La carte d'identité de ma fille (13 ans) est périmée en juillet 2019, je n'ai aucun rendez-vous pour la renouveler avant septembre 2019 et doit partir en juillet 2019, l''ancienne carte de ma fille suffira-t-elle pour passer la frontière. Merci d'avance
Formalités frontière France - Italie
by Imosis
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour,
La carte d'identité de ma fille (13 ans) est périmée en juillet 2019, je n'ai aucun rendez-vous pour la renouveler avant septembre 2019 et doit partir en juillet 2019, l''ancienne carte de ma fille suffira-t-elle pour passer la frontière. Merci d'avance
La carte d'identité de ma fille (13 ans) est périmée en juillet 2019, je n'ai aucun rendez-vous pour la renouveler avant septembre 2019 et doit partir en juillet 2019, l''ancienne carte de ma fille suffira-t-elle pour passer la frontière. Merci d'avance
Bonjour,
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Hormis le fait si vous n'êtes pas une ou un ressortissant de l'Union Européenne, il n'y a plus de frontière entre la France et l'Italie. De mémoire, ce sont les accords de Schengen.... Depuis le 26 Octobre 1997 pour l'Italie. Mais je peux me tromper.😎
D'autre part, une CIN est valable cinq ans après sa date de péremption.
La carte d'identité de ma fille (13 ans) est périmée en juillet 2019, je n'ai aucun rendez-vous pour la renouveler avant septembre 2019 et doit partir en juillet 2019, l''ancienne carte de ma fille suffira-t-elle pour passer la frontière. Merci d'avance
Hormis le fait si vous n'êtes pas une ou un ressortissant de l'Union Européenne, il n'y a plus de frontière entre la France et l'Italie. De mémoire, ce sont les accords de Schengen.... Depuis le 26 Octobre 1997 pour l'Italie. Mais je peux me tromper.😎
D'autre part, une CIN est valable cinq ans après sa date de péremption.
Salut,
L'Italie accepte l'extension de 5 ans de la CI pour mineurs.
Voici le texte à imprimer en 3 langues: français, anglais, et italien.


Cordialement
Fayd
Bonsoir,
L'extensiosns est bien spécifiée pour les CI de personnes majeure.s pour les mimeurs restent la validité des 10 ans, voir dernière ligne .....Les cartes d'identité pour les personnes mineures à la date de délivrance restent valables 10 ans....
CG
Absolument pas ! Ca ne marche que pour les majeurs, et c'est d'ailleurs écrit dans le document que tu joins. Il faut arrêter de mettre des "infos" que tu trouves sur internet sur des sites foireux ou que tu ne comprends pas.
Quant à dire qu'il y a libre circulation entre la France et l'Italie, c'est vrai en théorie. La France et l'Italie ont rétabli les contrôles aux frontières, en raison du ping-pong avec les migrants entre les 2 pays. Rappelez-vous cette malheureuse Française qui a été retenue une journée par la police italienne, avant retour à l'envoyeur, pour avoir pris imprudemment en blablacar 2 marocains sans papiers... Alors affirmer qu'on peut passer la frontière par voie terrestre avec des papiers périmés... En plus quand tu pars en juillet et que tes papiers sont périmés en... juillet (!) tu n'attends pas le dernier moment pour les refaire.
Quant à dire qu'il y a libre circulation entre la France et l'Italie, c'est vrai en théorie. La France et l'Italie ont rétabli les contrôles aux frontières, en raison du ping-pong avec les migrants entre les 2 pays. Rappelez-vous cette malheureuse Française qui a été retenue une journée par la police italienne, avant retour à l'envoyeur, pour avoir pris imprudemment en blablacar 2 marocains sans papiers... Alors affirmer qu'on peut passer la frontière par voie terrestre avec des papiers périmés... En plus quand tu pars en juillet et que tes papiers sont périmés en... juillet (!) tu n'attends pas le dernier moment pour les refaire.
Bonsoir,
La règle, le droit, les lois et les accord internationaux entre deux Etats Schengen sont la libre circulation. Si contrôle il y a cela ne peut qu'être ponctuel ; et notre premier intervenant n'avait pas tort en disant que l'apparence y était pour beaucoup.
Michel
La règle, le droit, les lois et les accord internationaux entre deux Etats Schengen sont la libre circulation. Si contrôle il y a cela ne peut qu'être ponctuel ; et notre premier intervenant n'avait pas tort en disant que l'apparence y était pour beaucoup.
Michel
Erreur de frappe.
CI POUR MAJEUR extensible 5 ans.
Pas pour les mineurs.
Le site est officiel.[🙂
Cordialement
Fayd
Comme j'ai dit, c'est la théorie.
Je crois savoir que tu vis en Bretagne ? Donc bien loin de la frontière italienne.
J'imagine - peut-être à tort ? - que le demandeur cherche des réponses fiables, c'est à dire la réalité, et pas de la théorie fumeuse.
Comme j'ai dit, c'est la théorie.
Je crois savoir que tu vis en Bretagne ? Donc bien loin de la frontière italienne.
J'imagine - peut-être à tort ? - que le demandeur cherche des réponses fiables, c'est à dire la réalité, et pas de la théorie fumeuse.
Allez, dites-nous ce qu'il peut leur arriver de pire ? De discuter, ou de repasser un quart d'heure plus tard, non ?
Michel
Allez, dites-nous ce qu'il peut leur arriver de pire ? De discuter, ou de repasser un quart d'heure plus tard, non ?
Michel
Demande à la nana qui s'est fait arrêter en blablacar. Je pense qu'elle a moyennement apprécié de passer 24 heures au poste pour des gens qu'elle ne connaissait même pas.
Pour ma part j'ai toujours passé les frontières avec des documents en règle, faut dire que pour passer en Hongrie ou à Berlin Est, ça rigolait pas vraiment... J'ai même failli tâter des prisons russes, et ça m'a pas fait rigoler. 😮
Bref, elle fait un peu ce qu'elle veut...
Pour ma part j'ai toujours passé les frontières avec des documents en règle, faut dire que pour passer en Hongrie ou à Berlin Est, ça rigolait pas vraiment... J'ai même failli tâter des prisons russes, et ça m'a pas fait rigoler. 😮
Bref, elle fait un peu ce qu'elle veut...
Demande à la nana qui s'est fait arrêter en blablacar. Je pense qu'elle a moyennement apprécié de passer 24 heures au poste pour des gens qu'elle ne connaissait même pas.
Notez que ce n'étaient pas ses papiers à elle qui posaient problème. Comparaison n'est pas raison, comme on dit ; cet épisode n'a rien à voir avec le sujet de cette discussion.
Pour ma part j'ai toujours passé les frontières avec des documents en règle, faut dire que pour passer en Hongrie ou à Berlin Est, ça rigolait pas vraiment... J'ai même failli tâter des prisons russes, et ça m'a pas fait rigoler. 😮
Je ne vois pas le rapport là non plus avec la question posée. Je suis même assez vieux pour avoir moi aussi franchi le "rideau de fer". L'UE est justement construite pour que cela ne se reproduise pas.
Michel
Notez que ce n'étaient pas ses papiers à elle qui posaient problème. Comparaison n'est pas raison, comme on dit ; cet épisode n'a rien à voir avec le sujet de cette discussion.
Pour ma part j'ai toujours passé les frontières avec des documents en règle, faut dire que pour passer en Hongrie ou à Berlin Est, ça rigolait pas vraiment... J'ai même failli tâter des prisons russes, et ça m'a pas fait rigoler. 😮
Je ne vois pas le rapport là non plus avec la question posée. Je suis même assez vieux pour avoir moi aussi franchi le "rideau de fer". L'UE est justement construite pour que cela ne se reproduise pas.
Michel
Parles tu de ce cas ?
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2018/09/01/01016-20180901ARTFIG00046-un-francais-condamne-en-italie-pour-avoir-pris-deux-clandestins-en-blablacar.php
Le porte parole de BlaBlaCar confirme qu'il y avait eu des cas similaires en Allemagne, en Autriche et en Hongrie, donc en plein espace Schengen.
Je fais plusieurs dizaines de BlaBlaCar par an entre la France et l'Allemagne via la Belgique. Je ne demande jamais à voir les pièces d'identité de mes passagers même si BlaBlaCar le suggère. Il est vrai que je n'ai jamais été contrôlé aux frontières dans un sens comme dans l'autre.
Je suis comme toi, j'ai toujours mon passeport sur moi lorsque je vais à l'étranger (d'autant plus que ma CNI est périmée depuis 2007).
Le porte parole de BlaBlaCar confirme qu'il y avait eu des cas similaires en Allemagne, en Autriche et en Hongrie, donc en plein espace Schengen.
Je fais plusieurs dizaines de BlaBlaCar par an entre la France et l'Allemagne via la Belgique. Je ne demande jamais à voir les pièces d'identité de mes passagers même si BlaBlaCar le suggère. Il est vrai que je n'ai jamais été contrôlé aux frontières dans un sens comme dans l'autre.
Je suis comme toi, j'ai toujours mon passeport sur moi lorsque je vais à l'étranger (d'autant plus que ma CNI est périmée depuis 2007).
Parles tu de ce cas ?
www.lefigaro.fr/...ins-en-blablacar.php
En ce qui me concerne il ne me viendrait jamais à l'idée d'embarquer des passagers inconnus pour un tel trajet ; d'ailleurs même en Bretagne donc Anasthasie semble vouloir parler ce n'est pas très raisonnable, beaucoup de douane volante. Ceci dit, on n'a pas fait l'UE et Schengen pour voyager avec un passeport ; si c'est pour ça, autant revenir aux frontières bêtes et méchantes, et en payer le prix, bien entendu.
Michel
En ce qui me concerne il ne me viendrait jamais à l'idée d'embarquer des passagers inconnus pour un tel trajet ; d'ailleurs même en Bretagne donc Anasthasie semble vouloir parler ce n'est pas très raisonnable, beaucoup de douane volante. Ceci dit, on n'a pas fait l'UE et Schengen pour voyager avec un passeport ; si c'est pour ça, autant revenir aux frontières bêtes et méchantes, et en payer le prix, bien entendu.
Michel
La seule fois où j'ai été tentée de m'inscrire sur Blablacar c'est quand je suis partie de chez moi (sud de la France) jusqu'à Weimar en Allemagne, mais ça m'a vite gavée quand j'ai réalisé qu'il me faudrait être à telle heure à tel endroit, et j'ai rudement bien fait car il y avait une manif d'agriculteurs autour de Lyon et j'ai dû prendre la nationale jusqu'à Besançon...
Mais j'avoue que je ne sais pas si j'aurais pensé à demander à mes passagers s'ils étaient bien en règle au niveau papiers, tellement ça me paraît évident.
Je n'ai pas été contrôlée pour l'Allemagne, par contre je l'ai été pour la Suisse qui est pourtant dans Schengen, et dans le TGV pour Barcelone.
c'est bien ce que je dis , il y avait des Maghrébins dans la voiture ; perso , je passe la frontière plusieurs fois par an , personne ne m'a jamais rien demandé , et quand on voit une voiture controllée c'est qu'un conducteur ou passager n'est pas normal , blanc , comme disait Coluche
Bonjour,
C est vrai qu'à chaque passage entre France et Italie, par le Col du Mont Cenis ou tunnel du Fréjus, je n'ai jamais eu de contrôle de papier, et personne ne s'est aperçu que je voyageais avec mon chien, qui avait son passeport européen d'ailleurs...
CG
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There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
hi everyone,
I’m French and live in France, and my Thai girlfriend just told me she’s pregnant—she lives in Thailand. First step, a paternity test to set my mind at ease. What steps do I need to take to recognize the child? Can I do it before the birth or only after? Where do I need to go, and what paperwork is required?
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.







