Guide sur la Birmanie: Lonely ou Routard?
by Philgbo
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Après avoir effectué la fonction VF Rechercher, j'ai constaté que le débat du guide le plus adapté (Lonely ou Routard) n'était pas "tranché" : constate t on des évolutions avec l'un plus récent que l'autre ? Les modes de transports apparaissent mieux décrits dans le Lonely sans oublier un aspect culturel plus explicite. Vos avis (récents) sont les bienvenus, pour ceux ayant eu l'opportunité de les utiliser sur le terrain bien entendu.
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
pour moi, les meilleurs sont ceux de la collection ROUGH GUIDES, mais ils ne traitent pas de la Birmanie actuellement.
sinon un faible pour le LP
et avant de partir en birmanie, il faut lire
http://www.amazon.fr/Chroniques-birmanes-Guy-Delisle/dp/2756009334/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215705175&sr=8-10
http://www.amazon.fr/Birmane-Prix-Interallié-Christophe-Ono-Dit-Biot/dp/2259203442/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215705369&sr=1-1
😎
sinon un faible pour le LP
et avant de partir en birmanie, il faut lire
http://www.amazon.fr/Chroniques-birmanes-Guy-Delisle/dp/2756009334/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215705175&sr=8-10
http://www.amazon.fr/Birmane-Prix-Interallié-Christophe-Ono-Dit-Biot/dp/2259203442/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215705369&sr=1-1
😎
http://www.amazon.fr/...15705175&sr=8-10
Alors qu'il nous avait régalé avec "Shenzhen", G. Delisle nous livre ici des chroniques d'une platitude affligeante et ultra-nombrilistes. Un quasi dédain choquant de la politique intérieure birmane et de ses conséquences (des sujets graves à peine introduits en 2 ou 3 vignettes seulement), contre une obsession de son confort personnel (de pleines pages sur le "club australien de loisirs", les sauteries entre gens biens des ONG, sa superette de quartier, sa recherche d'une maison, le lait de son bébé, j'en passe et les meilleurs).
http://www.amazon.fr/...215705369&sr=1-1
LE PLAN B, n° 11 Déc. 2007-janv. 2008
LA LAISSE D'OR La lutte est acharnée mais le Plan B ne décerne la laisse d'or qu'au plus servile.
Journaliste barbouilleur de romans de plage, Christophe Ono-dit-Biot a reçu le prix Interallié 2007 pour un livre, Birmane, considéré comme un des plus affligeants de la rentrée. Ce "voyage pétri d'amour et de chagrin" qui veut "ressusciter l'enfant en nous" charrie les lieux communs avec une telle persévérance qu'une critique littéraire, Blanche Baudouin, a menacé de mettre un terme à sa carrière dans le cas où cette "confiture de guimauve" décrochait un prix littéraire. "De dépit, se souvient-elle, j'avais jeté le livre à l'autre bout de la pièce en me demandant comment un éditeur pouvait publier une telle daube." La réponse est simple : armé d'une brosse à reluire tout-terrain et d'une paire d'incisives qui labourent la moquette, Ono-dit-Biot est, à 32 ans, rédacteur-en-chef du service culture du Point. Son protecteur, Franz-Olivier Giesbert, mise sur sa "belle gueule" et son conformisme canaille pour "rajeunir l'image" du magazine des cadres gérontophiles. Autant dire que son génie ne souffre aucune objection : Birmane est l'oeuvre "d'un grand témoin, on veut dire d'un vrai journaliste", s'exécute la chroniqueuse "livres" du Point en songeant à sa prime de fin d'année. Un an plus tôt, Ono-dit-Biot avait su mériter ces éloges en publiant un long réquisitoire contre les chômeurs qui "ont dévoyé la générosité du modèle social français" : à partir du cas de "Thierry F.", un bénéficiaire de l'allocation spécifique de solidarité (440 euros par mois), roulant en voiture de sport et revendiquant 24 années de "farniente rémunéré", le "vrai journaliste" dénonçait la mollesse d'un État qui accepte d' "entretenir les parasites". Cet appel à la haine sociale se propagea aux organes de presse concurrents, offrant l'occasion au candidat Sarkozy de pilonner les "fraudeurs de l'Unedic". Au même moment, l'employeur d'Ono-dit-Biot, François Pinault, raflait 155 millions d'euros de dividendes pour 2006, soit 30 000 années d'ASS. Pour savourer son triomphe, le jeune prodige part essayer son slip de bain à Rangoon. D'où il rapporte une rédaction de vacances dont la sortie - miracle - coïncide avec le soulèvement des bonzes. Le voilà propulsé grand dissident de la dictature birmane : défiant les généraux sur TF1, dans Libération et à l'Élysée (où il est reçu par Sarkozy aux côtés de BHL, Bruckner et Glucksmann), Ono-dit-Biot s'envole vers un destin héroïque, sa laisse d'or en sautoir. LE PLAN B
Et comme disait lonji : On dirait que l'auteur a recensé tout ce qui parait représentatif de la Birmanie, comme un catalogue, a mélangé le tout et en a sorti un roman d'aventures assorti d'une histoire d'amour, complètement invraisemblable. En vrac : les sites touristiques (Inle, ...), les pierres précieuses (une histoire "abracadabrantesque" sur le plus gros rubis "sang de pigeon" qui atterrit dans les mains du héros), les fêtes "Jet Set" de la Junte, la visite incognito à Khun Sa sur son lit de mort !, et le plus fort : l'héroine, française, se transforme en chaman d'une ethnie du Nord (Les Padaung ?). A mourir de rire ce livre.
Ce qu'il faut lire, POUR COMPRENDRE PLUS SERIEUSEMENT :

Léon, le vrai.
Recentrons nous Messieurs.... ma question initiale est : Lonely ou Routard ? 😉😉
Je me fous des pages culturelles du Point...
Je me fous des pages culturelles du Point...
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
Lonely sans hesiter.
Plus clair notamment pour les transport.
Moins commercial.
Aspect culturel plus dense.
Reflexion sur les implications d'un voyage au Myanmar trés interessante (en gros comment voyager sans engraisser la junte.)
Plus d'info pour sortir des sentiers touristique.
Plus clair notamment pour les transport.
Moins commercial.
Aspect culturel plus dense.
Reflexion sur les implications d'un voyage au Myanmar trés interessante (en gros comment voyager sans engraisser la junte.)
Plus d'info pour sortir des sentiers touristique.
Je me fous
Ceci est un forum Monsieur,
Des questions publiques amènent des réponses diverses et variées, à l'attention du demandeur initial, mais aussi et surtout des milliers d'autres personnes qui consultent.
Vive la diversité.
Ceci est un forum Monsieur,
Des questions publiques amènent des réponses diverses et variées, à l'attention du demandeur initial, mais aussi et surtout des milliers d'autres personnes qui consultent.
Vive la diversité.
Léon, le vrai.
Bonjour perso je préfère le lonely que je trouve plus complet et plus fiable.Même si inévitablement il y a des différences de prix entre ce qui est indiqué et ce qu'il y a dans le guide.
Si tu veux des infos complémentaires va sur mon blog http://bzhjean.skyblog.com
Nous y avons passé 29 jours en janvier.
Jeannôt
blog d'infos pratiques sur : laos -inde du sud -kérala-myanmar-cambodge-malaisie : http://bzhjean.skyblog.com
J'avais deja ton blog en boite car je le trouve justement très précis et complet à cet effet. Mais je ne peux l'emmener avec toi comme un bouquin...
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
auucun...
si c'est pour avoir l'avis de mecs interdit de sejour au Myanmar autant demander l'avis de Than Shwe...
si c'est pour avoir l'avis de mecs interdit de sejour au Myanmar autant demander l'avis de Than Shwe...
autant le dire je hais le routard enfin son fondateur et sa mentalité ... (sans plus de commentaire ... il va me faire un proces !!!)
donc le lonely qui sera toujours plus complet (donc plus cher !!! voir peut etre trop complet pour des petits pays)
mais fo reconnaitre qu'il faut lire l'intro du routard (si ils ne l ont pas modifiée) pour le pti passage sur un certain bernard K..
hihihihi
sinon pays fabuleux ... tellement facil et les gens sont adorables sans vouloir commander une attitude: depenser son argent dans les toutes petites structures ...
sinon pays fabuleux ... tellement facil et les gens sont adorables sans vouloir commander une attitude: depenser son argent dans les toutes petites structures ...
auucun...
si c'est pour avoir l'avis de mecs interdit de sejour au Myanmar autant demander l'avis de Than Shwe...
Autant ne pas faire de réponse alors 🤪
si c'est pour avoir l'avis de mecs interdit de sejour au Myanmar autant demander l'avis de Than Shwe...
Autant ne pas faire de réponse alors 🤪
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
?!?
Et alors on fait partie de gens qui jouent les gros bras (avatar), veulent quitter les sentiers battus (comme les militaires salaries) et finalement on a peur du grand saut... sans guide ?!?
Les Birmans parlent tres bien anglais et renseignent au besoin
A la difference des guides ils sont la, eux.
Et alors on fait partie de gens qui jouent les gros bras (avatar), veulent quitter les sentiers battus (comme les militaires salaries) et finalement on a peur du grand saut... sans guide ?!?
Les Birmans parlent tres bien anglais et renseignent au besoin
A la difference des guides ils sont la, eux.
Si tu voyages dans l'intention de decouvrir une culture differente, la comprendre, visiter des sites, etc ... c'est le Lonely qu'il te faut.
Par contre si tu voyages pour te foutre de la gueule des autochones, de leurs coutumes et culture, te plaindre que le pays serait plus beau sans ses habitants et juste reservé aux bagpackers, c'est le routard qu'il te faut.
Par contre si tu voyages pour te foutre de la gueule des autochones, de leurs coutumes et culture, te plaindre que le pays serait plus beau sans ses habitants et juste reservé aux bagpackers, c'est le routard qu'il te faut.
?!?
Et alors on fait partie de gens qui jouent les gros bras (avatar), veulent quitter les sentiers battus (comme les militaires salaries) et finalement on a peur du grand saut... sans guide ?!?
Les Birmans parlent tres bien anglais et renseignent au besoin
A la difference des guides ils sont la, eux.
L'avatar est juste REPRESENTATIF de la Thailande car c'est le sport national 😉 à défaut de jouer les gros bras... En revanche je constate que tu joues les "grandes gu...les".
Le guide permet de PREPARER un voyage et de s'impregner : le Lonely date de 2006 mais reste neutre. Et le Routard (edition 2009) semble plus "politique"...
Et pour terminer, je ne suis pas militaire en mal d'émotions 🤪 et je parle très bien anglais. Bref tes remarques sont toujours sans interet, compensées fort heureusement par d'autres beaucoup plus judicieuses (farcyde par ex) . Et je n'ai jamais dit que tu polluais le forum... 😉 . PS Quant à ton blog; il y a des fôtes d'ortograf !! A relire.
Et alors on fait partie de gens qui jouent les gros bras (avatar), veulent quitter les sentiers battus (comme les militaires salaries) et finalement on a peur du grand saut... sans guide ?!?
Les Birmans parlent tres bien anglais et renseignent au besoin
A la difference des guides ils sont la, eux.
L'avatar est juste REPRESENTATIF de la Thailande car c'est le sport national 😉 à défaut de jouer les gros bras... En revanche je constate que tu joues les "grandes gu...les".
Le guide permet de PREPARER un voyage et de s'impregner : le Lonely date de 2006 mais reste neutre. Et le Routard (edition 2009) semble plus "politique"...
Et pour terminer, je ne suis pas militaire en mal d'émotions 🤪 et je parle très bien anglais. Bref tes remarques sont toujours sans interet, compensées fort heureusement par d'autres beaucoup plus judicieuses (farcyde par ex) . Et je n'ai jamais dit que tu polluais le forum... 😉 . PS Quant à ton blog; il y a des fôtes d'ortograf !! A relire.
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
bonne analyse 😉
le LP en anglais est d'avril 07
http://www.amazon.fr/Myanmar-Burma-anglais-Lonely-Planet/dp/1740591909/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&s=english-books&qid=1215947363&sr=8-15
et une prochaine version en octobre 08
http://www.amazon.fr/Lonely-Planet-Myanmar-Burma-Robert/dp/1741047188/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=english-books&qid=1215947363&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.fr/Myanmar-Burma-anglais-Lonely-Planet/dp/1740591909/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&s=english-books&qid=1215947363&sr=8-15
et une prochaine version en octobre 08
http://www.amazon.fr/Lonely-Planet-Myanmar-Burma-Robert/dp/1741047188/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=english-books&qid=1215947363&sr=8-1
Ton avatar il est egalement representatif de la boxe khmere qui est bien anterieurr a la boxe thaie... une copie.. tout comme leurs rites et languages monarchiques qu'ils ont emprunte a leur voisin
affreux
eh bien puisque tu parles anglais vas sur le sitye www.irawaddy.org au moinsa tu trouveras une info pertinante. tres bonne revue au passsage pas la clownerie du routard.
Vu l'etroitesse du marche touristique birman aucun editeur n'investira serieusement dans la production d'un guide qui de toute faqcon ne s'ecoulerait que de maniere confidentielle.
ce n'est pas rentable/jouable et c'est pour cela que les guides ne sont qu'un poids mort.
Mort aux cons ! "Vaste programme". Charles De Gaulle
ca + la boxe tu ne te trouves pas grande geule toi meme ?!?.. humm un brin agressif agressif, pret a cogner, pulveriser, reduire en poussiere... ceux qui n'ont pas de remarques interessantes...
Sur ce, mein General, je te laisse chosir ta voie pour Naypyidaw ou entre generaux vous devriez vous entendre...
affreux
eh bien puisque tu parles anglais vas sur le sitye www.irawaddy.org au moinsa tu trouveras une info pertinante. tres bonne revue au passsage pas la clownerie du routard.
Vu l'etroitesse du marche touristique birman aucun editeur n'investira serieusement dans la production d'un guide qui de toute faqcon ne s'ecoulerait que de maniere confidentielle.
ce n'est pas rentable/jouable et c'est pour cela que les guides ne sont qu'un poids mort.
Mort aux cons ! "Vaste programme". Charles De Gaulle
ca + la boxe tu ne te trouves pas grande geule toi meme ?!?.. humm un brin agressif agressif, pret a cogner, pulveriser, reduire en poussiere... ceux qui n'ont pas de remarques interessantes...
Sur ce, mein General, je te laisse chosir ta voie pour Naypyidaw ou entre generaux vous devriez vous entendre...
Question orthograve je laisse ce soin aux secretaires de redaction.
Un jour l'une d'elle m'en faisait la remarque. Ce a quoi je lui est replique : c'est bien, tu ne risques pas le chomage technique...
et j'en continu pas moisn a collectionner les boulettes... au point d'avoir ete repris a l'ocasion par le canard.
Un jour l'une d'elle m'en faisait la remarque. Ce a quoi je lui est replique : c'est bien, tu ne risques pas le chomage technique...
et j'en continu pas moisn a collectionner les boulettes... au point d'avoir ete repris a l'ocasion par le canard.
Question orthograve (jeu de mot intéressant) je laisse ce soin aux secretaires de redaction.
Un jour l'une d'elle m'en faisait la remarque. Ce a quoi je lui est (ai) replique : c'est bien, tu ne risques pas le chomage technique...
et j'en continue pas moisn a collectionner les boulettes... au point d'avoir ete repris a l'occasion par le canard.
Et ne me fais pas croire que tu es journaliste (c'est vrai y a comme un air de "je sais tout mieux que les autres Moaaa !")... Sinon j'en viendrai à avoir la raison du déclin de la presse française... 🤪 .
Sans rancune 😉
Un jour l'une d'elle m'en faisait la remarque. Ce a quoi je lui est (ai) replique : c'est bien, tu ne risques pas le chomage technique...
et j'en continue pas moisn a collectionner les boulettes... au point d'avoir ete repris a l'occasion par le canard.
Et ne me fais pas croire que tu es journaliste (c'est vrai y a comme un air de "je sais tout mieux que les autres Moaaa !")... Sinon j'en viendrai à avoir la raison du déclin de la presse française... 🤪 .
Sans rancune 😉
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
Les gens qui se vantent de partir à 15000 km de chez eux sans lire ou avoir un guide pratique (GR ou LP ou ...) me font mourir de rire!!!!😏
ma vie est mon voyage
Et si... my cup of tea c'est l'Asean.
l'orthographe, la grammaire et autres erreur de syntaxes ce n'est pas important.
Ce qui compte c'est connaitre ses sujets, avoir du style, etre pertinent et ne pas faire de grosse boulette genre "Myanmar pays de 42 millions d'habitants" vu dans un grand quotidien francais
Le reste n'est que de la mise en page, un travail routinier que font tres bien les secretraires de redaction.
Mais bon libre a chacun d'attacher l'importance qu'il veut a se genre de detail.
Bref, le fond prime sur la forme et c'est tant mieux sinon les journaux de demain seront realises par des robots.
Si tu y vois la un quelconque declin de la presse je te deconseille le routard parce que la le declin de la litterature...
Beurk !
l'orthographe, la grammaire et autres erreur de syntaxes ce n'est pas important.
Ce qui compte c'est connaitre ses sujets, avoir du style, etre pertinent et ne pas faire de grosse boulette genre "Myanmar pays de 42 millions d'habitants" vu dans un grand quotidien francais
Le reste n'est que de la mise en page, un travail routinier que font tres bien les secretraires de redaction.
Mais bon libre a chacun d'attacher l'importance qu'il veut a se genre de detail.
Bref, le fond prime sur la forme et c'est tant mieux sinon les journaux de demain seront realises par des robots.
Si tu y vois la un quelconque declin de la presse je te deconseille le routard parce que la le declin de la litterature...
Beurk !
ah ! pourquoi ?
salut,
le Loney, toujours et encore, plus complet, plusfiable et plus ouvert...
bon trip
Rafa
salut,
le Loney, toujours et encore, plus complet, plusfiable et plus ouvert...
bon trip
Rafa
MERCI à tous : le Lonely est privilégié haut la main !!!
MERCI à tous : le Lonely est privilégié haut la main !!!
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
Les gens qui se vantent de partir à 15000 km de chez eux sans lire ou avoir un guide pratique (GR ou LP ou ...) me font mourir de rire!!!!😏
Sophie
"L'espace libère de tout. Il n'est aucun tourment qui ne résiste à l'éparpillement de soi-même dans l'univers. Le monde serait-il si grand pour rien? déguerpir, c'est se sauver. Si tu meurs, pars. Si tu souffres, bouge. Il n'y a pas d'autre loi que le mouvement.
l'orthographe, la grammaire et autres erreurS de syntaxe ce n'est pas important.
Faire des efforts pour bien s'exprimer est un signe de respect..notamment pour celles et ceux qui te lisent...même sur un simple forum.
Ce qui compte c'est connaitre ses sujets, avoir du style, etre pertinent et ne pas faire de grosse boulette genre "Myanmar pays de 42 millions d'habitants" vu dans un grand quotidien francais
Clair que tu as un puuur style...😎
Le reste n'est que de la mise en page, un travail routinier que font tres bien les secretraires de redaction.
Bah alors, un grand garçon donneur de leçon aurait donc besoin des autres ...je n'ose y croire...
Mais bon libre a chacun d'attacher l'importance qu'il veut a Ce genre de detail.
Et si on se trompe d'un accent dans une langue comme...euh, le vietnamien par exemple...on peut faire un total contre-sens..mais bon, les secrétaires de rédaction sont là.
Bref, le fond prime sur la forme et c'est tant mieux sinon les journaux de demain seront realises par des robots.
Ou par des gens respectueux et cultivés...qui sait ??? Je garde espoir.
Rarement lu autant de c######es...et de mépris...et pourtant, je lis les posts d'Abalone...🤪
Les fôôtes de Thuan ne me font pas le même effet...comme quoi 😛 Peut être un soupçon d'humour 😏
A ce propos, le "Mort aux Cons" était donc un slogan soixante-huitard auquel De Gaulle répondait "Vaste Programme"...Etonnant que: D'une, tu n'aies pas ces références historiques dans tes tablettes... De Deux, que tu ne sois même pas capable de comprendre l'ironie de la réponse de ce cher Charlie...Au pire, demande à tes secrétaires de rédaction une explication de texte...😉
Bon Voyage...loin, loin, loin....
Faire des efforts pour bien s'exprimer est un signe de respect..notamment pour celles et ceux qui te lisent...même sur un simple forum.
Ce qui compte c'est connaitre ses sujets, avoir du style, etre pertinent et ne pas faire de grosse boulette genre "Myanmar pays de 42 millions d'habitants" vu dans un grand quotidien francais
Clair que tu as un puuur style...😎
Le reste n'est que de la mise en page, un travail routinier que font tres bien les secretraires de redaction.
Bah alors, un grand garçon donneur de leçon aurait donc besoin des autres ...je n'ose y croire...
Mais bon libre a chacun d'attacher l'importance qu'il veut a Ce genre de detail.
Et si on se trompe d'un accent dans une langue comme...euh, le vietnamien par exemple...on peut faire un total contre-sens..mais bon, les secrétaires de rédaction sont là.
Bref, le fond prime sur la forme et c'est tant mieux sinon les journaux de demain seront realises par des robots.
Ou par des gens respectueux et cultivés...qui sait ??? Je garde espoir.
Rarement lu autant de c######es...et de mépris...et pourtant, je lis les posts d'Abalone...🤪
Les fôôtes de Thuan ne me font pas le même effet...comme quoi 😛 Peut être un soupçon d'humour 😏
A ce propos, le "Mort aux Cons" était donc un slogan soixante-huitard auquel De Gaulle répondait "Vaste Programme"...Etonnant que: D'une, tu n'aies pas ces références historiques dans tes tablettes... De Deux, que tu ne sois même pas capable de comprendre l'ironie de la réponse de ce cher Charlie...Au pire, demande à tes secrétaires de rédaction une explication de texte...😉
Bon Voyage...loin, loin, loin....
tiens un bon secretaire de redaction... bien pinailleur, bien comme il faut mais sans style, sans imagination, sans rien, creux, vide, terne...
Quel ennui et quel manque de gout dans les egouts de ta carte orange.
on doit vraierment se faire c. dans ton secteur pour s'attacher a ce genre de details.
Mauis tu as raison sur un point je ne me suis jamais interesse de pres a De Gaulle.
ps pige pas (un comble) comment un litteraire classieux conmme tu est utilise des "smile niais"
Quel ennui et quel manque de gout dans les egouts de ta carte orange.
on doit vraierment se faire c. dans ton secteur pour s'attacher a ce genre de details.
Mauis tu as raison sur un point je ne me suis jamais interesse de pres a De Gaulle.
ps pige pas (un comble) comment un litteraire classieux conmme tu est utilise des "smile niais"
Gros Bisous 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
berk !
Du cote de Silom/Sathorn pour ce genre d'epanchements...
soi 4
Du cote de Silom/Sathorn pour ce genre d'epanchements...
soi 4
Dingue cette conversation est sans fin....
je raccroche les wagons: quand je lis un guide (GR ou LP ou...) j'aime mieux quand il n'y a pas de faute ça évite parfois des contre sens et c'est le minimum qu'un livre puisse offrir à ses lecteurs.
Je crois que si Karolus avait la chance de maîtriser toutes les subtibilités de la grammaire et de l'orthographe de la langue française il s'en vanterait (et il y aurait de quoi) et serait peut être même sévère avec ceux qui n'ont pas cette connaissance. Lorsqu'on connait mal quelque chose c'est naturel de penser que c'est secondaire voire inutile....puisque l'on vit sans et que l'on s'arrange pour vivre sans! Bon voyage avec ou sans guide!
Je crois que si Karolus avait la chance de maîtriser toutes les subtibilités de la grammaire et de l'orthographe de la langue française il s'en vanterait (et il y aurait de quoi) et serait peut être même sévère avec ceux qui n'ont pas cette connaissance. Lorsqu'on connait mal quelque chose c'est naturel de penser que c'est secondaire voire inutile....puisque l'on vit sans et que l'on s'arrange pour vivre sans! Bon voyage avec ou sans guide!
ma vie est mon voyage
Pour avoir visité le pays avec les deux guide l'an dernier, mon choix se porte... sur le Lonely
Sauf pour les 3 fabriques de laques "premium quality" recommandées par le routard qui sont indiquées à Bagan. Il faut dire qu'elles valent vraiment la peine et ne sont surtout à ne pas manquer. Je vous conseille de les visiter avant de commencer à acheter des petits coffres avec des éléphants et des petits plateaux. Cela vous donnera une meilleure idée de la qualité d'une laque et du prix auxquelles vous devriez les négocier. D'ailleurs, cela ne sert absolument à rien d'acheter des laques avant Bagan. Vous retrouverez là-bas tous les modèles que vous aurez vu sur le lac Inle ou ailleur et avec un prix de base moins cher.
Sauf pour les 3 fabriques de laques "premium quality" recommandées par le routard qui sont indiquées à Bagan. Il faut dire qu'elles valent vraiment la peine et ne sont surtout à ne pas manquer. Je vous conseille de les visiter avant de commencer à acheter des petits coffres avec des éléphants et des petits plateaux. Cela vous donnera une meilleure idée de la qualité d'une laque et du prix auxquelles vous devriez les négocier. D'ailleurs, cela ne sert absolument à rien d'acheter des laques avant Bagan. Vous retrouverez là-bas tous les modèles que vous aurez vu sur le lac Inle ou ailleur et avec un prix de base moins cher.
et hop !
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Perso je prefere le Lonely à l'utilisation...histoire de goût.
mais le Lonely sur la Birmanie date de 2006 et probablement que les infos y figurant ne sont plus d actualité.
J ai envoye un mail au LONELY au mois de juin pour connaitre la date de parution du nouveau guide sur la Birmanie .... Il serait édité courant premier trimestre 2009... je viens de leur refaire un mail pour connaitre la date de sortie précise car je suis en Birmanie ne mars 2009. J attend leur réponse.
Qlqu un a t il d autres infos ?
J ai envoye un mail au LONELY au mois de juin pour connaitre la date de parution du nouveau guide sur la Birmanie .... Il serait édité courant premier trimestre 2009... je viens de leur refaire un mail pour connaitre la date de sortie précise car je suis en Birmanie ne mars 2009. J attend leur réponse.
Qlqu un a t il d autres infos ?
Birmanie En Mars 2009 !!
Hummmmm il y a de l'idee mais non ce n'est pas mon style
du tout.
D'ailleurs je ne vois pas ou est le pb, qu'importe que l'on fasse de fautes ou non tant que le style et le contenu sont des plus corrects,
Aucune redaction ne fait de remarque dans ce cas la, ils s'en fichent eperduement (les correcteurs sont la, tant pis pour les benef des actionnaires...)
Il y a un cote tres maniaque, elitiste pour ne pas dire eugenique... dans cette exigence d'une orthograve parfaite.
je ne vois pas en quoi la maitrise parfaite du cote technique d'une langue donne de bon writers...
La chasuble grammaticale ne fait pas l'ecrivain. tout comme la geule de jeune premier ne fera pas le meilleur receptioniste ou vendeur.
Personne n'est parfait et c'est tant mieux.
Nah !
du tout.
D'ailleurs je ne vois pas ou est le pb, qu'importe que l'on fasse de fautes ou non tant que le style et le contenu sont des plus corrects,
Aucune redaction ne fait de remarque dans ce cas la, ils s'en fichent eperduement (les correcteurs sont la, tant pis pour les benef des actionnaires...)
Il y a un cote tres maniaque, elitiste pour ne pas dire eugenique... dans cette exigence d'une orthograve parfaite.
je ne vois pas en quoi la maitrise parfaite du cote technique d'une langue donne de bon writers...
La chasuble grammaticale ne fait pas l'ecrivain. tout comme la geule de jeune premier ne fera pas le meilleur receptioniste ou vendeur.
Personne n'est parfait et c'est tant mieux.
Nah !
Perso je prefere le Lonely à l'utilisation...histoire de goût.
mais le Lonely sur la Birmanie date de 2006 et probablement que les infos y figurant ne sont plus d actualité.
J ai envoye un mail au LONELY au mois de juin pour connaitre la date de parution du nouveau guide sur la Birmanie .... Il serait édité courant premier trimestre 2009... je viens de leur refaire un mail pour connaitre la date de sortie précise car je suis en Birmanie ne mars 2009. J attend leur réponse.
Qlqu un a t il d autres infos ?
J'ai fait pile poil comme toi pour connaitre la date de sortie : j'attends l'email de réponse 🤪 et j'y serais AUSSI en mars (à compter du 07/03 a priori) : y a peut etre moyen de moyenner !!!
J ai envoye un mail au LONELY au mois de juin pour connaitre la date de parution du nouveau guide sur la Birmanie .... Il serait édité courant premier trimestre 2009... je viens de leur refaire un mail pour connaitre la date de sortie précise car je suis en Birmanie ne mars 2009. J attend leur réponse.
Qlqu un a t il d autres infos ?
J'ai fait pile poil comme toi pour connaitre la date de sortie : j'attends l'email de réponse 🤪 et j'y serais AUSSI en mars (à compter du 07/03 a priori) : y a peut etre moyen de moyenner !!!
"Dans vos phrases, n'utilisez qu'un sujet, un verbe, un complément d"objet direct ; Quand vous aurez besoin d'un adjectif, venez me trouver." (Georges Clemenceau)
Bonjour philgbo,
Croisons les doigts pour qu il ai un nouveau lonely avant notre depart.
Sinon ma moitié et moi, on compte passer quelque jours pres de la frontiere thai pour visiter qlq minorités ethnique puis Bagan; Mandalay, M rauk U et tout le circuit habituel avec une forte envie de prendre des transports en commun variés ( l avion on le reserve pour les longues distance tel rangoon mandalay).
Enfin une petite semaine à la plage en Thailande probalement dans le sud de BKK la ou l on peut voir les salles de vente de rugby.
Qui sait peut etre qu on aurra un bout de chemin commun.
Croisons les doigts pour qu il ai un nouveau lonely avant notre depart.
Sinon ma moitié et moi, on compte passer quelque jours pres de la frontiere thai pour visiter qlq minorités ethnique puis Bagan; Mandalay, M rauk U et tout le circuit habituel avec une forte envie de prendre des transports en commun variés ( l avion on le reserve pour les longues distance tel rangoon mandalay).
Enfin une petite semaine à la plage en Thailande probalement dans le sud de BKK la ou l on peut voir les salles de vente de rugby.
Qui sait peut etre qu on aurra un bout de chemin commun.
Birmanie En Mars 2009 !!
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We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
Hi everyone,
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences!
Hi everyone, I’m looking to do a 15-day Muay Thai training course. Any great places to recommend? Thanks
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
Hello, it’s been a while since I last asked for your help on this forum—I’ve really missed it! I hope you’re all doing well, whether you're new or returning members.
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
I’m planning a trip from February 6 to 18, 2027, with my sister (we’re 47 and 50—time flies!). I’ve got my eye on a flight from Paris that lands in Bangkok on February 7 at 3 PM, with a return flight from Bangkok on February 18 at noon.
My sister has never been to this destination, and it’ll be her first time in Asia. Her priorities: beaches, sunshine, and cocktails by the shore. For me, I love that too, but I also enjoy exploring, nature, forests, and a bit of comfort (mixing guesthouses and higher-end hotels with pools). A little evening entertainment would be great, but not too much—good cocktails in a nice atmosphere rather than a rave party ;-). And I can’t help but dream of taking her on a little trek through a tropical forest (guaranteed memories and laughs, though she might curse me at the time) and showing her some karst landscapes.
I’ve been to Thailand before, but it was 15 years ago...
The idea is to give her a taste of Bangkok for 1 or 2 nights, a few days on an island (but which one...?), a tropical forest excursion with 1 or 2 nights on-site (Khao Sok?), and then back to Bangkok.
For the "main" island, even after reading the *Guide du Routard*, I’m still undecided. It’s hard to find a place that ticks all the boxes without feeling as crowded as the French Riviera in August: Koh Lanta? Khao Lak (though it’s not an island)? Koh Tao (I could maybe get my PADI certification, but I’m afraid she’d get bored, and it might be better to save that for a solo trip)? Koh Yao Yai (I worry we’d be bored in the evenings)? What a dilemma!
Thank you if you’ve read this far! Feel free to share any advice—it’ll all be warmly welcomed.
Here’s a rough outline of the itinerary (I’d rather skip a night in Bangkok if needed):
· Saturday, February 6, 2027: departure (overnight flight) · Sunday, February 7, 2027: arrival at 3 PM, probably at the hotel by 6 PM, evening in Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Monday, February 8, 2027: day in Bangkok (Wat Pho and a floating market?) (overnight in Bangkok) · Tuesday, February 9, 2027: travel to Koh Lanta or another island (flight to Phuket or Krabi?) (overnight on island "x") · Wednesday, February 10, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Thursday, February 11, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Friday, February 12, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Saturday, February 13, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Sunday, February 14, 2027: beach and walks (overnight on island "x") · Monday, February 15, 2027: travel to Khao Sok—nighttime excursion to Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Tuesday, February 16, 2027: exploration and hike in Khao Sok (overnight in Khao Sok) · Wednesday, February 17, 2027: return trip to Bangkok (overnight in Bangkok) · Thursday, February 18, 2027: return flight to Paris at noon
Hi,
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
To save time, we sometimes take long-distance taxis for certain trips in Asia.
We're considering doing the PP - Sen Monorom route by private taxi. Does anyone have an idea of the price for such a distance (380 km)?
Thanks in advance for your tips.
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
I’m planning a trip to Cambodia and was set on visiting the Ratanakiri region, which seemed to match what we love most in terms of landscapes: forests, jungle, greenery...
However, as I started looking into the area, I read that deforestation there is massive, and some of the info on the topic is years old—the situation hasn’t improved since, unfortunately.
So my question is: is Ratanakiri still worth visiting, and does it justify the long travel time and distance to get there?
I’ve seen that jungle treks are possible, but from experience, I know guides sometimes hesitate to venture deep into the forest and stick to shorter walks along the edges of parks.
Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Hi there,
I’ve found so many tips and reviews on this forum, so it’s my turn to contribute a little.
We spent just over two weeks with our family, with the following itinerary:
- Hanoi: 5 days
- Halong Bay: 3 days and 2 nights
- Tam Coc: 3 days
- Mai Chau: 2 days
- Sapa: 3 days
We got around by bike, scooter, Grab, and bus.
Our main accommodations were homestays and hotels in Hanoi.
We visited lots of museums, temples, and neighborhoods in Hanoi.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Sapa with May, a Hmong local, without going through an agency.
A few small regrets: the weather was overcast, and we couldn’t make it to Fansipan, but nothing major 😅. We also couldn’t find transport to get from Sapa to Mu Cang Chai.
Other than that, this trip will stay in our memories for the kindness of the Vietnamese people, the connections we made, the food (street food, homestays...), the coffee 😋, the landscapes, and how easy it was to get around...
Our goal was to take our time and focus only on a small part of northern Vietnam.
If you need any tips or recommendations, don’t hesitate to ask.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cédric.
Hi there, we’re landing at Hanoi Airport and would like to head straight to Cao Bang without going into Hanoi. Does anyone know if there are buses that go directly from the airport to Cao Bang (especially in the early afternoon)? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
I’m currently working on a 30-day itinerary for May/June 2027.
10 days in eastern Java (Malang, Bromo, waterfalls, Meru Beriti Park, Banyuwangi, and Ijen), a short transit in Ubud for a few days, then Flores before heading back to Jakarta.
We’ll spend 15 days in Flores (the classic route: Moni, Bajawa, Riung, Ruteng, ending in Labuan Bajo).
I’d love some firsthand feedback on flights to Maumere or Ende from Bali Denpasar. I know there are no direct routes and that you have to connect through Labuan Bajo or Timor (I think), which isn’t an issue in itself.
But I’ve read here and there that flights to these destinations can be delayed—or worse, canceled—and that it’s better to fly in and out of Labuan Bajo, which isn’t exactly ideal...
Thanks for any tips or experiences you can share!
hi everyone,
I want to travel in the north for 3 weeks in September-October 2026 to meet ethnic minorities, photograph mountain rice terraces and their harvest, and revisit Halong Bay—but maybe Lan Ha Bay instead. Can you recommend one or more local agencies?
Thanks, and happy holidays!
Hello,
We’re a couple looking for a driver for 10 days to explore Northern Vietnam in April.
Best regards,
Hi there,
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I need some expert advice on these two destinations for a 15-day trip. We land in KL and plan to stay for 2 days before heading to Borneo and finishing with an island for snorkeling. For those who’ve been, what are your must-sees? We were thinking of spending the last 3 days on the Perhentian Islands, unless you’ve got another island to recommend near Borneo. Thanks for your tips and help!
I’d love to get some feedback on our itinerary—it’s probably pretty basic! This is our second trip to Asia and our first to Indonesia. We have three kids aged 20, 18, and 12. We land in Jakarta at 4 PM, spend 3 nights/2 days there, then take the train to Yogyakarta for 3 nights/2 days, followed by the train to Surabaya for 2 nights/1 day, then the train to Bromo for 1 day/1 night, a private driver to Ijen for 2 nights/2 days, then on to Bali (Ubud) for 4 nights/3 days, followed by Gili Air for 3 nights/2 days, Senggigi (Lombok) for 2 nights, and finally 5 nights in Kuta. I’m considering cutting the 2 nights in Senggigi to just keep Kuta and extend it to 7 nights. In Lombok, I’m not sure how to get around since I’m not comfortable with scooters... Your thoughts on all of this, and any advice, are more than welcome—don’t hesitate!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
For those wondering why cities like Jakarta and Surabaya: we don’t often get the chance to visit big Asian cities, so we wanted to include that discovery in our trip. The trains between Jakarta and Yogyakarta, Surabaya and Probolinggo are booked. The return flight from Lombok to Jakarta is also set. Accommodations are booked but flexible (same for the trains).
Thanks!
Hi! I’m planning a 15-day trip to Malaysia. The idea is to visit KL for 2 or 3 days, then Borneo, and I’m wondering what to do with the rest of the time. I’d like to finish with the Perhentian Islands... What do you think? Any tips or advice would be great—I’d really appreciate it!
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for addresses for guesthouses or, even better, houseboats or rafting houses on the River Kwai, between Kanchanaburi and Sangkhlaburi, to spend a few weeks contemplating this beautiful river.
Thanks for your suggestions!
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Hi there,
we’re currently in Mai Chau and tomorrow we’re hitting the road back to Hanoi to head up toward Bac Ha and Sapa.
We haven’t really had a set plan since we arrived—we’ve already done the Halong Bay on land and by sea.
I’ve got 2 free days before heading to Bac Ha and Sapa.
Any tips?
Thanks, and looking forward to hearing from you.
Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.
Hey everyone,
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.





