J'ai à peu près déterminé mon parcours ( WDH-Waterberg-Etosha-Epupa-Sesfontein-Grootberg-Brandberg-Océan-WDH) et je me suis aperçue que vu l'offre réduite de logements (et les prix...enfin le rapport qualité prix), j'allais alterner camping et lodge.
Je me demande donc laquelle de ces 2 options est la plus pratique :
Le bon vieux toyot avec tente sur le toit
ou
Le même toyot mais avec tente sur le plateau....
La place dans la tente est plus grande dans le véhicule 2 ( lit 1.6 sur 2.3 au lieu de 1.2 sur 2.4) mais pour les bagages, ça me semble un peu juste (compartiment sous la tente). Le concept me parait aussi plus adapté aux gens bien organisés.....
Quelques questions en vrac :
- La taille du frigo : genre minibar d'hotel ?
- Les emplacements de camping : avec électricité comme souvent en AFS ?
- Le montage de la tente pour les nuls : aussi facile que la démo filmée chez Asco ?
- Que manque-t-il dans le kit de base de tout loueur ? (J'ai noté l'absence de porte filtre pour faire le café mais c'est pareil en AFS.....)
Le 2 sera sûrement nettement plus pratique et rapide à installer, mais comme tu l'as dit, il faudrait vérifier combien de bagages tu peux prendre.
Les tentes portefeuilles sont parfois assez fastidieuses à replier, surtout pour mettre la bâche qui est évidemment pleine de poussière et aussi, si la tente est assez vieille, le système d'attache de la bâche à base de courroies effilochées peut être un bonheur. 😛
- La taille du frigo : genre minibar d'hotel ?
40L environ, assez logeable mais pas comme à la maison ! Pour deux, c'est bon. Pour 4 on double avec une glacière.
- Les emplacements de camping : avec électricité comme souvent en AFS ?
Souvent sans.
- Que manque-t-il dans le kit de base de tout loueur ? (J'ai noté l'absence de porte filtre pour faire le café mais c'est pareil en AFS.....)
Une sangle et des outils convenables.
Un kit de réparation de crevaisons.
De quoi éclairer correctement le campement le soir : une balade baladeuse 12V sur allume-cigare + une lampe de camping à piles peuvent être bien utiles (sans parler des frontales).
Une multi-prise allume-cigare pour tout recharger sur la voiture.
Je suis en effet sceptique quant aux possibilités de rangement dans la solution 2. On a déjà parlé de ce véhicule sur un autre fil, et si ma mémoire est bonne il est un peu plus tout terrain que le Hilux qui est fourni en standard chez Asco. Par contre si tu prends la version Safari, ce devrait être assez similaire.
Pour ce qui est du pliage de tente, il y a un coup à prendre (pour la tente portefeuille sur le toit), et il ne nous a pas fallu plus de quatre nuits pour être bien rodés. Après, pour ce qui est de la poussière, si tu n'en as pas en manipulant les bâches, tu en auras par ailleurs. Alors je ne suis pas sûr que ce soit très déterminant.
En revanche, selon les endroits où tu dormiras sous la tente, la présence ou non d'animaux en liberté peut t'inciter à choisir la tente sur le toit : plus haut, donc plus rassurant.
Taille du frigo : cô Pierre.
Électricité sur les campsites : j'aurais dit "oui souvent" (on a eu systématiquement sur les quelques camps où nous avons dormis sous la tente, et également vu sur ceux que nous n'avons fait que traverser. Par contre, la longueur de fil électrique dispo avec le véhicule pour se brancher n'est pas très long et ne laisse donc pas toujours beaucoup de latitude pour placer la voiture sur l'emplacement. Prévoir une ralonge si les kg de bagage le permettent.
(J'ai noté l'absence de porte filtre pour faire le café mais c'est pareil en AFS.....)
peut-être mais il y a un truc qui s'appelle le Nescafé : ça marche sans filtre ... donc sans porte filtre 😎😎😎
Une multi-prise allume-cigare pour tout recharger sur la voiture.
et/ou un adaptateur AFS/europe + multiprises ça marche aussi quand il y a de l'électricité sur le camp, ( d'accord 😕)
Ne surtout pas oublier des grands sac poubelle pour protéger les bagages, provisions ... contre la poussière, car le coffre rigide du Hilux n'est pas dust-proof.
- Les emplacements de camping : avec électricité comme souvent en AFS ?
Aléatoire et imprévisible (en tous cas avec Tourmaline) . Environ 50/50 . Quand c' était le cas il fallait tout recharger au max. , car ensuite parfois 2 nuits de suite sans ... 🤪
On a déjà parlé de ce véhicule sur un autre fil, et si ma mémoire est bonne il est un peu plus tout terrain que le Hilux
Oui, il y a un snorkel.
Mais mon trajet est assez classique. Je ne pense donc pas qu'il y ait besoin d'un 'vrai' 4x4.
La hauteur de la tente ne me parait pas non plus essentielle puisque je ne camperai pas dans des endroits genre Moreni.
En fait, c'est surtout l'aspect rangement...
Je suis plutôt un peu bordélique alors la version 1 me parait plus propice au bazar à l'intérieur du 4X4....😊
Électricité sur les campsites : j'aurais dit "oui souvent"
Je pense surtout à Etosha et à Epupa où je resterai plusieurs nuits.
peut-être mais il y a un truc qui s'appelle le Nescafé
Si les nuit sont fraîches, vous pourrez vous tenir chaud 😎 , quoique en février ...
Je pense surtout à Etosha et à Epupa où je resterai plusieurs nuits.
A Etosha, il n'y a aucun problème, chaque emplacement est équipé de prise de courant. Toutefois, il n'y en a peut-être qu'une, il faudra donc prévoir une multiprise au format AFS pour brancher le frigo d'une part et les chargeurs d'autre part. Pour Epupa, je ne connais pas. Pierre peut-être ...😇
Peut-être que le critère suivant t'aidera à faire pencher la balance : il est fait état d'un certain nombre d'accidents de la route en Namibie, et ce n'est pas un secret qu'ils sont essentiellement liés à des excès de vitesse. A chacun de prendre ses responsabilité en la matière. Toutefois, le Hilux avec sa tente sur le toit a peut-être un centre de gravité qui est certainement plus élevé que le Pionner Camper, ce qui place ce dernier à l'avantage pour ce qui est de la stabilité. Et comme personne n'a encore essayé le bijoux, nous serons ravis d'avoir un retour.😉
En 2008, il n'y avait pas de courant dans le premier camp au-dessus de chutes qu'on appelait improprement "communautaire". Je ne crois pas non plus qu'il y en avait à Omarunga.
Mais depuis 2008, les choses ont pu évoluer, je ne sais pas…
+1 pour le centre de gravité.
D'ailleurs un 4x4, haut sur pattes, n'est pas un modèle de stabilité, tente sur le toit ou pas, et se retourne effectivement comme une crêpe.
Le sentiment de sécurité est trompeur et le risque de partir en tonneaux (partout, pas seulement sur la terre) est plus élevé avec ce type de véhicule qu'avec une bête berline (NB. Je ne parle pas de sensations, ni de confort).
La vitesse en ligne droite n'est pas un problème en soi (dans des limites raisonnables bien sûr !), mais il faut anticiper en permanence et ralentir énormément avant la moindre courbe, même de très grand rayon.
En 2008, il n'y avait pas de courant dans le premier camp au-dessus de chutes qu'on appelait improprement "communautaire".
Il n' y en avait toujours pas en avril 2010 . Y compris pour l' éclairage des sanitaires ... 😕
Mais ils acceptaient de charger les batteries d' app. photos contre rétribution (modeste il est vrai) 🤪.
j'ajouterais une 3e option, qui est celle de la tente au sol. Elle présente plusieurs avantages :
1. vous pouvez choisir le véhicule que vous voulez, sans problème de centre de gravité à cause de la tente sur le toit (le Hilux accidenté exposé chez Asco est vraiment impressionnant, et terrible). Et ça ne prend pas trop de place parmi les bagages.
2. la tente sur le toit, expérimentée pendant 4 semaines en mai entre le Botswana et la Namibie, n'est pas vraiment confortable, plutôt étroite (1.2 m trop juste je trouve), et chaque mouvement de l'un des occupants occasionne un mouvement du véhicule, pas très agréable pour l'autre 🤪. La tente au sol (prévoir une tente de 4 places pour 2 occupants) sera bcp plus confort.
3. Pas besoin de tout replier si on veut aller faire un drive pendant la journée.
4. Pour les animaux, si la moustiquaire de la tente est fermée, il n'y aurait aucun problème. Il semblerait qu'une tente fermée est perçue par les animaux comme inerte, même si les occupants bougent ou font du bruit à l'intérieur. Tous les guides et voyageurs expérimentés rencontrés au cours du voyage avaient choisi cette solution et n'ont jamais rencontré de problème, selon eux. En plus, en Namibie, il y a peu d'animaux comparé au Botswana.
Comme c'était notre première expérience de camping au Botswana, nous avions choisi la tente sur le toit justement par précaution pour être un peu loin des animaux, mais nous sommes convaincus de prendre la tente au sol la prochaine fois!
Salut,
J'avais le premier modèle l'an passé mais double tente et double cabine.
Même à 2 personnes, je te recommande le double cabine pour mettre une glacière à portée de main et le matériel sensible. Tu le sais, dans la benne, avec le hard top, le soir c'est vamos à la playa!!!
Ma technique consistait à mettre les valises dans des sacs poubelles XXXL.
Ce qui motive mon message est cela:
J'ai croisé lors de mon voyage des 4x4 avec des "tiroirs" à l'arrière du véhicule qui facilitaient grandement chargement et déchargement du matériel à chaque étape. Je ne sais pas où ça se loue ni à quel prix mais si je dois retourner en Afrique australe, j'étudierai la question.
@+
FreD.
La tente au sol certes est une option intéressante à plusieurs points de vue :
vous pouvez choisir le véhicule que vous voulez
yes
Pas besoin de tout replier si on veut aller faire un drive pendant la journée
yes yes
Pour les animaux, si la moustiquaire de la tente est fermée, il n'y aurait aucun problème
yes
Mais par contre :
Et ça ne prend pas trop de place parmi les bagages.
pas si sûr : celle que nous avons eue cette été (2,5m x 2,5 m) tenait dans sac boudin de 1.2m de long et 40 cm de diamètre, et faisait le poids d'un âne mort. Rien à voir avec les tentes légères en nylon que nous vendent les Décath et autre GO Sp....Donc à sortir du coffre, ça donne quelques suées, d'autant que si Attila ne campe pas tous les jours, la tente sera rangée au fond du coffre. La raison : ce sont des tentes igloo dont les armatures sont en acier à ressort et que la toile est de la vraie toile de tente. C'est donc très robuste, ce qui explique que les opérateurs les utilisent pour leurs groupes de voyageurs.
Mais Attila rassure-toi, vu qu'on est mazo, nous, on avait les types cet été. Et oui, à cinq, deux tentes de toi ça ne le fait pas.😎😎
Autre argument pour les tentes de toit : les matelas en mousse assez confortables. En tout cas bien plus qu'un autogonflant dans une tente au sol !
Et bonjour l'encombrement des matelas dans les bagages aussi !
Bon, si j'ai bien tout compris, le modèle 2 serait plus stable et la tente plus confortable car plus grande.
Mais, il y aura moins de place pour mes bagages qui de toutes façons seront couverts de poussière.(ça ne me changera pas du Kgalagadi et de Sesriem...)
Pour l'électricité, il vaut mieux ne pas trop compter dessus sauf dans les camping NWR.
L'option tente à part ne me "tente" 😎 pas du tout car je ne fais jamais de camping alors je ne possède aucun matériel...
Je pense que je ne choisirais ni l'un ni l'autre, mais un double cabine avec une seule tente de toit pour pouvoir mettre à l'intérieur de la cabine ce qui craint la poussière et pouvoir garder quelques affaires facilement accessibles. Dans un simple cabine, on ne met vraiment rien de plus que les deux passagers !
À propos de poussière, un truc : entrouvrir une des vitre du hard top (ou canopy là-bas), ça crée une surpression à l'intérieur et la poussière vraiment beaucoup moins.
mais un double cabine avec une seule tente de toit
Je voulais prendre dans les premiers prix car seule la moitié des nuits se fera en camping.
Si le véhicule est cher autant dormir dans des lodges/camp qui sont quand même à tarif réduit à cette époque.
J'ai surtout pris l'option camping car je ne suis pas convaincue par la qualité des logements en dur surtout à Etosha.
Les camps Sud Africain offrent des possibilités nettement plus sympathiques à des tarifs bien plus raisonnables.
Et puis, il n'y a pas vraiment de possibilité de "self catering" autrement qu'en camping.😕
J'ai surtout pris l'option camping car je ne suis pas convaincue par la qualité des logements en dur surtout à Etosha
C'est peut-être un apriori qui te guide vers de mauvais choix : nous avons passé 5 nuits à Etosha en août dernier, dont 2 sous la tente à Okakuejo, 2 en dur à Halali, et 1 autre sous la tente à Namutoni.
Il y a effectivement un écart de prix significatif entre campsite et bungalow (de 1 à 5). Cependant, pour ce que nous en avons vu, ça les vaut bien. Le Bush Chalet que nous avons eu à Halali était très bien, propre, avec une très bonne literie, et agréablement décoré. Et c'est le seul endroit où nous avons vraiment pris plaisir à faire notre brai. Le camp de Namutoni a été refait récemment, donc la qualité du logement en dur doit être aussi bonne.
A côté de cela, si le campsite de Namutoni est certes très accueillant (emplacements larges, engazonnés) et pas surchargé, celui de Okakuejo n'est pas folichon. Étant sur un voyage avec une minorité de nuits sous la tente, nous avons finalement décidé de ne plus faire de cuisine en camping (le deux premières tentatives ayant été désastreuses). Du coup, il est peut-être intéressant de ne pas prendre un 4x4 avec tout le barda de camping (car quand tu le prends "camping equiped" tu as la tente, les matelas, les draps, les serviettes de toilette, la table, les chaises, la caisse avec les gamelles, les couverts, les assiettes ...), et le frigo. Ça prend beaucoup de place dans le coffre. Si tu passes très peu de nuit sous la tente, et qui plus est dans des campings qui disposent d'un minimum d'infrastructure, tu n'as en fait besoin que du frigo (pour le rosé, la Savana Dry, et les pique-niques 😎 ) et de quoi faire chauffer de l'eau pour le petit dej du matin. Le diners seront à prendre au resto du lodge, et ça là l'occasion de se régaler d'un steak d'Oryx ou de springbok.
Nous avons en peu regretté de devoir se trimbaler une table, et des chaises qui n'ont jamais servi à autre chose que de surcharger le coffre. Et pour ce qui est de la caisse "cantine", on ne l'a exploitée qu'à 10%.
En fait, je compare avec les logements sud africains surtout ceux du Kgalagadi NP genre Urikarus ou Kalahari tented camp.
Il n'y a pas ce genre d'offre à Etosha .
Seul le Dolomite camp semble se rapprocher de ce que je recherche bien qu'il n'y ait pas de cuisine.
Alors je préfère le camping à 400 N$ aux chambres à 1200 N$.
Et puis comme ça je pourrais passer 2 nuits sans remords au Grootberg Lodge😎
J'ai retrouvé la discussion où tu parles du 4x4 version 2. Tu indiquais en avoir vu un dans un camp et surtout avoir assisté à une installation de la tente en 2 secondes chrono.
Je pense donc que ce genre de 4x4 va me convenir.🙂
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March or May 2027.
Around 15 days in the Western Cape,
then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George.
The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode...
From George:
Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1.
Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna.
Question:
What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339.
And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340.
Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed?
Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert?
If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts?
From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both).
Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area?
Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me...
(For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...).
Any feedback from the pros?
Well, that’s about it...
I’m open to any other tips or advice!
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Hi there,
I’m considering camping in Nyungwe Park with my family (2 adults, 2 kids) at Uwinka campsite. Problem: the park rents the tent but without any gear (mattresses, blankets). We don’t have a car. Is it possible to rent or buy mattresses and blankets near the park, please?
Thanks for your help
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Hello,
We’re planning a route from Maun to Kazane and Victoria Falls for May 2027 in a Toyota Hilux 4x4, staying in lodges (no camping). Here’s the rough outline:
- Maun: Arrival likely from Johannesburg, 2 nights
- Khwai: 2 nights
- Return to Maun
- Need to decide on a stop between Maun and Sepopa?
- Sepopa: 2 nights
- Cross into Namibia: Bagani, 2 nights
- Kongola: 2 nights
- Katima Mulilo: 2 nights
- Kasane: 3 or 4 nights
- Victoria Falls: 1 or 2 nights
- Return to France from Kasane or Victoria Falls
What’s the road condition like between Maun and Khwai? The stop names are approximate based on accommodations.
Thanks for any feedback on this plan!
Ailleurs 64
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks.
We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old.
We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions:
- How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?).
- Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice.
- I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that.
- Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas!
Gabriel
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg.
This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights).
D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights)
Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai).
D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights).
D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE).
D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6.
If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too.
Thanks! 🙂
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland.
Could you share any tips on:
- the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar)
- your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours
- reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are:
- Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional
- Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive
- Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me.
Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature.
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We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa?
As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult?
We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :)
We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend.
See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB
D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon
D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger
D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area
D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route)
D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this:
- Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective.
First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...).
That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on.
The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start...
During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.)
The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance.
Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page).
Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water),
– Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places,
– Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly,
– One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
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Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored:
– services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water),
– hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments,
– visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly,
– one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment.
To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone.
Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera
Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo
Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera
Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?)
Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 4: Full day in Tarangire
Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO
Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome...
Thanks
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works.
I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!!
I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh…
Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car??
If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali?
Thanks so much for your help…
Best regards
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be:
- Hwange
- Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona)
- Mana Pools
- Harare
- Gonarezhou
- Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work.
I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts.
So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza
Ngenda
Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi
Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas)
Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions:
-Is French still widely spoken?
-Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info?
-Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back?
-Is it possible to go hiking solo?
-Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share.
Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind.
I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south:
14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie
17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza
20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara
22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants
25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere.
28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel.
29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance!
Nicole
Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers.
We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering:
Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later)
Pretoria – 2 days
Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day
Acornhoek – 1 day
Letaba – 2 days
Lobamba – 2 days
Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days
Cape of Good Hope – 1 day
Stellenbosch – 1 day
Hermanus – 1 day
Mossel Bay – 2 days
Oudtshoorn
Wilderness – 2 days
Knysna
Port Elizabeth – 2 days
Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions.
We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!