Bonjour,
j'ai 21 ans et un peu d'argent de coté. Avec mon meilleur ami nous voudrions ouvrir un restaurant l'année prochaine à Bangkok, ville ou j'ai travaillé l'an dernier dans un restaurant francais. L'an prochain je voudrais travailler quelque mois dans un restaurant ou un grand hotel avant de me lancer dans l'ouverture de mon etablissement. Est il difficile de trouver du boulot dans cette branche (je ne sais pas si le restaurant ou je travaillé aura encore besoin de moi!) le minimum wage (salaire minimum) pour farang est il toujours d'environ 1000€/mois ? Les work permit sont t'ils tres difficile a dégoter ? Et si j'ouvre un restaurant vais-je obtenir un visa permanent ? Je possede un investisment d'environ 3, 5 a 5 millions de Baht pour le resto et environ 25 000 baht/mois pour vivre ... est ce assez ? A qui doit on s'adresser pour louer un apartement a Bkk et quels sont les conditions ? et quel genre d'appartement peut on trouver pour un loyer de 35 a 40 000 baht par mois ? Ma derniere question (excusez moi elles sont nombreuses mais je suis entrain de faire mes plans et avoir un avis avisé de quelqu'un sur place m'aiderez enormement.) Pensez vous qu'il serait plus judicieux d'ouvrir un restaurant dans un autre pays de la régions (Malaisie, Cambodge, Laos ou Vietnam.)
Merci infiniment.
Hello, I have 21 years and a little money with dimensions. With my best friend we would like to open a restaurant the next year in Bangkok, city or I worked last year in a French restaurant. The next year I would like to work some month in a restaurant or a large hotel before launching me in the opening of my establishment. It is difficult to find job in this branch (I do not know if the worked restaurant or I will still need me!) is the minimum wage (minimum wage) for farang it always of approximately 1000?/mois? The work allowed are you they very difficult A dégoter? And if I open a restaurant I will obtain a permanent visa? I possede investisment from approximately 3, 5 A 5 million Baht for the restaurant and approximately 25 000 baht/mois to live... is this enough? With which must there to address itself to rent apartement is Bkk and which are the conditions? and which kind of apartment can one find for a rent of 35 A 40 000 baht per month? My derniere question (excuse me they are numerous but I am spirit to make my plans and to have an advised opinion somebody on the spot will help me enormously.) Think that it would be more judicious to open a restaurant in another country of the areas (Malaysia, Kampuchea, Laos or Vietnam.) Thank you infinitely.
Bonjour For do visa u can look here http://www.doe.go.th/workpermit/index.htmlhttp://61.47.15.7/workpermit/th/wp/form/Form_tt2.pdf application for work-permit according section 7, have 7 page, location at Ratchada rd. 02 937 1155 for visa : 210-223 for work-permit : 310-325 they do one stop service here, have police, BOI and Department of employee here. You can do by yourself, first you go to office they will give you detail more me. after u come back prepair your document go again just waiting 1 week for answer from director, they will call you. In BKK a lot of company take care about work-permit but expensive, I have been work there for 5 year If you dont understand just pm. to me, about idea for open resturant, I have 2-3 friends open resturant but not in BKK just Pattaya and Nong bualumphu. He come from France, 31 years old he open at nongbua lumphu he open Bar-B-Q buffe (Moo-yang-korea) he not have a lot of money like you just 500, 000 bts, for rent land and buy a lot of thing at shop he work with his wife and 3 employee not the big resturant in little city, last time we visit them, he have 1 cars by cash, in France, you cant have a lot of thing like him b'coz expensive for 1 home 300, 000+, he do visa Non-O but he can work b'coz a little village no police interesting him, like in bangkok for other one he open at Pattaya 17 years ago, it good too, I dont know location very well in BKK, If you try you will successfull I dont know you single or mariage in pattaya a lot of people wedding with Thai-girl for have visa and garantee like have family in Thai a lot of way for do, but if you work 2 place (you restuarant and hotel) you will 1 work permit only but work 2 place . Hope can help you Have a nice day
thank you, that does help me ... so you think by getting married i would receive permanent visa ... thats interesting, and quiete easy to do ...! To be frank i dont like Pataya and i couldnt open a restaurant there, place is too shady, depressing i think! But maybe having a seaside restaurant in the area of koh samui would be a nice plan ... is it doable ? and tell me what about the police ? do i need to pay them ? and what about sharing holder ? do your friend have a thai partner ?
thanx again for your help !
so you think by getting married i would receive permanent visa ... thats interesting, and quiete easy to do ...!
Ce n'est pas si simple! Je suis marié à une Thaïe depuis 4 ans et cela ne me donne pas droit à un visa permanent! Le regroupement familiale en Thaïlande ça marche que si tu bosses!
Le plus important pour les moins de 50 ans est d'avoir un job avec un permis de travail.
"There is no way to happiness, happiness is the way" Buddha
"Le vrai voyageur n'a pas de plan établi et n'a pas l'intention d'arriver" Lao Tseu
ah ... mais si j'ouvre mon propre resto je vais avoir des facilités pour le work permit ? et kan est il des nouvelles lois pour les visas ? c'est vrai que desormais les farang peuvent passer seulement 90 jours par an en thailand avec des visa touristes ?
http://61.47.15.7/workpermit/listdocument.html English version
ALIEN : a natural person who is not of Thai nationality / citizenship.
WORK : the engagement in work by exerting energy or using knowledge for purpose of obtaining wages or other benefits.
ALIENS WHO ARE NOT IN THE KINGDOM OF THAILAND BUT WISH TO WORK IN THE KINGDOM MUST COMPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING:
1. Contact a Royal Thai Embassy or Consulate in you country for advice and recommendation for Granting a non-immigrant VISA.
2. Employers in Thailand may apply for a work permit for prospective alien employees who wish to work in the kingdom. After the work permit has been granted the alien may enter Thailand to receive the work permit and then start working.
ALIENS WHO ARE IN THE KINGDOM OF THAILAND AND WISH TO WORK IN THE KINGDOM MUST
COMPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING:
1. An alien who wishes to apply for a work permit under the Board of Investment (BOI) law or other similar commercial laws must file an application for a work permit within 30 days from the date he/she is allowed to work under such law.
CRIMINAL PENALTY : Any violation thereof shall be liable to pay a fine not exceeding one thousand Baht.
2. An alien who lives in the Kingdom or receives a non - immigrant VISA to live in the Kingdom can work in Thailand after having received a work permit.
CRIMINAL PENALTY : Any violation thereof shall make the employee liable for imprisonment not exceeding three months, to pay a fine not exceeding five thousand Baht, or both penalties.
3. An alien who performs work that is proscribed by the Royal decree B.E. 2522(1979) which prohibits alien employment in certain occupations and professions is liable to be imprisoned not exceeding five years, will be fined from 2, 000 to 100, 000 Baht or both penalties.
QUALIFICATIONS OF AN ALIEN ENTITLED TO APPLY FOR A WORK PERMIT
1. Having residence in the Kingdom or having permission to stay in the kingdom temporarily under immigration law (i.e not simply as a tourist or transit - traveller)
2. Not applying for work in any of the 39 reserved occupations ( as a stated in the Royal Decree. B.E.2522).
3. Having the knowledge and/or skills to perform the work as stated in the application for a work permit.
4. Not being insane or mentally sick.
5. Not being sick of leprosy, tuberculosis, drug addiction, alcoholism, and eephantitus.
6. Not having been imprisoned due to a violation of an immigration law or an alien working law within one year of applying for work permit.
VALIDITY OF WORK PERMIT
1. A work permit is issued for one year period and may be renewed every year thereafter
2. If the duration of employment of an alien is less than one year, a work permit will be granted for not longer than the period requested
3. An authorized official may grant a work permit to an alien in the Kingdom according to the necessity of work, but for not longer than one year.
4. The validity of a work permit will not exceed the validity date of the VISA "permit to stay"
5. An application for renewal of a work permit must be submitted before the expiration date of a valid work permit. If a work permit has expired, another application must be completed for a new work permit.
RATE OF GOVERNMENT FEES FOR WORK PERMIT
1. 750 Baht = not longer than three months.
2. 1, 500 Baht = longer than three months but does not exceed six months.
3. 3, 000 Baht = longer than six months but does not exceed one year.
4. For a work permit which is longer than one year, the fee will be increased for the period exceeding one year at the rate shown in items 1, 2 and 3 above.
RIGHT TO APPEAL
If a work permit is not granted, not extended, or is not allowed for a change of work and/or location;
the applicant is entitled to appeal to the Minister of Labour and Social Welfare within 30 days after
being informed of the denial. A decision will be rendered within 60 days.
PLACES TO CONTACT
Bangkok :
Office of Foreign Workers Administration
Department of Employment Ministry of Labour
Mit - Maitree Road, Dindaeng Bangkok 10400
Tel. : 245 - 2745
One Stop Service Center for Visa and Work Permit
Department of Employment
3rd Floor, Krisada Plaza Building
207 Ratchadapisek Road, Kwaeng
Dindaeng, Khet Huaykwang
Bangkok 10400
Le plus simple serait que tu contactes les gens pour qui tu as travaillé afin qu'ils t'expliquent les démarches. mais en gros, tu devras créer une société de droit thailandais où les Thais seront majoritaires. Cette société t'emploiera comme manager (tu devras en principe faire la preuve de tes compétences professionelles, diplomes, etc) afin que tu disposes d'un permis de travail qui te permette de travailler légalement. idem pour ton meilleur ami, ce qui veut dire que la société devra avoir une quinzaine d'employés thai pour justifier deux permis de travail étrangers. Le salaire que te verse la société ne pourra pas être inférieur en théorie à 50 000 bahts (idem pour ton pote) sur lesquels tu paieras bien entendu des impots. Avec les salaires de 14 thais (on va faire à la louche minimum 7000 bahts par personne plus quelques frais annexes) le restaurant devra donc dégager 200 000 bahts minimum de bénéfice pour payer les salaires, plus bien entendu le loyer, l'électircité, l'amortissement de matériel, etc... Autant dire que l'affaire aura intêret à bien marcher dès le départ pour que ta trésorerie te permette de passer le cap des deux premières années. N'oublie pas que les marges n'ont absolument rien à voir avec la France (tous les petits patrons français révent des charges thailandaises mais oublient les coefficients🏴☠️. En gros, il ne faut surtout pas oublier que les affaires sont les affaires, en france comme en Thailande et donc préparer son installation avec encore plus de minutie qu'en france. Bonne chance.....
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
Sans oublier que les 2 permis de travail etrangers seront remis en cause chaques annees par l'immigration: si le chiffre d'affaire n'est pas bon a leurs yeux, pas de renouvellement des permis de travail 🏴☠️
Sans oublier que les 2 permis de travail etrangers seront remis en cause chaques annees par l'immigration: si le chiffre d'affaire n'est pas bon a leurs yeux, pas de renouvellement des permis de travail
L'immigration n'est pas habilitée à donner ou refuser un permis de travail. C'est du ressort de l' "Office of Foreign Workers Administration" du "Department of Employment" rattaché au "Ministry of Labour". L'immigration ne contrôle pas le chiffre d'affaire de la société mais si le titulaire du visa non-immigrant paie correctement ses taxes en fonction d'un salaire minimum.
"There is no way to happiness, happiness is the way" Buddha
"Le vrai voyageur n'a pas de plan établi et n'a pas l'intention d'arriver" Lao Tseu
ce qui veut dire que la société devra avoir une quinzaine d'employés thai pour justifier deux permis de travail étrangers.
Ceci n'est pas exacte, il y a des dérogations très facile à obtenir. Un couple d'amis suisses ayant un restaurant à Kamala ont 4 permis de travail pour 4 étrangers et ils n'ont qu'une employée Thaïe. La seule chose c'est qu'il faut une société avec un capital (théorique) de 2 milions de bahts par permis de travail et que les frais annuels, notament au niveau de la comptabilité, sont plus élevés.
Le salaire que te verse la société ne pourra pas être inférieur en théorie à 50 000 bahts
C'est effectivement de la théorie car plusieurs de mes anciens collègues ont un salaire déclaré de 35'000 bahts. Pour ma part l'immigration, pour me donner un visa d'un an, m'a demandé un revenu mensuel de 40'000 bahts pour mon couple alors qu'un intervenant régulier de ce forum domicilié à Chiang Mai a du justifier d'un revenu mensuel de 60'000 bahts.
Pour le reste je partage ton avis.
"There is no way to happiness, happiness is the way" Buddha
"Le vrai voyageur n'a pas de plan établi et n'a pas l'intention d'arriver" Lao Tseu
Moi aussi je compte partir pour la thailande... j'adore ce payset puis j'ai une partie de ma famille la bas!! je suis partie au mois de juin pour trois semaines.. trop court.. dhab jy reste deux mois :D essaye de voir du coté de Phuket pour travailler dans un grand hotel, y a des beaux hotels la bas !! :D ouvre pas ton restaurant au Laos, c'est la mort la bas ya pas grand chose.. mise a part ma famille lol Je souhaite aussi monté ma société en thailande, pourras tu me dire les démarches que tu as fait? lol
😛 Bonjour, je m appelle michel et j ai lu ton annonce sur le restaurant a bangkok, je suis sur place depuis avril 2007 et je monte mon projet de creation d entreprise seul car mes associes sont en france ( un genre de starbuck coffee en centre commercial ) je peux t expliquer toutes les demarches que j ai entrepris pour mon projet, je dispose de 57 000e ou peut etre bientot plus et il me reste encore qq personnes a rencontrer pour finaliser tout cela.
je te laisse mon msn boumbeat@hotmail.com ce sera plus simple pour communiquer a moins que tu sois sur bangkok...
voici mon numero 08 49 44 66 87
Michel
PS: si ton projet a vu le jour ns pouvont qd meme echanger qq tuyaux
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