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Passages des frontières en Amérique du Sud et Centrale
by MarcETangy
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjours à tous ! Nous sommes un couple qui partons le 20 novembre pour 11 mois en Amérique Latine puis Central.
Nous partons le 20 nov de PARIS à BUENOS AIRES pour repartir le 29 septembre 2010 de MEXICO à PARIS. Nous avons acheté un billet de retours dans le doute où l'on nous demanderait un billet de retours en France comme preuve de retours en france.
Ma question est : Avec ce billet Aller/retours multidestinations ( 710 euros) de 11 mois peut-on nous embêter au frontières comme quoi ce billet ne prouve pas que l'on quitte le pays traversé dans la durée maximal autorisé. Nous arrivons en argentine en premier lieux par exemple, la durée est de 3 mois max. J'ai un billet de retours mais qui ne prouve pas que je quitte l'argentine dans les trois mois, ca pose probleme ou pas??
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Salut,
en théorie tu es censé prouver à ton arrivée dans le pays que tu ne vas pas y séjourner plus de 3 mois.
en pratique, tu as un billet retour depuis un autre pays et tu n'es pas le 1er à voyager ainsi sur tout le continent, y'a pas de raison qu'on te fasse des ennuis.
perso, on ne m'a jamais demandé mon billet retour au moment où je passais la frontière en Amérique Latine.
donc à votre place je ne m'inquièterais pas trop.
bon voyage 🙂
en théorie tu es censé prouver à ton arrivée dans le pays que tu ne vas pas y séjourner plus de 3 mois.
en pratique, tu as un billet retour depuis un autre pays et tu n'es pas le 1er à voyager ainsi sur tout le continent, y'a pas de raison qu'on te fasse des ennuis.
perso, on ne m'a jamais demandé mon billet retour au moment où je passais la frontière en Amérique Latine.
donc à votre place je ne m'inquièterais pas trop.
bon voyage 🙂
Faby
Mercy à toi Faby c'est vrai qu'il y a du monde qui voyage comme moi, donc si j'ai un peu de chance ca passera tout seul.
Salut,
Moi je serais un peu moins optimiste a ta place, je suis dans la même situation que toi (sauf que je n'ai pas de vol de retour) et j'envisage même de changer de destination pour débuter ce trip en Amérique du sud. Effectivement tu peux jouer avec le facteur chance, ça dépend aussi de la compagnie aérienne, Air France pour ma part n' a pas l'air de rigoler avec ça...voir google J'ai déjà eu la désagréable expérience de me voir refuser l'embarquement pour cette même raison (Australie =>Singapour), je m'en suis sorti grâce au WIFI de l'aéroport en achetant un billet de bus en 20 mn chrono ''prouvant'' que je sort du pays. Séquence stress émotion que je déconseille...🤪
A toi de voir si tu aimes la roulette russe...
Cyril
http://somewhereonearth.uniterre.com/
Moi je serais un peu moins optimiste a ta place, je suis dans la même situation que toi (sauf que je n'ai pas de vol de retour) et j'envisage même de changer de destination pour débuter ce trip en Amérique du sud. Effectivement tu peux jouer avec le facteur chance, ça dépend aussi de la compagnie aérienne, Air France pour ma part n' a pas l'air de rigoler avec ça...voir google J'ai déjà eu la désagréable expérience de me voir refuser l'embarquement pour cette même raison (Australie =>Singapour), je m'en suis sorti grâce au WIFI de l'aéroport en achetant un billet de bus en 20 mn chrono ''prouvant'' que je sort du pays. Séquence stress émotion que je déconseille...🤪
A toi de voir si tu aimes la roulette russe...
Cyril
http://somewhereonearth.uniterre.com/
Oui je redoute ça c'est vrai, je tente ma chance et je me dis au pire que je pourrais toujours acheter un billet de bus prouvant ma sorti de territoire (en faite c'est toujours les aéroport qui nous pose problemes).
je suis dans la même situation que toi (sauf que je n'ai pas de vol de retour)
je pense que là est toute la différence...
je pense que là est toute la différence...
Faby
je suis dans la même situation que toi (sauf que je n'ai pas de vol de retour)
je pense que là est toute la différence...
Oui et non car comme l'a bien précisé Marc il faut qu' il prouve qu'il quitte l'argentine dans les trois mois, son billet retour dans 11 mois ne prouve pas grand chose... Le problème n'est pas a l'arrivée mais au départ de Paris ou tu risques de te voir refuser l'embarquement, les consignes sont strictes, je les ai lu il n'y a quelques jours (pas le lien, sorry, voir google). En effet les compagnies ne prennent pas de risques car elles risquent une amende de plusieurs fois le prix du billet...
Cyril
je pense que là est toute la différence...
Oui et non car comme l'a bien précisé Marc il faut qu' il prouve qu'il quitte l'argentine dans les trois mois, son billet retour dans 11 mois ne prouve pas grand chose... Le problème n'est pas a l'arrivée mais au départ de Paris ou tu risques de te voir refuser l'embarquement, les consignes sont strictes, je les ai lu il n'y a quelques jours (pas le lien, sorry, voir google). En effet les compagnies ne prennent pas de risques car elles risquent une amende de plusieurs fois le prix du billet...
Cyril
Oui je confirme cela, mon billet de retours prouve juste que je quitte le Mexique 11 mois plus tard, c'est une preuve de retours en France mais pas suffisante pour prouver que je quitte l'argentine durant les trois mois imparti. Je peut tenter la chance à l'embarquement en France mais disons que si un billet de bus a quelques euros peut m'éviter des problèmes :: voir une réservation?? :: Un document d'internet imprimé peut justifier?
Oui je partage l'info, beaucoup de monde sur internet cherche une réponse à cette question, je suis en contacte avec "Hergé" qui va me passer les liens et adresses : voici la question que je viens de lui poser en attendant sa réponse que je posterai ici.
"Bonjour bonjour,
Après avoir parcouru longuement le site VOYAGE FORUM, j'ai trouvé de nombreux éloges sur votre site ! Et je l'ai lu avec grand plaisir et attention. Je vous contacte pour une petite question, je pars pour 11 mois en Amérique Latine (tourisme et travail au mexique si possible) arrivant à Buenos aires le 20 novembre et je repars du Mexique. On me demande en formalité pour les douanes d'immigrations une preuve comme quoi je quitte l'argentine dans les trois mois, je suis ok, disons le bus (économiquement et socialement plus intéressant), je souhaiterais savoir de quelles villes frontalières en argentine avec n'importe quelle pays voisin, pourrais me permettre de prendre un billet de bus (par internet pour que je dispose d'un justificatif de réservation et/ou de payement) peu chère qui en réalité ne me servira pas mais me servira au moment de l'embarquement en France comme preuve de ma durée de séjourset surtout de sorti du territoire. Merci beaucoup de votre passion et de la patience que vous apportez aux voyageurs et amoureux de l'argentine ! (
Bonne continuation et merci de votre réponse. Marc "
Voila c'est le mail que je lui est envoyé en attente de réponse.
"Bonjour bonjour,
Après avoir parcouru longuement le site VOYAGE FORUM, j'ai trouvé de nombreux éloges sur votre site ! Et je l'ai lu avec grand plaisir et attention. Je vous contacte pour une petite question, je pars pour 11 mois en Amérique Latine (tourisme et travail au mexique si possible) arrivant à Buenos aires le 20 novembre et je repars du Mexique. On me demande en formalité pour les douanes d'immigrations une preuve comme quoi je quitte l'argentine dans les trois mois, je suis ok, disons le bus (économiquement et socialement plus intéressant), je souhaiterais savoir de quelles villes frontalières en argentine avec n'importe quelle pays voisin, pourrais me permettre de prendre un billet de bus (par internet pour que je dispose d'un justificatif de réservation et/ou de payement) peu chère qui en réalité ne me servira pas mais me servira au moment de l'embarquement en France comme preuve de ma durée de séjourset surtout de sorti du territoire. Merci beaucoup de votre passion et de la patience que vous apportez aux voyageurs et amoureux de l'argentine ! (
Bonne continuation et merci de votre réponse. Marc "
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I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
hi everyone,
I’m French and live in France, and my Thai girlfriend just told me she’s pregnant—she lives in Thailand. First step, a paternity test to set my mind at ease. What steps do I need to take to recognize the child? Can I do it before the birth or only after? Where do I need to go, and what paperwork is required?
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.