Randonnée dans la cordillère royale (Bolivie)
by Papado
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonjour! quelqun pourrait il me donner des précisions sur le trek des lagunes dans la cordillère royale? je cherche un ptit trek sympa sans ascension et plutot en montagne; est ce de la haute montagne? faut il piolet corde, etc... quelle agence me conseillez vous etc...je pars le 1 aout pour lima
; merci pour vos réponses et bon voyage à tous ceux qui partent!
Le trek des lagunes ? Cela ne me dit rien. Je viens de repondre a une autre question sur le meme sujet dans ce forum.
J'ai fait une rando depuis le camp de base du Condoriri ensuite jusqu'au camp de base du Huayna Potosi, tout seul. J'ai juste paye le taxi depuis la Paz vers le Condoriri. Pour les 'Lagunillas' il faudrait que je regarde sur la carte. Mais les randos sont assez faciles dans ce coin.
😄 Nous arrivons de Bolivie et nous avons, entre autre trekké durant 4 jours (avec l'agence Alaya) autour du Condoriri et du Huyana Potosi. Pas de difficultés techniques importantes. Paysages fabuleux. Présence de Lamas et Alpacas en quantité(nous marchions dans les troupeaux). Prévoir acclimatation car cols à 5200m. Maté de coca très efficace. Camping sur bords de lagune en 2 occasions. Avions un guide et un muletier pour 2 personnes. Nourriture adéquate mais ca refroidit très vite à cette hauteur. Prévoir vêtement très chauds....Robert et Hélène
😐Je ne peux dire le prix car c'était inclus dans un tout compris de 22 jrs intitulé "Treks sur les chemins des Andes". de l'agence Alaya. Je crois qu'ils offrent ce trek séparément.. Si votre budget est serré, rendez-vous à La Paz sur la rue Sagarnaga. Il y a de très nombreuses agences et il y a probablement moyen de marchander. Nous avons rencontré des routards qui portaient tout leur bagage (Pas de mules). Ils sont arrivés 4 hres plus tard que nous et ils semblaient épuisés. C'est quand même dur. Le lendemain ils ont loué des ânes. Rien n'est cher en Bolivie et les gens ont besoin de vos sous.
je suis tout à fait d'accord avec toi; mais je préfère mettre de l'argent pour le muletier et donner directement aux boliviens plutot que passer par des agences; en me renseignant en france terra andina demande 355 euros par pers! et ensuite ça m'ennuie un peu de faire porter mes affaires par quelqun d'autre...mais bon je sais avec l'expérience des voyages combien les échanges peuvent être riches et combien notre argent peut leur être utile. merci encore pour tes infos
🙂Je viens de vérifier au site d'Alaya et ils demandent 280 US pour le trek "Lagunes du Condoriri" (4 jours). L'agence est dirigée par un Francais qui demeure à La Paz(Cedric). Terra Andina sous-contractent et doivent demander d'avantage je crois. Alaya est une des agences importantes de La Paz. Plusieurs petites agences locales demandent probablement moins. Il faut cependant etre prudent.
Trek dans la cordillere royale, Sorata :
Trek a la laguna chillata et laguna glacial au depart de sorata.
Ces treks peuvent se faire seul mais ca monte sec ! Quasiement 2300 metres de denivele en 2 jours !
Sinon, un guide sympa et efficace : Felix Chino organise tout depuis Sorata. Accompagne pour la transcordillere, pour les lagunes, le condoriri, le tour de l'illampu, la cordillere apolobamba etc...
Tel : (0)7353880 a Sorata. Il peut s'occuper de tout si vous n'avez pas de matos.
Son frere, Roberto, un vrai campesino, d'une gentillesse, d'une douceur et d'une humilite exceptionnelle, peut accompagner avec ses mules.
Roberto peut aussi vous proposer de loger chez lui la premiere nuit du trek, en pleine montagne... la vraie vie traditionnelle des paysans Aymaras. Pour le contacter, passer par Felix le guide car Roberto n'a pas de telephone, evidemment !
Sur ce lien un petit texte sur Roberto : http://itinerance-andine.com/roberto0.php Et ici, des photos du trek de la laguna glacial : http://itinerance-andine.com/gallery/lagunaglacial.php
Sur ce lien un petit texte sur Roberto : http://itinerance-andine.com/roberto0.php Et ici, des photos du trek de la laguna glacial : http://itinerance-andine.com/gallery/lagunaglacial.php
Deviens ce que tu es
Hola les amis! 🙂
Je me permet de revenir vers vous concernant Felix Chino et Roberto. Avec mon ami, nous avons l'intention de faire le trek pour la Laguna Chillata (et peut etre laguna glacial) C est avec plaisir que nous les contacterons surement (on sera dans la region vers le mois d'aout je pense) Par contre j'aimerai bcp avoir une idée du budget pour ce trek. Je n'en ai aucune idée et n'ai pas trouvé l'info dans le lonely planet (en sachant que l'on a pas de matériel de camping) Autre question : Ca donne quoi 2300 metres de denivele en 2 jours? En sachant qu'on aime bien la rando mais qu on est pas des experts et grand sportifs non plus. Le niveau est vraiment difficil ou ca se fait plutot bien si on est en bonne condition?
Un grand Merci d'avance!! 😄
PS: J'ai été jeter un oeil sur votre site! Chapeau, il est excellent! Et j'ai été particulièrement touchée par les quelques lignes sur Roberto!
J'espere a bientot!
Aurelie😉
Je me permet de revenir vers vous concernant Felix Chino et Roberto. Avec mon ami, nous avons l'intention de faire le trek pour la Laguna Chillata (et peut etre laguna glacial) C est avec plaisir que nous les contacterons surement (on sera dans la region vers le mois d'aout je pense) Par contre j'aimerai bcp avoir une idée du budget pour ce trek. Je n'en ai aucune idée et n'ai pas trouvé l'info dans le lonely planet (en sachant que l'on a pas de matériel de camping) Autre question : Ca donne quoi 2300 metres de denivele en 2 jours? En sachant qu'on aime bien la rando mais qu on est pas des experts et grand sportifs non plus. Le niveau est vraiment difficil ou ca se fait plutot bien si on est en bonne condition?
Un grand Merci d'avance!! 😄
PS: J'ai été jeter un oeil sur votre site! Chapeau, il est excellent! Et j'ai été particulièrement touchée par les quelques lignes sur Roberto!
J'espere a bientot!
Aurelie😉
Hola Aurélie,
Alors pour le trek de chilata, tu peux passer par la casa des guides à Sorata, cela se négociait autour des 650 bols (Bouffe + matos) par contre ce trek n'est pas génial car tu passes les 2 nuits à la laguna Chilata et tu fais l'aller-retour à la laguna glacial lors de la journée n°2. Le plus intéressant est de pouvoir dormir a la glacial car la vue est splendide avec coucher de soleil sur le titicaca, de plus la montée jusqu'à chilata est éprouvante et les paysages sans trop d'intérêt..mais bon tout cela peut se moduler, il faut voir avec les guides... Pour le trek que l'on a fait avec Felix et Roberto, il a fallu compter environ 1500 bols pour le portage avec 2 mules + bouffe, l'avantage c'était de faire une boucle et surtout de dormir au pied de l'illampu à côté de la laguna glaciale. Pour le prix du matos on ne peut pas trop t'aider mais juste te dire que tout se négocie en Bolivie... Pour contacter Felix, il semblerait que son numéro ne soit plus le même, il faut demander à Altaï Oasis, c'est un hotel qui bosse avec lui, voici leur email: resaltai@hotmail.com
Concernant le dénivelé, c'est certain qu'il faut un minimum de condition mais ça passe bien avec des porteurs même si la descente sur Sorata le dernier jour peut être un peu longue, par contre pour le trek de chilata il faut porter son sac et là c'est différent !!!
Voilà en espérant t'avoir un peu mieux renseigné.
Merci pour le compliment sur notre site, ca fait plaisir.
A+
Sam&Delphine
Alors pour le trek de chilata, tu peux passer par la casa des guides à Sorata, cela se négociait autour des 650 bols (Bouffe + matos) par contre ce trek n'est pas génial car tu passes les 2 nuits à la laguna Chilata et tu fais l'aller-retour à la laguna glacial lors de la journée n°2. Le plus intéressant est de pouvoir dormir a la glacial car la vue est splendide avec coucher de soleil sur le titicaca, de plus la montée jusqu'à chilata est éprouvante et les paysages sans trop d'intérêt..mais bon tout cela peut se moduler, il faut voir avec les guides... Pour le trek que l'on a fait avec Felix et Roberto, il a fallu compter environ 1500 bols pour le portage avec 2 mules + bouffe, l'avantage c'était de faire une boucle et surtout de dormir au pied de l'illampu à côté de la laguna glaciale. Pour le prix du matos on ne peut pas trop t'aider mais juste te dire que tout se négocie en Bolivie... Pour contacter Felix, il semblerait que son numéro ne soit plus le même, il faut demander à Altaï Oasis, c'est un hotel qui bosse avec lui, voici leur email: resaltai@hotmail.com
Concernant le dénivelé, c'est certain qu'il faut un minimum de condition mais ça passe bien avec des porteurs même si la descente sur Sorata le dernier jour peut être un peu longue, par contre pour le trek de chilata il faut porter son sac et là c'est différent !!!
Voilà en espérant t'avoir un peu mieux renseigné.
Merci pour le compliment sur notre site, ca fait plaisir.
A+
Sam&Delphine
Deviens ce que tu es
Bonjour,
je viens de faire la rando de la laguna glacial avec 2 amis et Felix Chino pour Guide.
Ca s'est très bien passé, on a finalement dormi à 4900 m sous le glacier de l'Illampu près du lac glaciaire avec un superbe panorama sur la cordillère et le lac Titicaca. Et le second jour nous avons pique niqué au lac Chillata.
Félix a son site web : http://trekkingsorata.webnode.com.uy/
Il fait parti de l'association des guides de Sorata, et travaille également en indépendant.
Son téléphone est le +591 73538806
Mail : felixsorata@gmail.com
N'hésitez pas à le contacter si vous passez dans le coin.
Nicolas
je viens de faire la rando de la laguna glacial avec 2 amis et Felix Chino pour Guide.
Ca s'est très bien passé, on a finalement dormi à 4900 m sous le glacier de l'Illampu près du lac glaciaire avec un superbe panorama sur la cordillère et le lac Titicaca. Et le second jour nous avons pique niqué au lac Chillata.
Félix a son site web : http://trekkingsorata.webnode.com.uy/
Il fait parti de l'association des guides de Sorata, et travaille également en indépendant.
Son téléphone est le +591 73538806
Mail : felixsorata@gmail.com
N'hésitez pas à le contacter si vous passez dans le coin.
Nicolas
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I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
I’m planning a trip around Cap Corse and the AGRIATES in 2026, from May 8th to 15th (there are still 2 spots left, by the way! Just DM me if you're interested).
I’d love to know which hikes are worth prioritizing in the AGRIATES. We’ll be staying in SALECCIA for two days as our base—what should we focus on from there? A round trip to IGNHU beach? Any other suggestions? For Ostricano, I think it’s too far for a round trip... Thanks for your tips! Have a great day, Anie, Toulouse
Hi,
I’d like some advice on doing the Camino de Santiago—or part of it—from the Basque Country.
Best,
Hi there,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
I’d like to get some info about the GR10 Pyrenees traverse. I need help planning the daily stages and accommodations—my wife isn’t an experienced hiker but walks a lot, so I’d like to schedule shorter walking days and thus a longer overall trip in terms of number of days.
Could anyone give me some help and advice? Best regards,
Hi there, I’m planning the Annapurna Circuit for March 2027 and I’m looking for a local agency with a local guide—preferably French-speaking—to arrange this trek for us. Any suggestions? Thanks
Hello!
We’re spending a few days in Toraja country at the end of May. We’d love to do a day trek—taking our time—on a route that’s stunning in terms of scenery, but not a level 5 in difficulty!
Any suggestions you can share, please?
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone,
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’d like to do the Mare a Mare Sud in May over 4 days. I’ve found quite a few places to stay along the route, but I’m stuck on the start and finish. I’ll be arriving by plane on Sunday evening and would like to start pretty early on Monday morning. Ideally, accommodation right at the trailhead (Alzu di Gallina) would be amazing, but I can’t find anything. Any tips? Also, for the transfer from Figari Airport to Porto Vecchio or Alzu di Gallina? At the end, I’d like to pick up a rental car—any advice on that too?
Thanks in advance!
Caro
I’m traveling solo by plane to Catania in May and plan to hike the northern side of Etna, starting from Linguaglossa where I’ll arrive by bus. After that, I’d love some info on how to get up to Piano Provenzana (shuttles or hitchhiking), since it seems there’s no public transport except in the summer. Can you sleep there in a free or cheap refuge, or camp? And how far up can you go without having to hire a guide? Thanks in advance. Bernard.
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Morocco in August and we’ll start with a stop in Chefchaouen (we’re driving).
My question: can anyone suggest a 5-to-7-day loop hiking route from Chefchaouen in Talassemtane Park, ideally passing by the God’s Bridge? Or a paper guidebook that covers a few options?
We prefer wild camping and guesthouses.
Thanks in advance
Hi there, for those who’ve been recently—is it possible to find other solo travelers in March on the island to share transport or room costs? It doesn’t seem easy to travel on a budget.
If you have any recommendations for simple lodgings or places with dorms, I’d love to hear them.
For those who’ve done multi-day treks while moving around: do you need to bring your own sleeping bag? I’d love to hear about itineraries you’ve done without a guide, just with a map and GPS.
Thanks, and have a great day!
Hi everyone!
We’re planning a 15-day road trip to Scotland this summer, specifically to explore and hike on Lewis and Harris—places we’ve never been before. We’ve visited other islands on previous road trips in Scotland (we usually go in April for a week). This would be our first time in Scotland in the summer and for 15 days. We’re looking at late August to early September.
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
I’m currently drafting the itinerary. We’d be crossing from Ullapool and were thinking of spending 3 nights on Harris and 4 nights on Lewis.
Does that sound balanced to you? Is it better to keep the same accommodation on Harris and the same on Lewis to explore the area? I’d love to hear about any past experiences you’ve had on these islands. Thanks!
Hi there, I’m trying to leave for 15 days very soon to São Vicente. I’m either looking to join an agency or figure things out on my own to go hiking on one of these islands or both. From what I’ve seen, it’s not easy to organize with local transport, so it gets expensive. Can I use the services of a small local agency? I’m looking for the simplest way to hike for several days. Also, how do you get from São Vicente to São Nicolau? Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Aichatou
Hi there,
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
I’ve been wanting to do this for several years, and this year’s the one. Next September, I’ll be trekking in Tusheti (Georgia), from Omalo to Shatili. Of course, I won’t be renting a vehicle that’d just sit unused. No problem getting to Pshaveli, but from there to Omalo, it’s a dirt road (still the case?) There must be some form of public transport since there are so many guesthouses, and not all travelers come in a 4x4. If any of you have been to Omalo, could you confirm that these shared transports exist and how often they run?
hi
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
we’re planning a trip to Yellowstone and hoping to do a three-day backcountry hike if we get a permit. if any of you have done this before, could you let me know if it’s possible to find water along the way? And if we can transport it, are we allowed to use a stove?
thanks for any tips!
sandra
