What’s your definition of a nature destination?
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Hi,

I’m starting this thread after a digression that began in the India section and continued in a travel journal about Kerala.

The original topic was whether India is—or isn’t—a nature destination.

I’ll let you all discuss and share your own definition of a nature destination. 🙂
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MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
Hmm, I just love these discussions where we’ll go in circles for 50 topics! 😉

Because, in my opinion, you can’t categorize a destination into one box or another! Why do we always have to put things in boxes, anyway? Everyone will find what they’re looking for in their travels—or discover what they come across…

Two examples: - My Haute-Savoie: A nature destination? Spend eight days in downtown Annecy or in our neighbor Geneva, and you won’t see the tail of a marmot… - Australia (where I’m lucky enough to be right now). What do Sydney, Melbourne, and the Uluru bush have in common? To find out, there’ll be a travel journal 😉

That was my two cents for this discussion. Have a great day, everyone!
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HE Herodotos Regular ·
Hmm, I love these discussions where we’ll go in circles for 50 topics!

This is a philosophical topic! 😏
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HE Herodotos Regular ·
Wouldn’t India count as a nature destination?

And this?
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
This doesn’t directly answer the question, but it might open up some ideas...

First, to clear the brush—I had no idea what a "Nature destination" could be, so I asked our friend Google two questions: Which country has the most beautiful nature? What are the top nature destinations? The country that comes out on top isn’t India or a country in Southern Africa, but... Costa Rica!

In recent years, Costa Rica has established itself as the ultimate nature destination

https://www.leprogres.fr/magazine-tourisme-et-patrimoine/2024/06/17/nature-sauvage-les-plus-belles-destinations-dans-le-monde

The Top 7 nature destinations: Costa Rica still leads the list, followed by Iceland, but Southern African countries are starting to make their mark: https://voyageur-attitude.fr/top-7-des-destinations-nature/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Maybe when we talk about a nature destination, we shouldn’t focus too much on ecology?
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MO Montagnard74 Globetrotter ·
Costa Rica as the #1 nature destination? Awesome, I spent a month there in 2022—I can tell you all about it! Or not, since it’s part of my upcoming travel journals… 😉

Or just this one, to tide you over 😛

"Le véritable voyage de découverte ne consiste pas à chercher de nouveaux paysages, mais à avoir de nouveaux yeux." Marcel Proust
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Hi, In the deleted post, it was about bad students when it comes to ecology, pesticides, etc. I went to Costa Rica, and that country didn’t leave me with memorable memories... However, I must admit that compared to all the other Central American countries, Costa Rica seems to me like a good student in terms of protecting "natural spaces" and biodiversity, even if its agriculture isn’t exemplary. Putting nature under a glass dome probably has some positive effects.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
because to my mind, you can’t categorize a destination into one box or another

Sure, but if someone asks you about Namibia, like "Can I party in nightclubs every night?", what would you say?

Personally, I’d say it’s not a destination for partying but one for vast natural spaces, and I’d recommend Amsterdam, Paris, or Ibiza in the summer instead...

That said, I agree that the idea of a nature destination varies a lot from one person to another.

For some ultra-urban folks used to crowds and noise, the summit of Puy de Dôme is a grand natural space.

For me, a natural space is one reserved for nature—a place where human impact is as minimal as possible, ideally explored without a driver or guide to fully appreciate its "wildness."

A place where man-made noises don’t exist, where buildings are nearly nonexistent. A place where the Milky Way can be seen without any light pollution, a space spanning dozens of kilometers...

A deserted island...

In short, more of a spot in a country where population density is generally (but not always) under 10 inhabitants per square kilometer... And somewhere not too touristy...

Messum Crater, Baines Baobabs, Tankwa Karoo, the Richtersveld, KTP, some parts of the Altiplano, some corners of the Pantanal...

The opposite of a natural space, for me, is the Tour du Mont Blanc, the Blue Eye in Albania, wildlife parks in India (the ones I’ve visited), maybe even Everest’s summit in season...

I get the feeling that Australia might fit my definition in some regions?
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
And this

I’ve pretty much seen all the wonders featured in this travel journal.

None of them match my own definition of a nature destination... Especially not Nagarhole (barely 400 km²).

This park is better than Sasan Gir, but it doesn’t compare to any of the parks I’ve visited in Southern Africa.

I had a pleasant time there—the guide was nice, and the bungalow was comfortable, though it could’ve been improved.

That said, this visit helped me realize I shouldn’t expect much from Indian parks and that it wasn’t worth spending thousands of rupees on them. Especially since this park is rather off the beaten path. I can’t even imagine what the more popular ones are like.

In short, it’s worth stopping by if the price is reasonable, but don’t expect the same sensations you’d get in Southern Africa if you’re used to that kind of destination (especially self-drive).

(It’s all about the overall experience—not just animal density.)

(The experience might be slightly more rewarding with a self-drive rental car instead of a driver.)

That said, I haven’t seen all of India.

Some parts of the country are less suited to human settlement, so they’re probably more to my taste for a nature-focused trip than the areas I’ve already visited.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Costa Rica – the #1 nature destination?

Google sees Costa Rica as a nature destination.

At the very least, we can say the country’s tourism board is doing a great job building its reputation....

Whether it’s truly a nature destination or not by my standards, I don’t know—I’ve never been.

I’m still a little skeptical...

Will your travel journal change the biases I have about this country? 😉

(I’m still skeptical after reading what you wrote in another thread about Costa Rica...)

(Since you were the first to post a photo, Costa Rica will be the focus of this thread. Lesson learned—no more rushing to create topics! 😐🙂 )
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SO Solene40 Globetrotter ·
Wow, you really hit the jackpot that day with Michel the tiger! The photos are amazing 🤩 and that moment must’ve been truly magical!

Of course, for African safari specialists, Indian national parks might pale in comparison, but they’re perfect for people like me—happy with little and easily amazed by the smallest things 😊 (my only limit is not wanting too many humans around in those moments!).

But honestly, comparing Indian and African "natural spaces" makes about as much sense as comparing the Atlantic to the Mediterranean… doesn’t stop us from loving both, though! 😊

Have a great evening
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
So, for you (like for Michel, apparently?), India is a nature destination?

What’s your definition of a nature destination?

(It’s not about comparing or ranking, just sharing your own definition of a natural space—like I did a few messages back. The rest is just a digression after Michel asked about my perception of a region in India, which didn’t match my own definition. My take must not have been clear enough since he thought Nagarhole might work for me as a natural space.)

Anyway, if someone asked you to name a few nature destinations, which ones would come to mind and why?🙂
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SO Solene40 Globetrotter ·
I’m mostly in Bruno’s and Agnès’s club 😄: why try to categorize everything?

I’ve got a simple mindset—I visit countries where there are cities AND nature, and definitely, everywhere and more and more, I enjoy what I call "rurality," which for me is the space between cities and wide-open landscapes.

But I definitely don’t think of India first if someone mentions a nature destination... except for the Andaman Islands with their stunning primary forests 😄.

And I’d struggle to name "nature destinations"! Regions or areas, sure, but entire countries? No, because human footprint is everywhere. At least from what I’ve seen in my life.

The only places left are the North and South Poles. Maybe the only truly "nature" spots on the planet 😊.

Christelle
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Phew, someone finally has an even stricter definition than me!😛

No human footprint at all for you, then.

(I think there are scientific stations in Antarctica, so that wouldn’t cut it by your standards.)
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
For me, a natural space is a space reserved for nature, a place where the human footprint is as minimal as possible, a place that’s ideally explored without a driver or guide to better appreciate its "inhumanity."

Sure, but what about those well-secured, developed, regulated, and paid-for spaces? Places where no one lives because the locals were pushed out to make way for tourist "activities" and "safaris"? That’s the reality today in Tanzania and Kenya, and it used to be the case in South Africa (Kruger Park), though no one talks about it anymore—just like in the U.S., where Indigenous peoples are confined to "reserves" that often aren’t even their ancestral lands. They protect wildlife purely for tourism, at the expense of humans...

In my view, nature destinations are wild areas (untouched by humans) of two types: Those that are home to Indigenous populations, more or less integrated into the modern world, where you can find shelter or camp near villages—and others that are almost completely uninhabited, requiring serious planning to cross (transporting gear and food for days or weeks, and needing to camp along the way). A *real* nature destination is wild and has to be earned—not just by paying an entrance fee. It’s not developed in any way. No comfortable or even luxurious accommodations, no man-made hides for photographing animals at watering holes. No rule forcing you to stay in your "camp" by 6 PM or face a fine. No tourist-friendly roads packed with vehicles lined up to spot a lion hiding in the bushes... etc., etc. You enter at your own risk, on foot, with nothing but camping as an option.

A few nature destinations outside parks (if they exist in these regions)—this list is far from exhaustive: The vast Siberian expanses, Kamchatka, the Mongolian steppes, much of the Himalayas (northern Pakistan, Spiti, Zanskar, Dolpo, Mustang, Sikkim), the northern Canadian Rockies and Alaska (excluding developed and regulated parks), the Colombian, Venezuelan, Guyanese, Brazilian, Peruvian, Ecuadorian, and Bolivian Amazon, the Venezuelan Gran Sabana, parts of Argentine Patagonia (outside tourist parks), large areas of the Sahara (Tanezrouft, Ténéré, Tibesti, etc.), the Australian deserts, Papua New Guinea, Irian Jaya, the equatorial forests of the Congo, the Central African Republic, Cameroon... and other African countries.

I’m leaving out many other regions where access is restricted due to political bans or regulations, like the mountains and deserts of China (Xinjiang, Taklamakan, Tibet, etc.).
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NI Nimou74 Veteran ·
I’ll let you all discuss and share your definition of a nature destination. 🙂

And you’ve got 3 hours... 😉

Nature travel or travel *in* nature? I pretty much agree with what’s been said above. For me, a "nature" trip is one where you discover places in their raw state—where nothing has been developed by humans for humans, which is getting rarer and rarer. (I was hoping to find that kind of place in Kamchatka, but our trip got canceled for reasons we all know...) Of course, we usually enjoy these kinds of places on foot, during multi-day or even multi-week treks. No comfort in this kind of activity. You live "naturally," you think "naturally"... Unless you’re a die-hard fan of that lifestyle, you can also enjoy nature and do a trek in slightly more developed areas. I’m thinking, for example, of many treks in Nepal. For me, a trek is the ultimate nature destination. Exploring remote trails in a 4x4 with full autonomy, like in the Australian Outback, is also a nature destination—within certain limits. Nature destinations often go hand in hand with adventure and leaving behind everyday comforts
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
I wanted to add a few more details to what I wrote earlier, and I’m taking your message—which echoes ideas I really agree with—as an opportunity to expand on my answer.

A “nature destination” isn’t necessarily the size of an entire country. It’s all relative… From space, the Sahara is just a big sandbox. The scale of a “nature destination” or, in other words, a “natural space,” also depends on how quickly you can move through it. When traveling on foot, covering 50 km through rugged mountain terrain can take several days of hiking (often without seeing anyone if you stray from the routes described in guidebooks), and you’re still completely immersed in nature… Yet you can drive through that same region in less than an hour and end up… in a city! That’s why I consider certain regions of France to be “nature destinations.” I’ll only mention the ones I know best: the High Jura, Vanoise, the Vercors where I live, the Écrins, the Causses, the Cévennes, part of the Basque Country, and Corsica when you cross it from east to west along the ridges (for example). It’s a bit less true north-south because of how busy the famous GR20 is.

A nature destination isn’t necessarily a place where you’re guaranteed to see lots of animals… Almost every time I hike in the Vercors, I come across ibex… but that’s not why I go; I just love being surprised by their presence.

What I’m really looking for in a “nature destination” is a space of freedom. Freedom I don’t find in a car or even in a plane (I’m a private pilot but don’t fly anymore), where everything is even more regulated than on land… I admire sailors, though, who see the sea as the last true space of freedom—but that’s not my world (too bad). I’m a landlubber. I’ve noticed that in France, everything is becoming more and more regulated… Bans everywhere. The slightest rockslide in the mountains, and *bam*—the local mayor or prefect issues a decree banning a “dangerous” trail. And then there are the pointless “improvements”… Concrete or metal platforms popping up everywhere—they call them *belvédères*! There are plenty of nature destinations in Europe—I’ve been discovering them over the past few years: Bulgaria: Rila, Stara Planina, Pirin, Rhodopes Romania: Carpathians, Apuseni, Bucegi Albania: Dinaric Alps. No developments, no bans, no entry “tickets”! But sometimes access is tricky—you can’t get everywhere in a 4x4!

Exploring remote tracks in a 4X4 with full autonomy, like in the Australian Outback, can also be a nature destination, to a certain extent.

Yes, if everything has stayed as wild as it was before tourism developed in those regions. So no road or track construction for tourists, no concrete parking lots, no luxury lodges or hotels, no tolls to enjoy an UNTOUCHED nature… no site developments with marked trails, enclosed camps, walkways, safety barriers, fences, barbed wire, and so on…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
PO Poste42 Veteran ·
For me, a nature destination is first and foremost a place—or places—where animals live in the wild. There’s nothing more beautiful than seeing a wild animal free in nature. The two go hand in hand. The birds make the Brière sublime; it’s a nature destination despite the roads around it. The Camargue is the same. In France, we’re never far from the noise of human activity—quad bikes, helicopters, etc.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
This trip might be right up your alley? 😉

It’s a bit too physical for me...
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
In France, we’re never far from some noise linked to human activity—like quads, helicopters, etc.

I think it’s easier outside of peak season.

I went to the upper Clarée Valley in early May. The snow was still thick, and we hiked up to the Drayères refuge. There was no one around—no people, no noise! Everything was closed, and the horizon was completely white.

I felt like I was at the end of the world! 😛

The road leading to the start of the hikes is closed in summer to regulate traffic. The magic must be broken during that season.

(Same experience at the Col de l’Izoard—road closed due to snow, so a total sense of isolation up there, even though it’s packed in July-August)
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HE Herodotos Regular ·
Hi Anne-Claire,

And you’ve got 3 hours...😉

Well, I’m handing in a blank paper. I’ve got no definition for a “nature destination,” and frankly, I couldn’t care less.

I vaguely get that it’s about surface area (what’s the threshold in km²???). After all, my garden might just be a nature destination since it has plenty of visitors—feathered ones and even furry ones, like that squirrel who comes by to say hi every morning.

Oh well, the teacher’s gonna give me a zero! 😛
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PO Poste42 Veteran ·
And yes, if you're lucky enough to spot a squirrel in your garden, that counts as a nature destination. No need to go far at all.
PO Poste42 Veteran ·
The mountain isn’t as quiet as you’d think in winter—there’s the sound of skiers’ skis and cars.
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Yeah, places with resorts. But places with nothing...😛
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HE Herodotos Regular ·
Wow, how did you guys hit the jackpot that day with Michel the tiger? The photos are amazing 🤩 and that moment must’ve been truly magical!

Well, you know, when I posted this sequence on VF before the big upheaval we all know about, it actually earned me some teasing from a few members...

Beyond that, it’s clear that for African safari specialists, India’s national parks pale in comparison

That’s true, and it also applies to Sri Lanka, which oversells its parks. I’ve also visited the parks in Assam that protect the one-horned rhinoceros, an endemic species. But after going to Kenya several times—and occasionally Tanzania and Namibia—the Asian parks just don’t measure up to those in East and Southern Africa.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
No one’s gonna give you a zero.

It’s just about sharing your definition of a nature destination.

There’s no right or wrong answer.

Just opinions (with a few explanations and examples).

If you don’t have an opinion, saying "I don’t have an opinion" is a perfectly good answer too...😉
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HE Herodotos Regular ·
I went to the upper Clarée valley in early May. There was still plenty of snow, and we hiked up to the Drayères refuge. There wasn’t a soul around—no one, not a sound! Everything was closed, and everything was white on the horizon.

Well, I’d rather not be alone in those conditions...
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
And you’re totally entitled to that.

For me, it’s the opposite. There’s something for every taste! 😛
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HE Herodotos Regular ·
It’s not a matter of rights or taste—it’s a matter of safety in the mountains.
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
No restrictions are indicated on the trails we took. And these trails are used all winter for snowshoeing (without a high-mountain guide...)

Besides, this isn’t about pushing limits—it’s super basic. Except for 10 centimeters of snow...

Oh, and when I say "alone," I mean as a couple.

It’s true that hiking solo—even easy hikes, even in good conditions, even in summer, even on a paved trail—can turn fatal. A heart attack, a fall, and things can go south fast if there’s no one around to help.

But hey, at that point, you might as well not do anything...

(I can start a discussion on hiking dangers and mountain risks if you’d like?)
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NI Nimou74 Veteran ·
This trip might be right up your alley? 😉

It’s a bit too physical for me...

Uh... A bit too cold for me, but who knows, maybe one day?? This year, we’re heading back to China. It’s a nature destination in the sense that we’ll be visiting provinces where natural landscapes dominate (desert, peaks, etc.), but it’ll be nature Chinese-style most of the time—think viewing platforms and all that... 😉
AT Attila Globetrotter ·
(It’s Costa Rica that’ll top this thread since you were the first to post a photo.... Lesson learned—I shouldn’t rush my posts so much!AngryDoubtfulSmile)

Alright, your photo, Bruno, was vertical. That’s not the most effective format.

The algorithm dethroned it for the first horizontal photo posted.

So here’s a squirrel as the banner for this discussion !
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NI Nimou74 Veteran ·
Hi Michel,

What a little gem! My naughty cat makes life tough for them, so they’re getting rarer around my place 🌿
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
Well, I’d rather not be alone in those conditions...

I get you—it’s at least 3 km and 150 m of elevation gain from the parking lot above Névache ;)
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
so it’ll mostly be nature Chinese-style with platforms and such...

I’d be curious to see what that looks like!

Uh... A bit too cold for me, but who knows, maybe one day??

When it comes to freezing, I’d love to treat myself to this someday. The trip of a lifetime?

(Okay, it doesn’t *fully* match my ideal definition of a wide-open natural space since there’ll be quite a few people on the boat, but sometimes you’ve gotta make compromises!)
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DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
(I can start a discussion about the dangers of hiking and those of the mountains if you want?)

Oh yeah, that’d be fun
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NI Nimou74 Veteran ·
For the icy kind, I’d love to treat myself to this someday. The trip of a lifetime?

Oh, I admit it—...
HE Herodotos Regular ·
Well, have fun! Enjoy yourselves! 😛 😎
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
No one’s gonna give you a zero.

No chance of that—he’s the one grading! 😛
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
And do you have one? 😇

So, Thailand—would you say it’s a nature destination or not?
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HE Herodotos Regular ·
If it’s about wide-open spaces, then Russia could definitely fit the definition.
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JO Jojoone1 Globetrotter ·
And you, do you have one?

So, Thailand—would you say it’s a nature destination or not?

Oh, you know me, naturism isn’t really my thing...
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VO Voyajou Globetrotter ·
Some people ask their virtual friend, but I consulted my old Monegasque aunt. For her, without hesitation, the nature destination is the Jardin Exotique de Monaco. She points out that this country—the most densely populated in the world—has 20% of its area dedicated to parks and gardens.

As for my grandson, a three-year-old adventurer raised in the city center, his answer is clear-cut: Nature & Découvertes.

Goes to show, everyone has their own idea of nature... and culture.
HE Herodotos Regular ·
Ah, I forgot to mention that I was talking about the vast spaces offered by the halls of Saint Petersburg’s major museums. In this case, the Russian Museum, where this large landscape by Ivan Shishkin—a Russian painter from the Realist Wanderers movement—is displayed.

So this gallery is definitely a "nature" destination. Oh wait, oops—I didn’t notice at first, but you can still spot two human figures—including a hunter—in two of the paintings! 😛
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Siberia—3 people per square kilometer. And a few tigers! 🐯
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
We got your aunt’s definition and your grandson’s. Now we’re just missing yours...😇 (This thread is like a real game of Seven Families!)
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Nudism on a deserted island (equatorial, not polar, of course!)—now that’s a discussion worth having...
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AT Attila Globetrotter ·
Would a nature destination be a dead nature destination?

A little post-apocalyptic, but why not?
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HE Herodotos Regular ·
Still life?

I don’t see any fruit bowls, vases of flowers, game, skulls, musical instruments, glasses of wine, jugs, or other household objects in these landscapes... Guess we’ll have to open another thread! 😄
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