Merci à vous pour tous vos commentaires
Itinéraire de cinq semaines en Namibie
by Sylman
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
Après étude voici les grandes lignes de l'iténéraire envisagée pour l'été prochain. Nous serons en voiture à 4 (style toyota avenza), dont un enfant de 7 ans. Souhaitons loger en bungalow ou en camping (mais préfererions les bungalows).
attendons avec impatience toutes vos remarques pour affiner notre itinéraire.
Où pouvons-nous nous arrêter sur la route en AFS.
samedi 12 juillet 2008 : depart paris 14h00
dimanche 13 juillet 2008 : arrivée CAP 5h00
lundi 14 juillet 2008 : Dpt vers namibie
mardi 15 juillet 2008 : arrivée en soirée sur fish river
mercredi 16 juillet 2008 : fish river
jeudi 17 juillet 2008 : mariental
vendredi 18 juillet 2008 : mariental
samedi 19 juillet 2008 : windhoek
dimanche 20 juillet 2008 : windhoek
lundi 21 juillet 2008 : okahandja
mardi 22 juillet 2008 : okahandja
mercredi 23 juillet 2008 : grootfontein
jeudi 24 juillet 2008 : rundu
vendredi 25 juillet 2008 : mahango
samedi 26 juillet 2008 : mahango
dimanche 27 juillet 2008 : tsumeb
lundi 28 juillet 2008 : etosha-halali
mardi 29 juillet 2008 : etosha-halali
mercredi 30 juillet 2008 : etosha-okaukuejo
jeudi 31 juillet 2008 : etosha-okaukuejo
vendredi 1 août 2008 : outjo
samedi 2 août 2008 : khorixas
dimanche 3 août 2008 : torra bay
lundi 4 août 2008 : cape cross
mardi 5 août 2008 : swakopmund
mercredi 6 août 2008 : walvis bay
jeudi 7 août 2008 walvis bay
vendredi 8 août 2008 : walvis bay
samedi 9 août 2008 : kuiseb
dimanche 10 août 2008 : sesriem
lundi 11 août 2008 : sesriem
mardi 12 août 2008 : aus
mercredi 13 août 2008 : seeheim
jeudi 14 août 2008 : AFS
vendredi 15 août 2008 : LE CAP
samedi 16 août 2008 : LE CAP
dimanche 17 août 2008 : depart
Merci à vous pour tous vos commentaires
Merci à vous pour tous vos commentaires
SylMan
Salut Sylman,
Comme je t'avais déjà répondu il y a quelques semaines, tu as une idée de l'itinéraire que nous avons utilisé cet été, ce qui te permettras de relativiser mon avis...🙂
Tu as visiblement bien profité des différentes réponses qui ont été faites à tes questions, et ton programme est très cohérent et pas trop "speed"... 🙂
Personnellement, je trouve cependant dommage que tu ne passes pas par le Botswana, puisque tu fais un aller-retour depuis l'Afrique du Sud. Tu pourrais en effet rendre ton véhicule à Jo-burg, ce qui n'engendrerait un surcoût de location que d'une trentaine d'Euros, et ce qui te permettrait de profiter du parc Chobe (bien plus riche qu'Etosha), d'une petite extension aux fabuleuses chutes Victoria (Coucou Robinette 😉 !!!), du Delta de l'Okavango et en AFS, du très beau petit parc du Pilanesberg....
Mais ce que j'en dis... n'est bien sûr que mon humble avis...😛
Et tu auras peut-être l'occasion - et la chance 🙂 - de retourner dans la région...
Pour ce qui est d'une étape en AFS, nous avons utilisé "Annie's Cottage" à Springbok... Hôtel très confortable et très original, mais bien sûr relativement cher : chambre familiale pour 120 Euros, mais avec buffet de petits déjeuners fort copieux. Nous avons en particulier apprécié l'existence dans chaque chambre d'une connexion Internet gratuite (à condition bien sûr d'avoir son portable). C'est une bonne halte après une journée de route. Tu verras des photos de leurs chambres décorées avec beaucoup de goût sur leur site : http://www.springbokinfo.com/accommodation_f.html
Enfin, pour mémoire, tu trouveras notre itinéraire du mois de juillet dans ce post : http://voyageforum.com/...ost=1234470;#1234470 Et notre album photos ici : http://www.vacanceo.com/...iche-album_10694.php
A disposition bien sûr pour toute aide... Il est agréable de continuer à vivre un merveilleux voyage, en répondant sur un forum qui nous a été si précieux l'année dernière pour organiser notre périple...😎
Comme je t'avais déjà répondu il y a quelques semaines, tu as une idée de l'itinéraire que nous avons utilisé cet été, ce qui te permettras de relativiser mon avis...🙂
Tu as visiblement bien profité des différentes réponses qui ont été faites à tes questions, et ton programme est très cohérent et pas trop "speed"... 🙂
Personnellement, je trouve cependant dommage que tu ne passes pas par le Botswana, puisque tu fais un aller-retour depuis l'Afrique du Sud. Tu pourrais en effet rendre ton véhicule à Jo-burg, ce qui n'engendrerait un surcoût de location que d'une trentaine d'Euros, et ce qui te permettrait de profiter du parc Chobe (bien plus riche qu'Etosha), d'une petite extension aux fabuleuses chutes Victoria (Coucou Robinette 😉 !!!), du Delta de l'Okavango et en AFS, du très beau petit parc du Pilanesberg....
Mais ce que j'en dis... n'est bien sûr que mon humble avis...😛
Et tu auras peut-être l'occasion - et la chance 🙂 - de retourner dans la région...
Pour ce qui est d'une étape en AFS, nous avons utilisé "Annie's Cottage" à Springbok... Hôtel très confortable et très original, mais bien sûr relativement cher : chambre familiale pour 120 Euros, mais avec buffet de petits déjeuners fort copieux. Nous avons en particulier apprécié l'existence dans chaque chambre d'une connexion Internet gratuite (à condition bien sûr d'avoir son portable). C'est une bonne halte après une journée de route. Tu verras des photos de leurs chambres décorées avec beaucoup de goût sur leur site : http://www.springbokinfo.com/accommodation_f.html
Enfin, pour mémoire, tu trouveras notre itinéraire du mois de juillet dans ce post : http://voyageforum.com/...ost=1234470;#1234470 Et notre album photos ici : http://www.vacanceo.com/...iche-album_10694.php
A disposition bien sûr pour toute aide... Il est agréable de continuer à vivre un merveilleux voyage, en répondant sur un forum qui nous a été si précieux l'année dernière pour organiser notre périple...😎
Road Trip US : http://voyageforum.com/voyage/etats-unisretouruncrazyroadtrip10000kilometresdansouestamericainD1953753/
Photos autour du monde : http://tinyurl.com/PhotSkydrive
salut Sylman,
plusieurs petites réfléxions si tu le permets.
2 jours à windhoek, 2 jours à okahandja ... mais pour quoi faire ?
pareil pour la journée à Outjo ???
3 jours à walwis bay ?
je trouve extremement dommage en disposant de 35 jours d'occulter complètement le kaokoland et une bonne partie du damaraland
mais ce que j'en dis.. (nobody 😉)
entre le Cap et la Namibie il y a le namaqualand qui en juillet et aout offre un spectacle unique au monde: les fleurs. des champs de fleurs à perte de vue donc quelques petits parcs qui méritent un arrêt il y a aussi le kgalagadi mais qui nécessite un 4x4...
entre le Cap et la Namibie il y a le namaqualand qui en juillet et aout offre un spectacle unique au monde: les fleurs. des champs de fleurs à perte de vue donc quelques petits parcs qui méritent un arrêt il y a aussi le kgalagadi mais qui nécessite un 4x4...
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Effectivement on squize le damaraland et le kaoland. Mais on aura pas de 4/4. Alors ...
Peut-être peux tu me dire ce qu'on peut faire sans galères.
Et puis, il faut faire des choix, on a pas envie de courir, on est en vacances : pour Walvis bay peut-être faut-il raccourcir ? Pour l'Afrique du Sud et le bostawana : c'est vrai que ça a l'air bien mais pareil, il faut choisir. Et puis on y retournera.... Merci pour vos commentaires
Et puis, il faut faire des choix, on a pas envie de courir, on est en vacances : pour Walvis bay peut-être faut-il raccourcir ? Pour l'Afrique du Sud et le bostawana : c'est vrai que ça a l'air bien mais pareil, il faut choisir. Et puis on y retournera.... Merci pour vos commentaires
SylMan
Re-salut Sylman... 😉
Je comprends bien ton souci de ne pas "trop en faire", mais excuse-moi d'insister... 😊😛 (Je suis Breton 🙂🏴☠️ !)
En effet, à partir du moment où tu prévois d'aller à Mahango, si tu regardes attentivement la carte, tu verras que c'est beaucoup plus court d'aller à Jo-Burg en passant par la bande de Caprivi et le Botswana que de redescendre jusqu'au Cap... !!!!
Il te suffit alors de prévoir de "faire" à la montée vers Mahango, les sites que tu as prévus à la redescente...
Tu économiserais plusieurs centaines de kilomètres, et sans doute aussi un peu en billets d'avion... En plus des merveilles que tu découvrirais...😎
Mais ce que j'en dis... c'est juste pour animer... 😉
Bonne continuation de préparation...🙂
Je comprends bien ton souci de ne pas "trop en faire", mais excuse-moi d'insister... 😊😛 (Je suis Breton 🙂🏴☠️ !)
En effet, à partir du moment où tu prévois d'aller à Mahango, si tu regardes attentivement la carte, tu verras que c'est beaucoup plus court d'aller à Jo-Burg en passant par la bande de Caprivi et le Botswana que de redescendre jusqu'au Cap... !!!!
Il te suffit alors de prévoir de "faire" à la montée vers Mahango, les sites que tu as prévus à la redescente...
Tu économiserais plusieurs centaines de kilomètres, et sans doute aussi un peu en billets d'avion... En plus des merveilles que tu découvrirais...😎
Mais ce que j'en dis... c'est juste pour animer... 😉
Bonne continuation de préparation...🙂
Road Trip US : http://voyageforum.com/voyage/etats-unisretouruncrazyroadtrip10000kilometresdansouestamericainD1953753/
Photos autour du monde : http://tinyurl.com/PhotSkydrive
mais tu fais comme tu le sens... je te donne juste mon avis
c'est pas une question de vacances, de courir ou je ne sais quoi d'autre, quand tu auras passé 2 jours entier à Okahandja tu auras une petite pensée pour moi ... 😉
et si tu veux pas de galère, faut pas aller en Afrique 😛 😉
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je vois effectivement que tu es breton 😏.
Pour réffléchir, avec un enfant de 7 ans est ce que ça ne craint pas trop au bostwana (hygiène, ....)
En ce qui concerne le billet d'avion j'ai trouvé un vol 3 adultes et 1 enfants pour 3500 euros (paris-le cap)
Penses-tu que je trouverai l'équivalent (paris- le cap joanesburg-paris). Et pour la voiture ça me coûtera combien de la rendre à joannesbourg ?
Je suis tès terre à terre, je sais mais malheureusement le budget n'est pas extensible !!!
merci pour tes réponses. 🙂
SylMan
En ce qui concerne l'hygiène au Botswana avec un enfant de 7 ans pas plus de problèmes qu'en Namibie, voire moins que dans certains coins de Namibie! Nous avons voyagé avec nos 3 enfants et tu trouves tout dans la région de Chobé et Maun de l'autre côté!
Avec un enfant de 7 ans, outre le prix je ferai quand même attention aux heures de voiture. En Namibie, il ne faut pas compter en kilomètres, mais en temps de route par exemple, suivant les pistes que tu empruntes! (je me suis fait avoir plusieurs fois sur certains jours de mon itinéraire qui ne semblaient pas comporter beaucoup de kilomètres mais qui se sont révélés fastidieux!!!
Avec un enfant de 7 ans, outre le prix je ferai quand même attention aux heures de voiture. En Namibie, il ne faut pas compter en kilomètres, mais en temps de route par exemple, suivant les pistes que tu empruntes! (je me suis fait avoir plusieurs fois sur certains jours de mon itinéraire qui ne semblaient pas comporter beaucoup de kilomètres mais qui se sont révélés fastidieux!!!
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j ai juste un conseil... c est de prendre son temps car la Namibie est vraiment un tres beau pays... ne courez pas partout ... la route peut etre tres longue avec un enfant
En ce qui concerne l hygiene ... pas de problemes . Prevoyez une petite laine pour la nuit car en juillet aout les nuits sont fraiches mais c est tant mieux car les moustiques ne montrent pas leur nez. Nous avons croises des moustiques a sesfontein et a victoria falls. Cela n empeche une bonne panoplie anti bzzzzz, mais c est bon a savoir.
Vous pouvez monter dans le kaokoland sans 4*4 en passant par la C35, des excursions peuvent vous etre poropse pour vous rendre dans des villages himbas ou aller a epupa ou vers purros... bref c'est possible. je conseille une nuit a cheetah farm a 25 km de kamandjab pas loin d outjo et d etosha, les enfants adorent et meme les grands... camping ou hutte... et repas des guepards semi sauvage au milieu des herbes ocres plus possibilite de carresser leur 3 guepards. un lieu sympa meme si l adresse est connue des groupes.
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En ce qui concerne l hygiene ... pas de problemes . Prevoyez une petite laine pour la nuit car en juillet aout les nuits sont fraiches mais c est tant mieux car les moustiques ne montrent pas leur nez. Nous avons croises des moustiques a sesfontein et a victoria falls. Cela n empeche une bonne panoplie anti bzzzzz, mais c est bon a savoir.
Vous pouvez monter dans le kaokoland sans 4*4 en passant par la C35, des excursions peuvent vous etre poropse pour vous rendre dans des villages himbas ou aller a epupa ou vers purros... bref c'est possible. je conseille une nuit a cheetah farm a 25 km de kamandjab pas loin d outjo et d etosha, les enfants adorent et meme les grands... camping ou hutte... et repas des guepards semi sauvage au milieu des herbes ocres plus possibilite de carresser leur 3 guepards. un lieu sympa meme si l adresse est connue des groupes.
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Salut Sylman, c'est encore moi... 😉
Strictement aucun problème au Botswana, que ce soit au point de vue de l'hygiène ou autre...
Et ton fils de 7 ans te remerciera de lui faire découvrir le fabuleux parc de Chobe... où il pourra faire un "boat drive" sur la rivière Chobe, et avoir ainsi la chance de voir comme nous des éléphants faire du snorkeling...😮😎😛🙂....
Et si en plus il a la chance de faire une balade en mokoro dans le delta de l'Okavango et de survoler les chutes Victoria... !!! 😛😛😛😛😎 Pour ce qui est des billets d'avion, tu ne devrais avoir aucun problème pour obtenir un prix moins élévé, puisqu'en tout état de cause, tu es obligé de faire escale à Jo-Burg pour aller de Paris au Cap, et du Cap à Paris... 🙂 Quant à l'indemnité de restitution de la voiture dans une ville différente de celle du départ, elle a été pour nous de 300 Rands, soit 30 Euros (AroundAboutCars)... C'est nettement moins que ce que tu économiserais en essence...🙂 Enfin, pour te donner envie de suivre la suggestion de Clarie77 sur la "Cheetah Farm" d'Otjitotongwe, voici le portrait de l'un des habitants de la réserve... 🙂, photographié pendant la balade en 4x4 du nourrissage des guépards (tous les jours vers 15 heures)...
A suivre...🙂
Strictement aucun problème au Botswana, que ce soit au point de vue de l'hygiène ou autre...
Et ton fils de 7 ans te remerciera de lui faire découvrir le fabuleux parc de Chobe... où il pourra faire un "boat drive" sur la rivière Chobe, et avoir ainsi la chance de voir comme nous des éléphants faire du snorkeling...😮😎😛🙂....
Et si en plus il a la chance de faire une balade en mokoro dans le delta de l'Okavango et de survoler les chutes Victoria... !!! 😛😛😛😛😎 Pour ce qui est des billets d'avion, tu ne devrais avoir aucun problème pour obtenir un prix moins élévé, puisqu'en tout état de cause, tu es obligé de faire escale à Jo-Burg pour aller de Paris au Cap, et du Cap à Paris... 🙂 Quant à l'indemnité de restitution de la voiture dans une ville différente de celle du départ, elle a été pour nous de 300 Rands, soit 30 Euros (AroundAboutCars)... C'est nettement moins que ce que tu économiserais en essence...🙂 Enfin, pour te donner envie de suivre la suggestion de Clarie77 sur la "Cheetah Farm" d'Otjitotongwe, voici le portrait de l'un des habitants de la réserve... 🙂, photographié pendant la balade en 4x4 du nourrissage des guépards (tous les jours vers 15 heures)...
A suivre...🙂Road Trip US : http://voyageforum.com/voyage/etats-unisretouruncrazyroadtrip10000kilometresdansouestamericainD1953753/
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Mais il ne fait pas obligatoirement le 4X4 pour la Kaokoland, et encore moins pour le Damaraland.
Je vois bien dans ton circiuit que tu souhaites prendre ton temps mais 2 jours à Okahandja, c'est vraiment inutile !! Autant à Windhoek, oui (j'ai vécu 9mois là bas, je sais qu'il y a des choses à faire dans cette ville !!) mais à Okahandja, y'a rien. Même le marché au bois se fait en une heure car les gens sont tellement poussifs que l'on souhaite partir vite de cet endroit ! De même pour Outjo qui ne sert à mon sens qu'a remplir le coffre de la voiture en produits frais et légumes avant de repartir !
A mon tour de poser un question : vous allez faire du Lodge ou du Camping. Car en revanche, il y a souvent de beaux lodges abordables près de ces destinations moins populaires. Et au lieu de rester dans la ville autant profiter des infrastructures d'un Lodge pour se poser un jour.
Puis 4 nuits à Etosha est peut-être trop. Je sais que 2 nuits, c'est parfait...3 aussi mais après, c'est trop long. Même si le parc est immense, le nombre de pistes est limitées et j'ai peur que vous ne tourniez en rond à la fin. Il y a une ferme de Guépard à quelques heures de route de là, tres prisée par les Forumeurs ;) et parfaite pour distraire un enfant de 7 ans.
Je pense que tous les jours qui peuvent etre gagné pourraient servir à visiter le Kaokoland ou bien l'Afrique du Sud...
Noemie
Je vois bien dans ton circiuit que tu souhaites prendre ton temps mais 2 jours à Okahandja, c'est vraiment inutile !! Autant à Windhoek, oui (j'ai vécu 9mois là bas, je sais qu'il y a des choses à faire dans cette ville !!) mais à Okahandja, y'a rien. Même le marché au bois se fait en une heure car les gens sont tellement poussifs que l'on souhaite partir vite de cet endroit ! De même pour Outjo qui ne sert à mon sens qu'a remplir le coffre de la voiture en produits frais et légumes avant de repartir !
A mon tour de poser un question : vous allez faire du Lodge ou du Camping. Car en revanche, il y a souvent de beaux lodges abordables près de ces destinations moins populaires. Et au lieu de rester dans la ville autant profiter des infrastructures d'un Lodge pour se poser un jour.
Puis 4 nuits à Etosha est peut-être trop. Je sais que 2 nuits, c'est parfait...3 aussi mais après, c'est trop long. Même si le parc est immense, le nombre de pistes est limitées et j'ai peur que vous ne tourniez en rond à la fin. Il y a une ferme de Guépard à quelques heures de route de là, tres prisée par les Forumeurs ;) et parfaite pour distraire un enfant de 7 ans.
Je pense que tous les jours qui peuvent etre gagné pourraient servir à visiter le Kaokoland ou bien l'Afrique du Sud...
Noemie
Mon carnet de route pour la Namibie
Mon carnet de route pour le Japon (en construction)
Bonjour,
merci à vous pour toutes vos réponses. Après les avoir lues, j'ai modifié un peu mon parcours. Je vous le soummet, n'hesitez pas à le commenter. En sachant que l'on veut pas aller trop vite pour bien profiter, on monterai bien par la C35 mais combien de temps celà nous prendrait-il ? On peut raccourcir Etosha et gagner 1 nuit mais celà n'est il pas un peu juste.
samedi 12 juillet 2008 : depart paris 14h00
dimanche 13 juillet 2008: arrivée CAP 5h00
lundi 14 juillet 2008 : Dpt vers namibie
mardi 15 juillet 2008 : arrivée en soirée sur fish river
mercredi 16 juillet 2008: fish river
jeudi 17 juillet 2008 : mariental
vendredi 18 juillet 2008: mariental
samedi 19 juillet 2008 : windhoek
dimanche 20 juillet 2008: windhoek
lundi 21 juillet 2008 : okahandja
mardi 22 juillet 2008 : grootfontein
mercredi 23 juillet 2008: mahango
jeudi 24 juillet 2008 : mahango
vendredi 25 juillet 2008: chobe
samedi 26 juillet 2008 : Victoria falls
dimanche 27 juillet 2008: chobe
lundi 28 juillet 2008 : chobe
mardi 29 juillet 2008 : mahango
mercredi 30 juillet 2008: tsumeb
jeudi 31 juillet 2008 : etosha-halali
vendredi 1 ao?t 2008 : etosha-halali
samedi 2 ao?t 2008 : etosha-okaukuejo
dimanche 3 ao?t 2008 : etosha-okaukuejo
lundi 4 ao?t 2008 : kamandjab
mardi 5 ao?t 2008 : khorixas
mercredi 6 ao?t 2008 : torra bay
jeudi 7 ao?t 2008 : cape cross
vendredi 8 ao?t 2008 : swakopmund
samedi 9 ao?t 2008 : walvis bay
dimanche 10 ao?t 2008 : walvis bay
lundi 11 ao?t 2008 : kuiseb
mardi 12 ao?t 2008 : sesriem
mercredi 13 ao?t 2008 : sesriem
jeudi 14 ao?t 2008 : aus
vendredi 15 ao?t 2008 : seeheim
samedi 16 ao?t 2008 : AFS
dimanche 17 ao?t 2008 : LE CAP
lundi 18 août 2008 : LE CAP
mardi 19 août 2008 : depart
PS : Avec la luftansa, on passe pas par johanesburg.
J'attends avec impatience vos remarques MERCI, MERCI...
PS : Avec la luftansa, on passe pas par johanesburg.
J'attends avec impatience vos remarques MERCI, MERCI...
SylMan
Bonjour,
merci à vous pour toutes vos réponses. Après les avoir lues, j'ai modifié un peu mon parcours. Je vous le soummet, n'hesitez pas à le commenter. En sachant que l'on veut pas aller trop vite pour bien profiter, on monterai bien par la C35 mais combien de temps celà nous prendrait-il ? On peut raccourcir Etosha et gagner 1 nuit mais celà n'est il pas un peu juste.
samedi 12 juillet 2008 : depart paris 14h00
dimanche 13 juillet 2008: arrivée CAP 5h00
lundi 14 juillet 2008 : Dpt vers namibie
mardi 15 juillet 2008 : arrivée en soirée sur fish river
mercredi 16 juillet 2008: fish river
jeudi 17 juillet 2008 : mariental
vendredi 18 juillet 2008: mariental
samedi 19 juillet 2008 : windhoek
dimanche 20 juillet 2008: windhoek
lundi 21 juillet 2008 : okahandja
mardi 22 juillet 2008 : grootfontein
mercredi 23 juillet 2008: mahango
jeudi 24 juillet 2008 : mahango
vendredi 25 juillet 2008: chobe
samedi 26 juillet 2008 : Victoria falls
dimanche 27 juillet 2008: chobe
lundi 28 juillet 2008 : chobe
mardi 29 juillet 2008 : mahango
mercredi 30 juillet 2008: tsumeb
jeudi 31 juillet 2008 : etosha-halali
vendredi 1 ao?t 2008 : etosha-halali
samedi 2 ao?t 2008 : etosha-okaukuejo
dimanche 3 ao?t 2008 : etosha-okaukuejo
lundi 4 ao?t 2008 : kamandjab
mardi 5 ao?t 2008 : khorixas
mercredi 6 ao?t 2008 : torra bay
jeudi 7 ao?t 2008 : cape cross
vendredi 8 ao?t 2008 : swakopmund
samedi 9 ao?t 2008 : walvis bay
dimanche 10 ao?t 2008 : walvis bay
lundi 11 ao?t 2008 : kuiseb
mardi 12 ao?t 2008 : sesriem
mercredi 13 ao?t 2008 : sesriem
jeudi 14 ao?t 2008 : aus
vendredi 15 ao?t 2008 : seeheim
samedi 16 ao?t 2008 : AFS
dimanche 17 ao?t 2008 : LE CAP
lundi 18 août 2008 : LE CAP
mardi 19 août 2008 : depart
PS : Avec la luftansa, on passe pas par johanesburg.
J'attends avec impatience vos remarques
MERCI, MERCI...
PS : Avec la luftansa, on passe pas par johanesburg.
J'attends avec impatience vos remarques
MERCI, MERCI...
SylMan
🙂Alors, ça.... c'est assez amusant: nous partons aussi pour 38 jours en Namibie (dont 7 en Afrique du Sud) (19/06/2008-28/07/2008)et je suis à la chasse de quelques bonnes infos.
A toutes fins utiles: nous voyageons en famille: papa, maman, et trois enfants de 9, 11 et 13 ans. Nous avons pris nos vols avec SAA (on atterrit au Cap... on a des amis de long date là-bas!) et on ira en Namibie en voiture, une Toyota avanza. Avec Thrifty il nous en coûte 9975ZAR pour les 38 jours... (1000 euros grosso modo). Nos billets (départ Francfort) : 3130 euros pour les 5.(payé déjà!)
On a déjà de l'hébergement pour une partie du voyage. Ce qui nous reste à confirmer, c'est Etosha (Je viens d'écrire à Namutoni: ils sont déjà fully booked our début juillet, c'est les vacnaces scolaires en Namibie). Question : Une journée à etosha, cela suffit? Ou est-ce quand même mieux si on en prend deux?
On voudrait rencontrer les Himba, donc on a prévu d'aller à Opuwo. Quelqu'un connaît une bonne adresse ? J'ai contacté Ohakane Lodge, mais à 5, ça revient quand même chère....🤪
MERCI A TOUS!
On a déjà de l'hébergement pour une partie du voyage. Ce qui nous reste à confirmer, c'est Etosha (Je viens d'écrire à Namutoni: ils sont déjà fully booked our début juillet, c'est les vacnaces scolaires en Namibie). Question : Une journée à etosha, cela suffit? Ou est-ce quand même mieux si on en prend deux?
On voudrait rencontrer les Himba, donc on a prévu d'aller à Opuwo. Quelqu'un connaît une bonne adresse ? J'ai contacté Ohakane Lodge, mais à 5, ça revient quand même chère....🤪
MERCI A TOUS!
Bonjour à vous,
Effectivement c'est drôle, dommage que nous c'est plus tard (du 13 juillet au 20 aout 2008) nous aurions pu nous rencontrer etpourquoi pas faire un petit bout de route ensemble. En tout cas visiblement, vous êtes plus avancés que nous : nous avons juste nos billets d'avions et nous voyageons aussi en famille (papa, maman et 2 garçon : 1 de 15 ans et l'autre de 7 ans). En ce moment nous sommes en plein casse tête : doit-on prendre un 4/4 avec tente sur le toit ou voiture classique ? Impossible de se décider : avantage du 4/4 : pas besoin de faire des reservations dans les campings et confort de nuit (bon matelas) avantage de la voiture : beaucoup moins chère mais soit on fait du camping et mal de dos garantie....ou on réserve des bungalow et là il semble que ce soit cher pour nous 4. Je crois que vous avez déjà effectué pas mal de reservation, pouvez vous nous indiquer les tartifs qu'on vous propose pour les hébergement et qu'auriez vous à nous avancer comme argument pour l'une ou l'autredessolutions. Merci d'avance ...
Effectivement c'est drôle, dommage que nous c'est plus tard (du 13 juillet au 20 aout 2008) nous aurions pu nous rencontrer etpourquoi pas faire un petit bout de route ensemble. En tout cas visiblement, vous êtes plus avancés que nous : nous avons juste nos billets d'avions et nous voyageons aussi en famille (papa, maman et 2 garçon : 1 de 15 ans et l'autre de 7 ans). En ce moment nous sommes en plein casse tête : doit-on prendre un 4/4 avec tente sur le toit ou voiture classique ? Impossible de se décider : avantage du 4/4 : pas besoin de faire des reservations dans les campings et confort de nuit (bon matelas) avantage de la voiture : beaucoup moins chère mais soit on fait du camping et mal de dos garantie....ou on réserve des bungalow et là il semble que ce soit cher pour nous 4. Je crois que vous avez déjà effectué pas mal de reservation, pouvez vous nous indiquer les tartifs qu'on vous propose pour les hébergement et qu'auriez vous à nous avancer comme argument pour l'une ou l'autredessolutions. Merci d'avance ...
SylMan
Bonjour,
je ne suis pas sûre d'être beaucoup plus avancé que vous, mais c'est certain que nous avons choisi pour l'option hébergement 'solide'. On n'est pas des "pro" du camping et je pense que les enfants auraient peur par moment. On n'a pas trouvé la solution 'solide' tellement plus chère que l'option '4x4 avec tente'. Nous avons rencontré -hier!- une famille qui avait opté pour 12 jours en 4x4-tente et qui étaient enchantés. Je pense qu'on ne peut pas comparer 12 jours de camping avec 5 semaines de camping... Encore un détail : les vacances d'hiver sudafricaines et namibiennes vont du 25 juin au 20 juillet, à plusieurs endroit on nous a demandé de ne pas trainer pour réserver car juillet c'est la saison haite en Namibie. Si vous optez pour le camping, il pourrait être utile de réserver quand même. Ceci dit: je n'y étais encore jamais, je ne veux pas vous inquiéter inutilement!🤪
Les tarifs que nous avons payé pour nos nuits sont pas excessivement élevés: à Grunau (Vastrap guestfarm) on paie 1160N$ pour deux nuits à 5. A Outjo (Bushberg guestfarm) on paie 1400N$ pour une nuit à 5 DBB (dinner bed and breakfast). A Onguma (là ça taxe), donc juste à côté de Etosha on paie 25540N$ pour une nuit à 5 DBB. A Opuwo on a trouvé un guesthouse peu chère mais je n'ai pas encore eu confirmation des tarifs. Nous avons voyagé un peu partout dans le monde (Australie, Nouvelle Zélande, Afrique du sud, Brésil, Népal, Canada, ...) et on sait que ces prix là ne sont pas excessifs.
Ceci dit, nous limitons les dégâts en ayant choisi pour la formule 'house exchange'. Ce qui veut dire qu'à Windhoek et à Swakopmund nous n'avons pas de frais d'hébergement. On restera donc 5 nuits à Windhoek pour visiter les alentours et 15jours à Swakopmund pour rayonner.
J'espère que toutes ces infos ne vous embrouillent pas encore plus!!!😕
merci beaucoup pour l'info sur les dates de vacances sud africaines et namibiennes
je n'ai pas encore arrêté les dates de mes 4 semaines de voyage mais je vais plutot décaler sur aout s'il y a moins de tourisme
je projète le même genre de voyage que vous avec 2 enfants de 5 et 6 ans mais j'en suis encore au débroussaillage et je commence un peu à paniquer quand je vois que beaucoup ont déjà réservé !!! mais je veux étudier en détail toutes la possibilités de vol et de circuits avant de réserver....merci en tout cas pour les adresses de lodge que je vais étudier !
timlulu
Dis-donc Sylman, c'est Alzheimer qui attaque... 😉
Je rappelle le fil de discussion, que tu avais initié il y a deux mois, et dans lequel j'avais entre autres fait un petit calcul de budget, en comparant le nôtre (location voiture + hôtels et lodges), avec celui de mémépat (4 x 4 et camping)... Calcul qui avait montré que la formule la plus chère n'est pas forcément celle que l'on croit...
Ce fil, intitulé : "Namibie à petit prix en été 2008" se trouve là : http://voyageforum.com/...ost=1247976;#1247976
Mais ce que j'en dis....
PS. Je rappelle aussi que pour ceux qui ont un ou deux enfants, la plupart des lodges et hôtels proposent des "family" chambres ou bungalows qui permettent de loger à quatre...
Je rappelle le fil de discussion, que tu avais initié il y a deux mois, et dans lequel j'avais entre autres fait un petit calcul de budget, en comparant le nôtre (location voiture + hôtels et lodges), avec celui de mémépat (4 x 4 et camping)... Calcul qui avait montré que la formule la plus chère n'est pas forcément celle que l'on croit...
Ce fil, intitulé : "Namibie à petit prix en été 2008" se trouve là : http://voyageforum.com/...ost=1247976;#1247976
Mais ce que j'en dis....
PS. Je rappelle aussi que pour ceux qui ont un ou deux enfants, la plupart des lodges et hôtels proposent des "family" chambres ou bungalows qui permettent de loger à quatre...
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Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
Namibia raises park fees by 86 to 100 percent
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D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
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D0 Arrival at JNB D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route) D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this: - Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
Thanks for your help
Hello everyone,
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective. First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...). That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on. The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start... During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.) The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance. Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page). Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Hi there,
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water), – Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places, – Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly, – One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
--- Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments. Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored: – services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water), – hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments, – visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly, – one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment. To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone. Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Thanks so much in advance!
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
So far, the itinerary looks like this: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking: Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?) Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire Day 4: Full day in Tarangire Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome... Thanks
Hi everyone,
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
Thanks in advance! 😉
hi there
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works. I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!! I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh… Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car?? If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali? Thanks so much for your help… Best regards
Hey everyone,
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be: - Hwange - Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona) - Mana Pools - Harare - Gonarezhou - Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
hi there
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work. I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts. So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza Ngenda Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas) Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions: -Is French still widely spoken? -Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info? -Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back? -Is it possible to go hiking solo? -Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share. Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work. I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts. So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza Ngenda Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas) Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions: -Is French still widely spoken? -Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info? -Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back? -Is it possible to go hiking solo? -Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share. Looking forward to exchanging more!
Hi everyone,
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind. I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south: 14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie 17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza 20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara 22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants 25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere. 28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel. 29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance! Nicole Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind. I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south: 14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie 17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza 20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara 22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants 25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere. 28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel. 29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance! Nicole Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers. We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering: Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later) Pretoria – 2 days Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day Acornhoek – 1 day Letaba – 2 days Lobamba – 2 days Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days Cape of Good Hope – 1 day Stellenbosch – 1 day Hermanus – 1 day Mossel Bay – 2 days Oudtshoorn Wilderness – 2 days Knysna Port Elizabeth – 2 days Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions. We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers. We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering: Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later) Pretoria – 2 days Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day Acornhoek – 1 day Letaba – 2 days Lobamba – 2 days Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days Cape of Good Hope – 1 day Stellenbosch – 1 day Hermanus – 1 day Mossel Bay – 2 days Oudtshoorn Wilderness – 2 days Knysna Port Elizabeth – 2 days Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions. We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!
Hi,
I’m heading to Angola for two weeks starting mid-April and I’d like to rent a car to explore the country, but not a 4x4 to keep my budget in check. I plan to mostly stay in the western part and go as far as the Namibian border. Is it possible to drive in Iona Park without a 4x4, or to get to Kalendula or Piedra Negras? Also, is the Lubango–Huambo–Kuito–Malanje route doable in a city car? Lastly, do gas stations accept Visa?
Thanks for your feedback and tips!
Hello
Now that the Kruger part is (almost) wrapped up, I’m looking at the "Cape region" section.
The idea of spending 2 days (well, more like 2 nights and 1.5 days) in the Cederberg is really tempting 😎.
I’ve reread the posts about it—more or less (actually, more less than more)—and I still have quite a few questions: - Where’s the best area to stay? Initially, I was looking at Kagga Kama, but I’m not sure if it’s worth the cost (or the trip, for that matter), or maybe Mount Ceder? Or somewhere else (without driving 6 or 8 hours from CT 😉)? The plan is to get there in a sedan (if possible), see some beautiful landscapes, and do one or two hikes (nothing too tough 😛). - I read that you need a permit to hike there... where do you buy it? (At the entrance, like in Kruger? 🤪) - Is October a good time for the weather (theoretically...)?
Now that the Kruger part is (almost) wrapped up, I’m looking at the "Cape region" section.
The idea of spending 2 days (well, more like 2 nights and 1.5 days) in the Cederberg is really tempting 😎.
I’ve reread the posts about it—more or less (actually, more less than more)—and I still have quite a few questions: - Where’s the best area to stay? Initially, I was looking at Kagga Kama, but I’m not sure if it’s worth the cost (or the trip, for that matter), or maybe Mount Ceder? Or somewhere else (without driving 6 or 8 hours from CT 😉)? The plan is to get there in a sedan (if possible), see some beautiful landscapes, and do one or two hikes (nothing too tough 😛). - I read that you need a permit to hike there... where do you buy it? (At the entrance, like in Kruger? 🤪) - Is October a good time for the weather (theoretically...)?







