Tour du Mont Blanc à pied en juin 2010
by Freddx
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
nous sommes 3 et souhaitons faire le tour du mont blanc (TMB-166km), merci d'avance pour votre partage d'expérience sur les questions suivantes:
- est-ce faisable de le faire en 4 jours ? quelles étapes prévoir ?
- ns comptons partir le 16.06.10, est-ce trop tôt ?
- pour le parcours, est-ce bien indiqué ? faut-il un gps, des cartes ?
Merci et à bientôt sur le voyageforum.com !
mi-juin, les cols devraient encore être enneigés .... du coup, c'est juste pour faire le tour "rapide" ... et 4 jours, c'est effectivement un peu rapide, au moins sur l'itinéraire type UTMB (qui n'emprunte pas les fonds de vallées, mais les parcours en balcon ....) A priori, ça reste à portée avec des portions "en vallée" avec emprunt de moyens de transports mécaniques (cars côté Italie sur Val Veny et Val Ferret - train sur la vallée de Cham ...) Bref, le plan ne paraît pas très bon .... plutôt fin Juillet/début Août ... là, sans neige, possibilité de faire "léger" et en course ... ou de faire ça tôt et plus "lourd" sur une partie seulement de l'itinéraire ou en "shutant" certains secteurs ...
michel mathieu
www.lethieu39.fr
Salut
Bien sûr que c'est toujours possible de le faire en 4 jours (le meilleur trailer de l'UTMB l'a fait en 21 heures! ) mais je suis d'accord avec Lethieu c'est un peu juste en juin car il y a eu beaucoup de neige cette année et certains cols seront certainement encore bien enneigés. Et puis à mon avis, les points de vues sont tellement grandioses que c'est dommage de speeder le nez dans les chaussures. Mais si c'est ce que tu recherches, pourquoi pas ?
Effectivement, juillet/août est plus propice, mais il y a aussi plus de monde (attention aux réservations dans les refuges)
Pour le parcours, si tu suis le parcours "classique", le balisage est correct, tu n'as pas besoin de GPS (enfin ça, c'est l'avis de quelqu'un qui n'est pas très pro-GPS en rando).
Si tu comptes emprunter des variantes non balisées, voire des raccourcis, les cartes Top25 me paraissent plutôt utiles. Si tu comptes faire le tour classique (GR5 en France + la Suisse + l'Italie) ou avec ses variantes les balisages étant permanents, le Topo-guide de la FFRP te suffira. D'autant que tu y trouves tous les renseignements sur les refuges, les ravitaillements possibles, les temps des étapes, etc...
Bien sûr que c'est toujours possible de le faire en 4 jours (le meilleur trailer de l'UTMB l'a fait en 21 heures! ) mais je suis d'accord avec Lethieu c'est un peu juste en juin car il y a eu beaucoup de neige cette année et certains cols seront certainement encore bien enneigés. Et puis à mon avis, les points de vues sont tellement grandioses que c'est dommage de speeder le nez dans les chaussures. Mais si c'est ce que tu recherches, pourquoi pas ?
Effectivement, juillet/août est plus propice, mais il y a aussi plus de monde (attention aux réservations dans les refuges)
Pour le parcours, si tu suis le parcours "classique", le balisage est correct, tu n'as pas besoin de GPS (enfin ça, c'est l'avis de quelqu'un qui n'est pas très pro-GPS en rando).
Si tu comptes emprunter des variantes non balisées, voire des raccourcis, les cartes Top25 me paraissent plutôt utiles. Si tu comptes faire le tour classique (GR5 en France + la Suisse + l'Italie) ou avec ses variantes les balisages étant permanents, le Topo-guide de la FFRP te suffira. D'autant que tu y trouves tous les renseignements sur les refuges, les ravitaillements possibles, les temps des étapes, etc...
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Bonjour
Oui je confirme, en 4 jours c'est possible! Mais en juin je doute… encore très enneigé jusque début juillet!
J'ai fait le TMB un certain nombre de fois, et de jours. Dont un tour en 3 jours et demi… car le dernier jour j'avais bouclé la boucle à midi! C'est vrai qu'il ne faut pas traîner en route, mais j'ai quand même fait des pauses ; et j'avais 40 ans, ce qui n'est pas tout jeune non plus! 😉
Mes étapes étaient :
1 – Les Houches – refuge Elisabetta Soldini
2 – refuge Elisabetta – Champex (par le val Ferret italien et Suisse).
3 – Champex – La Flégère (par la fenêtre d'Arpette)
4 – La Flégère – Les Houches (par le Brévent).
C'était en Août, et j'avais un sac à dos normal ainsi que mon piolet qui ne me quittait jamais à l'époque!
Sur mon site il y a toujours la description de mon "Tour du Mont Blanc 1985" avec photos : çà peut servir d'inspiration… 🙂
Jean-Claude
Oui je confirme, en 4 jours c'est possible! Mais en juin je doute… encore très enneigé jusque début juillet!
J'ai fait le TMB un certain nombre de fois, et de jours. Dont un tour en 3 jours et demi… car le dernier jour j'avais bouclé la boucle à midi! C'est vrai qu'il ne faut pas traîner en route, mais j'ai quand même fait des pauses ; et j'avais 40 ans, ce qui n'est pas tout jeune non plus! 😉
Mes étapes étaient :
1 – Les Houches – refuge Elisabetta Soldini
2 – refuge Elisabetta – Champex (par le val Ferret italien et Suisse).
3 – Champex – La Flégère (par la fenêtre d'Arpette)
4 – La Flégère – Les Houches (par le Brévent).
C'était en Août, et j'avais un sac à dos normal ainsi que mon piolet qui ne me quittait jamais à l'époque!
Sur mon site il y a toujours la description de mon "Tour du Mont Blanc 1985" avec photos : çà peut servir d'inspiration… 🙂
Jean-Claude
inscrivez vous au tmb si vous voulez vous etalonner il y a toujours meilleur que soi et la preparation important il y a encore + raide le tour en helicoptere sagit il de randonnee ou de raid fouiller les sites du t m b vous allez etre surpris il y a du lourd et avant d arriver a ce niveau ? la bonne journee
jacques dubot
Bonjour,
Et puis à mon avis, les points de vues sont tellement grandioses que c'est dommage de speeder le nez dans les chaussures. Mais si c'est ce que tu recherches, pourquoi pas ?
on est d'accord c'est vraiment dommage de ne pas en profiter pour regarder les paysages..😉 je ne vois vraiment pas l'intérêt de faire le Tour du Mont Blanc dans un temps le plus court possible.. à ce moment-là pourquoi ne pas faire le Marathon de Paris ou autre compétition sportive ? Déjà que dans le quotidien il faut courir pour attraper les transports en commun etc..alors en montagne et dans la nature c'est bien de souffler..
Et puis à mon avis, les points de vues sont tellement grandioses que c'est dommage de speeder le nez dans les chaussures. Mais si c'est ce que tu recherches, pourquoi pas ?
on est d'accord c'est vraiment dommage de ne pas en profiter pour regarder les paysages..😉 je ne vois vraiment pas l'intérêt de faire le Tour du Mont Blanc dans un temps le plus court possible.. à ce moment-là pourquoi ne pas faire le Marathon de Paris ou autre compétition sportive ? Déjà que dans le quotidien il faut courir pour attraper les transports en commun etc..alors en montagne et dans la nature c'est bien de souffler..
Bonjour,
je ne vois vraiment pas l'intérêt de faire le Tour du Mont Blanc dans un temps le plus court possible..
Tout dépend les motivations de chacun, et du moment... on peut être contemplatif et sportif en même temps!
Quand on a fait le TMB une dizaine de fois en 8 ou 10 étapes, et randonner souvent tout autour, et gravit plusieurs sommets du massif, on peut avoir envie de le faire autrement, si tant est que le physique et le mental tiennent le coup...
La montagne peut être considérée comme un sport et un terrain de jeu, au même titre que le macadam parisien... 😉
Jean-Claude 😎
je ne vois vraiment pas l'intérêt de faire le Tour du Mont Blanc dans un temps le plus court possible..
Tout dépend les motivations de chacun, et du moment... on peut être contemplatif et sportif en même temps!
Quand on a fait le TMB une dizaine de fois en 8 ou 10 étapes, et randonner souvent tout autour, et gravit plusieurs sommets du massif, on peut avoir envie de le faire autrement, si tant est que le physique et le mental tiennent le coup...
La montagne peut être considérée comme un sport et un terrain de jeu, au même titre que le macadam parisien... 😉
Jean-Claude 😎
superman robocop on peut aussi faire du virtuel soit tu fais du trail soit tu randonnes tu profites tu peux faire des photos mais si tu veux avoir fini avant d avoir commence on ne voit pas l interet il faut dans ces cas la s etalonner avec les meilleurs ça evite d avoir les chevilles qui gonflent et la tete qui enfle c est tout simplement ce que je voulais viser le macadam y en a partout et les vedettes aussi plein les magazines specialises + la tele c est pas mon truc et pis c est tout
jacques dubot
Tout d'abord Bonjour M. Dubot.
Je ne me prends pas pour superman, robocop, ou autres, quoi que si certains m'y trouvent une ressemblance, cela ne me déplairait pas! Je n'ai jamais fait de virtuel... 🙂
S'étalonner avec les meilleurs? C'est une idée : j'y avais pas pensé! 😛
Faire le TMB en 10 jours ou en 3 jours ne m'a jamais empêché de faire des pauses et des photos!
Voir mon descriptif et photos : www.randoalp.com\tmb1985\tmb85.html
Je vous trouve bien hargneux... Laissez donc les gens s'exprimer. Et que chacun fasse ce qui lui plait! En quoi cela vous gêne si quelqu'un fait le TMB en 1 jour, 4 jours, ou en 3 semaines? ou si on court sur le macadam de Paris ou d'ailleurs?
A propos d'enflements, vous m'avez fait peur, mais je suis rassuré! Je viens de remettre mes chaussures de rando : les pieds sont toujours très à l'aise dedans, aucun gonflement, et ma casquette me va toujours "comme un gant"... ouf!!!!! Sachez qu'à 65 ans je pèse toujours mes 60kg le matin nu et à jeun, comme à 20 ans ; il est évident que pour grimper çà aide! 😉
Mon précédent message ne s'adressait pas à vous, et pour moi cette discussion devenue sans intérêt, est close!
Jean-Claude 😎
Je vous trouve bien hargneux... Laissez donc les gens s'exprimer. Et que chacun fasse ce qui lui plait! En quoi cela vous gêne si quelqu'un fait le TMB en 1 jour, 4 jours, ou en 3 semaines? ou si on court sur le macadam de Paris ou d'ailleurs?
A propos d'enflements, vous m'avez fait peur, mais je suis rassuré! Je viens de remettre mes chaussures de rando : les pieds sont toujours très à l'aise dedans, aucun gonflement, et ma casquette me va toujours "comme un gant"... ouf!!!!! Sachez qu'à 65 ans je pèse toujours mes 60kg le matin nu et à jeun, comme à 20 ans ; il est évident que pour grimper çà aide! 😉
Mon précédent message ne s'adressait pas à vous, et pour moi cette discussion devenue sans intérêt, est close!
Jean-Claude 😎
il ne faut pas ecouter les conversations c est pas bien surtout lorsqu elles ne s adressent pas a vous c etait plutot destine a l autre interlocuteur au mois de mai chacun fait ce qui lui plait l expression est libre heureusement la bonne journee
jacques dubot
Effectivement il a beaucoup neigé cette année, et cela ne semble pas terminé. La neige est annoncée à 1800-2000 mètres pour ces jours :
Cet après-midi : très nuageux avec quelques précipitations intermittentes, fréquentes et abondantes sur les Alpes valaisannes et le Haut-Valais. Limite des chutes de neige entre 1800 et 2000 mètres.
Cet après-midi : très nuageux avec quelques précipitations intermittentes, fréquentes et abondantes sur les Alpes valaisannes et le Haut-Valais. Limite des chutes de neige entre 1800 et 2000 mètres.
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I’m not planning to join an organized group—just traveling with one other person and organizing things ourselves—unless you’d recommend a local agency or guide. Finally, even though I’ll be getting maps, a topo guide, and a GPS, I’d really appreciate your top hiking recommendations. Thanks so much for your tips!
Hi there,
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
I’m planning to do the Mercantour crossing following the Randoxygène route in mid-July. I’m used to hiking in the mountains, but I sometimes get vertigo, for example on ridges with drops on both sides. I wanted to check if there are any T4 or T3-T4 sections and find out if there are any very exposed passages—and if so, where—so I can plan an alternative route. Can anyone give me some info on this? Thanks!
hi there,
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra