Un chapitre de la dernière édition du guide Myanmar du LP est consacré à cette question du boycott. Les pages PDF de cette section sont disponibles en téléchargement. Une façon de juger le pour et le contre : http://www.lonelyplanet.fr/_pdf/mya5_yaller.pdf En ce qui me concerne, je suis pour se rendre dans ce pays mais en rapportant au retour des témoignages de ce qui se passe réellement.
Birmanie: aller dans ce pays ou le boycotter?
by Clavdia
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Si la question de la Birmanie vous intéresse, je vous suggère de consulter le lien suivant qui vous permettra de vous décider en connaissance de cause sur l'opportunité ou non d'un voyage dans ce pays.
Un chapitre de la dernière édition du guide Myanmar du LP est consacré à cette question du boycott. Les pages PDF de cette section sont disponibles en téléchargement. Une façon de juger le pour et le contre : http://www.lonelyplanet.fr/_pdf/mya5_yaller.pdf En ce qui me concerne, je suis pour se rendre dans ce pays mais en rapportant au retour des témoignages de ce qui se passe réellement.
Un chapitre de la dernière édition du guide Myanmar du LP est consacré à cette question du boycott. Les pages PDF de cette section sont disponibles en téléchargement. Une façon de juger le pour et le contre : http://www.lonelyplanet.fr/_pdf/mya5_yaller.pdf En ce qui me concerne, je suis pour se rendre dans ce pays mais en rapportant au retour des témoignages de ce qui se passe réellement.
Merci Claudine,
Effectivement je trouve cette analyse du LP plutot bien faite. Après avoir longuement hésité, rencontré des voyageurs qui en viennent, et lu pas mal sur le net, je me suis décidé à y aller... J'espère y faire un carnet le plus riche possible pour faire parler un peu plus de ce pays que l'on oublie trop... Ce sera cet été, pendant la mousson ! 🙂
Quant à toi je te souhaite une belle découverte de l'Inde !
Effectivement je trouve cette analyse du LP plutot bien faite. Après avoir longuement hésité, rencontré des voyageurs qui en viennent, et lu pas mal sur le net, je me suis décidé à y aller... J'espère y faire un carnet le plus riche possible pour faire parler un peu plus de ce pays que l'on oublie trop... Ce sera cet été, pendant la mousson ! 🙂
Quant à toi je te souhaite une belle découverte de l'Inde !
Phil
Voyages du bout de mon pinceau...
je me pose actuellement la question. J'étais bien décidée à y aller mais le chapitre du LP (surtout avec le témoignages des femmes qui sont contre le régime totalitaire) m'a vraiment ébranlée. Surtout lorsque ces dernières nous demandent d'attendre que le pays deviennent démocratiques pour venir le visiter... Je me demande quoi faire lorsque l'on a entendu cet appel... Grosse question! Je crois que je vais prendre ma décision là-bas, peut-être je vais rencontrer des gens qui sauront m'éclairer sur la situation en Asie! laurence
ouais le lp, ce st une belle bande d hypocrites!!!
pourquoi ils font un guide sur la birmanie d apres vous, hein?
ils parlent de boycott et bla bla, mais des qu il y a des sous a se faire ils sont pas contre...
et grace a eux certains coins de birmanie sont deja envahis par les touristes, mais ca helas ce st pas qu en birmanie, ce st partout dans le monde, merci lonely planet d avoir cree un banana pancake trail et d avoir aide a pourrir tant de coins, ca ce st de l esprit de voyageur!!!!
Salut
Ce qu'il ressort tout de même, c'est que tous les opposants au régime en place ne sont pas d'accord au sujet du boycott.
Perso je viens d'aller là-bas pour une petite semaine seulement.
L'accueil est vraiment très chaleureux et les gens souriants.
Seulement quand tu vois la pauvreté à la campagne c'est difficile à raconter.
Donc c'est une affaire de comportement.
J'ai par exemple à ma modeste mesure décider de toujours laisser porter mon sac (direction taxi ou bus) ce qui permet de donner de l'argent sans faire l'aumône. Tu donnes 100 ou 200 et on te dit merci et qu'on est TRES content.
De ne pas vraiment marchander sauf un peu pour le jeu. D'accepter de payer ma bière 2 ou 3 fois plus cher selon l'endroit à la campagne. De payer le taxi indépendant un peu plus aussi même si sa voiture était archi pourrie.
D'écouter les gens raconter leur vie et leurs choix.
Quand tu vois dans la rue des enfants vendre des bricoles alors qu'ils devraient être à l'école, que faire ? La plupart semble quand même aller à l'école.
Quand tu en vois d'autres empierrer une route, à la main, caillou par caillou, entre 2 cordeaux tendus.
Un peu de tourisme apporte quand même un peu d'argent à ces gens quand tu choisis comment dépenser.
Des groupes commencent un peu à y venir (Allemands, Français et Italiens peu ou pas d'anglophones) mais je ne suis pas certain que ce type de voyage permette de s'assurer de la destination de son argent.
Bon voilà, je ne sais pas si c'est une réponse valide, mais je crois que j'y retournerai bientôt.
Michel
Bon voilà, je ne sais pas si c'est une réponse valide, mais je crois que j'y retournerai bientôt.
Michel
Cher naps,
jusqu'à preuve du contraire, le LP ne "se fait pas des sous" avec son guide sur la Birmanie. Il se fait des sous avec tous les guides sur tous les pays. D'ailleurs son analyse démontre bien que la rédaction se pose les questions justes. De toutes façons un guide est un guide et s'efforce surtout et avant tout de donner suffisamment d'informations aux touristes que nous sommes pour décider en connaissance de cause.
jusqu'à preuve du contraire, le LP ne "se fait pas des sous" avec son guide sur la Birmanie. Il se fait des sous avec tous les guides sur tous les pays. D'ailleurs son analyse démontre bien que la rédaction se pose les questions justes. De toutes façons un guide est un guide et s'efforce surtout et avant tout de donner suffisamment d'informations aux touristes que nous sommes pour décider en connaissance de cause.
Salut
Juste un conseil, si tu attends que le pays soit démocratique pour venir le visiter, j'espere que tu es bouddhiste car ce sera pour une de tes prochaines vies. Que personne ne se trompe, si vous pensez à "democratique" comme chez vous, au mieux, ce sera "democratique" à la chinoise! Je vous raconte la derniere que j'ai eu la semaine derniere. De toute façon ceux qui prendraient la place ( l'opposition ) sont au moins aussi incapable que ceux qui sont en place. Dixit le responsable d'une organisation internationale très importante et bien implantée sur place depuis longtemps. De quoi vous rejouir, non? @+
Juste un conseil, si tu attends que le pays soit démocratique pour venir le visiter, j'espere que tu es bouddhiste car ce sera pour une de tes prochaines vies. Que personne ne se trompe, si vous pensez à "democratique" comme chez vous, au mieux, ce sera "democratique" à la chinoise! Je vous raconte la derniere que j'ai eu la semaine derniere. De toute façon ceux qui prendraient la place ( l'opposition ) sont au moins aussi incapable que ceux qui sont en place. Dixit le responsable d'une organisation internationale très importante et bien implantée sur place depuis longtemps. De quoi vous rejouir, non? @+
Salut
De toutes façons si on décide de ne visiter que les pays démocratiques au sens européen ou américain du terme on peut aussi décider de rester à la maison et le problème est réglé.
Faites donc une liste des pays honorables... elle va être courte. Est-ce qu'on y met les Etats Unis ?
Pas facile hein !
Michel
Michel
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Pour ma part c'est non! surtout avec le fou qu'ils ont à leur tête. Pour moi c'est pas tellement mieux que les barges qu'on a ici!
Pour ma part c'est non! surtout avec le fou qu'ils ont à leur tête. Pour moi c'est pas tellement mieux que les barges qu'on a ici!
ce que je voulais dire sur laundry pas nette cest que ou ils boycottent et dans ce cas ils font pas de guide,
ou ils boycottent pas mais dans ce cas faut pas se la jouer humaniste et parler de boycott dans ses pages.
perso je suis pas pour le boycott, boycotter ne changera rien et puis en y allant independemment on peut depenser une grande partie de son argent chez les petits buziness locaux qui profiteront donc du tourisme.
y aller c'est un espoir d'ouverture, , boycotter c'est faire le jeux des militaires, , donc y aller mais faire un peut attention a qui on laisse ses euros, , et attention c'est bien que de se faire des amis, , mais apres votre départ ils passent devant la police militaire, , donc être prudent a ce que on dit, ,
a titre d'exemple j'ai perdu un assistant birman, ( mort en prison ) la cause, , être de mèche avec thuan, ,
mais OUI aller, , et comme la Thailande il y a une autoroute, , on peut y sortir, , faite le, ,
photo une naga va faire son shoping,


« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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naps, naps, naps !!!
As-tu au moins lu le chapitre que le LP a consacré à cette question ? Je ne pense pas car tu aurais remarqué que le LP ne défend aucune des deux positions. Il pose simplement le pour et le contre et nous laisse la liberté de choisir ce que personnellement je trouve positif.
Il y a quelques années, le LP anglais avait été violemment attaqué par une association des droits de l'homme basée en Grande Bretagne et qui trouvait scandaleux qu'un guide de voyage soit consacré à ce pays.
Surtout ne pas boycotter ce pays, au derniere nouvelle il ne demande meme plus de changer les 300 dollards a l'entree.
Les locaux ont besoin du tourisme. Je garde un super souvenir de ce peuple chaleureux il y a 5 ans.
Les locaux ont besoin du tourisme. Je garde un super souvenir de ce peuple chaleureux il y a 5 ans.
"Moins le blanc est intélligent, plus le noir lui paraît bête"
Bonjour.Je suis rentré le 3/02 de Birmanie, ou jai ete en 97, 98, 99.A mon avis il ne faut pas boycotter le pays et en tant que voyageur independant on ne donne que peu d argent a la junte.Comme le dit Thuan il faut faire attention a ce que l on dit au gens et ceci pour leur securité.Si on attend que le pays se libere pour le visiter je pense que sera long: " un jour cela changera" c est ce que m ont dit des Birmans.Depuis mon premier voyage l evolution du pays est imperceptible dans ses infrastructures routieres, hospitalieres et tout ce qui touche a l etat.Le niveau de vie des birman a diminué tres nettement mais pas leurs sourires et leur gentillesse.Les gens ont aussi plus de facilité a critiquer leur gouvernement.A boycotter un pays je choisirai les etats unis ou la chine.mais il s agit d un avis personnel.Patrice
que serait on sans le voyage
Moi ce qui me choque le plus dans cette "affaire" c'est que les voyageurs ou le LP se posent la question "d'y aller ou pas" quasi uniquement que pour ce pays.....bien d'autres pays (Iran, Chine.....) mériteraient aussi qu'on s'y intérroge.....mais c'est apparemment pas dans l'air du temps !
« Le véritable voyage de découverte ne consiste pas à chercher de nouveaux paysages, mais à avoir de nouveaux yeux. » (Marcel Proust)
Qu'en sais-tu ? Je me pose cette question chaque fois que je voyage mais en ce qui concerne la Birmanie, chère à mon coeur, c'est vrai que j'en parle plus que de Cuba ou de Haiti, bien que la situation dans ces pays, pour ne parler que de ceux-ci, soit dramatique. Ayant travaillé des années dans des organisation non gouvernementale des droits de l'homme, j'ai vu le pire en matière de non respect des valeurs fondamentales de l'être humain, alors.....
bravo Michelde,
voilà un témoignage qui nous change singulièrement du discours convenu de ces routards qui n'arrêtent pas de dénigrer les touristes, les coins à touristes, les pièges à touristes...sous-entendu qu'il n'y a qu'eux qui savent voyager parce qu'ils s'en sortent avec 10 euros/jour et qu'ils négocient tout et marchandent partout.
Moi aussi j'ai parfois l'impression de payer mon repas 3 fois le prix, de mettre la main à la poche en permanence, mais je me dis que c'est la moindre des choses...pour recevoir il faut aussi savoir donner.
Ouaip, suis assez d’accord avec naps.
Les guides et l’étique, c’est deux poids deux mesures : ils se sont tous lancés dans une espèce de guerres dans l’industrie du guide du voyage ; la seule chose qui compte maintenant, c’est de vendre le plus possible. Comme en témoigne les ré-rééditions complètement honteuses qui n’apportent absolument rien de plus (si j’oubliai, une nouvelle couverture et de nouvelles photos). 25 euros pour ça, faut quand même pas prendre les gens pour des c…………. Pour le Lonely Planet, je parle ici surtout de l’exemple que je connais bien : le guide du Vietnam.
Ensuite, au sujet du boycott ou pas de la Birmanie, c’est quand même pas terrible non plus. (Ce n’est que mon avis totalement subjectif).
D’abord les autorités birmanes acceptent la présence des routards sur que quelques sites bien choisis. Les guides jouent ici pleinement le jeu des autorités birmanes en proposant le fameux itinéraire « banana paincake » qui correspond parfaitement à celui de la junte (mais bon c’est normal, les guides ne vont pas nous envoyer au casse-pipe dans des endroits interdits).
Ensuite la junte n’a ABSOLUMENT rien à faire du boycott des routards. C’est vraiment le dernier de leur souci.
Les autorités on choisies de se faire des tunes sur des trafics en tout genre (bois, métaux, drogues, etc.), les bakchichs et pots-de-vin (je parle ici des gros sous demandés aux entreprises qui veulent exploiter les immenses ressources du pays, pas de quelques cacahuètes, de la corruption à grande échelle quoi) ; bref, ils ont choisies de construire une économie en totale opposition avec le modèle de développement libéralisé (dont l’industrie du tourisme fait bien évidemment partie). Le tourisme rapporte quelques devises (d’un montant bien sûr dérisoire comparé à l’argent des trafics) et permet de montrer à la communauté internationale une toute petite ouverture sur le monde (et vue les conditions dans lesquelles cela se déroule…). Mais ce qui préoccupe davantage la junte, c’est de s’enrichir via les trafics, d’asseoir son autorité sur l’ensemble de son territoire et de pas se sentir menacé par les américains. Tout ceci explique le déplacement récent de la capitale à 300 Km dans les terres.
Bref, la question du boycott des routards est à mon avis un NON SENS, vue que la junte assume totalement le fait de s’isoler du reste du monde, et que la mondialisation des trafics (qui elle ne tient pas compte des embargos) leur permet parfaitement d’avoir fait ce choix… Les autorités peuvent comme bon leur semble fermer du jour au lendemain la porte du pays au touristes -- au détriment des populations locales. Et c’est pas les trois francs six sous des routards qui vont empêcher quoi que ce soit… Ni l’image que cela donnerait au pays au point où ils en sont !! Il faut quand même continuer d’aller en Birmanie pour refuser d’oublier que la majeure partie de la population de ce pays souffre d’un régime totalitaire. Et de rendre compte, à notre mesure, de cette énorme injustice…
Les guides et l’étique, c’est deux poids deux mesures : ils se sont tous lancés dans une espèce de guerres dans l’industrie du guide du voyage ; la seule chose qui compte maintenant, c’est de vendre le plus possible. Comme en témoigne les ré-rééditions complètement honteuses qui n’apportent absolument rien de plus (si j’oubliai, une nouvelle couverture et de nouvelles photos). 25 euros pour ça, faut quand même pas prendre les gens pour des c…………. Pour le Lonely Planet, je parle ici surtout de l’exemple que je connais bien : le guide du Vietnam.
Ensuite, au sujet du boycott ou pas de la Birmanie, c’est quand même pas terrible non plus. (Ce n’est que mon avis totalement subjectif).
D’abord les autorités birmanes acceptent la présence des routards sur que quelques sites bien choisis. Les guides jouent ici pleinement le jeu des autorités birmanes en proposant le fameux itinéraire « banana paincake » qui correspond parfaitement à celui de la junte (mais bon c’est normal, les guides ne vont pas nous envoyer au casse-pipe dans des endroits interdits).
Ensuite la junte n’a ABSOLUMENT rien à faire du boycott des routards. C’est vraiment le dernier de leur souci.
Les autorités on choisies de se faire des tunes sur des trafics en tout genre (bois, métaux, drogues, etc.), les bakchichs et pots-de-vin (je parle ici des gros sous demandés aux entreprises qui veulent exploiter les immenses ressources du pays, pas de quelques cacahuètes, de la corruption à grande échelle quoi) ; bref, ils ont choisies de construire une économie en totale opposition avec le modèle de développement libéralisé (dont l’industrie du tourisme fait bien évidemment partie). Le tourisme rapporte quelques devises (d’un montant bien sûr dérisoire comparé à l’argent des trafics) et permet de montrer à la communauté internationale une toute petite ouverture sur le monde (et vue les conditions dans lesquelles cela se déroule…). Mais ce qui préoccupe davantage la junte, c’est de s’enrichir via les trafics, d’asseoir son autorité sur l’ensemble de son territoire et de pas se sentir menacé par les américains. Tout ceci explique le déplacement récent de la capitale à 300 Km dans les terres.
Bref, la question du boycott des routards est à mon avis un NON SENS, vue que la junte assume totalement le fait de s’isoler du reste du monde, et que la mondialisation des trafics (qui elle ne tient pas compte des embargos) leur permet parfaitement d’avoir fait ce choix… Les autorités peuvent comme bon leur semble fermer du jour au lendemain la porte du pays au touristes -- au détriment des populations locales. Et c’est pas les trois francs six sous des routards qui vont empêcher quoi que ce soit… Ni l’image que cela donnerait au pays au point où ils en sont !! Il faut quand même continuer d’aller en Birmanie pour refuser d’oublier que la majeure partie de la population de ce pays souffre d’un régime totalitaire. Et de rendre compte, à notre mesure, de cette énorme injustice…
Il pose simplement le pour et le contre et nous laisse la liberté de choisir ce que personnellement je trouve positif.
ouais, la liberte...d acheter leur guide bien sur!! faut faire feu de tout bois m'sieurs dames!!!! j aime pas l omni palette(mais vous l aviez remarque:-))))
de toute maniere si on sait voyager on n a pas besoin de ce truc.
les infos principales genre las points d interets dans un pays ca se trouve sur internet, et pour les adresses d hotels pourquoi aps faire comme au bon vieux temps, ce st a dire demander aux autres voyageurs?
ouais, le bon vieux tempsaaps si eloigne que ca d ailleurs)ou on se parlait entre voyageurs et ou on s echangeait des infos.
pas comme maintenant ou tout le monde a le nez dans ce torchon et a peur d en devier d une ligne...
j aime bien le:
mais ce st pas ecrit dans mon lp...
je ne suis pas d'accord, , le LP dans certain pays sert bien de papier Cul ......
oui ce n'est pas nécessaire, , cela individualise encore plus les voyageurs, , qui est le contraire du voyage, , pour ce qui est du net, , un jour j'ai vu dans bkk le piaf sortit son fichier NET et ses plans, , il n'était pas du tout perdu,
oui ce n'est pas nécessaire, , cela individualise encore plus les voyageurs, , qui est le contraire du voyage, , pour ce qui est du net, , un jour j'ai vu dans bkk le piaf sortit son fichier NET et ses plans, , il n'était pas du tout perdu,
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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En réponse à Boubou 2002
Salut
Je suis d'accord sur l'analyse que tu fais en rapport du tourisme ici par contre pour la nouvelle capitale, je ne suis pas d'accord avec toi car à mon avis, il y serait beaucoup plus facile de monter une operation avec moins de risque pour la population qu'à Yangon. Ceci de toute façon restant pour moi impossible vu le grand voisin du nord- est Une autre chose aussi, et ceci etant reconnu sur le terrain par l'ONU, il y a beaucoup moins de production de pavot à ce jour et j'ai lu un article sur internet il n'y a pas très longtemp de specialiste de L'ONU qui se poser la question du bienfait de l'eradication trop rapide des cultures de pavot car cela mettait en danger de sous alimentation la population de certaines régions. Les gens n'ayant plus de revenus pour se nourrir pendant la moitié de l'année. Tu ecris: la junte n'a ABSOLUMENT rien à faire du boycott des routards. je rajouterais pas seulement des routards!
Cordialement
Salut
Je suis d'accord sur l'analyse que tu fais en rapport du tourisme ici par contre pour la nouvelle capitale, je ne suis pas d'accord avec toi car à mon avis, il y serait beaucoup plus facile de monter une operation avec moins de risque pour la population qu'à Yangon. Ceci de toute façon restant pour moi impossible vu le grand voisin du nord- est Une autre chose aussi, et ceci etant reconnu sur le terrain par l'ONU, il y a beaucoup moins de production de pavot à ce jour et j'ai lu un article sur internet il n'y a pas très longtemp de specialiste de L'ONU qui se poser la question du bienfait de l'eradication trop rapide des cultures de pavot car cela mettait en danger de sous alimentation la population de certaines régions. Les gens n'ayant plus de revenus pour se nourrir pendant la moitié de l'année. Tu ecris: la junte n'a ABSOLUMENT rien à faire du boycott des routards. je rajouterais pas seulement des routards!
Cordialement
Je propose qu'on elimine tous ceux qui utilisent le Lp dans leurs voyages ayant ainsi zappe les agences de voyages occidentales et il restera enfin de la place pour les puristes grincheux ressassant leur glorieux passe d'authentiques routards, a la difference des touristeux (pour ne pas dire galeux)!
"Le patriotisme c'est l'esclavage"
TOLSTOI
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ce st pas une mauvause idee flamand, et comme ca ceux qui resteront se parleront entre eux, s echangeront des infos, demanderont des conseils aux locaux.
oui, ca serait cool, plutot que de voir des hordes de blaireaux le nez dans leur bouquin qui ne parlent a personne et ne disent meme pas hello.
bon alors on commence par toi le flamand?
Il est bien connu que ceux qui achètent et/ou se déplacent avec un LP sont tous des moutons qui ne dévient pas d'une ligne des itinéraires tracés par le guide. Personne ne serait assez fou pour acquérir un tel livre uniquement pour ses conseils et informations pratiques générales, ainsi que quelques suggestions d'adresses et de lieux à visiter.
Personnellement, c'est vrai que quand je visite un lieu le nez plongé dans mon bouquin, je trouve insupportable que des importuns viennent troubler ma lecture avec des "hello" ou des "where are you from". Je pense que les lieux touristiques, c'est comme les bibliothèques, on devrait interdire au gens de déranger ceux qui lisent.
Personnellement, c'est vrai que quand je visite un lieu le nez plongé dans mon bouquin, je trouve insupportable que des importuns viennent troubler ma lecture avec des "hello" ou des "where are you from". Je pense que les lieux touristiques, c'est comme les bibliothèques, on devrait interdire au gens de déranger ceux qui lisent.
pas tous yang, mais les 3/4 helas.
et ca a tue la communication entre voyageurs, ce qui est bien dommage(pour moi en tout cas, peut etre pas pour toi apparemment).
maintenant quand tu vas demander une info a un type il te regarde avce des grands yeux:
mais ce st ecrit dans le lp!!
et si tu dis que t en a pas il te prend pour un tare.
C'est drole d'avoir une vision si reductrice voir limitee pour quelqu'un qui fustige les utilisateurs de guides (meme occasionnels) a qui il reproche de n'avoir le nez que dedans et qui est donc cense par rapport a eux avoir une ouverture d'esprit superieure.........Be ouais gars, il m'est arrive de chopper des infos dans le Lp qui m'ont bien depanne ce qui aussi le cas de routards ou de voyageurs plus touristes qui n'en sont pas plus des blaireaux ou des allienes mentaux. Je n'ai pas pour autant le nez colle dedans oubliant l'autre source d'info que je pratique depuis plus de 20 ans a savoir le bouche a oreille!
"Le patriotisme c'est l'esclavage"
TOLSTOI
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flamand bleu, je crois que tu m as mal compris.
bien sur qu il y a des bonnes infos dans le lp, mais ce st justement ca que je lui reproche:
de donner trop d infos et d avoir rendu accessible trop d endroits avec les degats qu on peut observer.
un guidebook, ca ne devrait rien comporter de plus que quelques infos generales, des adresses d hotels dans les grandes villes et une partie historico-politico-economique.
il y a aussi le fait qu il y a beaucoup moins de communication entre les voyageurs vu qu ils ont tous ce bouquin.
tu dis voyager depuis 20 ans, ben t as pas vu une certaine evolution justement?
Ouais ouais, quand je parcourais vf en tant que visiteur, il y'avait deja ce debat et franchement je ne peux pas trancher categoriquement dans un sens ou dans l'autre car si on gratte un peu et si on se pose sur ce theme a tete reposee, les deux positions (voir trois) peuvent etre alimentees en arguments qui se tiennent tout autant les uns que les autres, sans que l'une des parties ne soit plus allienee que l'autre! C'est le meme debat avec l'arrivee des moyens de transports et de communications dans des endroits retires du monde jusqu'a il y a peu............!
"Le patriotisme c'est l'esclavage"
TOLSTOI
www.associationpasdb.com
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Ouen, quand on prend connaissance de tous les messages de la discussion lancée par Clavdia on se rend compte que lles écrits ont pris une autre direction on ne parle plus si on doit aller en Birmanie ou le boycotter mais des téteux qui utilisent le LP et de ceux qui font du tourisme banana ou quoi encore.
Heureusement qu'il y a des MicheleD, FlamandBleu et Thuan car les écrits de Naps sont plutôt dénigrants vis à vis les moutons qui utilisent le LP ou autre guide du genre. Bien Naps dis-toi ben une chose, que même si j'utilise un LP je n'en suis pas moutonne pour autant. Déjà de se rendre à l'autre bout monde (je pars de Québec) en routard c'est déjà être différent de autres. Pis c'est pas parce qu'on lit ou consulte un LP qu'on parle pas à personne. La modération a bien meilleure goût, presse je devrais plutôt écrire...
Pour ma part, je me rend au Myanmar en mars prochain. Avant de faire mon choix, je me suis aussi posée la question à savoir de boycotter ce pays mais j'en suis venue à la conclusion que ce sont les Birmans que je boycotterai en faisant cela. Je crois qu'en utilisant les services privés je peux apporter un peu à ce pays. Si je devais choisir de boycotter un pays, ce serait sûrment les États-Unis. Pas besoin d'aller en Birmanie pour voir des droits humains baffoués. Juste à aller au Wall Mart du coin.
Heureusement qu'il y a des MicheleD, FlamandBleu et Thuan car les écrits de Naps sont plutôt dénigrants vis à vis les moutons qui utilisent le LP ou autre guide du genre. Bien Naps dis-toi ben une chose, que même si j'utilise un LP je n'en suis pas moutonne pour autant. Déjà de se rendre à l'autre bout monde (je pars de Québec) en routard c'est déjà être différent de autres. Pis c'est pas parce qu'on lit ou consulte un LP qu'on parle pas à personne. La modération a bien meilleure goût, presse je devrais plutôt écrire...
Pour ma part, je me rend au Myanmar en mars prochain. Avant de faire mon choix, je me suis aussi posée la question à savoir de boycotter ce pays mais j'en suis venue à la conclusion que ce sont les Birmans que je boycotterai en faisant cela. Je crois qu'en utilisant les services privés je peux apporter un peu à ce pays. Si je devais choisir de boycotter un pays, ce serait sûrment les États-Unis. Pas besoin d'aller en Birmanie pour voir des droits humains baffoués. Juste à aller au Wall Mart du coin.
Renée
Salut Je ne crois pas qu'il y ait autant d'info dans les guides, ils se contentent des grandes lignes et arrivent tous à un produit assez formaté finalement. Je les trouve quand même bien utiles pour une première approche. A chacun ensuite s'il a assez de temps de sortir des "sentiers battus".
Un exemple, je commence à bien connaître KL et bien je peux te dire que les vrais bons coups ne sont pas dans les guides que j'ai pu avoir entre les mains bons restau, bons endroits pour sortir, pour écouter de la musique, pour acheter, pour se balader... chacun ayant ses propres critères bien sûr et les miens n'étant sans doute pas ceux de chacun d'entre vous.
Michel
Michel
Bon, ce n'est certainement pas moi qui vais m'amuser à donner des leçons de morale, puisque je n'en ai pas (je serais prêt à aller à peu près n'importe où, sans me poser de questions éthiques).
Mais quand même, quand je vois qu'on place les Etats Unis à égalité, voire même en dessous de la Birmanie en ce qui concerne le respect des Droits de l'Homme, je tique. A tous ceux qui cautionnent ce genre de discours: vous croyez REELLEMENT que les Droits de l'Homme sont mieux respectés en Birmanie qu'aux Etats Unis, ou bien ce sont juste des effets de manche?
Mais quand même, quand je vois qu'on place les Etats Unis à égalité, voire même en dessous de la Birmanie en ce qui concerne le respect des Droits de l'Homme, je tique. A tous ceux qui cautionnent ce genre de discours: vous croyez REELLEMENT que les Droits de l'Homme sont mieux respectés en Birmanie qu'aux Etats Unis, ou bien ce sont juste des effets de manche?
C'est pour çà, j'ai rencontré tout un groupe d'américains en Birmanie, ils voulaient sans doute comparer...
bien vu yang!!!
les usa, la patrie des droits de l homme?
mon oeil...
ce st meme pas une democratie vu qu il n y a pas de gauche.
mais bon, on va encore m accuser de faire deriver le debat.
pour la birmanie franchemment je ne pense pas qu il faille la boycotter, parce que:
deja comme ca a ete dit plus haut le gouvernement s en fout,
qu ensuite les gens sont tres sympas et que nos sous de touristes s ils sont bien depenses atterrissent dans leur poche,
et que le fait qu il y ait des touristes oblige le gouvernement a ne pas trop mal se comporter la ou sont les touristes justement, et ce st deja pas mal...
Bien que je ne connaisse ni ne m'intéresse à la Birmanie, je pense qu'il y a beaucoup de vrai dans ce que tu dis sur ce pays, mais sur les USA... hum...
Que les USA ne soient pas le pays au monde où les droits de l'homme soient le mieux respectés, je veux bien en convenir, mais là n'est pas la question. Plusieurs intervenants sur ce fil ont laissé entendre que la situation dans les deux pays était comparable, voire pire aux USA. J'ai trouvé cela particulièrement amusant.
Et de dire que les USA ne sont pas une démocratie car il n'y a pas de gauche... Je crois que celle-là je vais me la réserver pour mon petit bêtisier personnel. Merci. 😉
Que les USA ne soient pas le pays au monde où les droits de l'homme soient le mieux respectés, je veux bien en convenir, mais là n'est pas la question. Plusieurs intervenants sur ce fil ont laissé entendre que la situation dans les deux pays était comparable, voire pire aux USA. J'ai trouvé cela particulièrement amusant.
Et de dire que les USA ne sont pas une démocratie car il n'y a pas de gauche... Je crois que celle-là je vais me la réserver pour mon petit bêtisier personnel. Merci. 😉
Si tu aimes la Corée du Nord, tu devrais t' intéresser à la Birmanie...
On ne peut pas tout aimer. Moi je serais plutôt tendance Turkménistan en ce moment. 😛
Salut
Comme personne d'autre que moi dans ce fil n'a utilisé en même temps les mots "démocratiques" et Etats Unis" dans une même réponse, j'en déduis que ces propos me sont adressés. Me trompé-je ?
Il me semblait, à tort sans doute, qu'un juriste devait être capable de saisir le sens d'un mot, voire d'une phrase et peut être même ce qu'elle suggère étant en principe formé à la réthorique.
Une explication de texte est-elle nécessaire ? Quelle est la valeur d'un point à la fin d'une phrase ? Donner un sens européen et américain au mot démocratique exclut-il les Etats-Unis ? Faire la différence entre le mot démocratique et le mot honorable ne me semble pas requérir de compétences particulières ? Suggérer que l'honorabilité du comportement des dirigeants US n'est pas au-dessus de tout soupçon, je laisse deviner.
C'est ton discours et lui seul qui crée un amalgame. Cela relèverait-il d'une espèce de mauvaise foi revencharde trouvant son origine dans certains de nos échanges passés ? Je trouverais ceci assez amusant.
Michel
Comme personne d'autre que moi dans ce fil n'a utilisé en même temps les mots "démocratiques" et Etats Unis" dans une même réponse, j'en déduis que ces propos me sont adressés. Me trompé-je ?
Il me semblait, à tort sans doute, qu'un juriste devait être capable de saisir le sens d'un mot, voire d'une phrase et peut être même ce qu'elle suggère étant en principe formé à la réthorique.
Une explication de texte est-elle nécessaire ? Quelle est la valeur d'un point à la fin d'une phrase ? Donner un sens européen et américain au mot démocratique exclut-il les Etats-Unis ? Faire la différence entre le mot démocratique et le mot honorable ne me semble pas requérir de compétences particulières ? Suggérer que l'honorabilité du comportement des dirigeants US n'est pas au-dessus de tout soupçon, je laisse deviner.
C'est ton discours et lui seul qui crée un amalgame. Cela relèverait-il d'une espèce de mauvaise foi revencharde trouvant son origine dans certains de nos échanges passés ? Je trouverais ceci assez amusant.
Michel
Cher Michelde,
Je te remercie beaucoup pour ton message pour lequel tu as incontestablement fait un bel effort d'argumentation. Cependant, je suis désolé de te décevoir, mais tu n'étais pas concerné par mes messages. Relis bien le fil, il y a une intervention qui correspond parfaitement à ce que j'ai décrit, et une autre (faisant suite à la tienne) qui, si je la comprends bien (mais peut-être me trompé-je), est de la même trempe.
Aussi étrange que cela puisse te paraitre, je n'ai rien à redire à tes propos, et étais même plutôt d'accord avec eux.
Je te remercie beaucoup pour ton message pour lequel tu as incontestablement fait un bel effort d'argumentation. Cependant, je suis désolé de te décevoir, mais tu n'étais pas concerné par mes messages. Relis bien le fil, il y a une intervention qui correspond parfaitement à ce que j'ai décrit, et une autre (faisant suite à la tienne) qui, si je la comprends bien (mais peut-être me trompé-je), est de la même trempe.
Aussi étrange que cela puisse te paraitre, je n'ai rien à redire à tes propos, et étais même plutôt d'accord avec eux.
Salut
Alors autant pour moi !! Désolé de t'avoir réveillé.
Michel
Alors autant pour moi !! Désolé de t'avoir réveillé.
Michel
Aucun problème 🙂
De toute façon, ce soir c'est la Fête des Lanternes. Pétards et feux d'artifices à gogo partout en ville. C'est largement suffisant pour se tenir éveillé. 😎
De toute façon, ce soir c'est la Fête des Lanternes. Pétards et feux d'artifices à gogo partout en ville. C'est largement suffisant pour se tenir éveillé. 😎
Salut
Ici aussi c'est la fête, danse du lion, pétards ...
Et en plus c'est le Thaipusam indien
Toujours la fête en Asie. Toutes les occasions sont bonnes.
Heureusement j'habite un peu à l'écart.
Michel
Michel
- Et de dire que les USA ne sont pas une démocratie car il n'y a pas de gauche... Je crois que celle-là je vais me la réserver pour mon petit bêtisier personnel. Merci. 😉
ouais ben ta reaction pourrait aussi entrer dans mon betisier, ma definition de la democratie ce st que toutes les composantes politiques sont representees, et quand y a pas de gauche ni d extreme gauche ben ce st pas une democratie... remarque tu vis en chine, alors la democratie tu connais pour sur!!!!😎
ouais ben ta reaction pourrait aussi entrer dans mon betisier, ma definition de la democratie ce st que toutes les composantes politiques sont representees, et quand y a pas de gauche ni d extreme gauche ben ce st pas une democratie... remarque tu vis en chine, alors la democratie tu connais pour sur!!!!😎
Be dis donc, t'en a mis du temps a reagir...........! Je t'ai connu (surtout en tant que visiteur) plus veloce! Serait ce le poids des annees sur VF !!?😛
"Le patriotisme c'est l'esclavage"
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tiens le flamand, je me doutais bien que tu allais promener ton bec par ici.
toi aussi tu fais partie du club anti naps pas vrai?
toi aussi tu attends la moindre occaz pour me faire avoir tort?
enchante...
j ai vu tes repliques eclairees sur d autres sujets du forum ou j etais intervenu mais tu vois, j ai pas reagi.
decu?
Ah, tu me rassures...............! C'est qu'il faut prendre soin des anciens!!!😉
"Le patriotisme c'est l'esclavage"
TOLSTOI
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"C'est qu'il faut prendre soin des anciens!!!😉 "
t as raison, a commencer par toi le venerable flamand qui voyage depuis 20 ans!!!!😎
au fait c etait bien koh lipe?
apres 20 ans d experiences de voyage ca doit faire plaisir d aller dans un tel endroit, c est d ailleurs marrant que tu y sois pas alle avant!😎
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Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
Hi everyone, I’m looking to do a 15-day Muay Thai training course. Any great places to recommend? Thanks
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
Hi,
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
hi everyone,
I want to travel in the north for 3 weeks in September-October 2026 to meet ethnic minorities, photograph mountain rice terraces and their harvest, and revisit Halong Bay—but maybe Lan Ha Bay instead. Can you recommend one or more local agencies?
Thanks, and happy holidays!
Hello,
We’re a couple looking for a driver for 10 days to explore Northern Vietnam in April.
Best regards,
Hi there,
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
Hi! I’m planning a 15-day trip to Malaysia. The idea is to visit KL for 2 or 3 days, then Borneo, and I’m wondering what to do with the rest of the time. I’d like to finish with the Perhentian Islands... What do you think? Any tips or advice would be great—I’d really appreciate it!
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for addresses for guesthouses or, even better, houseboats or rafting houses on the River Kwai, between Kanchanaburi and Sangkhlaburi, to spend a few weeks contemplating this beautiful river.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Premaria
Hi there,
we’re currently in Mai Chau and tomorrow we’re hitting the road back to Hanoi to head up toward Bac Ha and Sapa.
We haven’t really had a set plan since we arrived—we’ve already done the Halong Bay on land and by sea.
I’ve got 2 free days before heading to Bac Ha and Sapa.
Any tips?
Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you.
Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.
Hey everyone,
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.







