Mongolie: pêche tout au long du voyage sans agence
by Kikibn
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonjour
je me rends en mongolie en juin 2012 avec mon vehicule pour un voyage de 4 mois , voir plus
je desire pecher de ci de la au fure et a mesure des etapes sans passer par une agence fixe
quelques uns d entre vous ont ils vecu ce genre d experiences?
avez vous des adresses de guides ponctuels je n ai besoin ni de vehicules ni d hotels
nous devons parcourir entre 6000 et 7000 kms a travers ce pays, et je voudrais bien gouter ces fameuses truites Lenocks
ou ces cendres magnifiques, sans pour cela engager a chaque etape , de gros frais d agences ou de permis
sans louer une conscession fixe
je suis preneur de tout renseignement . merci d avance
kikibn
voyageur solitaire , voyageur solidaire
il faut un permis pour pêcher en mongolie, certes vous ne devriez pas rencontrer beaucoup de policiers et de surveillants lors de votre périple a bord de votre véhicule, mais mieux le savoir. en principe le permis est délivré que pour une zone donnée donc a savoir si il existe la solution pour toutes les zones de peche... je en sais pas...
a certains endroits là ou sont installés les structures des agences on ne peut pas pêcher, : chasse gardée... c'est +/- la situation generale pour d'autres infos pratiques de la vie courante peut être trouverez qq chose d'intéressant sur mes pages http://www.terramongolia.com
avons sur place des contacts fiables qui pourraient vous aider pour el permis? mais aussi peuvent vous accueillir a votre arrivée, vous loger dans modeste guest hosue, mettre votre véhicule à l'abri à Ub et qui sait pouvoir vous répondre au sujet de guides ponctuels? sans engagement vous pouvez essayer de contacter en anglais directement mejet69@yahoo.com
en esperant que tout cela et ce qui suit va vous aider un peu
bon voyage
FISHING MONGOLIA
Fly-Fishing rivers also include - the Ider, Delgermoron, Bugsei, Selenge and Chuluut Rivers. Lake fishing includes - Terkhiin Tsagaan Nuur (White Lake) - Arkhangai Aimag and Khovsgol Lake - Khovsgol Aimag.
(There are opportunities for stunning hikes both at White Lake and Lake Khovsgol as well as horse trekking)
Just so you know - to fish in Mongolia you are meant to have a permit. Out-of-the-way rivers are usually unpatrolled - but this does not mean that you don't need a licence. You should not just pitch up and fish - even though people do. If you are fishing within a national park you can obtain a permit from the local national park administration offices. Your best bet is to contact one of the companies that run fishing tours just to make sure what the exact rules and regulations are.
As you probably know Mongolia is vast - the size of Western Europe - and travelling its kilometres can take up time. If you would like to travel independently it is possible to travel by public transport (mini-van) from Ulaan Baatar to Murun (capital town of Khovsgol Aimag - the Delgermoron river flows through Murun and is said to be excellent for fly fishing). You could then travel from Murun to Khatgal (the small town at the south of Lake Khovsgol). By visiting Lake Khovsgol you could be relatively independent and still achieve all that you would like within your time frame.
The area is Khovsgol Nuur National Park - known as both the Blue Pearl of Mongolia and Dalai Ej (Mother Sea). It is located within the Siberian taiga - an area of alpine meadows and forest steppe. Within Khatgal there are many small Mongolian owned ger camps and travel operators - recomended to me is MS Guesthouse (but of course there are others - maybe look for reports on this forum). The ger camp /travel operator should be able to help you with your fishing permit and from this base you would be able to organise a horse trek, hiking (the Khoridol Saridag mountains are stunning) and of course you could fish to your hearts content.
Please be aware that Khovsgol is an incredibly fragile environment of international importance - just check to see how responsible the ger camp / travel operator is regarding protecting the environment.
a certains endroits là ou sont installés les structures des agences on ne peut pas pêcher, : chasse gardée... c'est +/- la situation generale pour d'autres infos pratiques de la vie courante peut être trouverez qq chose d'intéressant sur mes pages http://www.terramongolia.com
avons sur place des contacts fiables qui pourraient vous aider pour el permis? mais aussi peuvent vous accueillir a votre arrivée, vous loger dans modeste guest hosue, mettre votre véhicule à l'abri à Ub et qui sait pouvoir vous répondre au sujet de guides ponctuels? sans engagement vous pouvez essayer de contacter en anglais directement mejet69@yahoo.com
en esperant que tout cela et ce qui suit va vous aider un peu
bon voyage
FISHING MONGOLIA
Fly-Fishing rivers also include - the Ider, Delgermoron, Bugsei, Selenge and Chuluut Rivers. Lake fishing includes - Terkhiin Tsagaan Nuur (White Lake) - Arkhangai Aimag and Khovsgol Lake - Khovsgol Aimag.
(There are opportunities for stunning hikes both at White Lake and Lake Khovsgol as well as horse trekking)
Just so you know - to fish in Mongolia you are meant to have a permit. Out-of-the-way rivers are usually unpatrolled - but this does not mean that you don't need a licence. You should not just pitch up and fish - even though people do. If you are fishing within a national park you can obtain a permit from the local national park administration offices. Your best bet is to contact one of the companies that run fishing tours just to make sure what the exact rules and regulations are.
As you probably know Mongolia is vast - the size of Western Europe - and travelling its kilometres can take up time. If you would like to travel independently it is possible to travel by public transport (mini-van) from Ulaan Baatar to Murun (capital town of Khovsgol Aimag - the Delgermoron river flows through Murun and is said to be excellent for fly fishing). You could then travel from Murun to Khatgal (the small town at the south of Lake Khovsgol). By visiting Lake Khovsgol you could be relatively independent and still achieve all that you would like within your time frame.
The area is Khovsgol Nuur National Park - known as both the Blue Pearl of Mongolia and Dalai Ej (Mother Sea). It is located within the Siberian taiga - an area of alpine meadows and forest steppe. Within Khatgal there are many small Mongolian owned ger camps and travel operators - recomended to me is MS Guesthouse (but of course there are others - maybe look for reports on this forum). The ger camp /travel operator should be able to help you with your fishing permit and from this base you would be able to organise a horse trek, hiking (the Khoridol Saridag mountains are stunning) and of course you could fish to your hearts content.
Please be aware that Khovsgol is an incredibly fragile environment of international importance - just check to see how responsible the ger camp / travel operator is regarding protecting the environment.
un mongol nait sous la yourte et meurt à cheval (proverbe mongol)
Cher Kikibn,
Je suis allé pêcher en Mongolie plusieurs fois, avec des organisations variées, et pourrais vous donner quelques conseils. En tous cas, c'est la première fois que je vois quelqu'un y aller avec son propre véhicule. J'aurais un peu plus de temps demain ou après-demain. Si vous avez une adresse mail, ce sera plus simple pour communiquer. Si j'oubliais, n'hésitez pas à me relancer directement sur mon mail plutôt qu'en passant par ce forum (jdupuis@lexpress.fr)
Le hasard fait qu'en juin 2012, je serai à Serriera, non loin d'Osani, je crois...
Jérôme
Je suis allé pêcher en Mongolie plusieurs fois, avec des organisations variées, et pourrais vous donner quelques conseils. En tous cas, c'est la première fois que je vois quelqu'un y aller avec son propre véhicule. J'aurais un peu plus de temps demain ou après-demain. Si vous avez une adresse mail, ce sera plus simple pour communiquer. Si j'oubliais, n'hésitez pas à me relancer directement sur mon mail plutôt qu'en passant par ce forum (jdupuis@lexpress.fr)
Le hasard fait qu'en juin 2012, je serai à Serriera, non loin d'Osani, je crois...
Jérôme
bonjour,
j'ai aussi le projet de m'y rendre et de faire du vélo la bas cet été , ainsi que de pêcher...
je me suis renseigné et apparemment le fait de pêcher sans permis ne pose pas de problème... je crois avoir lu qu'un gars est tombé sur espece de garde et qu'il a pu s'arranger avec lui...
en même temps je ne veux pas trop m'avancer, je te dis ici que le condensé de ce que j'ai pu fouiné mais je n'y suis jamais aller moi même...
d'autres part, d'autres ont pêcher sans permis donc, et sans agences aussi, et toujours sans soucis...perdu dans la steppe...
par contre, certains ont dit qu'il valait mieux s'éloigner des lieux trop fréquenter par les clients des agences, a la fois pour être tranquille et pour éviter les ennuis de permis... notamment vers le lac khovsgol...
voila , c'est a peu prés tout
ah, aussi, apparemment c'est assez difficile de suivre le cours d'une rivière, pas réellement de pistes en suivant une, donc il faut procéder par morceaux ou a la boussole !
que penses tu de rester en contact, on sera peut être au même moment au même endroit...?!
a bientôt
et oui je pars la bas avec le bj transformé pour l occase; env 35000 km allé et retours en 4 ou 5 mois
merci pour ces quelques reponses intéressantes
j avais envoyé un mail a pescadorfeliz qui m a repondu tres aimablement sur son experience
pas besoin selon lui de permis pour pecher la truite ça est la mais demander au chef du village ou proprietaire de la yourt la plusproche et les portes parait il, s' ouvrent automatiquement contre un petit cadeau ou une petite somme d argent y compris sur les domaines soit disant reservés par les agences, mieux vaut peut etre s eloigner des camps spécialisés ou les contacter pour profiter d une journée de peche je vous conseille de lire l exelent compte rendu du tres fameux pescadorfeliz en dessous de ce post
degun je t envoie un mp😏
pas besoin selon lui de permis pour pecher la truite ça est la mais demander au chef du village ou proprietaire de la yourt la plusproche et les portes parait il, s' ouvrent automatiquement contre un petit cadeau ou une petite somme d argent y compris sur les domaines soit disant reservés par les agences, mieux vaut peut etre s eloigner des camps spécialisés ou les contacter pour profiter d une journée de peche je vous conseille de lire l exelent compte rendu du tres fameux pescadorfeliz en dessous de ce post
degun je t envoie un mp😏
voyageur solitaire , voyageur solidaire
Suis allé pêcher souvent la-bas, parfois dans des zones très isolées, mais, contrairement à ce qu'à vu Pescadorfeliz, quasiment jamais croisé d'autres pêcheurs, sauf sur la Tchulut, et quelques locaux, mal équipés, à un ou deux endroits.Ce n'est en rien un problème, en Mongolie...
En revanche, pour communiquer avec les Mongols et bien profiter de ce séjour, je conseillerais quand même de prendre un interprète...
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Thanks
Bonjour,
notre voyage en Indonésie étant annulé, et notre agence nous déconseillant l'Egypte, nous sommes à la recherche d'un lieu où nous pourrons faire du snorkeling depuis la plage (et en excursion bateau). Je connais un peu Zanzibar pour y être allé il y a plus de 10 ans, ainsi que Pemba (mais les prix ont explosé), et je me tourne aussi vers Mafia. Est ce propice au snorkeling , des resorts ont ils des house reef où l'on peut voir des choses intéressantes (je ne m'attends pas non plus au niveau de la Sulawesi ou des Raja). Merci d'avance pour toute info.
notre voyage en Indonésie étant annulé, et notre agence nous déconseillant l'Egypte, nous sommes à la recherche d'un lieu où nous pourrons faire du snorkeling depuis la plage (et en excursion bateau). Je connais un peu Zanzibar pour y être allé il y a plus de 10 ans, ainsi que Pemba (mais les prix ont explosé), et je me tourne aussi vers Mafia. Est ce propice au snorkeling , des resorts ont ils des house reef où l'on peut voir des choses intéressantes (je ne m'attends pas non plus au niveau de la Sulawesi ou des Raja). Merci d'avance pour toute info.
Bonjour à tous,
Je pose ma question malgré la situation incertaine actuellement, mais évidemment mon plan de voyage est conditionnel à l'évolution de la pandémie, donc merci de vous abstenir ceux qui me diraient juste de rester chez moi ;)
Donc, je planifie de passer l'hiver au sud de l'Europe, et ou vers les Balkans et j'aimerais savoir si c'est partout de la plongée en eau froide donc avec le drysuit et tout ou s'il y a des endroits qui sont superbes et ou je peux plonger avec un suit plus épais seulement même exemple en février et mars. J'ai lu pas mal ici sur le portugal et malte https://divezone.net/diving/portugal mais j'aimerais l'opinion récente de plongeurs du coin! :)
Ce que j'aime en plongée c'est l'eau claire, les fonds marins attrayants, la vie aquatique particulière, etc. Je ne suis pas une fan d'épaves, mais je considérerai tout les sites / pays proposés :)
Merci!
Je pose ma question malgré la situation incertaine actuellement, mais évidemment mon plan de voyage est conditionnel à l'évolution de la pandémie, donc merci de vous abstenir ceux qui me diraient juste de rester chez moi ;)
Donc, je planifie de passer l'hiver au sud de l'Europe, et ou vers les Balkans et j'aimerais savoir si c'est partout de la plongée en eau froide donc avec le drysuit et tout ou s'il y a des endroits qui sont superbes et ou je peux plonger avec un suit plus épais seulement même exemple en février et mars. J'ai lu pas mal ici sur le portugal et malte https://divezone.net/diving/portugal mais j'aimerais l'opinion récente de plongeurs du coin! :)
Ce que j'aime en plongée c'est l'eau claire, les fonds marins attrayants, la vie aquatique particulière, etc. Je ne suis pas une fan d'épaves, mais je considérerai tout les sites / pays proposés :)
Merci!
Nous sommes allé faire une plongée profonde de 100 pieds à la carrière Flintkote. Nous sommes descendu sur le site de l'autobus. êtes vous déjà allé plus bas? comme a la voiture?
Voici notre visite en vidéo
Voici notre visite en vidéo




