Train entre Yogjakarta et Jakarta: méfiance
by Mohamma2
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour!
J'ai pris le train entre Yogjakarta et Jakarta cet été avec mes parents et ma belle-famille (Indonésiens). Nous avons voyagé en classe bisnis sur le Fajar Utama. Je me souvenais que la deuxième classe était assez tranquille et plutôt confortable... Et bien notre voyage a manqué de mal tourner. Au bout d'une heure de trajet, les vendeurs se sont succédés sans arrêt, avec eux, pas de problèmes... parmi eux, des jeunes types qui sans vous demander votre avis vaporisent du déodorant ou balayent sous vos pieds pour réclamer ensuite une petite pièce de 100 rp. Le problème, c'est qu'au bout de trois - quatre heures de trajet, nous n'avions ni les uns ni les autres plus aucune pièce. Juste des billets de 5000 rp. Au niveau de Cirebon, à 3 heures du terminus du train, une bande de jeunes types est montée. ils ont très mal pris notre refus de leur donner de l'argent et ont commencé à se faire de plus en plus provocants. Au bout d'un moment, ils se tapaient dessus, hurlaient, se foutaient ouvertement de nous tous en sundanais, une langue qu'aucun d'entre nous ne comprenait. Sachant qu'en cas de bagarre, tous les vendeurs et les mendiants du train allaient certainement se liguer contre moi (j'avais déjà fait cette expérience à Bandung en 2001), je commençai à franchement m'inquiéter... finalement, les types se sont assis quelques rangées derrière nous et n'arrêtaient pas de chuchotter entre eux en nous regardant en coin... Arrivés à Jakarta ils n'ont rien tenté voyant que nous les surveillions.
Franchement, j'ai voyagé environ trois ans en Indonésie et c'est bien la première fois que j'ai éprouvé un tel sentiment d'insécurité. J'ai bien eu des ennuis plus graves mais je les avais toujours un peu cherchés.
Ma question est, puisqu'il y a quand même une question: Avez-vous voyagé sur cette ligne en journée, et avez-vous eu vous aussi cette impression qu'une autre fois il faudrait peut-être mieux prendre le bus???
un grand merci pour ton information : je pense que ce genre d'évènement doit se produire régulièrement, ces personnes doivent être des habitués non seulement de ce comportement mais aussi du lieu choisi : le train.
j'apprécie d'autant plus que depuis qques jours je me demandais si pour traverser Java le train était préférable au bus et bien : le bus : tu m'évites ainsi non seulement une déconvenue mais aussi du stress voire davantage .... bon dimanche !
j'apprécie d'autant plus que depuis qques jours je me demandais si pour traverser Java le train était préférable au bus et bien : le bus : tu m'évites ainsi non seulement une déconvenue mais aussi du stress voire davantage .... bon dimanche !
"pendant un instant l'usage des yeux : la lecture du monde. italo Calvino "Paroles de voyageurs" si tu n'as pas étudié, voyage".
Ooops!
Par contre, attends l'avis d'autres voyageurs! Je suis surpris que si ce comportement est fréquent il ne soit pas encore signalé sur ce forum! D'autre part, si tu n'es pas à quelques euros près, ne te prive pas du train, voyage en première classe!!!!
Bonne route!
j'aime beaucoup prendre le train, en Malaisie et en Indonésie (pour l'Indonésie cela fait un certain temps) 😉😉 je ne pars que dans deux mois, donc d'ici là d'autres VF ns donnerons leur avis
moi, je ne boycotte pas le train, mais comme je voyage seule, je me préserve le plus possible, j'ai constaté qu'à chaque fois que je me suis trouvée ds une situation soit antipathique, difficile, voire pire et bien c'était de ma faute, car j'avais relâché mon esprit critique !!!!
"pendant un instant l'usage des yeux : la lecture du monde. italo Calvino "Paroles de voyageurs" si tu n'as pas étudié, voyage".
J'ai déja voyagé sur cette ligne en journée, pas vraiment d' insécurité, mais vendeurs incessants,
en 2eme classe ; de plus ce train arrive à Senen un quartier peu sûr de JKT, moi je prendrais à
ta place la 1ere classe pas d'embrouilles ici, mais très chère j'en conviens pour le pays, parfois
plus que l'avion ! dans tout les cas personnellement j'évite les bus à Java beaucoup trop d' accidents,
même les habitants mettent en garde.....
« Le véritable voyage de découverte ne consiste pas à chercher de nouveaux paysages, mais à avoir de nouveaux yeux. » (Marcel Proust)
je suis tres surpris par ces infos qui concernent la seconde classe. je souhaitais la prendre en pensant y rencontrer plus de monde. quelqu'un connait il le train le plus direct pour se rendre de surabaya à jakarta? Quelle est la gare de départ? frequence du train? y a t'il un site internet avec ces infos? merci pour vos reponse.
voyager c'est aller de soi même à soi même en passant par les autres.
Ben non tu rencontreras beaucoup plus de monde en 1ere classe....réservation quasi indispensable,
en seconde non, toujours de la place !
Le site www.kereta-api.com te donnera toutes les indications pour les trains, mais il faut connaitre
un peu de Bahasa....tape dans "Jadwal et Tarif" et en suivant.....
« Le véritable voyage de découverte ne consiste pas à chercher de nouveaux paysages, mais à avoir de nouveaux yeux. » (Marcel Proust)
Wow bravo pour le Bahasa.....si l'on utilise les 1ere classe ( Eksecutiv ), j'ai jamais vu de grosses
différences entres les différents train, mais bon ça a pû changer, depuis quelques temps j'utilise
l' avion, souvent meilleur marché que la 1ere....peut être plus de "risques" bien que j'ai déja eu
un accident de train avec un "Eksecutiv", sans gravité, entres JKT et YOG !
« Le véritable voyage de découverte ne consiste pas à chercher de nouveaux paysages, mais à avoir de nouveaux yeux. » (Marcel Proust)
salut eliade, si tu veu etre sur de n avoir aucun souci tu peu prendre la 1ere classe qui est certe pas du tout routard mais tres securiser et tres agreable pour dormir, nous nous n avons pas eu le choix car nous transportons notre malle de spectacle a travers tout java et c tres compliquer, voila ca coute environ 150000rp soit 12euros, assez cher mais tu as un repas compris et air conditionne, il y a il me semble 2 depart par jour le matin et le soir a 17 heures
voila
bon voyage
guigui17
quand on comprend la valeur de toute vie, on s'attarde moins sur le passé et on se concentre plus sur la sauvegarde de l'avenir
"Diane Fossey"
merci pour cette info ! je suis contente de te lire, car avec ce qui s'est passé dernièrement à Sumatra, j'étais inquiète, ne sachant pas où vous étiez actuellement, sur quelle île indonésienne à ++😉😉
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Mounette74
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
Hi everyone,
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)





