Relier Foum Zguid - Mhamid par une piste
by PhilRaz
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Bonjour, J'envisage de partir fin mars, début avril au Maroc et louer un Duster 4 x 4. J'ai un road book pour une partie mais j'aimerais relier Foum Zguid - Mhamid par une piste. Si quelqu'un peut me renseigner sur la faisabilité, voire me donner une trace gps pour mettre sur mon Garmin Etrex Merci Philippe
PhilRaz
Bonsoir,
C'est un grand "classique". que beaucoup ont fait, pour ma part, c'était dans le sens Mhamid/Foum...
Avec, à ma connaissance 3 possibilités:
-1/La piste qui part de Tagounite, passe dans le djebel Bani, au nord d'Iriki, le check-point et Foum-Z'Guid.
-2/De Mhamid, vers le campements, à un moment (jen'ai pas le WP), sur le reg, un départ à droite qui amène au pied du djebel, pas loin d'un pseudo village.
-3/Mhamid, les dunes, le "lac", le check-point et la suite...
Observations:
-Au moins les 1et 3 sont sur les Gandini (dans l'autre sens)
-Pour 1 et, un peu moins, 2, avec un truc de loc, les pneus vont souffrir !
-Pour 3, tu vas bouffer du sable bien mou !
Mais c'est toi qui vois!!
Bonne prépa,
Razul
Bonsoir, Merci pour les infos. A ta lecture, ce que je crains est de voir que les pneus vont souffrir. J'ai eu une mauvaise expérience il y a quelques années en louant un Toyota Prado avec des pneus dit michelin made in "je ne sais plus où dans le sud est asiatique". Bref, je vais tenir compte de tes conseils et peut être prendre la piste de Zagora en partant de Foum Zguid pour ensuite rejoindre Mahmid, histoire de voir un peu les dunes. Plus tard, quand j'aurais plus de temps, je partirai avec mon propre véhicule avec des bons pneus.
PhilRaz
bonjour,
Mhamid n'est pas en bordure de l'erg, donc aucune dune à l'horizon, ou alors quelques barkanes perdues en bord de village.
la location d'un 4x4, avec des pneus corrects, peut se faire à MRK, mais il n'est pas exclu que les pneus du duxter ne soient pas adaptés à la piste prévue.
De plus, en évitant la piste Foum-Zguid -Iriki (piste très cassante du fait de la caillasse présente), on peut très bien relier Mhamid sans soucis. Il faut par contre prendre une piste partant quelques km après Foum-Zguid, sur la route de Tata, et qui elle est roulante , sans caillasse, permettant d'éviter la zone délicate de la piste principale.
Le trajet passe ensuite en bord d'erg, sur une piste très fréquentée mais effectivement sablonneuse, donc rouler avec un peu de vitesse pour éviter de se faire freiner par le sable et par là même risquer de se trouver planté...ceci dit on repart facilement et l'on reste rarement longtemps seul.
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
pour aider, car sur google les pistes n'apparaissent que très partiellement, voici les wp depuis la route Foum-Zguid /Tata jusqu'à la zone d'Iriki, ensuite suivre la piste en direction de l'erg et poursuivre sur Mhamid par la même piste.


Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
Bonjour, C'est sympa ... Sans vouloir abuser, serait-il possible de m'envoyer le tracé Gps sous forme de fichier afin que je puisse l'intégrer dans Base Camp puis dans mon Gps Garmin ? Sinon, comment dois-je faire ? Entrer chaque WP avec les coordonnées fournies ? Merci (En fait, je viens d'acheter le Garmin et je ne suis pas encore familiarisé mais je vais m'y mettre ...).
PhilRaz
bonjour,
ces wp proviennent de mon logiciel de navigation et n'ont pas de relation avec mon gps. Je ne peux donc pas te fournir un fichier Garmin, simplement un fichier oziexploreur ( le logiciel de nav) mais qui ne te sera d'aucune utilité si tu n'as pas celui-ci. Donc il va falloir entrer les wp à la main...ceci dit il n'y en a pas beaucoup ....
ces wp proviennent de mon logiciel de navigation et n'ont pas de relation avec mon gps. Je ne peux donc pas te fournir un fichier Garmin, simplement un fichier oziexploreur ( le logiciel de nav) mais qui ne te sera d'aucune utilité si tu n'as pas celui-ci. Donc il va falloir entrer les wp à la main...ceci dit il n'y en a pas beaucoup ....
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
bonjour,
Le Garmin me donne plusieurs formats de position hddd°mm.mmm' ou hddd°m'ss.s''
effectivement tu peux rentrer les coordonnées sous plusieurs formats différents : ceux que je te donne sont au format hddd°mmm.mmm', c'est à dire le degré en premier et ensuite les minutes avec décimales; l'autre format possible étant , sur ton garmin, degré, minutes et secondes . Tu dois certainement même avoir le format UTM en km.
Donc pour rentrer les coordonnées fournies, par exemple la première : 30 01,803 et -6 54,194
il faut que tu entres 30° 1,8003 N ( N pour Nord) et 6° 54,194 W (W ou O pour West , selon que Garmin utilise l'un ou l'autre pour signifier Ouest ) Le moins signifie simplement que tu es à l'Ouest du méridien zéro, donc tu ne le fais pas apparaître en entrant les valeurs, le fait de mettre W ou O suffit.
ps: sur google earth tu peux également changer le format de coordonnées à l'écran, afin de les avoir dans le format qui t'intéresse.
Le Garmin me donne plusieurs formats de position hddd°mm.mmm' ou hddd°m'ss.s''
effectivement tu peux rentrer les coordonnées sous plusieurs formats différents : ceux que je te donne sont au format hddd°mmm.mmm', c'est à dire le degré en premier et ensuite les minutes avec décimales; l'autre format possible étant , sur ton garmin, degré, minutes et secondes . Tu dois certainement même avoir le format UTM en km.
Donc pour rentrer les coordonnées fournies, par exemple la première : 30 01,803 et -6 54,194
il faut que tu entres 30° 1,8003 N ( N pour Nord) et 6° 54,194 W (W ou O pour West , selon que Garmin utilise l'un ou l'autre pour signifier Ouest ) Le moins signifie simplement que tu es à l'Ouest du méridien zéro, donc tu ne le fais pas apparaître en entrant les valeurs, le fait de mettre W ou O suffit.
ps: sur google earth tu peux également changer le format de coordonnées à l'écran, afin de les avoir dans le format qui t'intéresse.
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
Bonsoir,
Voici un site pour décharger des traces du Maroc GPX = basecamp = garmin
http://www.voyages4x4.com/telechargements/58-collection-de-traces-gps-au-maroc.html
Dirk
Voici un site pour décharger des traces du Maroc GPX = basecamp = garmin
http://www.voyages4x4.com/telechargements/58-collection-de-traces-gps-au-maroc.html
Dirk
bonsoir,
Le circuit que tu proposes part de Mhamid ( quelques zones de sable sur la piste) et ensuite s'écarte de la piste vers l'erg pour passer à l'oasis sacré ( pas grand chose a y voir...) puis continu vers le village de Sidi abd n' Nebi, pour ensuite prendre la piste principale vers Foum Zguid. Tout au long de ce parcours tu ne seras jamais en bordure des dunes, au mieux tu passera à coté de petites barkanes isolées. La piste qui approche l'erg et ensuite rejoint le "lac" Iriki , passe plus au sud.
Les wp que je t'ai fournis partent de la zone vers Iriki ( c'est très large et il y a une multitude de pistes) et permettent d'éviter la piste infernale d'Iriki à Foum-Zguid ( celle que tu comptes prendre sur ton tracé)
Pour rejoindre l'erg, ce n'est pas obligatoire de passer par Mhamid ( c'est d'ailleurs mieux de l'éviter, ainsi que les rabatteurs qui cherchent à t'envoyer sur de fausses pistes...). Tu peux prendre une piste qui part quelques km avant Oulad Driss, passe par l'erg lihoudi ( dune du juif) et rejoint ensuit Chégaga sans difficulté particulière. Ensuite tu suis la piste qui longe l'erg ( piste en sable) et arrive vers Iriki; De là, tu rejoins le premier wp du retour vers Foum-Zguid ( en fait le dernier sur ma liste précédente, puisque mon parcours part de F-Zguid). L'ensemble est facile et tu es vraiment en bordure d'erg. Je te donne ci-dessous les Wp depuis la route Zagora -Mhamid, cela commence à l'embranchement après Tagounite et avant Oulad Driss et arrive vers la Mdaouar Srhir (sommet tabulaire très spectaculaire) après la traversée d' iriki. C'est à partir de là que tu peux reprendre les wp précédemment donnés.

Ps: j'ai vu que tu es maintenant sur Destim....regarde mon topo , dans la rubrique voyage en 4x4, sur le tour de l'erg chegaga, cela te donnera un idée des paysages...
Le circuit que tu proposes part de Mhamid ( quelques zones de sable sur la piste) et ensuite s'écarte de la piste vers l'erg pour passer à l'oasis sacré ( pas grand chose a y voir...) puis continu vers le village de Sidi abd n' Nebi, pour ensuite prendre la piste principale vers Foum Zguid. Tout au long de ce parcours tu ne seras jamais en bordure des dunes, au mieux tu passera à coté de petites barkanes isolées. La piste qui approche l'erg et ensuite rejoint le "lac" Iriki , passe plus au sud.
Les wp que je t'ai fournis partent de la zone vers Iriki ( c'est très large et il y a une multitude de pistes) et permettent d'éviter la piste infernale d'Iriki à Foum-Zguid ( celle que tu comptes prendre sur ton tracé)
Pour rejoindre l'erg, ce n'est pas obligatoire de passer par Mhamid ( c'est d'ailleurs mieux de l'éviter, ainsi que les rabatteurs qui cherchent à t'envoyer sur de fausses pistes...). Tu peux prendre une piste qui part quelques km avant Oulad Driss, passe par l'erg lihoudi ( dune du juif) et rejoint ensuit Chégaga sans difficulté particulière. Ensuite tu suis la piste qui longe l'erg ( piste en sable) et arrive vers Iriki; De là, tu rejoins le premier wp du retour vers Foum-Zguid ( en fait le dernier sur ma liste précédente, puisque mon parcours part de F-Zguid). L'ensemble est facile et tu es vraiment en bordure d'erg. Je te donne ci-dessous les Wp depuis la route Zagora -Mhamid, cela commence à l'embranchement après Tagounite et avant Oulad Driss et arrive vers la Mdaouar Srhir (sommet tabulaire très spectaculaire) après la traversée d' iriki. C'est à partir de là que tu peux reprendre les wp précédemment donnés.

Ps: j'ai vu que tu es maintenant sur Destim....regarde mon topo , dans la rubrique voyage en 4x4, sur le tour de l'erg chegaga, cela te donnera un idée des paysages...
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
Bonjour,
Je te remercie pour les infos mais je ne parviens pas à entrer correctement les coordonnées ds Google Earth :
Le WP 1 de 30 01,803 -6 54,194 Je le transforme en 30° 0,3850 N 6° 54,912 W et ça marche car je trouve une position cohérente avec ce que tu m'as indiqué,
par contre le WP 3 de ton premier message : ( 29 57,548 -6 55,571) Je ne sais pas comment faire et je me retrouve très au sud en Algérie. Comment convertir notamment le 57,548 ? J'ai essayé 0,5754 assez logique, le 5,7548 mais ça ne fonctionne pas ! Bref, je me dis que je dois être un peu crétin sur le coup. Peux-tu m'éclairer ?
Le WP 1 de 30 01,803 -6 54,194 Je le transforme en 30° 0,3850 N 6° 54,912 W et ça marche car je trouve une position cohérente avec ce que tu m'as indiqué,
par contre le WP 3 de ton premier message : ( 29 57,548 -6 55,571) Je ne sais pas comment faire et je me retrouve très au sud en Algérie. Comment convertir notamment le 57,548 ? J'ai essayé 0,5754 assez logique, le 5,7548 mais ça ne fonctionne pas ! Bref, je me dis que je dois être un peu crétin sur le coup. Peux-tu m'éclairer ?
PhilRaz
Bon, et bien en cherchant un peu, j'ai fini par comprendre : il faut que je paramètre Google Earth sur Degrés, Minutes décimales .... c'était tout bête ....Quand on sait, on comprend pas pourquoi on ne comprenait pas ! En tout cas, merci pour ton aide, je vais m'amuser à voir ton parcours sur Google Earth dès que j'ai un moment. @+
PhilRaz
salut,
j'allais te répondre la même chose...problème de calibrage de google identique à celui des wp donnés.
Par contre ne cherche pas à trouver absolument une piste en correspondance avec tous les wp, google earth n'est pas assez précis dans cette zone du Maroc et les pistes sont souvent pas visibles. Certain de mes points semblent être au milieu de nul part, mais je suis bien sur une piste !
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
voici le lien:
http://destimaroc.forummaroc.net/t1120-tour-de-l-erg-chegaga-bis#18077
Sinon , tu vas dans :" les voyages".. ensuite" pour les amateur de raid en 4x4" et pour finir "tour de l'erg chegaga bis"
Qui boit l'eau d'une terre étrangère doit en suivre les coutumes (proverbe Mongol)
bonsoir à tous !
quelques exemples de pistes pour rejoindre foum zguid à partir de iriki
ici
http://voyageforum.com/discussion/m-hamid-foum-zguid-par-piste-d5036349/
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Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
I’m finalizing the loop I’d like to do in May over 13 days, starting and ending in Essaouira.
We’re planning to rent a vehicle and are pretty active—we’re not really into crowds (that’s why I’ve decided to skip Marrakech).
Here’s my proposed itinerary:
Trip Proposal Summary: From May 13 (morning arrival) to May 26 (morning departure) Arrival and departure: Essaouira Day 1 (May 13): Arrival in Essaouira – Settling in / Exploring / Rest Day 2 (May 14): Essaouira – Water activities Day 3 (May 15): Essaouira to Tafraoute (~5h30) – route via Agadir – arrival and first exploration; Question: Is a detour to Taroudant worth considering? Day 4 (May 16): Tafraoute – Hike in the granite rocks – wild bivouac Day 5 (May 17): Tafraoute – Aït Mansour gorges – oasis – night in a hostel Day 6 (May 18): Tafraoute → Foum Zguid (~5h) – transition route – simple overnight or bivouac Day 7 (May 19): Foum Zguid → Zagora (~3h) – Draa Valley – desert prep Day 8 (May 20): Zagora → M'Hamid El Ghizlane → Erg Chigaga – departure with 4x4 guide – entering the dunes – bivouac Day 9 (May 21): Erg Chigaga – full desert day – walking, exploring – bivouac Day 10 (May 22): Desert → Ouarzazate (~5–6h) – leaving the desert – rest Day 11 (May 23): Aït Benhaddou – early visit – short hike – overnight stay Day 12 (May 24): Aït Benhaddou → Telouet – route toward the Atlas – start of trek – bivouac Day 13 (May 25): Atlas → Essaouira (~5–6h) – end of trek – return to Essaouira (overnight) Day 14 (May 26): Essaouira – free time + return flight
What do you think?
I aimed for an excursion to the Chigaga desert from M’Hamid because it seems less touristy and allows for a more compact loop. Is that a good idea? Is the drive to M’Hamid maybe too tedious?
Open to your great tips if there’s room for optimization!
All ears! :)
Thanks in advance and have a great day!
Clément
A lot of people find it important to stick to their budget when traveling—not to skimp, but to visit as many places as possible since traveling is their hobby.
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
In this post, I want to share some tips for those coming to Morocco who want their trip to be budget-friendly.
1. Prebook everything: hotels or riads, car rentals, or tours. If you book these in advance, it’ll make your life easier. You won’t have to deal with hagglers or people trying to overcharge you for services that are available online for free. Use platforms like Booking, Expedia, carsrental.ma, Airbnb, and other booking services to get this done properly.
2. Exchange your money to Moroccan dirhams as soon as you land. 1 € is always a little over 10 dirhams, but many people get charged as if it were exactly 10 dirhams per euro.
3. When visiting an old site or the old medina, avoid talking to vendors and shop owners—they’re really good at getting your attention and making you overpay for things.
4. Ask your tour guide to buy things for you. Yes, they do get a commission, but you’ll probably pay way more if you buy something yourself that they can get cheaply.
5. Walk everywhere. You don’t need a taxi for every little trip. Pick a good location and walk—most Moroccan cities are safe during normal hours.
6. Buy your food, drinks, etc., from supermarkets at normal prices. They can’t overcharge you since they scan every product.
I think that’s it for now.
Take care
Hi everyone! 😊
We’re traveling as a family to Marrakech from April 19 to 24, and there’ll be 15 of us (all ages), staying in the Targa neighborhood (El Idrissi Street).
I’d love your advice on a few things! 🙏
🚗 Vehicle rental
We’re thinking of renting 3 cars. We’ve seen really low prices online, but often without insurance.
👉 Do you have any reliable contacts or personal experiences to share?
👉 Would you recommend getting specific “tourist” insurance?
🏛️ Visits – Bahia Palace & Saadian Tombs
We’d like to visit the Bahia Palace and the Saadian Tombs, but:
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
We can’t find single tickets online We only see guided tours with fixed times (like 9:30 AM / 4-hour tours)
👉 Do you know if it’s possible to book without a guide? 👉 Or do we have to buy tickets on-site? (We’re a little worried about crowds and lines, especially with older folks in the group.) 🍽️ Restaurants / meals We’ve spotted the Grand Bazaar Marrakech for a meal. 👉 Any thoughts? 👉 Could you recommend other restaurants in the same budget? (We’re a big group, so it needs to stay reasonable.) For lunch/snacks, we’ve seen:
Snack Toubkal Goûter Saveur
👉 If anyone’s been, I’d love your feedback! 😊 🛒 Practical info – Targa neighborhood We’ll be in Targa (El Idrissi Street). 👉 Are there shops nearby for quick groceries (breakfast, water, etc.)?
If you’ve got any great tips, contacts, or little tricks, I’d love to hear them! 😍 Thanks so much for your help! 💖
As-salamu alaykum!
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
We’re heading to Morocco as a family from April 22 to May 8. It’s a bit short to explore such a beautiful and vast country, but school and work commitments, you know how it is... My partner is a musician and absolutely loves Gnawa music. Unfortunately, we won’t have time to visit Essaouira, as we’re heading south toward the Valley of the Roses...
Do you know of any places around Marrakech, Ouarzazate, or Kelaat M’Gouna where we might have the chance to meet Gnawa musicians? We’ll also be staying a few days in Aït Benhaddou and Skoura during our trip toward the Dadès Valley. If you have any good spots to buy a guembri along the way, I’d love to hear about them too! :)
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Mathieu
Mid-May: arriving alone (so, a "petit taxi"?) at Marrakech airport around 4:30 PM,
is it advisable to take a taxi at the airport (cost?) or is it wiser to book one through the hotel before departure (which would cost me 20 €)?
I think I’ve seen lower fares elsewhere (12 €?).
Destination: Riad Sijane near Djemaa El Fna square. Thanks!
hi there
we’re heading to Hammamet in a few months
what would you recommend visiting for a week?
best regards
Hi there,
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
I’m planning my next trip outside Europe for next year, but unfortunately, I don’t have a choice with the dates—it’s late June to early July. Last year, I went to Japan for three weeks, and it was constantly 36-37°C with over 90% humidity. It wasn’t easy, but it wasn’t impossible either.
For Egypt, I know it’s a period to avoid if possible, but I’m thinking that by the sea, it might be manageable. Otherwise, I’ll consider another destination.
Day 1: Arrival in Hurghada in the evening Day 2, 3, 4: Hurghada Day 5: Hurghada, then drive to Luxor in the early afternoon Day 6: Luxor Day 7: Luxor, then drive back to Hurghada in the late afternoon Day 8, 9, 10, 11: Hurghada Day 12: Return flight
For the Hurghada trip, either rent a car or—easier—a private car/van. Is it worth adding an extra day in Luxor?
During the stay, we’re planning activities like camel rides, quad biking, jeep tours, snorkeling, and jet skiing.
Thanks for your replies
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to Morocco in September-October in our Fiat camper van, which isn’t a 4x4 but has already handled quite a bit of rough travel. While reading up on southern Morocco, we’ve been drawn to the Aguinane oasis but I’m having trouble locating it on the map. Is it possible to get there without a 4x4?
Thanks for your help
Hi,
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Does anyone know the address of a rose flower distillery in the Valley of Roses / Kelaa M'Gouna? A traditional distillery, not just the tourist shop.
Thanks a bunch!
Nicolas :-)
Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to travel from the Dades Gorges (Msemrir) to the Todra Gorges (Tamtatouche) on a paved road? Thanks in advance for any answers.
Hello,
We’d like to hire a French-speaking guide (agency, professional, or volunteer) to show us around Cairo over three days.
Trip planned for November 22, 23, and 24, 2026—four veteran French travelers.
We’re open to any leads, contact info, or suggestions.
Best regards,
Jacques
Hi there,
I have a layover in Algeria.
I won’t be leaving the airport.
The two tickets aren’t with the same airline.
Do I need a transit visa?
Thanks for any details and your help!
Hi there,
I live in Casablanca and my parents, who are 80, will be joining me in Marrakech at the beginning of May for a few days.
We’ll be renting a car to get around.
Do you have any suggestions for things to see or visit within a 2-3 hour drive max from Marrakech that aren’t too touristy?
My parents can walk a bit, but at 80, no climbing Mount Toubkal!
Thanks so much in advance for your ideas!
Hi everyone, just back from the 8-day Marrakech-Merzouga loop by car, and I’d love to share my feedback in case it helps some of you. Big thanks to all the forum members who kindly answered my questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Trip from Friday the 20th to Saturday the 28th, flying out of Marseille with Ryanair
- Landed late around 8 PM local time, exchanged some currency, and the rental agency (Magdaz Car, which I highly recommend) delivered the car straight to the airport with some great route tips (don’t blindly trust Maps.me). The night drive was a bit intense—lots of people out and about due to Ramadan. Stayed at Riad Midhou (really nice) on the outskirts of the city, which made it easy to hit the road the next morning.
- Day 1: Marrakech to Skoura. The drive was smooth, roads are great, but watch out for roundabout priority—it’s different from France. Beautiful route. Quick stop in Ouarzazate for lunch, Ait Benhaddou for the view (stunning), and the Fint Oasis (meh...). Spent the night at Taloute Ecolodge in Skoura, overlooking the palm grove (super cozy).
- Day 2: Skoura to Todgha Gorges via the Valley of Roses and Dades Gorges. Adventure-packed day! We crossed the Valley of Roses (pretty, but not as amazing as I’d hoped) and took a "shortcut" recommended by the *Routard* guide to reach the Dades Gorges without backtracking. After asking locals, they said, "It’s doable." Turns out it was a narrow, rocky cliffside track—no way to turn around! A stressful moment, with a nice scratch on the bumper and a good sweat. Fine in an SUV or 4x4, but not in a Logan... Then the Dades Gorges (nice) and a detour through the north to reach Todgha from above. Gorgeous mountain road and a quick stop on some snow patches—touching African snow! Spent the night at *Les Gorges de Todgha*—great place, except for the bathroom. The Todgha Gorges themselves are stunning!
Day 3: Todgha to Merzouga. Beautiful drive, and the view of the erg (sand dunes) on arrival is breathtaking! Totally worth the trip. Explored the desert and stayed at *Café du Sud* hotel just outside Merzouga—absolutely gorgeous.
Day 4: Merzouga. Desert exploration and chilling by the hotel pool (with a bonus sunburn). Lunch in Merzouga—I recommend *Dakar*—their lemon tajine was amazing. Spent the night in the hotel’s luxury camp, including a camel ride. The camp was beautiful, but I was disappointed we weren’t deeper in the desert given the price (100 € per person, including dinner, breakfast, and camel ride).
Day 5: Merzouga to Tamnougalt. Gorgeous route. First fine (a supposed stop sign...) but the officer was super nice—only 150 MAD. Stayed at *Kasbah Maktob*, right in the middle of ruins—really unique and beautiful!
Day 6: Tamnougalt to Marrakech. Another beautiful drive, and a second fine (minor speeding), same amount. Crossed a windy mountain pass during a big storm—traffic was blocked in the opposite direction (not sure why), causing massive jams for those coming from Marrakech. A few downed cables, but nothing serious. Arriving in Marrakech was tricky—hard to find the rental agency, and the traffic was intense (watch out for GPS trying to send you through the medina). Ask the rental company to meet you somewhere quiet. They didn’t even notice the damaged bumper... Stayed at *Riad Zifamo* in the heart of the medina. Big change of pace—so many people and so much hustle!
Day 7: Marrakech. Lots of wandering through the souk and a quick trip to Gueliz (not essential). A few tips for the medina: watch out for scooters weaving too fast, always negotiate prices (aim for at least 1/3 off what they ask, unless it’s a small amount), don’t buy spices—more expensive than in France! Head to the *Carrefour Market* in Gueliz for better prices. In the end, not many truly unique items—you’ll find more or less the same things everywhere.
Day 8: Early morning flight. We’d booked a car to the airport from the riad, but a taxi would’ve been fine—plenty available even at 7 AM. Security wasn’t an issue (we had lighters and liquids over 100 ml).
A few extra notes: Pleasantly surprised by the road quality—just a few potholes here and there, but overall very drivable. Watch out for the police—they’re everywhere! The car cost me 30 € per day (with the *Routard* discount) and about 90 € in gas. No safety concerns, no harassment, and no stomach issues, despite the ice in Marrakech. Breakfasts at the hotels were usually hearty—take advantage! The timing (end of February) was perfect—pleasant daytime temps and cool nights. Since it was Ramadan, nothing unusual to report, except it was hard to find food outside Marrakech at lunchtime. If I did it again, Merzouga is a must, but I’d spend a night in a real desert bivouac, deeper in the dunes. My stops (no more than 300 km a day) were well-paced, and with so few cars on the road, it wasn’t tiring—even though I’m not usually a fan of driving... Happy to answer any questions!
Hi there,
I’m traveling solo to Egypt. Could you give me a rough idea of the budget for:
meals
hotels
taxis including tips
visits...
Just an estimate, of course.
For 15 days, what would the price range be, considering there’s an overnight train and a Nile cruise?
I’d like to compare with a travel agency. Is it more worthwhile to go through an agency despite the downsides of group travel?
Otherwise, if a travel buddy is interested in this country, why not?
Thanks a lot!







