Bonjour a tous,
Après avoir voyage un certain temps et étant tombé amoureux de la Chine, je souhaite ouvrir un bar à vin (Vins, Spiritueux et peut-être qq produits du terroir en dégustation) à Chengdu au Sichuan.
J'aimerais donc connaître vos avis et peut-être vous pourriez m'aider grâce à vos expériences en chine ou ailleurs.
Qq questions :
Est-ce un si mauvaise idée que de s'associer à des chinois ?
Faut il mieux s'orienter vers un bar ou une boutique ?
Qu'en est il des droits de douane (ou autres) en chine ?
Merci à tous ceux qui auront la gentillesse de me répondre
email : romainbrard@yahoo.fr
J'ai passé un an en Chine et je pense que ton idée est bonne. Je pense que s'associer avec des chinois est plus ou moins inévitable!!!!
Pourquoi avoir choisi Chengdu? J'aurais plutôt pensé à Kunming dans le Yunan car c'est une ville plus touristique.
Sinon, je pense qu'un bar serait mieux qu'un magasin car la clientèle pourra être à la fois étrangère et chinoise alors que dans le cas d'un magasin, la cible serait, à mon avis, plus limitée.
Tiens moi au courant de ton projet ça m'intéresse. En plus je dois effectuer un stage prochainement donc peut-être que je pourrais participer à ce projet.
Je connait un francais qui fait dans l'importation de vin en chine (jusqu'a 20% de frais d'importation).
Cette derniere personne à mis sur pied des etudes pour faire des series de bare à vin sous franchise.
Il est entreint d'ouvrir le premier.
Si tu veux je peut te mettre en contact avec lui.
Pour ce qui est de partenaire chinois, c toi qui choisis. Tu peux tout faire sans aucun partenaire, mais tu dois investir plus ...
Pour le vin, beaucoup de chinois connaissent la reputation du vin francais. Mais par contre il faut les eduquer pour leur apprendre la facon dont il faut boire....
pour tout ce qui est réglementation vous devriez déjà contacter les différents organismes dévolu à l'exportation. consulter notamment le site des missions économiques qui vous donneront deja un tas d'informations pratiques en ligne sur l'économie du pays et la réglementation. depuis ce site vous aurez accés à certains liens aussi. si vous ne trouvez pas certaines infos adressez vous directement à eux en chine puisque les missions économiques sont une réprésentation officielle française présente pour aider à se développer sur l'étranger. envoyez leur un courrier.
de plus la chine étant un pays en plein essor de nombreuses cci ou drce on des dossier sur ce qu'il faut et ne faut pas faire. je n'en ais récupéré un dans une drce d'auvergne car je monte un dossier chine dans le cadre d'une formation export. si ça peux vous aider.....😉
Bonjour,
Sur ce forum vous parlez d'un contact Français en Chine concernant des franchises sur des bars à vin. En tant que viticulteur et apres 2 voyages dans ce fabuleux pays, je souhaite établir quelques relations commercilae. Peu être pouvez vous me mettre en relation avec votre ami.
Merci d'avance
petit-paris@wanadoo.fr
Je suis a Shanghai depuis plus d`un an. Je souhaite ouvrir un bar ou un bar-restaurant a Shanghai.
Je suis interesse par les informations et les contacts concernant le milieu de la nuit ou tout simplement les bars.
Pourriez-vous me mettre en contact avec cette personne qui se lance dans le bar a vin.Merci
J'ai lu le message que vous avez laissé au sujet de l'une de vos connaissance qui est françcais et qui veut installer des bars à vin en chine, sous franchise.
A t-il a ce jour ouvert son 1er bar à vin, si oui dans quelle région ?
Pouvez-vous me donner ses coordonnées afin que je puisse discuter du sujet avec lui.
Je serai intéressée dans l'année qui vient vers septembre 2007, d'ouvrir a French wines bar à Canton ou à Shanghai, je ne sais pas encore
Merci pour votre aide
je souhaiterais savoir si depuis ton idée en 2006, tu as vu le jour avec un bar à vin en chine. je voudrais me lancer dans une franchise de bars à vin sur shanghai....
Merci de ta réponse !
Isabelle
Pourquoi Shanghai ?
Parce que Shanghai est gorgé d'un bon million d'expatriés dont certains seraient heureux de trouver un concept surper sympathique, franchouillard avec des vins de qualités et quelques bon produits du terroirs...
parce que les chinois commencent doucement à connaitre le vin et que les vrais connaisseurs et amateurs n'ont que très peu d'endroits de ce genre pour découvrir le vin de cette manière...
Il serait motivant pour moi de contribuer à promouvoir les produits de grandes taditions françaises pour encourager les producteurs passionnés d'authenticité
De plus en plus de chinois font un séjour en occidents et connaissent des moments conviviaux qu'il ne peuvent pas réitérer dans ce cadre là chez eux...
J'ai un intérêt croissant pour l'Asie
J'ai besoin de challenge, d'évoluer avec un produit qui m'a séduit lors de mon précédant job
j'ai envie de renouveaux
les investisseurs ne sont pas aussi frileux là bas qu'en france
C'est justement parce que les bars à vins sont encore trop peu nombreux là bas que j'ai envie d'en faire découvrir le concept ...
mais si ton objectif est de t'orienter vers les expats (europeens sans doute) pkoi pas mais quand j'ai envie de prendre un bon verre, je vais dans un bon hotel comme le font les chinois ou les expats qui s'y connaissent.
il faudrait faire une etude de marché, a vrai dire je ne sais pas le nombre de clients potentiels. De plus, il faudra trouver des associés chinois et aussi avoir les moyens financiers
Oui évidemment...
je suis en contact avec un cabinet d'études spécialisées qui cherche justement à développer ce genre de concept. Pour eux, c'est porteur...
A condition de cibler le haut de gamme !!! sinequanone du succès pour la chine aujourd'hui !
Ils ont justement toutes les personnes sur place pour trouver les lieux les plus judiciuex, les investisseurs....
Toutes les évolutions sont longues...et avec le temps, il faut espérer que les chinois ou les expat sauront apprécier la dégustation d'un très bon verre en situation adéquate !
Dans le dernier article de l'expansion hors série sur le buisnesss du vin, il y a un article dédié à Shanghai et aux bars à vins...cela donne juste envie de se mettre en route !
Bien sur, je n'ai pas encore idée de comment financer tout cela, j'ai du pain sur la planche...mais beaucoup d'enthousisasme !
Je vois votre message un peu tard mais j'ai un projet similaire ( hors asie ), votre wine bar a t'il vu le jour ? Si oui pouvez vous nous donner votre retour sur la mise en place et les aspects lies a un tel business ?
Bonjour Fakron, j habite en Chine depuis 3 ans, je bosse dans le vin apres avoir ouvert des bars, si vous pouviez me donner des contacts, je suis ouvert a tout
Bonjour a tous, j habite en Chine depuis 3 ans, apres avoir ouvert un bar a shanghai, je travaille dans le vin maintenant, n hesitez pas a me contacter pour quoique ce soit, j ai de la bouteille ;-)
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