bonjour
on débarque de l'avion à las végas et on loue la voiture, direction flagstaff.
d'après mapquest, pour faire LV- kingman, il faut 4h10 en faisant le détour par oatman ( et seulement 2 h directement par la 93). Sachant qu'après kingman il y a encore pour 2h30 - 3 h pour rejoindre flagstaff ( plus temps de visite de kingman, seligman et williams et route 66), est-ce que zapper oatman est un crime ??? la route 66 de kingman à flagstaff n'est-elle pas suffisante pour percevoir l'ambiance ?
encore merci de vos conseils avisés!
timlulu
Bonjour,
Bon, déja, ton Oatman c'est où, dans quel Etat ?? ma recherche sommaire ne donne rien !
Tu as repéré quoi à y voir ??
Ensuite la fameuse 66 ne subsiste vraiment que de Kingman à Seligman en passant à Peach Springs. De Seligman à Flagstaff, la 66 a tout simplement été recouverte par l'autoroute 40. Il n'en reste que les boucles (localement "business loops") qui desservent les villages, par ex Williams, Seligman, ou Holbrook, autrefois traversés par la 66.
Temps de visite de Kingman ? perso, le temps de traverser !! 5-10 minutes !
A+
Si vous ne réussissez jamais rien du premier coup, n'essayez pas le parachutisme !
Tu pourrais peut être faire plus simple... car les temps de trajet de mapquest et similar, sont nases...
Alors tu as deux options...
soit tu prends l'autoroute du début à la fin... et là tu peux dire très bien mapquest, car tu seras dans les temps (sans faire pipi bien sûr, car là, ça te fait perdre ta moyenne😛)et dans l'ouest tu peux presque tout faire comme ça.... 😐
ou alors tu prends le chemin des ecoliers, parce que somme toute, si tu es là bas, ce n'est pas non plus QUE pour imaginer la 66 sous l'asphalte de l'autoroute..😮😇
Je suis un peu d'humeur railleuse😊... excuse... mais pour moi, quand on rate une belle route, c'est toujours un crime... 😠😠
et ça mapquest ne sait pas gerer la beauté des sites
regarde plutôt le site byways... eux ils savent ce que c'est une belle route...😉
ok, je n'ai pas répondu exactement a ta question, mais tu auras deviné ma pensée;
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow mindedness, all foes to real understanding. Likewise, tolerance, or broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in our little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. -- Mark Twain
Oatman, c'est la plus belle portion de la 66 dans ce coin là...mais je te l'accorde, personne n'est au courant et tout le monde s'arrete ou débute à Kingman...
regarde la:http://www.desertusa.com/oatman/du_oatman.html
tout y est, même la carte😛
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow mindedness, all foes to real understanding. Likewise, tolerance, or broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in our little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. -- Mark Twain
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow mindedness, all foes to real understanding. Likewise, tolerance, or broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in our little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. -- Mark Twain
Oatman, est légérement moins touristique que Calico... mais, elle ne peut vivre que du tourisme.. alors evidemment, on t'attend un peu au coin de main street...😉
et je ne pense pas qu'il y ait d'hotels ... par contre de quoi se restaurer..
Ce qui est beau, c'est la portion de route 66 qui relie Oatman à Kingman... mais c'est tout a fait perso... et a forde d'en parler, il va finir par y avoir un rassemblement VF dans le coin..
Pour moi Kingman, ne vaut pas vraiment un arrêt très long... sauf pour le bar avec une vache sur le toit.. je ne me souviens plus du nom.. (super cheese cakes😊)
Par contre Seligman, vaut un arrêt.. toujours perso.. mais tu n'aurais même pas à demander, car une fois que tu seras dans la rue principale, c'est automatique que tu t'y arrêtes..
Par contre, très franchement, je trouve que la portion de route entre Kingman et Seligman est bien triste..cela traverse une réserve (le nom m'echappe, il va falloir que je me mette au poisson), etnon ressent bien la pauvreté.
A ta place, je prefererais faire le détour de Oatman a Kingman, et faire la portion Kingman -Seligaman par l'autoroute😊(ça je ne le dis pas souvent)🤪
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow mindedness, all foes to real understanding. Likewise, tolerance, or broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in our little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. -- Mark Twain
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow mindedness, all foes to real understanding. Likewise, tolerance, or broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in our little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. -- Mark Twain
c'est bon fabienne, j'ai compris !
je connaissais même la réponse en la posant !!!
on se lèvera plus tot pour arriver à las végas, on passera par oatman leur laisser quelques dollars, on profitera de la route 66 jusqu'à kingmann, on filera sur la 40 jusqu'à séligman qu'on visitera, puis williams, et on essaiera d'arriver avant la nuit à flagstaff !
encore merci
timlulu
et pourquoi tu zzzzzzzzz a Flagstaff et pas a Williams ou Tusayan ou dans le parc??😇
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow mindedness, all foes to real understanding. Likewise, tolerance, or broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in our little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. -- Mark Twain
on dort 2 nuits à flagstaff, afin de pouvoir passer une journée sur sédona et le slide rock et seulement après on remonte vers le GC où on dort une nuit .
il me semble que ce serait dommage de passer si près de sédona et de ne pas aller y faire un tour ..
mais je n'ai pas encore réserver ... est-ce que c'est mieux de dormir à williams ?
timlulu
ben si tu vas à Sedona, c'est peut être mieux d'y dormir😉mais je n'ai aucune idée la dessus... Flagstaff est une ville sympa... mais je n'ai jamais mis le nez a Sedona... peut être Sedonax aura un avis la dessus😉
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow mindedness, all foes to real understanding. Likewise, tolerance, or broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in our little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. -- Mark Twain
Bonjour,
Alors moi je te conseille vivement OATMAN, car c'est un village très très typique, et ça vaut le détour, avec ses ânes en liberté totale, et sa seule et unique route. J'y étais au mois de Septembre, et franchement je n'ai pas été décue, en plus il y avait un spectacle en pleine rue (bon, c'est pour les touristes, mais c'est quand même à voir). Si tu veux voir quelques photos je peux t'en faire parvenir par mail. J'ai fais toute la route 66, et la partie la plus intéressant à mon goût, c'est la partie ouest de Californie jusqu'au Texas, après j'ai trouvé cela plus monotone. Seligman (mis à part le barbier) un village typique aussi, et Kingman une ville plus grande avec quelques endroits à visiter.
A+
Laurence
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow mindedness, all foes to real understanding. Likewise, tolerance, or broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in our little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. -- Mark Twain
Compte tenu de mon pseudo, et comme le sait Fabienne 😉, j'aime beaucoup la région de Sedona (mais pas spécialement la ville, trop mercantile à mon goût) qui offre de nombreuses possibilités de randonnées dans un superbe environnement. On peut y séjourner une semaine en faisant des randonnées différentes tous les jours dans un rayon de quelques miles autour de la ville. Le logement n'est pas donné à Sedona, à part le modeste http://www.sedonalodge.com/sindex.htm à Oak Creek Village et pour une seule journée dans le secteur, loger les 2 nuits à Flagstaff (avec son vieux centre ville sympa) est une solution tout à fait envisageable (mais à condition de loger loin de la voie de chemin de fer car les trains passent toute la nuit en annonçant bien leur approche).
Puisque tu iras au Slide Rock SP (je suppose que c'est pour les enfants, mais ce sera probablement bondé), tu ne devrais pas manquer la balade proche de West Fork of Oak Creek (6 miles A/R) qui est vraiment très agréable (ne pas hésiter à sortir un peu du chemin) voir les photos sur mon site www.phschuler.com.
www.phschuler.com et www.ouestusa.fr, pour une vision de l'Ouest en dehors des sentiers battus.
Carnet de voyage Ouest USA 2009
Bonjour Fabienne,
Oui, je disais que je préférais la partie ouest de Los Angelès à Amarillo et ses environs au point de vue paysages. La suite dans l'Oklahoma m'a paru plus monotone jusqu'à chicago, cela n'engage que moi, chacun appréciant différents paysages.
Laurence
en effet on loge 2 nuits à flagstaff car avec 2 jeunes enfants, c'est plus simple quand on peut loger 2 ou 3 nuits au même endroit !
j'avais bien repéré cette ballade de west fork oak creek dans le slide rock mais aussi celle du boynton canyon, et aussi cathedral rock et crescent moon ....
bref, j'ai un peu de mal à déterminer ce qu'on pourra faire en une journée, si on doit privilégier une partie ( slide rock au nord ou red rock au sud de sedona ) ou si on pourra avoir un aperçu de tout en une seule (mais grosse !) journée
je te précise aussi qu'on y sera en semaine fin mars, alors je pense que pour le monde ça devrait aller ; c'est juste dommage pour les ploufs dans la rivière !
merci de tous tes conseils
timlulu
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow mindedness, all foes to real understanding. Likewise, tolerance, or broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in our little corner of the earth all one's lifetime. -- Mark Twain
Bonjour,
Sedonax connait mieux la région mais je veux quand-même proposer mon petite idée😊
Tu descend depuis Flagstaff la I 17 jusque Montezuma Castle NM > reprend la I 17 > la 179 vers Sedona > 89A pour le retour vers Flagstaff. Ceci est un circuit de 180 km en 2h15 au volant.
Alors j'éstime tu a aussi le temps pour des balades dans les lieux que tu désire voir🤪
Fin mars avec 2 jeunes enfants, cela change toute la donne. Il fera probablement froid, il n'y aura pas de feuilles aux arbres, les jeunes enfants ne pourront pas vraiment randonner...
Dans ces conditions, Slide Rock SP ne me semble pas avoir d'intérêt, ce que vous verrez de la route peut suffire, la balade de West Fork of Creek canyon perd de l'intérêt avec une végétation encore hivernale (à moins qu'il y ait de la neige, auquel cas les contrastes roche / neige peuvent être sympas), idem pour Boynton Canyon.
Le tour conseillé par Allegro est une bonne idée, et quand vous serez dans la ville de Sedona vous pouvez faire un arrêt au joli centre commercial Tlaquepaque qui s'inspire d'un village mexicain, si vous avez un SUV prendre la piste de Shnebly Hill Road jusqu'à la Schnebly Hill Vista avec arrêts en chemein (puis retour), prendre la Upper Red Rock Loop Rd à l'ouest de Sedona pour aller au petit parc de Crescent Moon et vous balader le long du Oak Creek avec les belles vues sur Cathedral Rock, puis finir par le point de vue de Airport Mesa avant de revenir sur Flagstaff. Voir infos et photos pour plus de détails sur www.ouestusa.fr.
www.phschuler.com et www.ouestusa.fr, pour une vision de l'Ouest en dehors des sentiers battus.
Carnet de voyage Ouest USA 2009
merci de vos suggestions à tous les deux, toi et allegro.
sur la carte du site ouestusa je n'ai pas réussi à repérer la piste de Shnebly Hill Road ( les autres oui) et en plus on aura pas de 4*4 mais une voiture ordinaire ! on n'arrivera pas à passer ????
je n'imaginais pas que le printemps était si tardif en arizona !!!!
du coup, je réfléchis encore, sur le fait de faire cette étape de 2 nuits à flagstaff ( avec sédona )
L'autre possiblité, puisqu'on vient de la route 66, c'est de dormir une nuit à williams et de monter tout de suite au grand canyon : puisqu'on gagne ainsi un jour et une nuit, on peut rester plus de temps au grand canyon ....
grand canyon (un jour de plus) ou sédona, mon coeur balance !
sur les possiblités de randonnées des enfants, ils ont 4 et 5 ans et sont déjà des vrais crapahuteurs ! l'an dernier, au cap vert, ils ont fait des supers randos à san antao ! alors on va faire un max de parcs ( mais pas trop de pistes à cause de problème de dos, les km ça suffira!!!)
timlulu
sur la carte du site ouestusa je n'ai pas réussi à repérer la piste de Shnebly Hill Road ( les autres oui) et en plus on aura pas de 4*4 mais une voiture ordinaire ! on n'arrivera pas à passer ????
Sur la carte détaillée, c'est la piste en bleu qui monte à Shnebly hill Vista (à droite de la carte, vers le milieu), tu peux cliquer sur l'appareil photo au dessus de Munds Wagon.
En mars, sans SUV n'y va pas, tu risques de frotter dur et de crever. Cette piste n'est passable en voiture normale que quand elle vient d'être refaite, une fois toutes les x années au printemps.
je n'imaginais pas que le printemps était si tardif en arizona !!!!
Cela dépend où en Arizona. Vers Tucson on peut déjà voir des fleurs à cette époque mais Sedona est à la jonction de 2 ecosystèmes et à côté de Flagstaff il y a des pistes de ski !
Du coup, je réfléchis encore, sur le fait de faire cette étape de 2 nuits à flagstaff ( avec sédona )
L'autre possiblité, puisqu'on vient de la route 66, c'est de dormir une nuit à williams et de monter tout de suite au grand canyon : puisqu'on gagne ainsi un jour et une nuit, on peut rester plus de temps au grand canyon .... grand canyon (un jour de plus) ou sédona, mon coeur balance
Un jour de plus au Grand Canyon c'est pour faire une vraie rando digne de ce nom et ce n'est pas envisageable avec de si jeunes enfants. A ta place, je maintiendrais Sedona beaucoup plus accessible et avec des possibilités de plan B en cas de mauvais temps (possible à cette période).
www.phschuler.com et www.ouestusa.fr, pour une vision de l'Ouest en dehors des sentiers battus.
Carnet de voyage Ouest USA 2009
Lors de mon voyage en septembre, je m'interroge sur le fait de faire ou non un passage par Valley of fire lors de notre trajet Bryce canyon-Las Vegas. Est-ce…
Nous envisagions de rejoindre diretement LV (env. 450 km) en quittant Grd Canyon dans la matinée. Pensez-vous qu'un détour par Meteor Crater vaut le coup…
Comme le disent très judicieusement certains, tout est dans le titre!!! Devant faire le trajet entre Yellowstone et GT, je me demandai s'il était interessant…
salut a tous
je prepare un tour du monde et je recherche des bons plans pour les logements aux etats unis
avez vous des petits prix a me partager svp
merci
Hello! The itinerary is pretty much set for August 2026. Yeah, I know it’s gonna be *super* hot. But it’s the only time we can get away.
So, here’s the plan: Montpellier-CDG-Dallas.
Stay from July 31 to August 26, 2026:
Car rental – check,
Hotels – check,
Itinerary – almost check,
Photo gear – check,
Budget – check, 🤪
Meal planning – meh, we’ll see...
Walmart, of course, for the cooler when we arrive.
And now, without too much detail...
Fort Worth:
The Longhorns and the Stockyards;
JR’s ranch (for the missus);
Medal of Honor Museum – Arlington.
Houston and NASA Space Center:
See the Gulf of Mexico/America.
San Antonio and the missions.
Fort Stockton for an overnight stop.
El Paso via Guadalupe Mountains:
El Paso and White Sands.
Tucson and the Pima Air & Space Museum:
Tombstone, Bisbee.
Phoenix:
Still working on the program.
Sedona:
Round trip around the area via Flagstaff and Williams, or the Grand Canyon (already done) – we’ll decide on the spot.
Albuquerque:
Santa Fe,
Turquoise Trail,
Los Alamos.
Amarillo via Route 66:
Old Route 66 in the city;
Big Texas Ranch Steak 😏.
Dallas:
JFK Museum;
Perot Museum;
West End district.
And through it all – the road, the road, and more road!!!
We’ll adapt day by day based on our mental and physical state (we’re not exactly spring chickens).
Hello everyone! Really damaged due to flooding caused by runoff after forest fires (a total mess!), does anyone in this friendly forum have any updates on the Apache Trail between Apache Junction and Roosevelt Dam? Is there still a section of the road that’s tough to navigate?
We're leaving at the end of June and will be driving the route between Buffalo and Cody. We’ve already booked our accommodations and a rodeo in Cody, but during the day, we’ll be driving between the two and I’m unsure about the itinerary.
Which route do you think is the most pleasant, interesting, or scenic between:
- The northern route via Highway 14 with Sheridan, Lowell, etc.
- The southern route with Highways 16/20/14, passing by Loaf Mountain Overlook, Powder River Pass, Ten Sleep Canyon...
We’ll be in a car, so we should be able to drive on any road.
Thanks for your input!
I’m almost done planning our September road trip. After our 3-night visit to Sequoia, we’ll have a stopover night in Coalinga (to break up the drive). We’ll be staying two nights in Monterey and would like to stop along the way to visit one side of Pinnacles National Park. We’re torn between the West entrance and the East entrance, and we’d like to do a short hike of no more than 2 hours since we don’t want to arrive too late in Monterey.
This park is split into two distinct zones with no connection between them, and the mileage from Coalinga to Monterey is pretty much the same for both. Which area do you recommend visiting—east or west? And which route is the most scenic?
I’ve spotted two short hikes:
- East: Moses Spring to Rim Trail Loop
- West: Balconies Cliffs Cave Loop
Has anyone been there, or do you have another hike to suggest?
Thanks in advance, and have a great afternoon!
Marcalamar 🙂
After our first trip as a young couple to the West in 2007 (yes, that doesn’t make us any younger!), we’re planning to go back in 2028, but this time as a family of four! (We have two boys who’ll be 5½ and 13 years old in the summer of 2028.)
Our plan is to combine a few big cities (SF and LA, maybe San Diego) with national parks and state parks, mostly!
Ideally, we’d like to leave at the end of June and head back to France around July 19–20, so we can enjoy the first week of the Olympic Games in Los Angeles.
Since we already did the "loop" in 2007, there are must-see places we absolutely want to revisit—and especially share with our kids: Bryce Canyon, Yosemite, and above all, the Grand Canyon, which is still the most incredible thing I’ve ever seen on Earth!
On the other hand, some places didn’t leave a big impression on us for various reasons, so we’re not making them a priority: Antelope Canyon, Monument Valley, for example.
We’re planning ahead, but might as well be smart about it😏
Do you have any tips for a fun and doable itinerary over about 20–25 days with kids, without rushing?
Hi everyone! 🙂
Just a quick question about King Canyon and Sequoia National Park.
Before our night in Miramonte, we plan to visit King Canyon. The next stop will be two nights in Three Rivers to explore Sequoia National Park. I wanted to go all the way to Roaring River Falls on the King Canyon Scenic Byway and then turn back to head to Miramonte. Since we’re coming from Oakhurst, Google Maps says it’s 300 km and 5 hours of driving. Since we also want to hike to see the sequoias (Big Stump Area and Grand Grove) before tackling the King Canyon Scenic Byway, the timing’s going to be tight. How far do you recommend going before turning back to miss as few points of interest as possible on the King Canyon Scenic Byway? Thanks for your advice, and have a great evening!
Marcalamar 🙂
Hi everyone!
After years of hoping, waiting, planning, then changing, saving, and searching for the best possible route... we're FINALLY off this summer for a 5-week road trip in the West.
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route:
Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles
Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles
Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles
Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles
Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles
Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman
Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon
Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page
Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page
Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley
Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango
Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango
Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango
Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango
Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs
Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs
Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab
Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab
Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab
Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab
Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab
Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal
Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton
Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton
Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody
Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone
Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone
Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone
Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone
Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City
Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon
Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion
Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion
Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion
Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas
Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas
Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles
Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles
Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels
Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
Hello.
I’d like to travel along I-15N from San Diego to Las Vegas with my mom, who’s 67. We’ve explored Northern California and the California Coast over the past two years and now want to continue through the desert.
There are several attractions along the way:
- Mormon Rocks
- Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite
- Joshua Tree National Park
- Mojave Desert
- Mojave National Preserve
- Anza-Borrego Desert State Park
- Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon.
We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre.
Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Hi,
My 16-year-old son is flying to Grand Rapids with other kids his age. There’s a layover in Detroit. There’s no unaccompanied minor service available. Is it pretty easy to navigate Detroit Airport to catch the connecting flight to Grand Rapids (domestic flight)? There are several of them who speak English well.
Thanks for your replies,
Good evening, everyone! 🙂
Just a few last questions to wrap up our Lake Tahoe visit plans.
**Parking:**
We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:**
Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:**
Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Hi there. I'm shocked by the price of the Upper Antelope Canyon tour—$175 for less than an hour… You might say, "if you can’t afford it…" But the real question is whether it’s really worth it, because $350 for two makes me feel like I’m getting ripped off. For those who’ve done both Lower and Upper, can you tell me if the price difference is really justified? Thanks
Hi everyone! 🙂
As you can see, we're heading back from September 6th to the 27th.
Everything’s booked for September—flights, accommodations, and the car. As I plan, I’ll be asking the experts for help. This is our second trip to California, but most of the stops are new to us.
We’ll start directly from San Francisco to our first overnight stop, Davis, before heading to Lassen Volcanic Park for 4 nights. Our flight lands at 12:50 PM.
Here’s our itinerary:
Day 1: Davis – overnight stop
Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen)
Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes
Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike
Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes)
Day 6: South Lake Tahoe
Day 7: South Lake Tahoe
Day 8: Mammoth Lake
Day 9: Mammoth Lake
Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road
Day 11: El Portal
Day 12: El Portal
Day 13: Oakhurst
Day 14: Miramonte
Day 15: Three Rivers
Day 16: Three Rivers
Day 17: Coalinga
Day 18: Monterey
Day 19: Monterey
Day 20: San Francisco
Day 21: San Francisco
Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned:
Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2)
Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3)
Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4)
Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV?
Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening!
Marcalamar 🙂
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast.
I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October.
My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips.
I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks for advising me on the booking—should I reserve a room in the hotel or go for a cabin for the best view?
Should I get breakfast or not?
What do you think of the restaurant?
Hello, if the off-the-beaten-path enthusiasts are still around 😉, I’d love some info on tackling these trails. I’m not super familiar with the rules, risks, or what to expect—I’m looking for firsthand experience from folks who’ve done it on their own once or multiple times.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning a week-long family trip to NYC in October 2026. The focus is on museums and soaking up the New York vibe. I’ve been checking Airbnb, but the prices in Manhattan are through the roof. Since I don’t know NYC well, is it "wise" to look outside Manhattan? Any neighborhoods you’d recommend?
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas)
T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC)
W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page
Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV)
F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab
Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce
Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion
M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas
Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Hi North America forum crew,
Just a little post that might interest some of you:
Travelers to the United States | Photo Now Mandatory Upon Entry and Exit | La Presse
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks...
For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400,
which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.).
Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
Hi everyone, I’m traveling to Los Angeles and would like to rent a vehicle at the airport. However, I have a Boursobank Ultim deferred debit card, so I’d love to know if it’s possible for those who’ve experienced this recently. Thanks for the info!
I’m planning a week in S.F. in April 2026 and I can’t figure out how to tell the cable cars—of which I understand there are three lines—apart from the trams, which I think number seven. I can’t find their individual numbers or routes anywhere.
Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2026 full of amazing travels.
Cheers,
Régine
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip through the American national parks starting from Denver in June 2026.
The price of the pass is jumping from 80 € to 250 € on January 1st, 2026!!!
Is it possible to buy the pass online before the end of the year to lock in the 80 € rate? If so, where and how do I go about it?
Thanks for your tips.
Arnale
I’m planning a road trip for July 2026 in northern Florida. Could you let me know if my itinerary makes sense?
Day 1: Orlando
Day 2: Amelia Island
Day 3: Amelia Island
Day 4: Tallahassee
Day 5: Panama City Beach
Day 6: Panama City Beach (visit to Destin)
Day 7: Crystal River (stop in Cedar Key on the way)
Day 8: Crystal River
Day 9: Anna Maria (stop in Clearwater)
Day 10: Anna Maria (St. Pete)
Day 11: Anna Maria
Day 12: Orlando
Day 13: Orlando
Day 14: Orlando
Day 15: Departure
We just finished 9 days in the American West and wanted to share our experience because we had an amazing time.
I know some of you might ask, why use an agency? Honestly, we didn’t really feel like doing all the driving and planning, especially since we didn’t know the area at all. And since our English isn’t great, having French-speaking guides was a big comfort.
We found Emmanuelle and Isabelle, and wow, they were fantastic. It was just the two of us with them, so it was a truly VIP, ultra-personalized experience. They treated us like royalty from start to finish. These two live in Las Vegas and know the region like the back of their hand. They told us they’ve spent over 15 years exploring every corner of the American West, and it really shows. Their knowledge of geology, park history, and local anecdotes is just impressive. It’s nothing like someone reciting a memorized script. They answer all your questions and really adapt to what you want to see or do.
What we really loved: the vehicle was super comfortable, and the little details made a difference—like snacks and even a homemade cake! Though, to be fair, we devoured the cake right away, so that counts.
Since they know the sites inside out, they took us at the right times to avoid crowds. So we could enjoy peaceful picnics at Grand Canyon viewpoints without being packed in with 200 people. Plus, on top of the must-see spots, they showed us some hidden gems that were absolutely stunning—places we never would’ve found on our own. They’re true locals who know all the best tips.
The service was really personalized. They adapted to our pace and preferences, and we could stop whenever we wanted to take photos. It’s the luxury of being in a small private group—you’re not just a number on a big bus.
In short, we really felt like we were traveling with friends rather than professional guides. Everything’s included in the price (hotel pickup, meals, park entries, etc.), so the value for money is fair.
We loved it so much that we’re already planning to come back next year to explore other areas with them. I think we’ve caught the American West bug—it’s all we can think about, and we can’t wait to return.
If you’re looking for a French-speaking tour with real personalized service and guides who know the region like no one else, we highly recommend them. We had unforgettable moments. They also design road trips for those who don’t want a guide. And they handled our hotel reservations in Las Vegas too. If you want genuine advice from friendly locals, we’re giving them a 200% recommendation!
