Voila après 2 semaines de Thailande, je fais 2 semaines de Philippines.
J'ai une question, car je pense que cela va se reproduire.
Aujourd'hui en sortant du SM, je suis tombé sur des enfants mendiants, j'ai pas donné mais 1 m'a vraiment trop fait pitié ! - Du coup j'ai culpabilisé et je suis alors retourné exprès de mon Hotel pour lui filer un billet de 20 (oui je sais il ira pas loin mais bon). Au 1ier abord je l'ai pas retrouvé mais une fille a pris la relève je lui ai alors donner mes 20p, et la y'en à plein qui sorti de nul part sont arrivé dont celui à qui je voulais justement donner à la base.
J'ai d'ailleurs eu du mal à lui donner y'avais un plus grand et plus costaux qui voulait (forcément) aussi et faisait barrage entre lui et moi. Bref j'y suis arrivé en feintant, soit au total 40p ça changera pas grand chose, mais j'ai cru lire quelque part qu'en fait il ne fallait pas donner aux enfants de rue, quelle en est la raison ?
Je me dis que j'ai finalement peut-être eu tord, en plus d'avoir fait des jaloux y'a une jeune handicapée (sorte de polio, crois pas que je suis vacciné en plus) qui est arrivé vers la fin (car plus lente) et je ne lui ai pas donné non plus, car je me suis dit que ça n'en finirai plus. Bref au final je crois que j'ai encore plus culpabilisé après qu'avant !
En plus j'ai vu qu'ils ne demandent qu'aux Blancs/Etranger, le fait d'avoir donner (même rien), niveau "harassement" ça ne va peut-être pas arranger les choses dans ce sens ! (car je ne dois pas être le seul)
Voila, vos avis sur le sujet seront les bienvenue ?
Merci
Pourquoi il ne faut pas donner aux enfants des rues(et a quiconque)???Tu as toi -
meme repondu a ta question! Harcelements incessants et encouragements a
faire la manche aupres des touristes...Tu remarqueras que le seul endroit ou ces
mendiants sont la, c'est dans le quartier de Ermita-Malate, dans tout le reste de Manille ca n'existe pas...A Makati tu n'en verras pas un seul par ex. alors que c'est pas les touristes qui manquent.Ils sont depuis toujours chasse a coup de pied au cul...Alors ne fait plus jamais la connerie de donner 1 paisa a ces quemandeurs,
car tu emmerderas tous les touristes qui passeront apres toi!😠 Agit comme s'ils
etaient invisibles dorenavant .Merci!
raph
Tout ce qui ne me tue pas, me rends plus fort
Ni dieux, ni maitres
J'ai fait la meme erreur en Inde à Bombay , pourtant j'avais bien lu qu'il fallait eviter de favoriser la mendicité.
Ignorer un groupe de petits mendiants et quand ceux-ci se sont eloignés , donner une piece à une gamine qui etait restée à me suivre et me faisait vraiment pitié avec son regard désespéré .
La bande de momes a rappliqué dare-dare et est devenue agressive à mon égard , et s'en est prise à la pauvre gamine .
la plupart du temps ton argent va servir à acheter de la colle pour se shooter, où terminer dans la poche d'un policier ou un autre racketteur. de plus quand ils commencent à s'agglutiner autour de toi, tu as intérêt à faire gaffe à tes poches.
Je considère que donner aux enfants qui font la manche sert surtout à se donner bonne conscience à moindre coût, mais a plusieurs effets pervers concernants les populations locales, en particulier cela encourage la mendicité et donne à ces population l'image de touristes "père noel". J'ai pu constater tous les désagréments engendrés lors de mon séjour au Sénégal.
Si vous voulez aider les philippins, ce qui est tout à fait respectable, le mieux à mon sens est de privilégier les petits commerces (hotels, restaurants, épiceries, vendeurs de souvenirs, ...) tenus par des locaux.
Perso, en france comme a l'étranger, je ne donne jamais d'argent mais je donne a manger si le contexte si prête
A Poipet au Cambodge, des enfants aussi étaient la, je suis entrer dans un restaurant, j'ai demander 4 plats pour les petits , la patrone a fait les plats a tout mis dans un sac plastique ( en vrac 🤪) et les petits ont pris volontier la nourriture, ils m'ont fait un sourire style "merci" et sont partis ...
En france près de chez moi j'ai "mes habitudes " avec un mec de mon age (28/30 ans ) qui "squate" souvent devant les supermarchés près de chez moi, quand je le croise je lui explique que je vais faire des courses et lui demande si il a besoin de quelques chose ( au début il refusais tout le temps ) et un jour m'a demander une boitre de thon , un gel douche etc etc , il ne me demande jamais mais reponds parfois favorablement a ma demande , je précise que ce 'jeune" je ne le vois jamais avec une bière ou une bouteille de vin plastique, il se lave dès que possible au sanitaire des supermarchés , je considère peut être a tord qu'il fait le maximum pour ne pas tomber plus bas donc j'essais de l'aider dans cette démarche a mon niveau ( je rentre pas un salaire de fou ..)
Une autre histoire...Dans les annees 90, je frequentais un supermarche le samedi
matin et devant les portes il y avait un handicape avec son fauteuil roulant qui faisait la manche, je donnais a chaque fois....J'ai appris des annees plus tard qu'il
avait eu un accident de voiture et l'assurance lui a verse plusieurs millions de francs,
il vivait dans une maison luxueuse, etait beaucoup plus riche que moi et se foutait de la gueule des donateurs aupres de ses amis;c'est d'ailleurs l'un d'eux qui me la raconte...Depuis, je ne donne plus rien aux mendiants!
raph
Tout ce qui ne me tue pas, me rends plus fort
Ni dieux, ni maitres
La différence c'est que la personne dont je te parle ne demande rien , elle tourne autours des Supermarché pour avoir accés au sanitaire, je suis aller la voir de moi même a base de " salut je vous vois régulièrement dans le coin , je vais faire deux trois courses , avez vous besoin de qqchose ? "
Le mec est pas parterre avec un carton ou la main tendu ;)
Faut bien realisé que la vie peut etre tres dure pour ces migrants dans ces grand ville comme manille ou cebu
Moi je donne regulierement en particulier au feu rouge de mango ave et mj cuenco a cebu.
Jamais ere agressé et toujours bonne conscience
Je considère que donner aux enfants qui font la manche sert surtout à se donner bonne conscience à moindre coût
C'était le cas !
Mais comme je ne donne pas au Asso, tellement de détournement (et puis je compte déja l'argent pour moi même), je me suis dit que là c'était l'occasion et que c'était aussi plus direct ... mais c'est vrai comme dit Lemonk ça va encourager encore plus "l'harassement" auprès des étrangers, comme c'est déjà trop le cas !
Une autre histoire...Dans les annees 90, je frequentais un supermarche le samedi
matin et devant les portes il y avait un handicape avec son fauteuil roulant qui faisait la manche, je donnais a chaque fois....J'ai appris des annees plus tard qu'il
avait eu un accident de voiture et l'assurance lui a verse plusieurs millions de francs,
il vivait dans une maison luxueuse, etait beaucoup plus riche que moi et se foutait de la gueule des donateurs aupres de ses amis;c'est d'ailleurs l'un d'eux qui me la raconte...Depuis, je ne donne plus rien aux mendiants!
lol ou pas lol, enfin je ne sais pas ^^
Tu remarqueras que le seul endroit ou ces
mendiants sont la, c'est dans le quartier de Ermita-Malate, dans tout le reste de Manille ca n'existe pas...A Makati tu n'en verras pas un seul par ex. alors que c'est pas les touristes qui manquent.Ils sont depuis toujours chasse a coup de pied au cul...
Ok, moi c'était à Clark, car je suis arrivé à Clark hier, le billet était moins cher ... j'en pars demain !
D'ailleurs j'en profite, pas vu un taxi ? y'a pas de Taxi sur Angeles ?
de plus quand ils commencent à s'agglutiner autour de toi, tu as intérêt à faire gaffe à tes poches.
Oui, ça aurait très bien pu être le cas. Après je ne me suis d'ailleurs pas attardé là!
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Ok!, sinon je tiendrai compte de vos avis, éventuellement de la nourriture, mais plus d'argent.
Mais comment vivent-ils ?, hormis de mendicité ? (si personne ne donne), y'a des structures minimale dans ce pays pour leur donner le minimum, l'église ?. Car si je reviens dans 2 semaines je suis sûre qu'il ne seront pas mort !!!
Faites comme bon vous semble , j'ai aussi l'habitude d'aller acheter de la nourriture plutot que donner un billet...
Bon jdois vous laisser vu que j'ai des avoir plus que la moyenne des gens , je me dois d'aller mendier au supermarcher du coin... Pour me moquer de ces pauvres
C'est pas comme si c'etait gratifiant de faire la manche ...
Avez vous deja solliciter l'aide ne serais ce que d'un proche? Alors des inconnus...
S' il , c' est essentiellement pour leur éviter de prendre l' habitude de dépendre d' autrui>, plutôt que de tâcher d' entreprendre quelque chose, etc
Mais, Lemonk, est-ce que tu réalises tout ce que tu as écrit ? tu es sérieux ?
Remercier les forumeurs de ne pas donner à ceux qui crèvent de faim, mais les ignorer ?
Non seulement c' est abject, mais c' est également ridicule
La plupart de tes continuelles interventions sur VF sont très intéressantes, mais il y a aussi des moments , quand on n' a rien de constructif à formuler, où il vaut mieux se taire, tu ne crois pas ?
Arrête de pleurer sur les forums
Les ASSO elles piquent le fric ? Tu as des preuves ?
Tu t'es aperçu que toi tu as fait n'importe quoi (un plus vieux a récupéré le fric pour le donner à sa maffia... vas-y continue
Et tu critiques ceux qui s'organisent pour venir en aide aux plus démunis avec des organisations efficaces et des permanents compétents sérieux le plus souvent bénévoles sinon bien mal payés.
Vas y continue
Les frais généraux engendrés y compris salaires par une asso sont de l'ordre de 10% des dons. Si tu rêves à des actions efficaces il faut aller chercher des gens compétents!
Si tu en cherches aux Philippines tu vas en trouver
Il n'y pas que les cathos, d'ailleurs on voit bien que depuis le temps qu'ils disent que les fidèles doivent être charitables, le monde va de mieux en mieux...
Sinon arrête de pleurer sur les forums
« On parle toujours de la violence du fleuve qui déborde ses berges - jamais de la violence des berges qui enserrent le fleuve... » disait Berthold Brecht
Les ONG qui aident les plus démunis (type Friends au Cambodge) invitent les touristes à ne surtout pas donner d'argent aux enfants des rues.
De la nourriture ? Je ne sais pas ce qu'elles disent sur ce point.
J'imagine qu'il vaut mieux ne rien donner du tout afin de ne pas encourager les parents à mettre leurs enfants sur les trottoirs.
Pour completer sur les effets pervers de donner de l argent a des enfants.
Des parents n enverront plus leur enfant a l ecole. C est plus rentable de lui faire faire la manche.
De plus, comme on n a qu une idee tres fausse des niveaux de vie dans certains pays, on donne a un gamin
Ce que son pere gagne en une journee de dur labeur.
Imagine la honte pour le pere.. et son interrogation..
Ma regle, pour tous les humanistes en herbe, donner a un dispensaire, une association, un instituteir
(Des cahiers, crayons...), mais JAMAIS, directement a un enfant.
Jippe
Pour completer sur les effets pervers de donner de l argent a des enfants.
Des parents n enverront plus leur enfant a l ecole. C est plus rentable de lui faire faire la manche.
De plus, comme on n a qu une idee tres fausse des niveaux de vie dans certains pays, on donne a un gamin
Ce que son pere gagne en une journee de dur labeur.
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c'est certain tout les parents de pauvres sont des gens cupides qui prefereraient priver leurs enfants d'ecole pour un Iphone..
fausser le niveau de vie, putain ce qu'il faut pas lire...
et puis finalement, de temps en temps j'ai envie de dire à des gens comme toi : restez donc sur Facebook ou twitter pour y déverser vos idées toutes faites, vos réponses plates et vos insultes... ne venez pas encombrer ce forum de voyageurs ou l'échange dans le respect des avis, devrait etre la regle..
je voyage depuis 35 ans, et j'ai été confronté depuis longtemps à ce Pb de la mendicité des enfants.
qui es-tu toi, ? pour donner cet avis débile sans prendre la peine de me bien lire ni de comprendre ce que je dis.
allez ne me répond pas, ça n'en vaut pas la peine.
jippe
Je voyage depuis 40 ans et en plus j ai vecu ces pays de l asie du sud et du sud est. Et je peux t assurer que tu est dans l erreur avec tes certitudes et ta morale pas du tout adapte a ces pays. Certes les ong ont une petite place parfois maladroite. Mais toi tu peux donner ces gosses se paieront peut etre le petit plaisir d un petit ice candy ou eviteront de prendre une raclee parce qu il ne ramene pas assez de fric.
Et si c est pour de la colle de toute facon ces gosses ne pourront pas tomber bien plus bas que d ou ils viennent. D ailleurs sais meme tu d ou ils viennent avec ton exelent taux de change
et puis finalement, de temps en temps j'ai envie de dire à des gens comme toi : restez donc sur Facebook ou twitter pour y déverser vos idées toutes faites, vos réponses plates et vos insultes... ne venez pas encombrer ce forum de voyageurs ou l'échange dans le respect des avis, devrait etre la regle..
je voyage depuis 35 ans, et j'ai été confronté depuis longtemps à ce Pb de la mendicité des enfants.
qui es-tu toi, ? pour donner cet avis débile sans prendre la peine de me bien lire ni de comprendre ce que je dis.
allez ne me répond pas, ça n'en vaut pas la peine.
jippe
tu as ete certainement confronter lors de tes grands voyage annuel.
en general avec l'age , on se perd dans ses certitudes et on generalise betement un ensemble de chose bien plus complexe...
evidement qu'il y a des parent/tuteurs malsaint qui profiteraient de cette argent facile.. comme certaines ONG malhonnete
aujourd'hui meme aux news, l'etat de Geneve aurait donner plus de 150milles CHf a une ONG( Alkarama) qui aiderait des terroristes. doit on arreter l'ensemble des dons pour une erreure? ca serait bien triste non?
prendre le risque de donner ne serait ce l'equivalent d'un euros, ca change rien a un budget vacance, mais pour 99% de ces enfants ca leur permettra de manger peux etre un gateau voir soyons fou une glace, mais la plus pars du temps ils le donneront a leur mere pour la nourriture de tout les jours, car ces enfants voient leurs parents se saigner les 4 veines pour subvenir a leurs besoins..
j'ai pas 35ans d'age... mais 10ans d'expatriation en ASE
Tout à fait d'accord !Qu'est-ce que c'est que cette intransigeance occidentale "piédestalisée" qui imposerait le fait de ne rien donner à un enfant pauvre sous aucun prétexte ?
Moi, je donne parfois, tout dépend du lieu et de la situation et c'est ma liberté.
Quand on se permet de dépenser 20, 30, 50 voire plus, d'argent qu'une famille aux Philippines pour y vivre ou s'y pavaner, on ne la ramène pas trop en conseiller-juge de ce qu'il faut faire ou non vis-à-vis des non nantis.
Cette condescendance m'insupporte.
Pendant que les imbéciles sont engoncés dans leurs certitudes, les sages, eux, sont tenaillés par leurs doutes.
Pourquoi il ne faut pas donner aux enfants des rues(et a quiconque)???Tu as toi -
meme repondu a ta question! Harcelements incessants et encouragements a
faire la manche aupres des touristes...Tu remarqueras que le seul endroit ou ces
mendiants sont la, c'est dans le quartier de Ermita-Malate, dans tout le reste de Manille ca n'existe pas...A Makati tu n'en verras pas un seul par ex. alors que c'est pas les touristes qui manquent.Ils sont depuis toujours chasse a coup de pied au cul...Alors ne fait plus jamais la connerie de donner 1 paisa a ces quemandeurs,
car tu emmerderas tous les touristes qui passeront apres toi!😠 Agit comme s'ils
etaient invisibles dorenavant .Merci!
je te suggère de faire un petit jeûne d' un jour ou deux, ne pas manger pour voir un peu comment ça fait d' avoir le ventre vide ....Il est à espérer qu' après cela (bien que ça n' ait rien à voir avec l' état de malnutrition chronique) tu cmprennes un peu mieux ceux que tu oses ignorer dédaigneusement, et de l' empathie à la compassion , voire plus ... j' espère pour toi que tu vas évoluer, car dans l' immédiat tu es mal barré, et tu pues de l' âme
Hi everyone, just this once I’m not posting for a travel story, but to share a thought for Venezuela.
If you didn’t know—since it’s not making headlines—the country was hit by two 7.5-magnitude earthquakes last week. Over 2,200 people have died, more than 50,000 are missing, and some coastal towns have been completely destroyed.
Maybe when the scale of the humanitarian crisis becomes clear, our media will cover it a bit more... especially since earthquakes with this many casualties usually make the front page, but there’s been nothing in France.
So here’s a thought for this country, which, whatever you think of its politics, is a true jewel of South America, both for its landscapes and its people.
hi there
I’d like to invite you to discover my coastal province in central Vietnam: Quang Ngai.
This year, my province has really improved its infrastructure—mountains, countryside, and sea are all authentic here.
No harassers or thieves, and no Russians either.
A local lunch costs around 1 €.
A *** hotel room is about 25 €, and you can find hotels right on My Khe Beach.
We have a specialty: *banh xeo*—10 crepes for just 1.5 €.
You can rent motorbikes to explore the province and maybe visit the many ethnic minorities.
I live here—I’m not selling anything, but I can help if needed (my father-in-law is a traditional Vietnamese doctor and he’s very skilled).
Hi everyone! 😉
I’m Typhaine, 35 years old. Five years ago, I left France for a solo round-the-world trip—no planes, just a van, hitchhiking, cycling, and even a canoe in the Amazon! Today, I work as a naturalist guide in Argentine Patagonia.
Wherever I go, my compass stays the same: observing and photographing wildlife, which I deeply admire and respect.
My project: I’d love to share this experience through a sustainable, authentic, and immersive nature tourism initiative. But to build something meaningful, I need to understand how other nature enthusiasts experience their own adventures.
If you:
Are over 20 years old
Have a true passion for Nature
Have already taken at least one trip lasting more than 3 nights (in your country or abroad) in your life
Promise: I’m not selling anything, this isn’t marketing. Your answers are 100% anonymous and will only help me shape this wild project.
A huge thank you to everyone for your help and kindness! Looking forward to chatting in this thread 😛
(Dear admins, this is purely a collaborative effort for my project study, with no commercial purpose. Thank you so much for your support!)
Photo: Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis), female on the left and her cub on the right. Photo taken by me in Alaska, Denali National Park.
It’s something we often notice in this forum—and many others—this behavioral shift.
A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question.
They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕
Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.).
Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did.
I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights
Sidemen (2 nights)
Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights
Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed
Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran
Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights
Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD:
- Walk around central Ubud (1–2h)
- Campuhan Ridge Walk
- Tegalalang Rice Terrace
- Tirta Empul
- Gunung Kawi
- Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN:
- Rice terrace hike (2–3h)
- Cooking class
IN AMED:
- Snorkeling
- Japanese Shipwreck
- Beach + relaxation
- Volcano sunset
ON GILI:
- Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK:
- Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall
- Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level)
- Ulun Danu Bratan Temple
- Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN
- Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well:
👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option
12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM)
1 PM: ferry
3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer
11 PM: start ascent
2 AM–6 AM: volcano
Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM)
👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency
💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR:
- Relaxation
- Quiet beach
- Proximity to airport (30 min)"
I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays
where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya).
There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see:
Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees.
We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain.
But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore.
A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night
Coron – 4 nights
Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights
El Nido – 4 nights
Port Barton – 5 nights
Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan
Vigan – 2 nights
Sagada – 2 nights
Banaue – 2 nights
Bagabag – 1 night
Manila – 1 night
I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages.
3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer.
Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness.
My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place.
On the main routes, we visited:
San José
Alajuela
Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side)
Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side)
And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched.
He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown.
What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor.
At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José:
It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken.
On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox.
From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire.
Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets.
Bars with security guards out front.
I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel.
The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses.
The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in.
A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park.
Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further.
We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it.
A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces.
A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures.
But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business.
Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse!
According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable.
Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos.
A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park!
A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park.
The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color.
Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded!
Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30.
The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches.
As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves.
A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!"
For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex!
The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for?
For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places.
In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs:
Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you.
For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example.
For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk.
The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border.
The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times.
Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot).
For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border.
You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes.
From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??).
With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!!
For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations.
However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards.
Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future.
After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think:
1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport),
1 night in Garda,
1 night in Verona,
1 in Padua, and
3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year.
I told her:
“Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.”
“But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.”
I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk.
“Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.”
I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen.
“Mamido, I did it!”
My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no!
“Congratulations, sweetheart!”
A little shyly, she said:
“Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying:
“Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint!
But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out.
Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me.
But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back.
My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special?
That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like!
M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now.
The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions.
I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid?
Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again?
Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with?
Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now?
What’s really going on here?
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
Hi there, I’ve been traveling for 18 years now, at least 6 months a year, and as the years go by, I actually enjoy coming back to France more and more—a feeling I struggled with at first. I mean, we always think the grass is greener elsewhere.
But in the end, I find meaning in that saying about how there’s no place like home. I still love traveling just as much, but now my trips are shorter, and I enjoy spending more time in our beautiful country, even though I don’t hesitate to criticize it.
How about you? How do you handle coming back from your travels?
A few years ago, I went with a group of friends to lend a hand at a small rural school near Thiès, Senegal.
It was a relaxed but hardworking atmosphere—hands in the mortar, laughter, exchanges, and everything that a COOPERATION project can bring.
Today, the little project is flying on its own.
Wanting to explore Senegal’s riches, we set off for some tourism in the Siné Saloum. One girl in our group fell ill (a malaria attack), and we decided to take her to see a doctor at a large tourist complex nearby. Despite her condition, we had to "show our credentials" (if I may say so) just to get in. She was treated and has been fine since.
This "stop" at a Club Med-style resort with a Teutonic twist—resembling Le Grau-du-Roi but fancier—was a horror show for us: pools, massive artificial basins dyed blue, pink, or green (!!!!), animators shouting around wet T-shirt contests or coconut tree climbing, and sunburned (or sun-pinked) *toubabs*.
The entire hotel was surrounded by a huge wall, behind which a small souvenir-seller slum had sprung up, worthy of Dakar’s outer neighborhoods.
On leaving, we saw a minibus of guests returning from an "excursion," loaded with masks, fabrics, and djembés—African souvenirs?
Maybe those will be *theirs*?
What impression did the kids clustered at the hotel gates get?
What about the Black servers in "traditional African costumes," serving cocktails and ice cream nonstop?
For me, who experienced Africa very young and in the bush, this remains a haunting image.
On VF, this kind of vacation doesn’t seem to be the norm among users, and that’s exactly why I signed up.
Have you ever experienced this kind of interstellar travel?
Do you understand the Martians?
Are their motivations peaceful?
I’ve been wondering: Is it still reasonable to rent a car in the U.S.?
Apparently, since early January 2025—and very quietly—the most important insurance coverage, namely the driver’s civil liability, has seen its coverage amount drop from $1 million to just $300,000. This coverage is supposed to protect us from damages we might be responsible for while driving. We can go decades without a single scrape (especially if it’s our fault), but anything can happen in a split second. A motorcycle appearing out of nowhere, a misjudgment at one of those huge intersections with staggered traffic lights, and suddenly we could be deemed at fault for the accident. We’d then have to pay out of pocket for the other party’s medical expenses. Given what hospitals charge... it can easily exceed $300,000 and turn into a nightmare in no time!!! Plus, anyone who’s driven on American roads has seen those billboards for lawyers offering their services to accident victims. So on top of the sky-high medical bill, the lawyer will demand compensation worthy of a Hollywood movie!!!! So, is it even worth getting behind the wheel in America anymore? Well... that’s just my take! And on top of that, I haven’t found any insurance company that offers such high civil liability coverage. Chapka and others do offer coverage in the millions, but motor vehicles are excluded.... So here’s the thing... Unless I’ve "missed something," I’ve come to this conclusion: Renting a car in the U.S. is like playing Russian roulette! But maybe I’m being too pessimistic? What do you think?
My two bullfighting traditions when I'm back home in Camargue (France) and in Colombia (Caribbean) every time I return. 🤠
Details:
Bullfights (corridas) aren’t part of my two bullfighting traditions, but I respect those who attend them!!!
In these two ancestral bullfighting traditions—which aren’t bullfights—the Bulls and Toros aren’t killed or tortured, as some might think.
These are bull games where the animals return to their pastures afterward and only come back to the Arenas 2–3 times a year at most.
They spend 15 minutes in the ring for the Camarguais and 5 minutes for the Toros in the Colombian Corralejas.
They’re cared for and pampered. They’ll die of old age in miles of open fields.
The young people who face them are professionals, risking their lives to support their families and live their Passion for the Toro!!! 😄
https://youtu.be/yYKQer42HoQ
Colombian Corraleja in the link below (hope it works) 🤪
https://fb.watch/BMfmuCgQpG/