C'est décidé, en septembre je parts pour un périple de 15 jours à 3 semaines de Moscou via Pékin par le transsibérien et je voudrais savoir auprès de ceux ou celles qui l'ont emprunté, si septembre est une bonne période pour éviter les grandes migrations de touristes, pour la faune et la flore à observer, pour les paysages.... Sachant que ce train n'a pas le luxe de l'Orient express, est-il quand même pas trop mal équipé pour vivre plusieurs jours de trajet (toilette, lavabo, prise de courant pour recharger les accus des APN et caméscope....la restauration dans le train ou dans les gares , ????) Je n'ai pas l'intention de faire d'un seul coup d'un seul Moscou Pékin, mais d'arrêter quelques jours dans les villes et contrées incontournables traversées, (lesquelles ?). Bref, je n'est pas beaucoup d'info sur ces régions, je suis demandeur de vos impressions de voyage, de vos trucs et astuces. Merci d'avance
Moscou-Pékin par le Transsibérien en septembre
by Rando44
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour à tous les voyageur forumeux.
C'est décidé, en septembre je parts pour un périple de 15 jours à 3 semaines de Moscou via Pékin par le transsibérien et je voudrais savoir auprès de ceux ou celles qui l'ont emprunté, si septembre est une bonne période pour éviter les grandes migrations de touristes, pour la faune et la flore à observer, pour les paysages.... Sachant que ce train n'a pas le luxe de l'Orient express, est-il quand même pas trop mal équipé pour vivre plusieurs jours de trajet (toilette, lavabo, prise de courant pour recharger les accus des APN et caméscope....la restauration dans le train ou dans les gares , ????) Je n'ai pas l'intention de faire d'un seul coup d'un seul Moscou Pékin, mais d'arrêter quelques jours dans les villes et contrées incontournables traversées, (lesquelles ?). Bref, je n'est pas beaucoup d'info sur ces régions, je suis demandeur de vos impressions de voyage, de vos trucs et astuces. Merci d'avance
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JPR
Bonjour, evelyn34,
J'ai un peu avancé dans ma recherche de ce prochain périple, mais sans grande précision pour le moment. Je voudrais éviter de prendre l'avion jusqu'à Moscou et plutôt m'y rendre en train (compter environ 7 à 8 jours). Je compte rester quelques jours pour visiter les incontournables de la capitale moscovite. Passer au moins une journée dans la ville de Sergiev Possad, qui semble intéressant sur le plan de son patrimoine monumental. Prendre le transsibérien vers Irkoutsk en visitant les quelques villes traversées par le rail, ne pas rater une petite croisière sur le lac Baïkal, puis Oulan Bator la steepe mongole à cheval, coucher sous la yourte quelques nuits. Reprendre le rail avec le transmongolien, vers Pékin et visiter le ville plusieurs jours. Je pense y passer au moins 20 jours entre Moscou et Pékin et puis après on verra !!!! Je préfère septembre pour éviter la foule des commerçants mongols de l'été et les touristes russes et chinois (j'ai des projets de cyclorandonneur en Mai et Juin). Et puis la température est plus supportable en septembre surtout en Chine (25° environ) Pour ce qui concerne les visas pour les trois pays, il faut compter minimum 60 jours avant le départ. Mais je n'ai pas envie de me prendre la tête avec ces formalités administratives (ce n'est pas ma tasse de thé) alors je cherche un organisme spécialisé dans la demande de visas qui le fera à ma place sachant que ça se paie. (250 à 300€ pour les trois visas). Mai, et plus particulièrement Juin c'est chouette aussi, c'est le réveil de la nature (champs d'edelweiss). Entre Moscou et Oulan Bator, le train met 6 jours environ et entre Oulan Bator et Pékin 2 jours seulement. Avec les arrêts 20 jours ne seront pas de trop entre ces deux capitales.. J'en suis là pour l'instant dans mes recherches, je n'ai pas encore fixé mon budget, mais il devrait tourner autour de 2500€. Je suis preneur de toutes informations concernant ces 3 pays, coutumes, changes, souvenirs à rapporter, gastronomie, ...... Merci d'avance
J'ai un peu avancé dans ma recherche de ce prochain périple, mais sans grande précision pour le moment. Je voudrais éviter de prendre l'avion jusqu'à Moscou et plutôt m'y rendre en train (compter environ 7 à 8 jours). Je compte rester quelques jours pour visiter les incontournables de la capitale moscovite. Passer au moins une journée dans la ville de Sergiev Possad, qui semble intéressant sur le plan de son patrimoine monumental. Prendre le transsibérien vers Irkoutsk en visitant les quelques villes traversées par le rail, ne pas rater une petite croisière sur le lac Baïkal, puis Oulan Bator la steepe mongole à cheval, coucher sous la yourte quelques nuits. Reprendre le rail avec le transmongolien, vers Pékin et visiter le ville plusieurs jours. Je pense y passer au moins 20 jours entre Moscou et Pékin et puis après on verra !!!! Je préfère septembre pour éviter la foule des commerçants mongols de l'été et les touristes russes et chinois (j'ai des projets de cyclorandonneur en Mai et Juin). Et puis la température est plus supportable en septembre surtout en Chine (25° environ) Pour ce qui concerne les visas pour les trois pays, il faut compter minimum 60 jours avant le départ. Mais je n'ai pas envie de me prendre la tête avec ces formalités administratives (ce n'est pas ma tasse de thé) alors je cherche un organisme spécialisé dans la demande de visas qui le fera à ma place sachant que ça se paie. (250 à 300€ pour les trois visas). Mai, et plus particulièrement Juin c'est chouette aussi, c'est le réveil de la nature (champs d'edelweiss). Entre Moscou et Oulan Bator, le train met 6 jours environ et entre Oulan Bator et Pékin 2 jours seulement. Avec les arrêts 20 jours ne seront pas de trop entre ces deux capitales.. J'en suis là pour l'instant dans mes recherches, je n'ai pas encore fixé mon budget, mais il devrait tourner autour de 2500€. Je suis preneur de toutes informations concernant ces 3 pays, coutumes, changes, souvenirs à rapporter, gastronomie, ...... Merci d'avance
JPR
bonjour je commence seulement a m en occuper de ce voyage je vais passer par visa service ils sont serieux et vu le budget cet derisoire j ai trop galere pour d autres voyage ou j ai recupere les visas 2 jours avant le depart, , tress!!! en mars je pars en egypte et aussitot rentree je m occupe des visas et des billets en attendant je cojite!!! si je reçoit des info je vous ferait suivre!!je par de chez moi sete en train retour train!!ou avion si c est trop difficile pour les visas pekin et schangai bon journee
penser vous passer par une agence pour l invitation pour le sejour en russie c est une des dificultee!!??
il faut rever sa vie et vivre ses reves
Homevisa vous les délivrent en 30 jours, ils sont à Paris, je leur ai parlé, c'est clair.
Pour l'invitation, c'est 45 Euros, ils vous la feront de l'entrée à la sortie du pays.
Il y a des agences comme Merlin tours, ils s'occupent de tout, visas et invit.
www.didierbizet.com
Empreinte Transsibérienne, la Russie vue du Transsibérien en photos.
http://www.criteres-editions.com
Bonjour,
Nous avons fait ce voyage inoubliable en mai-juin 2010, en un mois, avec arrêt d'une semaine à Irkutsk, Oulan Bator et Pékin.
Nous avons voyagé en 2ème classe, dans des compartiments de 4, bien plus confortables que ceux de la SNCF. Pas de douches, mais des toilettes avec lavabo correctes, régulièrement entretenues. A l'entrée de chaque wagon, un samovar où l'on peut s'approvisionner jour et nuit en eau chaude pour le thé ou le café. Dans le couloir des prises de courant permettent de recharger les batteries ou de brancher un ordinateur.
Le wagon-restaurant, où nous allions une fois par jour, ne nous a pas laissé un souvenir impérissable sur le plan gastronomique, mais c'est, avec les couloirs, un lieu de rencontres. Le train ne s'arrête pas suffisamment longtemps dans les gares pour aller au restaurant, sauf aux frontières, mais on peut s'y approvisionner auprès des marchands ambulants.
Dans la région d'Irkutsk nous avons beaucoup apprécié l'île d'Olkhon où nous sommes allés en 3 jours, voyage compris, et Listvianka, où nous avons passé 2 jours. Nous aurions aimé prendre une journée en train sur le circumbaïkal, mais cela n'a pas été possible.
En Mongolie nous avons fait un circuit de 4 jours en jeep à l'ouest d'Oulan Bator, à Karakorum et dans la vallée de l'Orkhon, avec une après-midi et une nuit dans une famille de pasteurs nomades.
En Chine nous avions prévu d'aller jusque Xian mais nous avons renoncé à l'idée de passer encore 2 nuits dans le train... De toute façon, une semaine pour visiter Pékin, c'est un peu juste !
Je me tiens à ta disposition si tu as besoin de renseignements plus précis.
Cordialement.
Beb
Salut,
avez vous senti quelques moments d'insecurité lors du voyage dans le train, à Moscou, à Irkoust ?
www.didierbizet.com
Empreinte Transsibérienne, la Russie vue du Transsibérien en photos.
http://www.criteres-editions.com
Bonsoir,
Je n'ai eu aucun sentiment d'insécurité en Russie ni à Pékin, que ce soit en ville ou dans le train.
En Mongolie non plus, sauf à Oulan Bator : après avoir été "victime" un soir d'une "légère" agression, je manquais d'enthousiasme pour sortir après le coucher du soleil...
Excusez moi, je ne saisis pas, Manque d'enthousiasme après quoi ?
www.didierbizet.com
Empreinte Transsibérienne, la Russie vue du Transsibérien en photos.
http://www.criteres-editions.com
Merci Beblot pour toutes ces bonnes informations, mon projet avance sachant que j'ai 5 mois devant moi, une question concernant les prises électriques dans le transsibérien et le transmongolien, peut-on brancher nos chargeur avec des prises mâles de type Européen, soit la prise de type C ou de type E. N'y a t il pas besoin d'adaptateur ? que ce soit dans le train ou dans les hôtels russes, mongoles, ou chinois ??
Merci pour ta réponse.
JPR
Bonjour,
Je pense que ce site apportera les réponses à tes questions :
http://www.voyages-transversales.com/pris0097.htm
En Russie et en Mongolie nous avons trouvé les mêmes prises qu'en France.
En Chine nous n'avons eu aucun problème pour recharger les batteries des appareils Photos. Si je me souviens bien nous demandions à la réception de la guesthouse, qui disposait d'un adaptateur, de les mettre en charge.
Cordialement.
Beb
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Fred
Hi! I arrive in Vancouver on August 24, 2025, and I’m staying until Friday, August 29, 2025—the day I take *The Canadian* train to Toronto.
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there’s a bus from Luang Namtha to Boten to catch the train coming from China to Vientiane? If so, what’s the name of the company? Also, how long does the bus take to cover that distance? What’s the condition of the road like?
Thanks for your help!
Tom
I just realized there’s only one payment method accepted for booking the Mombasa-Nairobi express train ticket online: M-Pesa, a mobile money transfer service used in Africa. Would it be impossible to book as a European?
Hi
Have any of you booked tickets through rail.ninja?
Hi there,
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
Hi there,
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
Hi there,
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Thanks in advance! 😊
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
Hi everyone,
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)