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Je vais me rendre au Chili et Bolivie, me retrouver à plus de 4000m d'altitude que me conseillez vous pour lutter contre le mal des montagnes?
Mal des montagnes en Bolivie et au Chili
by Ananda
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Salut
Il faut monter progressivement si tu le peux, dormir plus bas que l'altitude maxi atteinte dans la journée, boire de grande quantités d'eau et prendre de l'aspirine ou du paracétamol.
Si tu attéris directement à La Paz, il est fort probable que tu te sentes essouflée, que tu aies un peu mal à la tête, voire même que tu aies des nausées. Reste tranquile le premier jour, même si tu te sents bien dans les premières heures... Et bois !
Pour un peu plus d'infos : http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=83264;
Il faut monter progressivement si tu le peux, dormir plus bas que l'altitude maxi atteinte dans la journée, boire de grande quantités d'eau et prendre de l'aspirine ou du paracétamol.
Si tu attéris directement à La Paz, il est fort probable que tu te sentes essouflée, que tu aies un peu mal à la tête, voire même que tu aies des nausées. Reste tranquile le premier jour, même si tu te sents bien dans les premières heures... Et bois !
Pour un peu plus d'infos : http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=83264;
"Old travellers never die, they just smell that way"
Salut,
Je n'ai jamais pris de Diamox et ne suis pas médecin. Je sais simplement que le Diamox empêche de s'apercevoir des premiers symptômes du mal des montagnes et fait pisser plus que de raison. Personnellement, je ne me ferai jamais prescrire du Diamox pour un sommet inférieur à 7000 mètres. Je persiste à dire que le meilleur remède contre le mal des montagnes reste de prendre du temps pour gagner en altitude. Si tu veux en savoir un peu plus, tu peux faire un tour sur le forum camp to camp où j'y ai lu récemment une discussion intéressante à ce sujet.
Je n'ai jamais pris de Diamox et ne suis pas médecin. Je sais simplement que le Diamox empêche de s'apercevoir des premiers symptômes du mal des montagnes et fait pisser plus que de raison. Personnellement, je ne me ferai jamais prescrire du Diamox pour un sommet inférieur à 7000 mètres. Je persiste à dire que le meilleur remède contre le mal des montagnes reste de prendre du temps pour gagner en altitude. Si tu veux en savoir un peu plus, tu peux faire un tour sur le forum camp to camp où j'y ai lu récemment une discussion intéressante à ce sujet.
"Old travellers never die, they just smell that way"
Salut,
Je rajouterai aux conseils de Gnome que le mate de coca fonctionne tres bien contre le mal de tete du a l'altitude. Mais il est vraiment qu'une acclimatation préalable et une montée reguliére par pallier sont les meilleurs remédes.
A+
Je rajouterai aux conseils de Gnome que le mate de coca fonctionne tres bien contre le mal de tete du a l'altitude. Mais il est vraiment qu'une acclimatation préalable et une montée reguliére par pallier sont les meilleurs remédes.
A+
Salut,
Juste au sujet du mate de coca : c'est super bon (surtout quand les feuilles ne sont pas trop vieilles et qu'elles ont infusé suffisemment), mais il a été prouvé à maintes reprises que ce breuvage, même à hautes doses, ne fait pas plus d'effet que la même quantité... d'eau chaude 😕. Le "secret" est donc dans l'eau et non dans la coca qui infuse 😉.
Juste au sujet du mate de coca : c'est super bon (surtout quand les feuilles ne sont pas trop vieilles et qu'elles ont infusé suffisemment), mais il a été prouvé à maintes reprises que ce breuvage, même à hautes doses, ne fait pas plus d'effet que la même quantité... d'eau chaude 😕. Le "secret" est donc dans l'eau et non dans la coca qui infuse 😉.
"Old travellers never die, they just smell that way"
Salut,
Lors d'une ascension au sein du parc Lauca, et pourtant j'étais acclimatée à l'altitude depuis des mois, le mate de coca a été un réel anti mal de tête! J'avais pourtant cru.....
Mais la prochaine fois je prendrais qu'une tasse d'eau chaude😉
Lors d'une ascension au sein du parc Lauca, et pourtant j'étais acclimatée à l'altitude depuis des mois, le mate de coca a été un réel anti mal de tête! J'avais pourtant cru.....
Mais la prochaine fois je prendrais qu'une tasse d'eau chaude😉
Juste par curiosité (j'adore cet endroit) tu as fait quelle ascension dans le Parc de Lauca ?
"Old travellers never die, they just smell that way"
Le Parinacota (premier grand sommet que je faisais), tout simplement inoubliable....🙂
Salut,
Juste au sujet du mate de coca : c'est super bon (surtout quand les feuilles ne sont pas trop vieilles et qu'elles ont infusé suffisemment), mais il a été prouvé à maintes reprises que ce breuvage, même à hautes doses, ne fait pas plus d'effet que la même quantité... d'eau chaude 😕. Le "secret" est donc dans l'eau et non dans la coca qui infuse 😉.
... faudrait le dire aux anglais ! 😉
(merci de nous renvoyer à un des classiques de la littérature française : Astérix chez les Bretons)
Juste au sujet du mate de coca : c'est super bon (surtout quand les feuilles ne sont pas trop vieilles et qu'elles ont infusé suffisemment), mais il a été prouvé à maintes reprises que ce breuvage, même à hautes doses, ne fait pas plus d'effet que la même quantité... d'eau chaude 😕. Le "secret" est donc dans l'eau et non dans la coca qui infuse 😉.
... faudrait le dire aux anglais ! 😉
(merci de nous renvoyer à un des classiques de la littérature française : Astérix chez les Bretons)
🙂 Salut Ananda, jette un oeil à ce lien http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=287711;search_string=;#287711
Bonne ballade.
Fodil
Bonne ballade.
Fodil
We must become the change we want to see.
Cf. GHANDI
🙂 Avec Plaisir.
Salut à la Lorraine.
Voila d'autres infos sur le ginkgo. Fascinant non ?
http://www.spenglersan.de/franz/Ginkgo_Meckelr/Forschung/forschung.html http://www.spenglersan.de/franz/Ginkgo_Meckelr/ginkgo_meckelr.html http://www.world-medical-clinic.com/nmc/phyto/plantes/ginkgo.htm http://www.tsr.ch/emissions/abe/archive/00/000222a.html
Salut à la Lorraine.
Voila d'autres infos sur le ginkgo. Fascinant non ?
http://www.spenglersan.de/franz/Ginkgo_Meckelr/Forschung/forschung.html http://www.spenglersan.de/franz/Ginkgo_Meckelr/ginkgo_meckelr.html http://www.world-medical-clinic.com/nmc/phyto/plantes/ginkgo.htm http://www.tsr.ch/emissions/abe/archive/00/000222a.html
We must become the change we want to see.
Cf. GHANDI
Je suis allé en bolivie dernierement et a 5000 metres d'altitude ai ressenti la puna
les médoc ne faisant rien (paracetamol aspirine) j'ai pris le mate coca et là miracle 10 minutes plus tard le mal de tete n'était plus qu'un vieux souvenir
buvez du maté c'est bon et ennergisant
Rony😎
Il n'est pas pire aveugle que celui qui ne veut pas voir.
Je persiste à dire que le meilleur remède contre le mal des montagnes reste de prendre du temps pour gagner en altitude.
C'est vrai, c'est vrai, c'est vrai ..... c'est vrai. Tout le monde le sait mais tellement ne le font pas !
Je n'ai jamais pris de Diamox et ne suis pas médecin. Je sais simplement que le Diamox empêche de s'apercevoir des premiers symptômes du mal des montagnes et fait pisser plus que de raison. Personnellement, je ne me ferai jamais prescrire du Diamox pour un sommet inférieur à 7000 mètres.
En 93 mon amie s'est effondrée aux alentours de 5000m dans la montée du thorong la. Elle n'est pas du genre à "dépasser" ses limites. Si elle n'a plus de plaisir, elle arrête, et pourtant ..... Son premier vague souvenir se situe au pied du col à 4000 et son premier vrai souvenir est à Manang à 3300m. Comme nous habitons Grenoble elle est allé au CHU faire les tests à l'effort en altitude avant d'aller au Dolpo 6 ans après. Ses performances physiques se dégradaient fortement en simulation à 4000. Donc le médecin (un spécialiste du coup) lui a prescrit du Diamox. La première prise (1/2 cacheton par jour je crois) ne devant se faire qu'à partir du moment où ses éventules maux de tête ne passeraient plus rapidement avec du paracetamol et un autre demi cacheton les jours de passage des cols où nous faisions des denivellés positifs proche de 1000m dans la journée. Elle a donc pris du Diamox pendant près de 10 jours, 3 cols sans problèmes, aucun effets secondaires. ET LE PLUS IMPORTANT : ce conseil du medecin. Ayez du DIAMOX avec vous même si vous ne prévoyez pas d'en prendre. Il peut vous sauver la vie ou celle de quelqu'un d'autre. Parce qu'il y a des gens qui succombent à 3500 m !!!
C'est vrai, c'est vrai, c'est vrai ..... c'est vrai. Tout le monde le sait mais tellement ne le font pas !
Je n'ai jamais pris de Diamox et ne suis pas médecin. Je sais simplement que le Diamox empêche de s'apercevoir des premiers symptômes du mal des montagnes et fait pisser plus que de raison. Personnellement, je ne me ferai jamais prescrire du Diamox pour un sommet inférieur à 7000 mètres.
En 93 mon amie s'est effondrée aux alentours de 5000m dans la montée du thorong la. Elle n'est pas du genre à "dépasser" ses limites. Si elle n'a plus de plaisir, elle arrête, et pourtant ..... Son premier vague souvenir se situe au pied du col à 4000 et son premier vrai souvenir est à Manang à 3300m. Comme nous habitons Grenoble elle est allé au CHU faire les tests à l'effort en altitude avant d'aller au Dolpo 6 ans après. Ses performances physiques se dégradaient fortement en simulation à 4000. Donc le médecin (un spécialiste du coup) lui a prescrit du Diamox. La première prise (1/2 cacheton par jour je crois) ne devant se faire qu'à partir du moment où ses éventules maux de tête ne passeraient plus rapidement avec du paracetamol et un autre demi cacheton les jours de passage des cols où nous faisions des denivellés positifs proche de 1000m dans la journée. Elle a donc pris du Diamox pendant près de 10 jours, 3 cols sans problèmes, aucun effets secondaires. ET LE PLUS IMPORTANT : ce conseil du medecin. Ayez du DIAMOX avec vous même si vous ne prévoyez pas d'en prendre. Il peut vous sauver la vie ou celle de quelqu'un d'autre. Parce qu'il y a des gens qui succombent à 3500 m !!!
Les chiens aboient, la caravane passe ....
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Ai suivi le conseil d'amis randonneurs en montagne et j'ai commencé à prendre COCA en homéopathie, 3 granules par jour, 5 jours avant mon départ pour un trek au Népal.
Ai poursuivi cette médication tout le long de mon voyage.
Mon mari a pu monter au Thorong La et en redrescendre dans la journée sans avoir le moindre malaise. Moi, je l'ai suivi, de Pokhara jusqu'à Muktinath et retour, sans jamais éprouver la moindre difficulté due au mal des montagnes.
COCA en 15 ch, acheté en pharmacie et sans ordonnance, ne vous coûtera pas cher et vous permettra de rester en forme. Prenez en un tube supplémentaire pour dépanner votre entourage.
Bon voyage.
eve.
eve.
Coca en homéopathie, c'est très bien pour le NEPAL, mais pour la Bolivie il vaut mieux acheter des feuilles de coca sur place et machouiller, comme tout le monde.
C'est moins cher, et très efficace !
Cyrille
bonjours,
moi aussi je prépare mon voyage, Chili, Pérou, Bolivie, pour la mi Mars je ne sais pas encore, je n' ai pas réservé mes billets. D' aprés toutes les lectures que j' ai pu faire, les discussions que j' ai pu avoir avec des personnes qui y sont allées, il n' y a pas de problèmes particuliers, si ce n' est que de faire des paliers pour s' acclimater, à 3500m par exemple, ( 2 jours mini, puis voir ! )!, il existe aussi des médicaments qui évitent le mal d' altitude mais si on peut les éviter, les feuilles de coca machées sont un remède que les habitants des Andes utilisent. Vous partez quand au juste et dans quelles conditions, peut ètre que nos chemins vont se croisés ? Voila pour quelques lignes qui peut ètre seront complétées par d' autres. N' hésitez pas à me faire part de vos réponses si vous le jugez utile. Bon voyage et peut ètre à bientot
jackadit
Je vais me rendre au Chili et Bolivie, me retrouver à plus de 4000m d'altitude que me conseillez vous pour lutter contre le mal des montagnes?
moi aussi je prépare mon voyage, Chili, Pérou, Bolivie, pour la mi Mars je ne sais pas encore, je n' ai pas réservé mes billets. D' aprés toutes les lectures que j' ai pu faire, les discussions que j' ai pu avoir avec des personnes qui y sont allées, il n' y a pas de problèmes particuliers, si ce n' est que de faire des paliers pour s' acclimater, à 3500m par exemple, ( 2 jours mini, puis voir ! )!, il existe aussi des médicaments qui évitent le mal d' altitude mais si on peut les éviter, les feuilles de coca machées sont un remède que les habitants des Andes utilisent. Vous partez quand au juste et dans quelles conditions, peut ètre que nos chemins vont se croisés ? Voila pour quelques lignes qui peut ètre seront complétées par d' autres. N' hésitez pas à me faire part de vos réponses si vous le jugez utile. Bon voyage et peut ètre à bientot
jackadit
Je vais me rendre au Chili et Bolivie, me retrouver à plus de 4000m d'altitude que me conseillez vous pour lutter contre le mal des montagnes?
jackadit
et apres tu n auras plus aucun probleme car tu sera habitue a l altitude
Rien de moins sûr ! j'ai eu le sorroche à La Paz, c'est passé, mais revenu chaque fois que je suis descendue puis remontée en altitude... traité à chaque fois avec de la coca, ça passe rapidement, mais ça revient ...
Rien de moins sûr ! j'ai eu le sorroche à La Paz, c'est passé, mais revenu chaque fois que je suis descendue puis remontée en altitude... traité à chaque fois avec de la coca, ça passe rapidement, mais ça revient ...
Cyrille
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I’ve already visited quite a few countries across several continents, but I’m pretty new to Asia.
I’m planning a trip to Thailand in October or November, and I wanted to check about health precautions: malaria treatment, vaccinations (hepatitis A or others...). I’ll mostly be in the northern region, around Chiang Mai, where I’ll spend a lot of time in nature and the mountains. Then I’ll head south to Phuket or Krabi and visit Khao Sok National Park. I’ll finish up in Bangkok, with a likely detour to Kanchanaburi.
From what I understand, for a stay of less than 60 days, I don’t need a visa (I’m a French national)? I just need to fill out the TDAC form 3 to 5 days before arrival?
Thanks for your advice! Fred
Hi there,
I was wondering if anyone is heading to Cuba soon and could bring me some over-the-counter Sildenafil (viagra) tablets—available at Varadero Airport, among other places.
I live in the Quebec City area. Thanks
I live in the Quebec City area. Thanks
Hi there! So, I'm hesitating about taking a long trip. I'd like to go away for 2 to 3 months and travel across several continents. I’d love some advice. I often have unexplained allergies and need to follow a daily treatment for my diabetes (insulin). I think I can get authorization from my doctor to travel for 6 months with the treatment—is that correct? After those 6 months, is it possible (instead of bothering a relative to send the medication) to see a foreign doctor to get another 6-month travel authorization? How does it work at the airport? Do I need just one medication transport authorization, or do I have to request a new one in each country (once the treatment runs out) for both the flight and a DCI? Also, travel insurance doesn’t cover chronic illnesses, so will I have to pay for foreign consultations out of pocket? I’m not sure if I explained myself clearly. Oh, and just to repeat—travel insurance doesn’t cover chronic illnesses, so foreign consultations will be at my own expense? Thanks in advance for your help!
Hi everyone.
After years of traveling to the USA without any medical insurance subscriptions—and luckily never having any major health issues (though I did get a scorpion sting buried in the sand at CBSouth, 😇)—life has caught up with us, and we’re now being forced into "wisdom" and leaving our carefree days behind.
So, I’m looking for the best compromise for a 2-month health insurance plan. I’ve read the discussions on this topic, but the most recent one is from last year, and I’d love your take on the current situation. I’m familiar with the usual options like Europ Assistance and AXA, but I’ve just discovered Chapka and Heymondo (the latter seems interesting in terms of both price and coverage).
What do you think of these last two? How do they compare in terms of value for money against the bigger companies?
Thanks in advance, everyone.
So, I’m looking for the best compromise for a 2-month health insurance plan. I’ve read the discussions on this topic, but the most recent one is from last year, and I’d love your take on the current situation. I’m familiar with the usual options like Europ Assistance and AXA, but I’ve just discovered Chapka and Heymondo (the latter seems interesting in terms of both price and coverage).
What do you think of these last two? How do they compare in terms of value for money against the bigger companies?
Thanks in advance, everyone.
Hi,
We’ve planned a 3-week trip to Bali this summer with our 7-year-old daughter. The itinerary includes Sanur, Nusa Lembongan, Sidemen, Amed, and Ubud. The more time passes, the more we read about people getting sick—some with mild to severe traveler’s diarrhea, and many ending up in the hospital. We, as parents, have been through it in Egypt with pretty bad cases, but we’d really like to avoid that for our daughter. Even though there’s no zero risk, and we’ll be careful, can any of you reassure me? Not everyone got sick, right? I’d love to hear positive feedback from parents, but not just them 😊. Thanks in advance!
Hi there...
I’m traveling with a friend for a month in November.
We booked our round-trip tickets from Paris to Phnom Penh, and yes, I know—it was a mistake. We should’ve flown out of Laos, but here we are.
But is it doable to backpack through both countries in a relaxed way?
I’ve seen that the transport takes a while...
Thanks so much for your replies.
Hi there,
I’ve started looking into getting dental implants, possibly in Costa Rica or Mexico.
Do you have any clinics to recommend or ones I should avoid?
For the next steps, I need to choose between Cuba Medika or Medigo—these are agencies that help with medical procedures. Do you have any info on either of them?
Thanks so much for your help!
Thanks so much for your help!
Hi everyone, a question for those who’ve been lucky enough to visit Raja Ampat—should you consider preventive malaria treatment given its proximity to Papua? And how was the food hygiene situation?
Thanks for your feedback! !
Hi there.
I’d like to know if all medications need to be declared at Uzbek customs.
E.g., antidepressants?
Thanks for your reply
For several years now, increased aggression has been observed in Cape fur seals.
At least 70 unprovoked attacks on humans.
It was recently confirmed that this is due to rabies.
The suspected origin is contamination in Namibia by jackals.
The contagion seems to be spreading.
Preventive vaccination (of the animals) is being considered.
Just a reminder:
Rabies affects all mammals.
Once symptoms appear—sometimes weeks or even months later—death is inevitable.
It’s the bite that transmits the disease.
There are so-called "furious" forms with aggression, but also forms without aggression.
In case of a bite, in addition to standard wound care, tetanus prevention… rabies prevention is essential.
Stay careful out there…
Seeing seals from a boat along the coast isn’t rare in these parts…
I need 2 dental implants and I'd like to get them done abroad (it's a question of price).
Thanks for helping me with my search (Turkey, Spain, Romania???)
Can you tell me if you're satisfied with the services provided by Dentist Miguel at Club Amigo in Holguin? I'd like to go there in mid-December. Is it worth the trip to get dental prosthetics done?
Thanks for getting back to me... Michelle from Quebec
Hello,
I’m looking for a dentist who can do a full lower-arch implant with a complete prosthesis. I’m in Quebec and available to travel to Cuba. Need full contact details. Thanks everyone!
Hi there,
My current plan is to get my teeth treated in Cuba, especially for dental implants. Has anyone here had experience and could refer me to a good, affordable dentist? I’d really appreciate it if you could give me an idea of the price for one implant, since I need at least 6 done. Thanks so much!
My current plan is to get my teeth treated in Cuba, especially for dental implants. Has anyone here had experience and could refer me to a good, affordable dentist? I’d really appreciate it if you could give me an idea of the price for one implant, since I need at least 6 done. Thanks so much!