Feasibility of 15-day Bulgaria-Istanbul family itinerary
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Hi everyone,

This summer, our family (dad, mom, a 17-year-old teen, and an 11-year-old pre-teen) wants to explore Bulgaria and include 4 days in Istanbul during our trip. I’ve got a rough plan, but I’m not sure if it’s doable—here’s what I’m thinking:

Arrival on August 12th in Sofia at 2:00 PM → pick up rental car, visit Sofia. 13th: Sofia → Rila → Sofia 14th: Sofia to Plovdiv, overnight in Plovdiv 15th: Plovdiv to Nessebar (or Sozopol—which is better?) 16th/17th/18th: Exploring the Black Sea coast, based in Sozopol/Nessebar 19th: Bus from Burgas to Istanbul (7-hour trip) 20th-21st-22nd-23rd: Istanbul 24th: Return bus from Istanbul to Burgas. Overnight in Burgas 25th: Burgas → Veliko Tarnovo (Bojentsi) 26th: Veliko Tarnovo to Sofia via Koprivshtitsa 27th: Early flight home

→ In this itinerary, I’ve planned 4 full days in Istanbul. I could reduce it to 3 (since we’ll also spend the evening of the 19th there) and add an extra day to the return trip from Burgas to Sofia, around Veliko Tarnovo/Koprivshtitsa.

My questions: -My 17-year-old son and I are passionate about music, especially klezmer, Romani, and jazz. Any good spots in Sofia, Istanbul, or elsewhere? -Things to do with an 11-year-old kid? -Experiences with the Burgas-Istanbul bus?

Thanks for your feedback!
NO Normandaluz Veteran ·
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I have another question: visiting Orthodox churches in Bulgaria and mosques in Istanbul. Can we visit all of them? Are there any specific codes (dress code, among others) to follow? Can women enter Orthodox churches (I’m asking because colleagues who visited Romania had an issue with mixed-gender access in some places)?

Thanks
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Hi, In my opinion, too much driving and two round trips that aren’t very practical.

Day 13: Sofia -> Rila -> Sofia

Honestly, doing a round trip to Rila (all in one day!) just to see this monastery... Even if it’s the largest, it’s not really the most beautiful you can see in Bulgaria. The best in this area are the hikes you can do in the surrounding mountains near the lakes, but with teens...??

Either you skip the Rila round trip or you continue south toward Melnik, then the Rhodopes with a stop at Kovatchevitsa, a 16th-century village in the Rhodope Mountains (bordering Greece), in the middle of nature at 1,100m altitude. It’s one of Bulgaria’s most famous villages, having preserved its authentic character with houses over 200 years old. Continue to Trigrad for a walk in Dyavolsko garlo (Devil’s Throat Gorge).

Head back up to Plovdiv, stopping at Zabardo to see the Chudnite Arches.

Veliko Tarnovo (Bojentsi) Day 26: Veliko Tarnovo to Sofia via Koprivshtitsa.

Veliko Tarnovo: Don’t miss it! Koprivshtitsa: Worth seeing too! As for the rest, I don’t know—I avoided the Black Sea. There’s so much to see in the Stara Planina mountains! The Troyan Monastery, for example.

I’d save Istanbul for another trip! Way too much driving... and another round trip on top of that!!

I have another question: visiting Orthodox churches in Bulgaria and mosques in Istanbul. Can we visit all of them?

Yes, no problem in Bulgaria!

Women can enter Orthodox churches (I’m asking because colleagues who visited Romania had an issue with mixed-gender access to these places)

I don’t know where they went in Romania, but there’s no gender segregation in Orthodox churches. The same goes for Bulgaria and Romania!

For mosques, in theory, no problem in Istanbul, but things may have changed in recent years with the rise of stricter Islamic practices.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
NO Normandaluz Veteran ·
Thanks so much, Djalma, I’ll think about it! But Istanbul—we’re definitely going, I promised my little guy 😉 That was actually our original plan, to continue into Turkey afterward. However... the prices from Seville or Faro to Istanbul are prohibitive (around 450 euros), but there’s a Málaga/Sofia round-trip for 150 euros.

I’m reconsidering a strategy: maybe either skip Rila or, on the contrary, keep going into the Rhodopes and forget about Nessebar and the coast. Well, there’s still time, and the tickets aren’t booked yet.

Thanks again!
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
I’d save Sofia for the return trip (not much to see except the center and Vitosha Blvd). If Turkey is your main goal, look for a flight to Plovdiv or Varna/Burgas instead. From Malaga, there are flights to Plovdiv for under 200 € in July. Plovdiv is a beautiful city! Much better than Sofia! Good and cheap guesthouse in Plovdiv: Saborna 25 guesthouse. Anyway, I think your itinerary is too packed—you’ll just be driving unless you stick to the plains and take the most direct route east via the highway… But be careful: this international road is dangerous, with lots of accidents involving trucks! If you’re renting a car in Sofia, where do you plan to return it? PS: Aside from the Sofia-Plovdiv-Edirne route (which is flat and not very scenic), the rest of Bulgaria is worth exploring. Also, when renting a car, make sure the deposit isn’t debited from your account right away but only "blocked," because getting it back (with some rental companies) won’t be easy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
UN UnaMilanese Veteran ·
Hi Vincent,

Since I haven’t traveled along the Bulgarian Black Sea coast (what I’d seen of the Pontic shores in Romania or Turkey didn’t inspire me to expand the experience), I don’t have an opinion on that. However, I *loved* our 2-night stay in Kovatchevitsa in the Rhodopes, under the storms, in one of those gorgeous and cozy traditional houses with covered terraces overlooking the mountains—where you feast on delicious yogurt (but how can they call the stuff sold in supermarkets "Bulgarian yogurt"!) and homemade blueberry jam. Bonus: the tiny road to get there winds through Pomak villages, this marginalized population in Bulgaria. Tryavna is also worth a detour. My trip was 12 years ago, so I can’t say for sure if these places are still the same.

Catherine
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Part of my previous message got lost. I meant to say that apart from two main routes—like Sofia-Plovdiv (Maritsa plain)—the road to Turkey (Edirne) isn’t really scenic. Bulgaria is mostly mountains (Stara Planina, Rila, Pirin, Rhodopes) with narrow, winding roads where you rarely go faster than 40-50 km/h.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
NO Normandaluz Veteran ·
Hi there.

I found an even cheaper flight than Málaga-Sofia: Seville (which is closer to home) to Istanbul round-trip.

So, this changes things. We haven’t decided yet between these two options:

1. Istanbul -> Ephesus -> Chios Island round-trip, meaning we’d stay in Turkey

or

2. Istanbul + Bulgaria — but in this case, I saw there are Istanbul-Plovdiv buses that aren’t too long, so we’d skip the Black Sea and spend more time in the Rhodopes, from Plovdiv to Sofia.

We’ll decide around late March or early April. Thanks everyone!
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
1. Do Istanbul -> Ephesus -> Chios Island as a round trip, meaning stay in Turkey

That’s what I’d do, even if it means expanding the route in Turkey. I’d save Bulgaria for another trip. In any case, there’s no point going all the way to Sofia!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
ED Edno ·
Hi there, for someone living in Burgas, going to Turkey is an easy taste of the exotic East. Burgas is only 82 km from the border crossing, and the road to Kirklareli (total 120 km) or Edirne is in great condition. You can find the same shops as in Istanbul, without the traffic jams of that huge city. Taking the bus is convenient depending on your choice. We only once opted for a private minibus to go to Istanbul (never again!). We only go to Turkey for one or two nights in a hotel; otherwise, we use secure parking lots in the city center if we're not staying at a hotel. The Saturday market in Kirklareli is really enjoyable. Keep in mind that crossing the border can take a *very* long time. It's better to be "too early" than to get stuck in border traffic. For those reading this later, consider making a detour into Greece via the Edirne border, just 20 km away. It's been over 20 years, and there's still always something new to see and revisit in Bulgaria. One day, a Turkish customs officer made a comment I didn’t respond to: "You come here often, I see."

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