monter vers l'autriche;ça ... c'est la base de notre virée...
on aimerait donc passer par les lacs et voir le "meilleur" de l'autriche , peut etre les alentours si on a le temps .
je me suis permis de poster (j'ai un peu cherché mais je me suis vite égaré😊) car je me doutais qu'il avait des passionnés qui "me" sortiraient un ptit voyage à la carte et que je pourrais regrouper les infos (c'est déja bien parti...).
un detail interressant je vais prevoir des vetements chauds 😉
merci
à paques 2000 , j'avais fait
jour 1 marseille-venise ( fin d'AM à venise)
jour 2 venise
jour3 venise -graz par tarvisio ( AM à graz)
jour 4 graz-vienne (AM à vienne)
jour5 vienne
jour6 vienne-salzburg (AM à salzburg)
jour 7 salzburg-innsbruck (AM à innsbruck)
jour 8 innsbruck-environs de la spezia ( pour aller dans de la famille , mais innsbruck-var ça se fait sans problème en 7-8h sans forcer)
1j1/2 à venise c'est peu , mais moi je connaissais déjà , et j'y suis retourné depuis ; peut être prévoir un voyage specifique et remplacer par le lac de garde pour ce périple j'avais eu de la chance il faisait beau ( repas en terrasse tous les soirs) alors que j'avais quitté marseille et traversé l'italie sous la pluie
1j1/2 à venise c'est peu , mais moi je connaissais déjà , et j'y suis retourné depuis ; peut être prévoir un voyage specifique et remplacer par le lac de garde pour ce périple j'avais eu de la chance il faisait beau ( repas en terrasse tous les soirs) alors que j'avais quitté marseille et traversé l'italie sous la pluie
Comme quoi il faut toujours bien lire et poser les bonnes questions...
....1 semaine pour partir de la France, vous arrêter aux grands lacs, apercevoir l'Autriche et revenir sur vos pas....
il faudra prendre les bouchées moins grandes ou vous donner davantage de temps...
Bon voyage ou séjour,
ItaliaMia
ItaliaMia
Comme quoi il faut toujours bien lire et poser les bonnes questions...
....1 semaine pour partir de la France, vous arrêter aux grands lacs, apercevoir l'Autriche et revenir sur vos pas....
il faudra prendre les bouchées moins grandes ou vous donner davantage de temps...
salut c'est justement pour cela que j'ai posté 😉 j'aimerais simplement avoir qques "valeurs sures" à savoir :chateau(x) lac(s) curiosité(s) qui valent le detour sur mon trajet(var italie autriche) je me doute bien qu'on ne pourra pas tout faire; j'aimerais par votre biais aller au plus "interressant" meme si c'est du deja vu pour certains.
merci encore
salut c'est justement pour cela que j'ai posté 😉 j'aimerais simplement avoir qques "valeurs sures" à savoir :chateau(x) lac(s) curiosité(s) qui valent le detour sur mon trajet(var italie autriche) je me doute bien qu'on ne pourra pas tout faire; j'aimerais par votre biais aller au plus "interressant" meme si c'est du deja vu pour certains.
merci encore
J'ai fais un parcours semblable et cela vraiment en vaut la peine
France... les lacs... les dolomites en restant a ortesei (3 heures de routes des lacs) et un village etonnant en pays Ladin (c'est l'italie mais avec une architecture autrichienne, les costumes autrichiens, et une vue imprenable sur les dolomites) pour faire un peu de marche ils ont un des plateau alpage les plus grands en Europe accessible du telecabine qui marche en ete et qui vous donnera une vue 360 degre des motagnes). Le pays Ladin est etonnant ils sont italiens mais descendent de vielles tribues et se battent pour garder leur identite ( cela explique les costumes etc...)
et de la vous etes a deux heures de la frontiere autrichienne.
Cortina a cote a un cote plus moderne (station de ski)
Ce qui est facile dans ce coin les autoroutes sont toujours proches pour avaler les km mais des que vous prenez les petites routes le depaysement est complet.
J'espere que cela aide un peu bon voyage
Leave only footprints
Take only memories
bon...ben...
avec tout ça;ça devrait le faire je vais mixer un peu vos idées et commencer à tracer un trajet en réservant nos nuits d'hotel.
en tout cas merci à tous pour votre interet et vos réponses.😉
en tout cas merci à tous pour votre interet et vos réponses.😉
wahouuuu !!! ça y est !!!
on est donc partis du var et 550 kms plus tard première nuit à "riva del garda" sur le lac de garde (après la visite de "sirmione" ):que du bonheur !!! on y a passé deux jours(visite de malcesine et funiculaire) puis deux nuits prés de "rattenberg" ( petite virée vers "innsburg ;salzburg")et pour finir une nuit à "come" (visite de "bellagio").
on a fait en tout 2500 kms en 5 jours ça se fait bien mais c'est un peu long et comme certains me l'avaient conseillé les lacs auraient suffit. le périple entier a été super et : on a été emerveillés par le lac de garde son coté ludique et familial un peu moins par l'architecture et la nourriture "autrichienne" et neutres pour le lac de come dificilement accessible.
quoi qu'il en soit un grand merci à tous ceux qui se sont interressés à mon post et qui m'ont bien conseillé.
à bientot 😉
on est donc partis du var et 550 kms plus tard première nuit à "riva del garda" sur le lac de garde (après la visite de "sirmione" ):que du bonheur !!! on y a passé deux jours(visite de malcesine et funiculaire) puis deux nuits prés de "rattenberg" ( petite virée vers "innsburg ;salzburg")et pour finir une nuit à "come" (visite de "bellagio").
on a fait en tout 2500 kms en 5 jours ça se fait bien mais c'est un peu long et comme certains me l'avaient conseillé les lacs auraient suffit. le périple entier a été super et : on a été emerveillés par le lac de garde son coté ludique et familial un peu moins par l'architecture et la nourriture "autrichienne" et neutres pour le lac de come dificilement accessible.
quoi qu'il en soit un grand merci à tous ceux qui se sont interressés à mon post et qui m'ont bien conseillé.
à bientot 😉
manger de la choucroute ou du goulash sur le lac de garde ça fait partie des traditions séculaires locales , par contre la pizza , comme partout au nord de rome , était inconnue avant les années 50 ; la cuisine italienne n'a pas grand chose à voir avec les quelques plats basiques qu'on connait en france , tels les inénarrables spaghetti à la bolognaise ; alors qu'en italie , le ragu ( nom de la sauce bolognaise quand elle n'est pas bolognaise , comme c'est toujours le cas en france) assaisonne des tagliatelle
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I’d love to get your thoughts on the following itinerary (late May). I like to take my time in ruins and museums, and beaches don’t interest me. I’ll be staying in hostels and using public transport. Do you see any major omissions or things that aren’t worth it? Thanks!
Day 1: Arrival in CATANIA Day 2: Catania – visit (fish market, cathedral, Biscarri Palace, etc.) Day 3: Mount Etna (day trip)
Day 4: Morning trip to TAORMINA, visit the town Day 5: Alcantara Gorge (day trip) + more time in Taormina
Day 6: Trip to SYRACUSE, visit Ortigia Day 7: Ortigia Day 8: NOTO (day trip) (or another Baroque town?) Day 9: Syracuse Archaeological Park + more time in Ortigia (or leave for Enna?)
Day 10: Transport via Enna? TO BE RESOLVED (long, 2 or 3 changes, limited accommodation in Enna...)
Day 11: AGRIGENTO: town and Scala dei Turchi (optional) Day 12: Valley of the Temples + archaeological museum
Day 13: Departure for TRAPANI (4h), afternoon: town (+ salt flats?) Day 14: Segesta (day trip) + town/Erice Day 15: Monte Cofano Nature Reserve (hike + summit) (day trip) Day 16: Zingaro Nature Park (coastal route out, ridge route back) (day trip)
Day 17: Departure for the AEGADIAN ISLANDS: Levanzo and Favignana (bike), overnight if possible Day 18: Egadi Islands
Day 19: Departure for PALERMO + first visits Day 20: The city Day 21: The city (Monreale?) Day 22: Options: - Capo Gallo hike (3.5h round trip) (via Mondello) - Cefalù (45 min by train) Day 23: Return flight
I’d love to get your thoughts on the following itinerary (late May). I like to take my time in ruins and museums, and beaches don’t interest me. I’ll be staying in hostels and using public transport. Do you see any major omissions or things that aren’t worth it? Thanks!
Day 1: Arrival in CATANIA Day 2: Catania – visit (fish market, cathedral, Biscarri Palace, etc.) Day 3: Mount Etna (day trip)
Day 4: Morning trip to TAORMINA, visit the town Day 5: Alcantara Gorge (day trip) + more time in Taormina
Day 6: Trip to SYRACUSE, visit Ortigia Day 7: Ortigia Day 8: NOTO (day trip) (or another Baroque town?) Day 9: Syracuse Archaeological Park + more time in Ortigia (or leave for Enna?)
Day 10: Transport via Enna? TO BE RESOLVED (long, 2 or 3 changes, limited accommodation in Enna...)
Day 11: AGRIGENTO: town and Scala dei Turchi (optional) Day 12: Valley of the Temples + archaeological museum
Day 13: Departure for TRAPANI (4h), afternoon: town (+ salt flats?) Day 14: Segesta (day trip) + town/Erice Day 15: Monte Cofano Nature Reserve (hike + summit) (day trip) Day 16: Zingaro Nature Park (coastal route out, ridge route back) (day trip)
Day 17: Departure for the AEGADIAN ISLANDS: Levanzo and Favignana (bike), overnight if possible Day 18: Egadi Islands
Day 19: Departure for PALERMO + first visits Day 20: The city Day 21: The city (Monreale?) Day 22: Options: - Capo Gallo hike (3.5h round trip) (via Mondello) - Cefalù (45 min by train) Day 23: Return flight
Hello,
We’re heading to Bavaria from May 13 to 23, with a side trip to Austria.
Here’s our itinerary:
Day 1: Brussels-Munich
Day 2: Munich
Day 3: Munich and departure for Salzburg
We’ll be staying three nights in Salzburg.
Then we’ll head to Garmisch-Partenkirchen, where we’ll stay for five nights.
Visiting Munich and Salzburg isn’t too tricky.
Once in Garmisch, we’re planning a day in Innsbruck, a day for Neuschwanstein Castle, and the rest is still up in the air.
What’s really got me stumped is that we’d love to see Königssee Lake—everyone says it’s a must-see.
We’d also like to visit the Eagle’s Nest (Kehlsteinhaus), where the landscapes are supposedly stunning.
This would either be a round trip while we’re in Salzburg or on the way between Salzburg and Garmisch, but I’m guessing it’s impossible to do the drive from Salzburg to Garmisch, the Eagle’s Nest, *and* Königssee Lake all in one day.
Plus, the Alpine route between Salzburg and Garmisch seems prettier than the highway.
But honestly, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with the planning.
We should’ve added a stop between Salzburg and Garmisch, but the hotels are already booked.
Thanks for any advice on the itinerary and visits!
Another question: How far in advance should we book Neuschwanstein, Königssee, and the Eagle’s Nest in May?
Thanks so much in advance for your tips and ideas!
hi
I’ll be in Copenhagen this coming May for a few days.
Do you have any recommendations for things to visit?
If I had to pick one castle to visit, which one would it be?
I’m torn between: Rosenborg Castle, Amalienborg Palace, or Frederiksborg and Charlottenborg Palaces
Any suggestions?
Thanks
I’ll be in Copenhagen this coming May for a few days.
Do you have any recommendations for things to visit?
If I had to pick one castle to visit, which one would it be?
I’m torn between: Rosenborg Castle, Amalienborg Palace, or Frederiksborg and Charlottenborg Palaces
Any suggestions?
Thanks
hi
I’m wondering if anyone can give me some info on how to get from Mallorca to Menorca.
Since flights are cheaper to Mallorca, I’d like to go that way.
Thanks so much for your help!
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Finland and Norway this summer, starting in Oulu to explore Lapland, heading up to the North Cape, and then making our way down to Bergen.
This route means renting a car in Finland and dropping it off in Norway. My initial searches are showing rental rates that are... astronomical—about three times the price compared to returning it at the starting point.
I’m guessing I’m not the only one wanting to visit both countries. Are there any great tips to drastically reduce the cost of renting a car?
Thanks to the community for your suggestions!
We’re planning a trip to Finland and Norway this summer, starting in Oulu to explore Lapland, heading up to the North Cape, and then making our way down to Bergen.
This route means renting a car in Finland and dropping it off in Norway. My initial searches are showing rental rates that are... astronomical—about three times the price compared to returning it at the starting point.
I’m guessing I’m not the only one wanting to visit both countries. Are there any great tips to drastically reduce the cost of renting a car?
Thanks to the community for your suggestions!
Hi there, we’re a couple of bikers planning a trip to Majorca in June 2026, and I’d love to organize a half-day or full-day boat or catamaran outing. Which coast do you think is the nicest for this, and do you have any suggestions or personal experiences to share? Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
We’ll be staying in London for 3 nights in September.
Could you recommend a hotel near a tube station, at a good price, with fairly spacious rooms?
Thanks! 🌸
We’ll be staying in London for 3 nights in September.
Could you recommend a hotel near a tube station, at a good price, with fairly spacious rooms?
Thanks! 🌸
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there are any works in progress at Torcello, and if so, what type of works and how long they’re expected to last?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’m sharing my draft itinerary with you because I just booked our flight tickets, and I feel like it’s quite late in the season. So, I’d like to be sure about my stops before reserving the hotels. I’ll be traveling alone with my two adult children. We want to prioritize outdoor walks, avoid too many indoor visits (both for budget and preference), and not spend too much time on the road.
D1: Arrival at 9 AM in Malaga, day in Malaga and overnight stay D2: Head straight to Nerja (1-hour drive) and spend the night there D3: Head straight to Granada (1.5-hour drive), spend the day and night there D4: Granada. Visit the Alhambra (Nasrid Palaces tour at 5 PM) and spend the night D5: Head to Ronda (2.5-hour drive) and spend the night D6: White Villages and overnight in Ronda D7: Head straight to the Costa del Sol (e.g., Estepona), spend the day and night there D8: Return to Malaga to catch our flight
There you go! This itinerary takes into account that we’d like to do a circuit starting from Seville in a few years. That said, it’d be a shame to miss something doable from Malaga.
Questions: Since the Alhambra visit is only at 5 PM, and we’d already have the day to explore Granada, would arriving the day before be a mistake? Or should we skip this day and dedicate it elsewhere (Costa del Sol? Head toward Tabernas?)? The old town appeals to me, but maybe the Sacromonte neighborhood isn’t essential... Same question for Ronda: should we dedicate a full day to it, or combine Ronda and the White Villages in one day? Note that we love wandering around villages outside, so that might answer my question! :)
Final question: Is it better to rent the car at Malaga Airport or in the city? If we rent at the airport, we’d need a hotel with parking, which doesn’t seem easy. Or stay outside the city and park for free near the center if possible? I’ve read comments about taking a taxi to Malaga and then picking up the rental car at the airport the next morning. The taxi would really need to be affordable...
Thanks so much for your feedback and suggestions for visits during this little circuit. Have a great day, everyone! Christine
D1: Arrival at 9 AM in Malaga, day in Malaga and overnight stay D2: Head straight to Nerja (1-hour drive) and spend the night there D3: Head straight to Granada (1.5-hour drive), spend the day and night there D4: Granada. Visit the Alhambra (Nasrid Palaces tour at 5 PM) and spend the night D5: Head to Ronda (2.5-hour drive) and spend the night D6: White Villages and overnight in Ronda D7: Head straight to the Costa del Sol (e.g., Estepona), spend the day and night there D8: Return to Malaga to catch our flight
There you go! This itinerary takes into account that we’d like to do a circuit starting from Seville in a few years. That said, it’d be a shame to miss something doable from Malaga.
Questions: Since the Alhambra visit is only at 5 PM, and we’d already have the day to explore Granada, would arriving the day before be a mistake? Or should we skip this day and dedicate it elsewhere (Costa del Sol? Head toward Tabernas?)? The old town appeals to me, but maybe the Sacromonte neighborhood isn’t essential... Same question for Ronda: should we dedicate a full day to it, or combine Ronda and the White Villages in one day? Note that we love wandering around villages outside, so that might answer my question! :)
Final question: Is it better to rent the car at Malaga Airport or in the city? If we rent at the airport, we’d need a hotel with parking, which doesn’t seem easy. Or stay outside the city and park for free near the center if possible? I’ve read comments about taking a taxi to Malaga and then picking up the rental car at the airport the next morning. The taxi would really need to be affordable...
Thanks so much for your feedback and suggestions for visits during this little circuit. Have a great day, everyone! Christine




