Opinions on Azerbaijan Airlines and Uzbekistan Airways?
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Hi everyone,

For my round-trip flights between Milan and Tashkent, I have several airline options, with Turkish Airlines being the most familiar and offering plenty of combinations. But I’m also being offered an outbound flight with a layover in Baku via Azerbaijan Airlines and a direct return (7.5 hours without stretching my long legs 😱) with Uzbekistan Airways. I’m not a fan of flying at all (I feel uneasy when I’m not on solid ground, but it’s a necessary evil when you’re short on time). However, I’m tempted by the idea of trying these two airlines and getting a glimpse of Baku Airport.

Do you have any advice that could tip the scales toward curiosity or fear?

Catherine
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
LE Lescs Regular ·
The airlines mentioned aren't on the European blacklist, which provides a certain level of safety assurance. Have a great trip!
CS

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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi Catherine,

So... First, to follow up on the previous reply, in terms of safety, they’re all good airlines—no difference compared to major European carriers. I’ve never flown AZAL. What I know about them is that it’s a fairly expensive, high-end airline with Central Asian service quality. For these destinations, they use small planes, single-aisle aircraft, A320s. My experience in Uzbekistan is with domestic flights, but even there, they’re among the top-tier airlines. They’re very similar to Turkish Airlines in terms of service. Speaking of Turkish, by the way, they use old A330s on routes to Tashkent and Almaty. Old, but large planes, so generally a bit more comfortable than A320s. That’s where they phase out their aircraft, which, by the way, makes business class tickets affordable. Mutatis mutandis 😄 If it were me, I’d be cautious about a layover in Baku, given that the country has terrible relations with France—practically at war. So there’s some risk involved. Alternatively, you could secure an AZ e-visa in advance to cover yourself in case of major delays, incidents, or flight rescheduling. I think it costs around 20 €. Especially if you have Armenian stamps in your passport.

Michel
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Good evening and thank you both for your feedback.

Airbus planes, then—by far my preference over Tupolevs (are they still being built?) and Boeings that lose parts mid-flight.

I’ll have almost a 3-hour layover in Baku for a morning flight from MXP. The only issue is potential rescheduling, but I assume if I buy the ticket in one go directly from the airline, they’ll be responsible for rebooking the Baku-Tashkent leg too, right?

Cat
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi there,

Tupolev planes are still being built, but none of the airlines you mentioned use them.

Oh sure, they’ll put you on the next flight if there’s a problem or delay, but Baku-Tashkent flights with AZAL don’t run every day. You could end up stuck in Azerbaijan for 48 hours, so it’s best to plan for that. I’m not sure if they’d put you on another airline—Uzbekistan Airways is the most likely option in that case, though.

Michel
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hey Michel,

Is flight rescheduling common? (I just checked, and it’s a total mess if I can’t take the Baku-Tashkent flight right after—there’s nothing left that’ll get me to Uz in time for the night, so I’d miss the Tashkent-Khiva flight the next day.) Maybe TK at least for the outbound, even if your senior planes on that route don’t exactly thrill me...

Cat
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
And is flight rescheduling common?

No, but a delay of more than two hours on the Milan-Baku J2 36 flight is always possible.

Statistically, here’s what it looks like: https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-ontime-performance-rating/J2/36/MXP Last Sunday, for example, you might’ve had one, but just barely.

Don’t you like TK’s A330-200s either? 🤪 It alternates with an A321neo.

Michel
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Average delay of 30 minutes... in September-October. In February, you can have more difficult weather conditions over Lombardy...

I think if I want to be sure, it's better to go with TK, with a 3-hour layover, because if there's a delay, I have another flight 3 hours later that gets us in at dawn... Maybe it's still wiser to shift the Urgench flight to the evening... Hmm... I'm hesitating.

Don't you like TK's A330-200s either? 🤪

Did you see what you wrote about them? Old A330s. Old, but big planes, so in principle a bit more comfortable than the A320s. That's where their planes end up... Like they're senile and have Alzheimer's, not exactly appealing if you already don't like flying at all!😉

Catherine
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
LE Lescs Regular ·
I’ll let you draw your own conclusions after reading up on the transportation options you might consider.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistiques_d%27accidents_d%27avion
CS

www.lescs.fr
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi Christian,

But I know it’s a completely irrational fear! The animal in me just feels totally helpless in a metal box suspended way too far from the ground to even conceive of escaping if the need arises.

It’ll have to be TK out of necessity. By choice, it’d be Milan/Baku by train, then a ferry across the Caspian, and then... we’ll see.

Have a great day!

Catherine
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
LE Lescs Regular ·
A ferry to cross the Caspian—that’s where you’ll find the real deal. The ships date back to the 80s. For example, the ship "Professor Gul" we took in 2019—I’d rather not tell you about the state of the ship, the dorm, the bunks, or the communal dining area. It’s *far* from Mediterranean or Adriatic standards.

That said, the route these ships take between Baku and Aktau gives you access to the stunning Mangystau region in Kazakhstan. For a future trip! !
CS

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TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Good evening Catherine,

It’s funny, for me, the anxiety hits when I’m on a train. That thing that can only follow tracks without veering off, that traps and confines you if you haven’t reached a station, that can’t go around obstacles—it makes me uneasy. I don’t think I’ve taken a train in at least 7 or 8 years. Probably the Breton life, which turns trains into an anxiety leash. Some really bad experiences on the TGV Atlantique made me decide to turn the page on trains. A delay, a strike, a wild boar, a "person under a train," and you’ve lost everything. If I’m going to Roissy, it’s by car.

Besides, in Uzbekistan (UZ) or Kazakhstan (KZ), the fast trains are Spanish Talgos, I think. Having a fast train is great, but the tracks aren’t adapted—jolts, construction work, and that uncomfortable uncertainty of not knowing where you are. Not my thing.

With the ferry, you should also consider delays or unexpected issues, especially regarding visas. I’m not even sure you can currently leave Azerbaijan any other way than by air, so you might want to check that.

Michel
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi there,

It’s really far from Mediterranean or Adriatic standards.

Well, that’s traveling for you, huh? 😛

Michel (hi), okay, okay, we’ve been disagreeing on this for 20 years .

TK flights booked! Off to Uzbekistan. In winter...

Catherine
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
crash...

😕
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Yes Catherine, I was following concerns about that Baku-Grozny flight early this morning.

Michel
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hey Michel, It's more than just concerns—it crashed... (I loathe this mode of transport) Catherine
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
I understood, but it veered off course very sharply trying to reach Aktau, I think, before crashing just before. Not at sea. And there are survivors, apparently.

Michel
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
You’ve probably seen, at least in Italian media, videos of the emergency landing where the front part of the plane exploded on impact with the runway. We’re talking about 42 deaths, 28 survivors, 10 of whom are in critical condition.

Catherine 😕
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Good evening Catherine,

I’ve seen it, and it’s extremely—really, *extremely*—rare to have such clear images of the final minutes of this aircraft attempting an emergency landing in Aktau. It’s quite an incredible and moving document. The pilots truly pushed the limits to actually save a large portion of the passengers—those in the rear of the Embraer—it’s nothing short of a feat. AZAL had never lost a plane in the modern era. The investigation will reveal what caused the aircraft to become uncontrollable.

Michel
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi Michel,

The investigation will explain what caused the aircraft to become uncontrollable.

The Italian press is categorical this morning: the rear part of the aircraft was damaged by shrapnel from a Russian anti-aircraft missile that exploded just a few dozen meters from the plane as it was making one of its three failed landing attempts in Grozny in thick fog. What a nightmare of a flight...

Catherine
By this, and this only, we have existed. Which is not to be found in our obituaries. (T.S. Eliot)
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi Catherine,

I also saw those videos of the aircraft’s tail section—it’s not going to be easy to spot any traces of birds or insects there. The plane was targeted—a sad classic, unfortunately. We know the lingering doubts about the loss of a Caravelle between Nice and Corsica in 1968. It also makes more sense now why the crew headed toward Aktau; covering up the evidence won’t be possible anymore. That said, this isn’t a reason to distrust Azerbaijan Airlines—in fact, quite the opposite.

Michel

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