Are we "bores" with our travel stories?
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JE
Reading an excerpt from "The Art of Boring People by Telling Your Travel Stories" by Matthias Debureaux first made me smile, then got me thinking… Are we "travel-bores" with our travel stories?

"Annoying is the one who, like Ulysses, had a wonderful trip. Because for every silver-tongued storyteller with marvelous tales, how many bores and nuisances… The traveler, drunk on grand images and magical encounters, has only one thing on their mind: pelting us with anecdotes, life lessons, and ideals. They’ll paint the most beautiful and distant Edens… the traveler has an endless pharmacy of stories. But nothing is designed to immunize us against travel tales. We should impose a quarantine on returning travelers. At least a dozen hours in a sobering cell. What’s the point? Months, years later, they’ll never miss an opportunity to reminisce. The evocation of their odyssey is a perpetual fireplace fire."

A provocative text, sure, but isn’t the person telling their travel story doing it mostly for themselves? Just to relive the joy of their trip? At friendly gatherings or with family, we sometimes have to endure the enthusiast… without necessarily sharing their passion for the destination!

The advantage of writing—and also of exchanges on sites like VF—is that only those who want to read a story do so… with the option to skip it anytime!

So, what do you think, authors and fans of travel stories published online?

Jean

P.S.: "The Art of Boring People by Telling Your Travel Stories" by Matthias Debureaux, Éditions Cavatines, 2005 Excerpts read in "The Taste of Travel" Éditions Mercure de France, 2008

P.S.: As a little wink… I still invite you to check out my latest travel story about a trip to the Aeolian Islands… see the story and photos by following this link: http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=4409520;page=unread#unread

I hope I didn’t "bore" you too much with this story 😉
Jean http://perso.wanadoo.fr/groenland-disko/yukon-dempster/
ME Merise39 ·
I try, when it's face-to-face, to see how the other person—or people—react. If they look away or seem detached, I drop it. Usually, I write about it more than I bring it up in person. That way, only those who are interested read it.
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MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
By the way, what do you think, authors and enthusiasts of travel stories published online?

I haven’t read that book, but I totally disagree with that mindset! On the contrary, I find the members of this forum who create travel journals really interesting. I admit I don’t always have time to read everything, but some are very well done. And I even prefer everyday travelers’ stories over those of great writers—there’s more spontaneity and authenticity in them.

The traveler, washed out by grandiose images and magical encounters, has only one idea in mind: to pelt us with anecdotes, life lessons, and ideals. They’ll paint the most beautiful and distant Edens… the traveler has an inexhaustible pharmacy. But nothing is prepared to immunize us against travel stories.

Well, you can tell this Matthias guy he’s a pretentious idiot—or maybe he’s doing it on purpose.
GN Gnome Veteran ·
"Are we bores with our travel stories?" In my opinion, the answer is YES in 95% of cases!

In *The Art of Boring People by Telling Your Travel Stories*, Matthias Debureaux offers every self-respecting "exploraseur" a series of invaluable rules to follow to maintain their status. The exploraseur is this new kind of globetrotter who emerged with the recent democratization of travel and who absolutely cannot stand being called a tourist—because the exploraseur doesn’t *do* tourism, they *travel*!

From this little introduction, we discover a series of tips, each funnier than the last, for sharing your travels with loved ones while subtly belittling them for their dull, sedentary lives. Along the way, this lets us recognize friends, colleagues, family—or even ourselves!

Here are a few excerpts in the form of a guide to telling your travel stories like a true exploraseur:

« Don’t say "I spent two months in India," but rather "I lived ten and a half weeks in India." »

« Choose real people and small jobs that perpetuate centuries-old traditions (taiga hermits, Khumbu sherpas, yak herders) while pretending to believe that bailiffs and insurance agents don’t exist on the other side of the world. Mention the joy of the Dropka shepherds on the high plateaus, the patience of the ear cleaners in Mumbai, or the radiance of the fruit vendor in Phnom Penh—but never the helpfulness of the clerk who exchanged your traveler’s checks. »

If you want to describe a capital: « Declare your passion for the fascinating blend of tradition and modernity. It’s a handy argument since few capitals escape this rule. »

The author also provides a few phrases to casually sprinkle into conversations upon your return—or in the now-inescapable travel blog—like: « Over there, everything makes sense, » or « It’s a city that carries within it the sense of the inevitable, which fuels passion, » or even « Its topography reflects our intimate space. »

This book is a little gem that every "traveler" should consult regularly to avoid falling into "explorasoir" mode. Of course, to appreciate it, you’ll need to accept self-reflection and tolerate criticism. Fans of self-deprecating humor will love it. Be careful, though—giving this book as a gift is a bit tricky, and if someone gives it to *you*, you might want to ask yourself why!

It’s no longer in print, but you can still find it easily secondhand (and at very reasonable prices) on traditional book-selling websites.
"Old travellers never die, they just smell that way"
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
hi,

"Are we bores with our travel stories?" In my opinion, the answer is YES in 95% of cases!

I agree with Gnome 95%! In the sense that, apart from a few exceptions (I’ve found some on this forum), travel stories don’t interest me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
MA Mathews Globetrotter ·
The "exploraseur" is this new kind of globetrotter who emerged with the recent democratization of travel and absolutely cannot stand being called a tourist… because the exploraseur doesn’t *do* tourism, they *travel*!

Okay, but with travel becoming so accessible, aren’t you and I full-fledged "exploraseurs" too?

I think this mentality—full of snobbery and labeling people—is very French...
GN Gnome Veteran ·
Okay, but with the democratization of travel, aren’t you and I just "explorabores" through and through?

It’s highly likely (even if I try not to be too much of one)! 🙂

I think it’s a very French mentality, full of snobbery, to label people and put them in boxes...

You’re probably right. That said, this doesn’t apply to this little book I’m recommending—it’s really funny and not at all snobbish or pretentious. It’s just a guy who’s traveled a lot and mostly pokes fun at himself and (gently) at people who show off a bit (or a lot) when sharing their vacations.
"Old travellers never die, they just smell that way"
PélicanBrun Veteran ·
Hello

A provocative statement, sure, but isn’t the person telling their travel story mostly doing it for themselves? Just to relive the experience and enjoy it again? At friendly gatherings or with family, we sometimes have to endure the enthusiast… without necessarily sharing their passion for the destination!

All of this is both true and false at the same time! 😉 It really depends on your audience! 😏

The quote: "It takes all kinds to make a world" really hits the mark in this discussion, in my opinion!

Some people (even when, I’ll point out, they could afford to do otherwise) are made to:

"be born, live, and die" practically in the same place!

I guarantee you, these people are as deeply attached to their "roots" as centuries-old trees! In most cases, sharing your travel stories with this group is a lost cause—they don’t even understand the meaning of the word "travel"! You’d quickly become an "Expert-Bore" if you insisted on going down that road!

Then there are the perpetual nomads, like the thousands you’ll find on this forum! Belonging to the "same world" as yours, they’re much more likely to be captivated by your stories!

Between these two "extremes", it’s not a total void! There are still people who love to travel "in spirit" rather than "in body"! Those folks might still be interested in your tales!

Actually, this isn’t unique to the "world of travel"! It’s more about the "world of enthusiasts" in general!!! The truly passionate (whether it’s travel, photography, cars, politics, sports, gardening, etc.) can quickly become a "bore" to "others" in any field when carried away by their excitement! 😉

Personally, I figured this out a long time ago and only go into detail about my passions (travel being one of them, of course!) with people who share them!!! 😉😉😉

Cheers,

PS: Given my motto, it goes without saying that I absolutely hate the opening line this author chose for one of their texts:

"A pain in the neck who, like Ulysses, had a great journey" 😠😠😠

To be brutally honest, it doesn’t exactly make me want to read their book—it might just seem a bit "boring" to me!!!!!!!!!!!
IS Isayaya ·
Living vicariously through travel—it’s so great! I don’t get to go away often enough—lack of time, money, health issues, and all that... so... what a joy to be able to dive into other people’s stories and travel the world that way. Some are great, some are "dull," but it’s up to each of us to pick what we like. Thanks to all of you who had a wonderful trip and took the time—or found the joy—in sharing it.
FR Freepouilles Regular ·
Hello, I find this topic interesting, as I’m a big traveler myself, and I realize I rarely talk about my trips. Except to people who are curious and ask me lots of questions. I’ve often had funny experiences meeting someone who’s "done" a certain country—usually on an organized tour—and they start telling me their stories, which are often full of clichés, like: "The vendor gives you a price, you immediately halve it, then you pretend to walk away, they call you back, and the price drops even more, etc..." Or: "You see over there, they have nothing, but they offer you everything. I admire that generosity of heart—nothing like Western countries, where individualism reigns, etc..." If they ever ask which countries I’ve "done" and I start listing my travels, they jump in to talk about another country they’ve "done," and off they go again, without ever really listening to me. I often try to find a way out because, yes, most "travelers" are pretty dull. The coolest ones are those who don’t flaunt their knowledge but share interesting anecdotes over the course of the conversation, always in the spirit of exchange.

Small clarification: for me, a trip only really begins after a month, when you start to disconnect from the realities of your home country. The best is when you’re no longer tied to France at all—no apartment or job.

That’s all. Cheers, Guillaume
La rage de vivre et de voyager!!! bordel!!!!
KR Kristen1 Globetrotter ·
Guillaume I totally agree with you. People who talk about their vacations are boring 95% of the time. I don’t like talking about my trips unless someone asks me a specific question. It’s even worse if they invite me to watch a video of their vacation 🙂

Another thing that happens to me a lot in France when people ask where I live (California) is that they want to tell me every detail of their trip when they did the "American West." It’s the same with Americans—if I say I lived in Paris, I get all the details of their 3 or 4 days in Paris... or worse, the problems they had with Air France!

Kristen
JE Jemaflor Veteran ·
Good points in your post about travel memories... it's true that travelers generally enjoy sharing their "adventures" more than listening to others'...

Another observation, but one that’s already been made in one of the travel journals posted on VF... Often, the people who seem interested are travelers who’ve been to the country—they relive their memories while reading the story and get to revisit their trip a little... whereas the author of the journal might prefer to introduce the destination to those who haven’t been yet!
Jean http://perso.wanadoo.fr/groenland-disko/yukon-dempster/
JE Jemaflor Veteran ·
Thanks for your contribution ... I’ve only read an excerpt of this book and don’t own the full work ... I feel like it’s a shame! With all the other remarks you mention, the whole book seems really interesting, full of humor and irony ... You’re making me want to read it in full ;)
Jean http://perso.wanadoo.fr/groenland-disko/yukon-dempster/
JE Jemaflor Veteran ·
It's true that the text is very provocative... it's meant to be humorous! It's also true that the phrase "Boring like Ulysses..." might shock some people... but I have to admit it made me smile 😉

On the other hand, opinions vary—some appreciate the author's irony, others not at all...

In the end, as we can see from all these posts in this discussion, the debate is open... and that’s the real value of this forum and this topic!
Jean http://perso.wanadoo.fr/groenland-disko/yukon-dempster/
MÉ Mékong Globetrotter ·
hi

He probably didn’t know about VF—maybe he would’ve changed his mind 😊. I mean, back in 2005, the forum was only 3 years old...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mekong69/sets/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-UPh_7iIlQ
JE Jeddhai Regular ·
We might also wonder if 'travelers' (well, some or many of them) don’t have a more developed 'ego' than others, one that swells with each trip or country they've "done" ("doing" a country—what a strange expression, and such a reflection of consumerist society...).

Unless it’s their greed that grows from always wanting to go somewhere else, and their dissatisfaction with staying where they are, even for a moment, and just being content.

Of course, there’s the saying: travel improves the wise and makes fools worse, but not everyone who wants to be "wise" can be...

And when a traveler has the audacity to call themselves a "great traveler," I think they haven’t yet become a true traveler—someone who travels as naturally as they breathe and doesn’t feel the need to recount their "accomplished travels," but simply does so 😉
«Si tu ne trouves pas d'ami sage, prêt à cheminer avec toi, résolu, constant, marche seul, comme un roi après une conquête ou un éléphant dans la forêt.» Bouddha
CL Cleastre Veteran ·
No need to worry on your account...

Your travel journal is a real success... ...what am I saying... A truly beautiful exception 😉
2E 2et2font4 ·
One might also wonder if 'travelers' (well, some or a good number of them) don't have a more developed 'ego' than others, which swells as they rack up their travels or countries "done" (doing a country—what a strange expression, and a reflection of consumerist society, really...) Unless it's their greed that grows from always going elsewhere, and their dissatisfaction with staying where they are, at any given moment, and being content there. Of course, there's the saying: travel improves the wise and worsens fools, but not everyone who wants to be is 'wise'... And when a traveler has the pretension to call themselves a "great traveler," I think they haven't yet become a true traveler—simply put, someone who travels like they breathe and doesn't need to recount their "accomplished travels," but just does it. 😉

Couldn't have said it better myself! Completely agree. "Boring like Ulysses..." works for me, and like freepouille and kristen, I end up keeping it all to myself unless someone asks, of course—but I try to keep it short in general.
JE Jeddhai Regular ·
No need to worry on your account...

Your travel journal is a real success.... ...what am I saying.... A truly beautiful exception 😉

One day here, tomorrow somewhere else, but the past is gone and the future isn’t here yet! Only the present exists... Those who leave (in my opinion) don’t leave more of a trace than a bird’s flight—they pass like the world, before everything fades... Nothing in our pockets, everything in our minds. Life itself is a journey that’s lived in the present or not at all ; )
«Si tu ne trouves pas d'ami sage, prêt à cheminer avec toi, résolu, constant, marche seul, comme un roi après une conquête ou un éléphant dans la forêt.» Bouddha
CL Cleastre Veteran ·
Good evening,

The present, like travel, is just an isolated act in a play... Without the journeys that came before or the surprises yet to come, it’s completely devoid of story... But that’s another topic 😉...
VO Voyajou Globetrotter ·
Good evening, freepouilles,

After reading your message and then your interests in your profile, I think if you wrote something about your travels, it could be really interesting. Seriously. You’re well aware that a conversation like the one you describe so well is one thing, but a written account is another—both for the storyteller and the readers/listeners. If only for the freedom to keep reading or to walk away. It seems to me it’s the same kind of difference as between a casual bar chat about some random topic and reading an article on that same subject. nota bene: I thought it was northern Italy that wanted to secede from the south—is there a movement for a free Puglia now?
PélicanBrun Veteran ·
Good evening,

One might also wonder if 'travelers' (well, some or a good number of them) don't have a more developed 'ego' than others, which swells as they travel or 'do' countries (doing a country—what a strange expression, and a reflection of consumerist society in the end...) Unless it's their greed that grows from always going elsewhere, and their dissatisfaction with staying where they are, at every moment, and being content there. Of course, there's the saying: travel improves the wise and worsens fools, but not everyone who wants to be can be 'wise'... And when a traveler has the pretension to call themselves a "great traveler," I think they haven't yet become a true traveler—simply put, someone who travels as they breathe and doesn't need to recount their "accomplished travels," but who does so naturally 😉

I couldn’t have said it better! Completely agree. "Boring like Ulysses..." works for me, and like freepouille and kristen, I’ve ended up keeping it all to myself, unless someone asks, of course—but I try to keep it short in general.

Reading you (jeddhai and yourself), a question is nagging at me? 🤪

But what the heck are you really doing on this forum? Why keep coming back? What’s the point for you?

If everyone thought like you, travel journals (which are still meant to be read, right?) wouldn’t exist, or even in the absolute sense: VoyageForum wouldn’t have a reason to exist, since three-quarters of its discussions would never see the light of day!!! 😕

There must be an explanation for this mystery—I can’t wait to hear it!!! 😉
MO Mousseliine Globetrotter ·
I find travel stories on the forum really useful for people planning to visit the same destination or looking for travel ideas... to me, it’s a way to gather information.

But I definitely don’t read multi-page stories all the way through. 😕

What I love is reading about someone’s impressions after a trip to the Americas in my neck of the woods, especially if I gave them a few suggestions. 🙂

As for telling travel stories in person... some people have a knack for captivating their audience with even the smallest adventure, while others are painfully boring. But between someone who constantly talks about their travels or someone who endlessly brags about their kids’ achievements... hmm...

And then there are destinations that interest some people but not others... and types of travel that appeal to some but not all.
"I go to Paris. I go to London. I go to Rome, and I always say: "There's no place like New York." That's the way it is. That's it." (Robert De Niro)
FR Freepouilles Regular ·
hi, I could try to share my travels, but I need a starting point. I have a bunch of emails I sent to friends, and I’ve been thinking for a while about compiling them. You’ve given me an idea—I might just give it a shot. These stories fascinated my friends, so why not the folks on VoyageForum? See you on the forum soon, Guillaume
La rage de vivre et de voyager!!! bordel!!!!
FR Freepouilles Regular ·
Hi there, I just posted my first travel story—super concise, as usual. Here’s the link:

http://voyageforum.com/forum/F19/v.f?post=4443065;live=1;#4443065

Let me know what you think—I’ve got more tales to share!

Guillaume
La rage de vivre et de voyager!!! bordel!!!!
CL Cleastre Veteran ·
Hi jemaflor,

Here’s a link to the travel journal Bwindi, a true Africa lover among the greats, is sharing with us. He’s both down-to-earth and modest despite his incredible talent—much like yours in the "Texts & Images" series ;)...

http://voyageforum.com/...8;page=unread#unread

Best wishes,
2E 2et2font4 ·
But what the "heck" are you actually doing on this forum? Why keep coming back? What’s in it for you?

It’s precisely to talk about it with people who are interested—or supposed to be.

If everyone thought like you, travel journals (which are made to be read, right?) wouldn’t exist—heck, even VoyageForum wouldn’t have a reason to exist, since three-quarters of its discussions would never happen! 😕

Travel journals get read when the internet user has time, but the person you *could* tell your stories to isn’t always available.
BE Berenberg Veteran ·
Travel stories on the forum are really useful, in my opinion, for people planning to visit the same destination or to get ideas for new places... I see it as a way to gather information.

That’s exactly the value of travel stories, at least what I read on Voyage Forum.

I’m sorry to be so down-to-earth and not philosophize or mock like the author of that pamphlet, but I find traveler accounts have several benefits for those unfamiliar with a destination. Let me use the United States as an example to illustrate my point: Get a first sense of the locals’ mentality through real-life situations—restaurants, hotel check-ins, renting a car. You quickly realize you should never raise your voice at someone, or you might face legal trouble.A discussion about the helpfulness of Park Rangers let people compare different views—some see Americans as very welcoming, while others have more mixed experiences. Learn handy tips to make life easier, like knowing when stores are open or not leaving your car key in the ignition because the vehicle locks automatically after a few seconds. Become aware of desert dangers (like flash floods) and that trailhead registers are a safety measure if you get lost. Adjust your itinerary to include hikes you thought were uninteresting or too challenging.The examples could go on and on.

I think the book’s author wanted to write the new *Dictionary of Received Ideas* by Flaubert, but for travelers.

But travel stories are like TV channels or the sports newspaper *L'Équipe*—no one’s forced to read them, and as PelicanBrun aptly put it, you can just move on.

Judging by the number of replies these stories get, they *do* interest quite a few people, and those who aren’t into them can always head to the library and borrow the classics.

Bruno
GI Ginestet Regular ·
totally agree A blog is meant to exchange points of view, give an opinion, offer advice—not to use it as a dumping ground for hatred, grudges, or personal problems....................if you don’t like it......you don’t read it......nobody’s forcing you......... pepe mike
michel
RA Raoulx Globetrotter ·
****"Are we bores with our travel stories?" In my opinion, the answer is YES in 95% of cases! ****

+1!!!! A huge portion of what’s posted on VF—and on some insipid blogs—is totally unreadable and wouldn’t even pass muster with close family. It’s as boring as those slide nights from the 60s or video evenings from the 80s. Too bad for the few gems you can sometimes find, buried under the output of oversized egos.
DU Dumultien Veteran ·
A huge chunk of what’s posted on VF—and on some insipid blogs—is totally unreadable and wouldn’t even pass muster with close family. It’s as dull as those slide nights from the 60s or the home-video evenings of the 80s.

Still, it’s easy enough to skip over "insipid" or "unreadable" stuff online, unlike those mandatory slide shows from Uncle Raymond back from his package tour of the Benelux… 😉
BE Berenberg Veteran ·
Hello,

Travel stories are a lot like literary works. Have you ever been surprised by the countless number of books (excluding technical ones) published each year, most of which likely end up being pulped?

Well, I think you’ve got to have the mindset of a gold prospector—always searching for those unique nuggets that vary for each of us since we don’t share the same interests.

I believe respecting others starts with a well-aired, well-written, and concise text—it’s the beginning of a gripping travel story.

Bruno
DU Dumultien Veteran ·
Hi,

Yes, I completely agree with you, and I’m actually the first to check out travel blogs and journals. To find the gems and/or great tips, or just to have a good time.

What I mean is that blogs and travel journals are only read by those who want to—usually other enthusiasts. There’s no intention from the authors to force us to read them. It was nothing like when a parent or friend would subject us to their endless slide-show evenings. 😉
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
Hi,

Since you’re bringing it up, and I’m not sure what to think myself—is Dolasadolasa a travel journal? A blog? A collaborative site about a region and travel?

Michel
JE Jeddhai Regular ·
I kinda agree with raoulx on the "oversized egos" 😄, though everyone has their "share of ego". I find that most travel blogs or personal sites—except those whose goal is actually to give useful and interesting info to people who want to go to a certain place without always forcing the focus on "themselves"—are really egocentric, even "exhibitionist." It’s like a kind of "self-promotion": "Hey friends stuck in sedentary jobs! Yeah, we’ve got the "good life," we’re a couple, or a lone "adventurer" (so cool), or a family of "Travelers"! Come read about our "adventures" on routes that have been done a thousand times before—just to make you a little sick of your boring life!" Basically, if the goal is just to help people do the same or "share" messages about peace, global brotherhood, or protecting nature, then sure, why not make a blog? But if it’s just to post your latest vacation like a photo album, I’ve got the same ones at home sometimes ;)
«Si tu ne trouves pas d'ami sage, prêt à cheminer avec toi, résolu, constant, marche seul, comme un roi après une conquête ou un éléphant dans la forêt.» Bouddha
DU Dumultien Veteran ·
Jeddhai, I think you're being a bit harsh on people who make the effort to put a blog online. It's true that what we find on the internet can vary greatly in quality—meaning the authors of these blogs have more or less talent. But we shouldn’t automatically assume these authors have the bad intentions you listed (egocentrism, exhibitionism, self-promotion).

Besides, "messages for peace, global brotherhood, or defending nature" don’t necessarily make the best blogs... When you’re planning a trip (which is what I’m doing right now), you mostly want to know how those who came before you structured their trip, what they saw, how they went about it, etc.

I’d find it a shame if travelers kept their notes and photos tucked away in a drawer just to avoid being accused of egocentrism, exhibitionism, or self-promotion. 😉

P.S.: Why do so many posts appear and disappear on this page? 😮
PélicanBrun Veteran ·
Hi fellow traveler,

Jeddhai, I think you’re being a bit harsh on people who take the time to put a blog online. It’s true that what we find on the internet varies wildly in quality—meaning some bloggers are more talented than others. But we shouldn’t automatically assume these writers have the negative intentions you listed (egocentrism, exhibitionism, self-promotion).

I completely agree with you! And I say that with total objectivity, since I don’t have a blog or any published travel journals!

There are no professionals on this forum (or at least, I hope there aren’t!), so why be so critical of the amateurs who make up VF? They just want to share their passion for travel—sometimes with such touching enthusiasm—through stories and travel journals made by "amateurs" for "amateurs"?

If anything, egocentrism and exhibitionism are more likely to come from professionals—it’s practically their trademark! A writer is an artist, and what artist isn’t a little egocentric?

And even if some forum members occasionally imagine (rightly or wrongly) that they have a bit of writing talent? So what! Is it really that big of a deal?

Why do so many posts appear and disappear on this page? 😮

I’d love to know too, honestly!!! 😠

See you around,
DU Dumultien Veteran ·
Hi PélicanBrun,

Yes, I think there’s one dimension that Jeddhai completely overlooked: the enthusiasm behind travel blogs and journals. That enthusiasm that sparks travel plans, stays with the traveler on the road, and keeps the dream alive afterward.

Without that enthusiasm, there’d be no passion for travel—or forums like this one.

I’ve "committed" a blog myself; it’s nothing special, and I’m not claiming it’s a model. But one thing I’m sure of is that I did it out of enthusiasm, to extend my trip and share it with others who share the same passion.

It’s not egocentrism or exhibitionism that drives people to travel and create travel journals—it’s passion and enthusiasm!

Later! 😉
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
Hi Jean,

For me, it's like with a book. I have my favorite authors, a writing style, and a story that will either hook me right away or bore me very quickly. I'm more sensitive to the way it's told. Actually, I prefer form over substance! I've come across some rare gems, illustrated with a few photos, which I also appreciate.

This space open to those who want to write is a great thing. I think for some, it's a little therapy 😉
Mes photos sur Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/153304262@N05/albums "Le Temps nous égare. Le Temps nous étreint. Le Temps nous est gare. Le Temps nous est train".
CL Cleastre Veteran ·
Hi Kate,

This open space for those who want to write is a good thing. I really think for some it’s a little therapy.

Not only do I agree, but it’s an obvious truth for all those who, without the anonymity of the web, would never have dared to show and share what they’ve seen...

Contrary to what I read earlier, it’s not just oversized egos craving popularity—there are also genuinely simple people who must be thinking, "why not me?" 😛
PélicanBrun Veteran ·
If this enthusiasm didn’t exist, there’d be no passion for travel—or forums like this one.

It’s not egocentrism or exhibitionism that drives people to travel and keep travel journals, but passion and enthusiasm!

So true, Amigo!

Hasta luego!
TA Tatra Globetrotter ·
A kind of self-aggrandizement like: "Hey friends who have to work sedentary jobs! Yeah, we’ve got the "good life," we’re a couple, or a lone "globetrotter" (oh so cool), or a family of "Travelers"! So come read our "adventures" on routes that have been done a thousand times by others—just to make you a little sick of your boring life!"

Did you see this in Dolasadolasa? (A bit surprised....)

Michel
KE Kelessuf Globetrotter ·
Did you see that in Dolasadolasa? (A little surprised....)

The answer is from jeddhai... Who probably shared their opinion on the general topic by continuing the discussion and likely didn’t even glance eastward....🙂
KA Kate Globetrotter ·
Since you brought it up, and I’m not sure what to think myself—is Dolasadolasa a travel story? A blog? A collaborative site about a region and travel?

Good evening,

I took a quick look at Dolasa. This "site" deserves more than a quick read, and I’ll be back. Since I don’t know Istanbul, I might be less enthusiastic than if it were about Morocco...😕 But I’d still be curious and maybe even want to go someday...

To me, it’s not a travel story but a place where people share their impressions. Like a journal or a magazine where everyone contributes their "article." Plus, it’s lively—nicely illustrated, well-paced, and up-to-date.

I’m not a big fan of the term "collaborative site." Too intellectual...
Mes photos sur Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/153304262@N05/albums "Le Temps nous égare. Le Temps nous étreint. Le Temps nous est gare. Le Temps nous est train".
DJ Djalma Globetrotter ·
hi,

What I really love is reading the impressions of someone who’s just come back from a trip to America in my neck of the woods, after I gave them a few suggestions. 🙂

Good point! I hadn’t thought of that... When’s the story of a Canadian in the Luberon coming?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XCOyB7WStI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2eI67iCbKY
DE Dennis Globetrotter ·
A huge part of what’s posted on VF—and on some insipid blogs—is totally unreadable and wouldn’t even pass muster with close family. It’s as boring as those slide-show evenings from the 60s or video nights from the 80s. Too bad for the few gems you can sometimes find, buried under the output of oversized egos.

....oh, so true....

....99% of them are tedious with their two-bit discoveries in usually hyper-touristy countries..........

.....thankfully, every now and then, someone like Patrick-Yangguizi pops up (we miss him..), and boom: a mythical country, a gripping story....
DU Dumultien Veteran ·
....99% are annoying with their two-bit discoveries of generally hyper-touristy countries..........

So, if I follow your reasoning, as soon as a country becomes "hyper-touristy," it loses all interest... Tough luck, since the vast majority of countries in the world have become very touristy. That’s probably what explains your 99% figure...

and then, boom: a mythical country

What exactly is a mythical country, in absolute terms?

Aren’t you aware that every country, every trip, is perceived subjectively by each person? So, a country that might be "hyper-touristy" for you (and thus unworthy of interest, in your opinion) could turn out to be mythical for someone else. Have you even considered that?

The quality of a blog or website doesn’t depend at all on the destination or the regions visited, but on how the traveler shares (or doesn’t share) their story and passion.
DE Dennis Globetrotter ·
.....oh no, I don’t think a country isn’t interesting just because it’s very touristy...

....I even think it’s possible to write something about France, Morocco, or Thailand, for example...but what I read on blogs or travel journals is often pretty thin...

....and of course, I agree with you about the idea of a "mythical" country—it’s not the same for everyone...our own country (France) can even be that for some people....I was just mentioning Patrick’s story about North Korea....where I’d love to go......
PI Pierre Globetrotter ·
Hi, I think the advantage of a blog is that there’s no obligation to visit it. When I used to print my photos, after coming back, I wanted to show them to everyone. I had to admit that it bored 90% of people. At that point, I created a website. That way, those who want to see them do, and those who aren’t interested don’t. Those who’ve seen the photos and want to talk to me about them take the initiative—nothing is forced by the insufferable, overexcited traveler waving their photos around 😉. I can’t remember who talked about enthusiasm. It’s personal, but I really enjoy posting my photos online, no matter the quality. Pierre 🙂
Mon espace web : http://www.world-blogueur.com Spéciale déconfinement https://voyageforum.com/discussion/enfin-libres-entre-rivieres-fleuves-canaux-velo-fil-eau-entre-seine-loire-d10299732/
CL Cleastre Veteran ·
Hi there,

It’s true that signing every message with:

My website (travel journals, expat diary...) http://www.planete-montagne.fr

leaves a bit of a "look at me" vibe that, whether we like it or not, still feels as cringe-worthy as Mom and Dad’s slide projections on the pearl screen in the 1960s living room 😛🙂...

All said in good spirits 😉

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