Cet été je planifie de faire un tour à vélo avec 5 amis. L'année passée nous sommes aller de Fribourg ( ma ville) jusqu'au lac des quatre cantons et nous avons énormement apprécié.
J'ai fais pas mal de recherche et mon seul problème est de trouvé le meilleur moyen de passer nos alpes.
Nous irions donc jusqu'au lac de Brienz et de là la meilleure possibilité semble de passer le Grimselpass. Par contre après ça se complique, devrait-on prendre le col du Nufenen et après se rendre facilement jusqu'à Airolo ou alors passer le col de la Furka et le col du St-Gothard?
Je ne sais pas vraiment quel choix faire, Nufenen semble plus physique mais plus court, le St-Gothard moins facile à cause de ces pavés.
Donc je voulais savoir si vous aviez plus d'information sur la difficulté physique et la possibilité (et plaisir) de ces deux solutions.
Ha et en passant, on va ( si possible) dormir sous tente donc peut-être faut-il prendre ça en compte au niveau du choix de col.
Je ne l'ai jamais fait en vélo, mais je trouve que le Nufnen est le plus beau, et le moins fréquenté.
Ça doit être assez physique, et il doit être encore fermé à cette époque de l'année.
devrait-on prendre le col du Nufenen et après se rendre facilement jusqu'à Airolo ou alors passer le col de la Furka et le col du St-Gothard?
Je n'ai pas encore fait le Gotthard, par contre j'ai fait le Nufenen en dormant à Ulrichen, où il y a un camping sympa. Depuis là, il ne reste plus que 1100m de dénivelé, et la route n'est pas très difficile. Je l'avais fait assez tôt dans la matinée pour éviter le trafic, et c'était des plus agréable.
On irait en Aout donc je penses que il n'y aura pas de probleme pour l'ouverture des cols.
Alors apparament Nuffenen est plus beau et moins fréquenté ? Je penses donc que c'est la meilleure option car franchir un col en compagnie de millier de voitures n'est pas idéale.
je confirme : la route du Nufenen est plus calme. Quant au Gotthard , il serait plus agréable en sens inverse de l'itinéraire que vous envisagez (montée sans voitures ou presque par l'ancienne route pavée côté Airolo, et descente sans pavés mais dans le flot de voitures côté Andermatt).
Je ne suis pas d'accord avec certains avis précédents. Le Nufenen est une horreur et une piste de courses pour les motards du Dimanche, qui se donnent rendez vous au resto en haut pour fumer une clope et admirer leur belles machines, sans c'être aperçus que le paysage est magnifique. Peut être qu'un jour de semaine, ça ira mieux.
La Furka est un peu mieux et moins fréquentée. Le Gothard Côté Furka, je ne l'ai fait qu'en descente, donc pas d'avis, de l'autre côté, il y a moyen de prendre l'ancienne route et donc, c'est pavé, mais il y a peu de circulation et c'est beaux. Ca reste de toute façon, mise à part l'ancienne route du Gothard, trois cols peu agréable pour circuler en vélo.
Physiquement, si tu passe par la Furka, ça te fera un col de plus. Le Grimsel n'est pas très dur, le Nufenen et la Furka, se valent. Nous on avais fait les trois cols en un jour, pour revenir au point de départ et sans bagages, donc difficile de se souvenir exactement de la difficulté du Nufenen qui était le premier.
Au Grimsel, je te conseil de t'arrêter au funiculaire de Handegg, ça vaut sont pesant de cacahuètes, autant le chemin piéton, qu'il vaut mieux monter que descendre, autant la descente en funiculaire. Assis sur un banc en bois qui descend la crête d'un rocher avec une pente au environ de 100%, ça laisse de belles sensations.
Je ne suis pas d'accord avec certains avis précédents. Le Nufenen est une horreur
curieux, car j'avais fait il y a quelques années une boucle Grimsel - Nufenen - Gotthard - Susten en 3 jours, avec au passage de petits crochets par Furka et Oberalp. Je gardais le souvenir que la route du Nufenen était particulièrement calme. Il est vrai que j'y étais passée un après-midi en semaine, fin juillet ou début août, par temps gris.
en ce qui me concerne c'est Grimsel nufenen
je suis passé 3 fois c'est un parcours magnifique surtout la descente du nufenen
la furka est superbe mais le gotthard coté nord n'est pas très beau
le versant sud par la trémola c'est paris Roubaix en montée ;-)
par contre le nufenen est un des cols difficile de suisse
j'ai fait tous ces col en cyclocamping
et j'ai fait deux fois le platin http://www.alpenbrevet.ch/2011/index.php?pid=seite_strecken
pour ce qui est de la circulation ce sont tous des cols routiers avec les désagrements que ça comporte
le pire que j'ai vu c'est dans les Dolomites
Ne pas oublier que par Berne/Lucerne/Gotthard ça fait 1 col, alors que Grimsel + Nufenen ça fait 2. A éviter absolument : la route du Brünig, une de mes expériences cyclistes les plus déplaisantes (trafic très intense et très puant). Au Brünig, essayer éventuellement la route "Suisse à vélo" qui sera bien plus calme mais probablement nettement moins roulante.
Par rapport au Gotthard, c'est vraiment une montée en 2 étapes. La première étape jusqu'à Andermatt, la seconde après. Ça donne la possibilité de faire une bonne pause à mi-chemin. Les pavés côté Airolo ne sont pas si épouvantables que ça. Je les ai faits dans les deux sens en vélo de route. C'est plus sympa à la montée, mais ça reste gérable à la descente et ce n'est pas si long que ça. Et ils sont en bien meilleur état que l'Enfer du Nord.
mmh, donc ces réponses me semblent partagées 😄. Il faudra que j'en parle avec mes amis mais pour le moment il me semble que le nufenen a plus d'adeptes.
Encore une précision par rapport à la route du Gotthard et en particulier les pavés côté Airolo. L'ancienne route du Val Tremola, celle qui est pavée, monte d'Airolo jusqu'au col. Si on veut on peut la prendre sur toute sa longueur. Mais elle n'est obligatoire que sur le tronçon inférieur entre Airolo et la caserne. A la descente en tout cas, il vaut bien mieux prendre la nouvelle route jusqu'à la caserne. A la montée l'ancienne route est sûrement plus sympa, mais je ne sais pas si elle est pavée sur toute la longueur (le jour où je suis monté versant sud, l'ancienne route était encore bloquée par la neige).
je suis passé par le col du Nufenen en septembre 2010; je suis monté depuis Ulrichen par une matinée ensoleillée en semaine et je rejoins ce qu'a dit mischi concernant ce col et le camping d'Ulrichen. Par contre il est possible que ce col ressemble plus à la description de vapkse si vous le montez un week-end ensoleillé du mois de juillet ou d'août.
Malheureusment je ne peux pas apporter d'éléments de comparaison avec le gotthard, n'y étant pas (encore) passé.
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I’ve got my flight ticket sorted—departing in mid-November and returning in mid-March. I’ll arrive in Santiago and leave from Buenos Aires.
I’ve already been to southern Argentina, specifically Torres del Paine National Park, and I’d love to go back to do the full W trek (I only did the shorter version last time).
I also want to do some hiking and maybe even tackle a summit. I climb and occasionally do some mountaineering, so I’ll definitely be going with a guide.
I plan to start around Temuco in Chile, with the idea of heading toward the lakes, then taking the Carretera Austral.
I’m not sure if I’ll go all the way to Ushuaia—it’s supposed to not be *that* worth it, except for the bragging rights of saying you’ve been to the end of the world.
I saw there are lakes in Argentina too.
I don’t have a precise itinerary, but what I’d love is, once I reach the southernmost point of my trip, to take a mini-cruise to see some wildlife. Any tips for that?
What kind of sleeping bag did you take? Is a 0°C (32°F) one enough?
And one last question: white gas stove or can I get by with my gas stove?
Hi there,
I’ve been road cycling for several years, and I’m about to switch to gravel in the next few days—I’m waiting for my bike, which should arrive this week.
I’m planning a bikepacking trip in a few weeks along the Véloroute V81, also known as the Vélosud, from Biarritz to Le Barcarès.
Has anyone here already done this route? Any info is welcome, whether it’s about the route itself, gear, or accommodation. I’ll prioritize staying with locals as much as possible. On that note, I just signed up for the brand-new site *Guidon et Couette* ((www.guidon-et-couette.fr)), which offers free accommodation between cyclists across the country, but there’s almost no one listed along my route!
Thanks in advance.
Laurent.
I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
After testing it for three years across various modes of transport, I’m sharing this video of a bike packing case. It’s made from recycled cardboard and shrink-wrapped, with adjustable thickness and added bubble wrap depending on the level of protection you want.
Installing spacers at the fork and chainstays makes the packaging compact. With the fifteen-odd euros for shrink-wrapping at the airport, this case travels really well.
https://youtu.be/_GDJi-GqmkM
- Low bulk (1.10m x 0.70m x 0.25m for a large frame), it fits vertically in train luggage compartments and the total dimensions (x+y+z) don’t exceed 2.40m.
- Two carrying solutions for public transport and easy handling by airport staff (no more tears in the cardboard from openings).
- Discreet packaging when dealing with bus drivers and train conductors, as it looks like an ordinary parcel.
- No need to return to the starting point to retrieve the case from your outbound trip, which you’d otherwise have to store somewhere, or deal with a bulky cover to pack in your panniers.
- You can still check tire pressure through the plastic film without damaging the packaging too much.
Drawbacks: Around 3 hours for this lengthy and meticulous process—removing the wheels, pedals, handlebars, and derailleur without misaligning them, then securing all components to the frame.
If you get a chance to test it, send me your feedback for future improvements.
Hi there, I’m planning a cross-Canada bike trip, and I’ve got a question that might seem silly, but could someone tell me how to pack a bike (in a box, with a fragile sticker... I don’t know) for a flight? Thanks in advance!
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam.
My question is about getting back to Nantes.
Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences.
I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes.
By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains.
We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance!
Have a great evening
I’ve gotten used to crossing Europe by bus to return by bike.
It was really convenient to take the bike without having to disassemble it.
But FlixBus no longer accepts bikes...
What alternatives do you know about?
Thanks.
Hi there,
I’m planning to ride the Dutch section of the EuroVelo 19, from Maastricht to Rotterdam.
Since it’s too complicated to bring my bike on the train, I’m looking to rent one locally.
I’d love any tips or bike rental shop recommendations—I’m struggling to find options even in Rotterdam.
The plan is to rent in Rotterdam, take the train to Maastricht with the bike, then cycle back to Rotterdam.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Nath
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August!
Virginie
I’m planning to build a new touring bike.
I want to prioritize lightness.
That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads.
The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper.
I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork.
Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm.
It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring.
And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear.
More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
I’m making an exception and creating a separate post this time, since it’s all about France. In May, we spent a week in Provence, specifically in the Luberon, exploring the cycling routes *Autour du Luberon à Vélo*, the *Véloroute du Calavon* (part of EuroVelo 8), and the shorter *Les Ocres à Vélo* route. Together, they gave us an amazing journey through rolling hills, vineyards, lavender fields still green in spring, and some of the most stunning landscapes in southern France.
It was, of course, the perched villages that impressed us the most. We visited Gordes, Roussillon, Bonnieux, Lacoste, Lourmarin, Ménerbes, Oppède-le-Vieux, Cucuron, and Lauris. Many of them are among the most beautiful villages in Provence, and it’s hard not to agree with that reputation.
One interesting point is the route of EuroVelo 8 in this part of the region. The official path mainly follows the old railway line of the *Véloroute du Calavon*, which is very comfortable and safe. But in our opinion, cyclists traveling EuroVelo 8 around the Mediterranean would discover even more treasures if the route passed through villages like Bonnieux, Lacoste, or Oppède-le-Vieux.
We were also pleasantly surprised by how safe cycling felt. Most of the route takes small local roads, but traffic is light, drivers are respectful, and road design really takes cyclists into account. It’s one of those places where you can ride peacefully even without separated bike lanes.
Our full story:
Around Luberon by bicycle - the most beautiful villages of Provence
You can also find all our cycling travel stories on the forum:
Cycling Thread - Europe’s most beautiful bike routes
Hi there, we’re a group of 4 cyclists looking to get from Treviso in Italy to Munich with our 4 non-folding bikes. It seems complicated! Are there any solutions? Thanks so much.
hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed
story being posted online soon
1100 km in 11 days
beautiful and varied regions
Hi there, we’re planning a Munich to Venice bike trip at the end of June 2026. Getting back from Venice to Toulouse by train with 4 bikes isn’t straightforward. What return options have others who’ve done this trip chosen? Any tips or great deals would be much appreciated. Thanks a bunch! !
Hi everyone,
Happy owner of a Pegasus Estremo bike with a Rohloff hub, which is giving me trouble with the SF11-NCX-FT-E-LITE 700C TS 300/0 fork (serial number TD01329060). It’s starting to show its age, and I’d like to repair it to extend the life of my beloved bike.
The suspension is gone, and there’s an oil leak from the seals.
Does anyone know how to repair it? Where can I find parts that are about fifteen years old? Or where to find an identical replacement fork? Just to clarify, the Magura HS11 brakes are mounted using Firm Tech, meaning they’re on pivots behind the fork, facing the frame.
Hi, I'd like to know if anyone has done this route recently or has reliable info.
Does the track exist, and most importantly, is there sand (for biking)?
Any info is welcome.
Cheers,
diego ambilobe: mangaoka, manondro, ramena
vohemar sambava: masondrono, tanambao
Hi there,
New to bike touring,
I’d love to start with a section of the Via Rhona to explore and share (route to be decided).
Looking forward to exchanging tips!
I’m landing in Madagascar with a buddy before the end of April 2026. We’re planning to bike around for about twenty days or so. We don’t have a specific goal other than exploring the country and meeting the locals.
Ideally, we’d prefer a loop route starting from Antananarivo with a good chunk of it along the coast. On the bike side, we’re used to riding 6 to 8 hours a day, depending on the needs, encounters, and mood 😉 Any feedback or tips from trips around this length?
A big thank you to Lazarou for all the info you share in this forum!
I'm passionate about Morocco, which I cycled through back in 2009.
Last year, my wife and I explored the High Atlas by tandem. Completely smitten, we're heading back in April (Anti Atlas) and May (High and Middle Atlas), still on our tandem.
Do you have any info on the track between Amezri and Ali Ait Nito? Are the river crossings in the Tessaout still there? It's not easy to navigate with a loaded tandem... especially if the river level is high due to this year's heavy snowmelt!
Thanks in advance for any tips you might have, and best wishes for health in this new year!
Claudio specializes in the route of the Savoie lakes
Here are his travels
Between Bornes, Chartreuse, the Savoie foothills, and Dauphiné
Five lakes: Léman, Annecy, Paladru, Aiguebelette, Bourget, not to mention a few ponds along the way
Plenty of accommodation options: camping, hotels, and more...
A lovely route not far from his place
Rural and quite peaceful
A road cycling route created by Serge B...
First of all... happy New Year! Wishing you great roads in 2017!
I’ve been traveling for a few years now with a high-quality mountain bike, but it’s equipped with hydraulic disc brakes. I live (pedal) with the constant worry of a breakdown (leak, air bubble, heat causing the fluid to...). My bike mechanic tells me it’s impossible to switch them out for V-brakes.
What do you all think? Am I taking a big risk continuing (alone) with these brakes? Thanks in advance for your great tips!
First post here to share a quick recap of our west-to-east bike trip along Algeria’s coast in January 2025.
It was just the two of us—my partner and I—with French passports and not a word of Arabic. No friends or welcoming hosts in the country.
Under those conditions, we’d strongly advise against going.
Our original plan was to follow the coast from Algiers to Tunis. We ended up cycling from Algiers to Béjaia, then took the train from Béjaia to Annaba (with a stop in Constantine), and finally biked to the border.
We were tailed by police the whole way—whether on our bikes, on the train, or even on foot while exploring towns. On top of that, we couldn’t wild camp and were limited to the few state-approved hotels that accept foreigners. Under those circumstances, connecting with locals was especially tough.
With such an omnipresent and intrusive police presence, we’d definitely recommend against this destination for bike touring. A really sad situation that completely cuts you off from the local population...
We’d been warned, we went to check it out, and we weren’t disappointed!
Hi there,
I’m planning the route to cycle from Lille to Nordkapp with my partner.
Duration: 3 months, from May 1st to July 31st, 2026.
In the attached details below, I need to add some "non-riding" days (rest days, basically).
So I’m looking to "shorten" the trip by taking ferries or trains for some stretches. Which areas could I skip?
Thanks in advance for your great tips.
Have a good evening.
https://www.komoot.com/fr-fr/collection/4023980/-lille-cap-nord-1er-mai-au-31-juillet-2026?ref=collection
I’m planning to bike back from Poland this summer. Does anyone know a way to ship it there without having to take it apart? Otherwise, it’s a real hassle to fine-tune all the settings before departure!
Thanks in advance.
Hi, has anyone recently bought Primus or Butagaz gas, possibly puncture-style, in Dubrovnik or the surrounding area? Same question for Albania... thanks. aichatou