Bonjour a Tous,
Atuellement en Thailande, nous nous appretons a rentrer en France courant 2011.
Il nous reste encore a gerer la scolarite des enfants (9,6 et 3 ans). Nous prevoyons un retour en douceur en famille. Nous avons donc prevu de repartir en train apres quelques jours de visites a Pekin.
Le forum regorge d'information concernant le trajet Europe - Asie mais finalement assez peu concernant le retour. Nous ne sommes pas des "routards" et nous cherchons juste un moyen original et soft de retourner en occident. Ceci etant dit merci pour toutes informations concernant ce projet:
Pekin : 2 jours (3 nuits) pour visiter les sites principaux (Gande Muraille, Palais d'été, Cité interdite etc....). nous cherchons un hôtel bien situé et un guide francophone pour interresser petits et grands. et une activité familiale pour les deux soirées pekinoises. Je pense avoir trouver une agence pour les demandes de visa russes. Je fais la demande de Pekin ou de Bangkok ?
Train pour Moscou: lequel ? siberien, manchourien, mongolien........ Vu les températures que nous allons rencontrer (fevrier 2011) je ne suis pas encore convaincu de faire un stop et nous avons privilégié le retour direct (plus simple sur les billets et les visas). qu'en pensez vous ?
Moscou: 2 jours (3 nuits) pour visiter quoi ? Place Rouge, Kremlin, Monastère Novodietivichi. Nous cherchons un hôtel bien situé, probablement un guide francophone et des activites familiales pour les deux soirées.
Train pour Paris ou Nice: pas de choix arreté, juste a priviligier la simplicité (pas de changement, peu de demandes de visa). Nous sommes français. De quels visas avons nous besoin pour traverser l'Europe.
J'espère que ce post n'est pas trop pénible pour vous. Même une petite information sera lue avec la plus grande attention. Merci par avance pour vos contributions.
bonjour,
beau programme en effet!
je vais vous apporter des précisions dans la mesure de ce que je connais.
Pour le train je vous conseillerais le transsibérien, mais je ne suis pas très objective, c'est juste que je l'aime lol et que j'habite sur le trajet, effectivement faire un arrêt peut paraitre difficile mais pourquoi pas, surtout si vous souhaitez avec une vision de la Russie qui est bien différente de moscou. Pour info j'habite à Omsk, ville très sympa, il y a un hotel IBIS en plein centre ville. Mais si vous avez le temps il faut aller au baïkal, 2-3 pour admirer ce lieu, toutefois c'est vrai qu'il y fera très froid! mais marcher sur le Baïkal, c'est magique, admirer la pureté de la glace ça donne des frissons et ce n'est pas des frissons de froid lol.
Pour moscou, il y a des hotel à foison, j'ai en testé un que j'ai trouvé extêmement pratique, c'est l'holiday inn suschevsky
il se situe juste à côté de la station rijskaia on est vite au centre, il y a le musée de l'aéronautique et le jardin botanique à 1 ou 2 stations sur la même ligne.
le truc c'est que le petit déj est gargantuesque donc très sympa avant de partir pour une journée de rando découverte à travers moscou
je connais aussi l' Ismaelovo
immense mais vraiment pas cher, c'est un super rapport qualité/prix, bien placé, pas trop loin du métro et juste derrière il y a le grand marché qui porte le même nom où l'on trouve absolument toutes les sortes de matriochka, de chapka de boites en écorces et de tee shirt souvenirs, le marché est immense rien que pour ça il vaut le coup d'oeil.
Il y a aussi IBIS à moscou pour un prix raisonnable (attention quand même prix raisonnable, à moscou ça reste cher)
je pense sincèrement que pour le retour le train MOSCOU-NICE est a envisagé, c'est quand même un super voyage à travers l'europe.
Et puis y'a rien à dire il est quand même magnifique ce train!!
bon retour en France.
Pour la Russie attention les trains sont surchauffés donc quand on veut sortir il faut bien s'habiller car la différence de température est grande.
Spectacle familial à Beijing :
Pour ces tranches d'âge, il y a un incontournable : le spectacle d'acrobates du théâtre de Chaoyang.
Faites google + acrobats Chaoyang Beijing : vous trouverez des agences qui vous proposent des réductions appréciables par rapport au tarif officiel. Réservation par téléphone, j'avais rendez-vous sur place environ 30 minutes avant le spectacle et j'ai réglé en liquide la personne de l'agence.
Le rapport qualité-prix des rangs 1-4 est idéal, la vue est parfaite.
Vous n'aurez aucune difficulté à avoir un (deux?) taxi pour rentrer à l'hôtel, pour environ 30 RMB
Pour la deuxième soirée, "The Legend of Kung-fu" (Red Theatre) est très bien, mais il y a une trame racontée par une voix off en anglais, que vos enfants pourraient ne pas comprendre. Idem, les places des premiers rangs sont très bien.
Deux jours, c'est évidemment trop peu pour visiter Beijing; vous devrez choisir. Avec des enfants raisonnablement "marcheurs", il "faut" aller à la Grande Muraille. Il n'y a aucune difficulté technique sérieuse, mais gardez une flexibilité dans votre programme : il faut renoncer s'il pleut ou neige. Vue la saison, couvrez-vous bien. Si la visibilité est faible en ville, ne désespérez pas : c'est probablement de la pollution, le temps sera dégagé en ville.
Pleeeease ! essayez d'aller la voir à Jinshanling plutôt qu'à Badaling ! (voyez les commentaires sur le sujet dans VF).
Si vous êtes à Beijing suffisamment tôt en février, allez patiner sur le lac Houhai gelé (au nord-ouest de la Cité Interdite), ou regarder les patineurs, de préférence le week-end. C'est très pittoresque et ludique. On loue des patins sur place pour 20 RMB.
pour pekin en 2 jours, il faut deja prevoir la journée pour la grande muraille et donc en 1 journée il faudra faire des choix surtout qu'il fera froid.
pour l'hotel je vous conseille d'en prendre une autour de wangfujing ou dans un des hutongs. Si vous nous dites quel confort recherché et budget on pourra mieux conseillé
Pour le train, transmandchourien et transmongol (pas transmongolien) font pékin - moscou en empruntant un gros bout de la ligne du transsibérien qui, après le baïkal, va jusqu'à la côte russe. Je ne connais que le deuxième, mais la mongolie vaut vraiment le coup. Et à mon avis, avec des enfants, ça peut être génial. Si vous avez quelques jours, allez les passer dans une famille. En passant par une agence, vous devriez même pouvoir demander à ce qu'ils aient des enfants également.
Sinon, ben, vous verrez de jolis paysages !
Et je suis forcément d'accord avec Roxanne, le Lac Baïkal, gelé, c'est superbe. (mais bien choisir la coin où aller, Listvianka, c'est nul ! Mieux que rien, mais moche..)
Pour Moscou - Nice, je me demande si vous avez besoin d'un visa de transit pour la Biélorussie, à vérifier.
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Peu d'infos sur le retour en train car visiblement plus de voyageurs l'utilisent dans le sens aller.
Nous avons parcouru en famille en train en 2009 Oulan Bator-Moscou (transmongolien OB-Irkousk puis transsibérien Irkousk-Moscou, avec un stop au Baikal). C'est une expérience inoubliable, un grand moment en famille et un retour effectivement via l'Europe en douceur. Maintenant, on ne connait ce parcours qu'en juillet. Quid en hiver ? (le lac Baikal en été est déja superbe, alors en hiver, ce doit être magique. Ce serait dommage de ne pas vous y arrêter..)
Si vous décidez de faire des arrêts en cours, c'est surtout à la longueur du visa russe vis à vis de vos arrêts à laquelle il faut bien penser en le prenant.
2 jours à Pékin : vous n'avez pas plus de temps si vous voyagez sur une longue durée ? C'est trop peu si vous voulez apprécier Pékin et faire tranquillement la muraille (je confirme qu'entre Simatai-Jinghansling cela vaut vraiment le coup).
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J'ai projet de partir de Paris à pékin via moscou par le bus (paris moscou), puis par le transibérien (moscou- pékin). combien peut coûter ce trajet (en euros)?
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I’m planning a trip around Italy using only trains or public transport in October (hoping the weather stays nice!).
I’d obviously like to see some tourist destinations, but I also want to get off the beaten path a bit, and I’m hoping to find some help here? I don’t plan to linger too long in the cities.
Starting in the north, I’d like to visit Lake Como or Lake Orta, pass through the Cinque Terre for some hiking, spend a few days in Naples and Rome, then head down to Sicily.
Hi there,
I’ll be traveling to Japan this coming August. We’ve finalized our itinerary and booked our flight tickets. Now I’m at the stage of buying train tickets for the few segments we’ll need to cover:
Tokyo - Hakone
Hakone - Kyoto
Kyoto - Osaka
Osaka - Tokyo
Here are my questions:
a) Is it possible to buy train tickets for these segments from Canada?
b) If so, which website should I use to do this?
c) And if it is possible, will we be able to print our tickets from Canada?
d) If it’s not possible, where in Tokyo should I go to buy these tickets when I arrive?
Hi everyone, I wanted to take the Paris-Berlin overnight train with a sleeper berth, the new service operated by European Sleepers.
24/05/2026 17:45 Paris-Nord (actually 16:00 from Paris Bercy Seine) -> 25/05/2026 9:59 (actually 7:30 in Berlin)
05/06/2026 18:31 Berlin (actually 20:00) -> 06/06/2026 10:00 Paris Nord (actually 12:30)
Part of the journey was operated by bus instead of the promised overnight train.
For 2 people: 340 € round trip
A total disaster. Never again. I was really looking forward to taking the overnight train, but we faced last-minute changes and truly unpleasant travel conditions. Here are the details:
1) 2 days before departure: email announcing a change of departure station for the outbound trip—Bercy Seine bus station instead of Gare du Nord.
2) Change of schedule: 4:00 PM from Bercy instead of 5:45 PM from Gare du Nord.
3) Change of transport mode!! A bus from Paris to Brussels, then an overnight train from Brussels to Berlin. No functional toilets on the bus. No children under 4 allowed on the bus.
4) On the sleeper train at 9:30 PM: no functional toilets in our carriage, so we had to go to other carriages, even in the middle of the night, to find working ones.
5) The onboard staff, though very friendly, were as lost as we were. In particular, they didn’t know how to handle the lower berths, so people using them had less space (armrests and backrests). Berth numbers weren’t respected, so some passengers had to move. The staff also didn’t know who was supposed to join the compartment during the journey.
6) Arrival at 7:30 AM in Berlin instead of 10:00 AM. No arrival announcement. Passengers had to search for staff to get breakfast and ended up with just a coffee (breakfast = 15 €, not bad for just a coffee).
7) Return trip: drastic schedule change announced by email on 26/05/2026—departure at 7:30 PM instead of 6:30 PM, with arrival between 12:00 PM and 1:00 PM in Paris instead of 10:00 AM. No change in transport mode announced.
8) Change in transport mode announced by email on the same day (05/06/2026)!! Overnight train from Brussels to Berlin, then a bus from Paris to Brussels. No functional toilets on the bus. Children under 4 banned from the bus, and families in this situation were asked to find another way—after being notified the same day.
9) The overnight train arrived at Berlin station with a 30-minute delay on top of its initial delay (scheduled for 6:31 PM, then 7:30 PM, finally arriving at 8:00 PM). The heating was blasting in the compartment with no way to turn it off. No functional toilets in the carriage. From that point on, customer service stopped responding to my messages.
10) Woken up at 5:00 AM with an announcement in all carriages about arrival in Liège.
11) Woken up again at 6:00 AM to be told we’d arrive in Brussels at 7:00 AM.
12) Arrival in Brussels at 7:00 AM and a one-hour wait for the bus to Paris. No functional toilets on the bus.
13) Arrival at Paris Nord at 12:30 PM, so 2.5 hours late compared to the originally scheduled time.
14) The overnight trains used are very old—I recognized the carriages from 20 years ago!! No functional power outlets, no Wi-Fi, no air conditioning. Five people per compartment is a bit cramped, but I consider these conditions expected (especially the air conditioning), so I’m not complaining about that. There’s already plenty to gripe about with the travel conditions.
I have little hope of getting even a partial refund. Customer service emails acknowledge the discomfort but only offer to reimburse the cost of a coffee on board if we send them the receipt... a bit weak.
I’m sharing this experience in the hope it might help others.
Hi there,
I’d like to take the Train of the Clouds from Lima to Huancayo.
I’ve heard it only runs during certain periods.
Does anyone have info on this?
Thanks!
HuancayoHuancayo
As part of my professional thesis, I’m conducting a study on the evolution of long-distance rail transport in France, particularly since it opened up to competition.
I’ve put together a very quick (about 5-minute) and completely anonymous questionnaire. Your answers will help me better understand users' expectations regarding pricing, frequency, and environmental impact.
We’re planning a 15-day trip to Uzbekistan in March—classic independent itinerary: Tashkent, Samarkand, Bukhara, Khiva. We’d like to take the train between each city, but I don’t want to lock down the whole trip before we leave.
So, my question is: is it absolutely necessary to book train tickets before departure, whether for the high-speed trains or the regional ones? Is booking really essential for the regional trains?
Hello,
We’re traveling as a family with two boys aged 10 and 12 to Cairo in February. During our trip, we’re planning to take an overnight train (with or without a sleeper) for the Cairo-Aswan route.
Do you know how I can book this remotely?
Also, I’m looking for:
- A local contact to sail the Nile by felucca for 3 days from Aswan
- A contact to guide us in Cairo
Looking forward to your tips, and thanks in advance!
Marie
Hi everyone,
I first traveled solo to Japan in 2019, exploring the Kyushu region (28 days), and I’m planning to return with my daughter (she’s an adult and it’ll be her first time in Asia) from April 25 to May 9.
I’m reaching out on this forum to ask for route ideas—this time north of Tokyo, but without heading to the Sapporo island (I’m saving that for a future trip).
I’d love to take advantage of the cherry blossom season and its festivities.
I’m looking to create a route that’s a little off the beaten path while staying within 5-6 hours by train from Tokyo to avoid spending too much time on transfers.
Thanks in advance for sharing your suggestions and experiences!
Michael
I'm heading to MEXICO IN NOVEMBER 2025. Since private guides and drivers are really expensive—over 300 € per day—I'm thinking of exploring the Yucatán by train. CAN YOU SHARE ANY INFO ON THIS? Thanks
Hi there!
We’re planning to visit Serbia (1 week) and then Montenegro (2nd week) with our kids from April 18 to May 4. We’d prefer to travel by train (overnight if possible), but we’re not sure which platform to book on or when to do it (is it too early?). If anyone has any tips, I’m all ears!!
I wanted to know if it’s possible to go from Tashkent to Almaty by train without passing through Kyrgyzstan. I’ve heard the border is often closed 😕 between Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan.
Thanks in advance!
Olivier
Hi there!
We’re planning to head back to Istanbul next year—obviously by plane—and then take the train from Istanbul to Antalya. Has anyone here already made this trip by train with TCDD?
I’d love any tips or info that could be useful for us!
I'd like to go to Montserrat on my own from Barcelona. Share your suggestions with me.
Which train should I take, where to get off, what to see once I arrive, etc.
I need to take a sleeper train from Bangkok to Vientiane in January.
I found some ticket options on 12Go Asia, but booking doesn’t seem possible at the moment. I’ve tried simulations for several dates, but no luck.
I’m wondering if it’s already fully booked, if they’ve stopped selling tickets… yet 12Go still features it every day 😕
Has anyone else run into this issue?
Can I find tickets on another site? (I tried Baolau, but no sleepers left for January 8th.)
Hi there,
I’m a bit late to be worrying about this, but hopefully someone can help me before I leave.
Tomorrow afternoon, I arrive at Lyon Part-Dieu on the TGV at 5:50 PM and take the TER to Mâcon at 6:16 PM. Is a 26-minute transfer doable? Are the TGV and TER on the same departure board? And are they on the same platforms too?
I’ve been to Lyon before but never had to make a connection after arriving.
Thanks
I can’t seem to complete the payment for my trip on the IRCTC (Indian Railways) site. No matter which payment method I choose, my Visa card isn’t accepted.
Has anyone here managed to do it, and if so, could you share the method you used?
Thanks in advance!
Charlie
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region.
After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani?
Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there’s a bus from Luang Namtha to Boten to catch the train coming from China to Vientiane? If so, what’s the name of the company? Also, how long does the bus take to cover that distance? What’s the condition of the road like?
Thanks for your help!
Tom
I just realized there’s only one payment method accepted for booking the Mombasa-Nairobi express train ticket online: M-Pesa, a mobile money transfer service used in Africa. Would it be impossible to book as a European?
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient).
But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this?
We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help,
and have a great Sunday!
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us.
I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com.
Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend?
Are the tickets changeable?
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas).
This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima.
I’m looking for suggestions and advice:
Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips...
Do you think it’s possible to do something like this:
5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku)
3 nights in Kyoto
2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo?
2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy...
Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train.
Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question:
Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.