Bonjour à tous,
je prépare un voyage au Tibet avec une amie pour septembre-octobre 2007 (un mois sur place).
1-Nous pensons que l'option de prendre un vol Lyon-Chengdu serait plus rapide, simple, plutôt que Pékin ?...
Nous souhaitons en fait rejoindre Lhassa par le train : en ce qui concerne le plus haut train du monde : y a-t-il plusieurs lignes ? celle de Pékin-Lhassa et aussi celle de Chengdu à Lhassa ?
Malgré toutes les infos lues sur ce forum, j'ai du mal à en être sûre.
merci de me confirmer que cette option est bien d'actualité, sinon il nous faudrait prendre un vol pour Pékin.
2-Pour le permis TTB et le billet de train (si c'est OK depuis Chengdu), à priori, il semblerait qu'il soit assez aisé de l'acheter sur place en agence, hotel, ...?
3-D'autre part, nous terminons notre équipement de voyage : pour les sacs de couchage quelle serait la température de confort idéale pour cette période ?
merci pour vos réponses !
avec mes salutations voyageuses...
bonjour,
1/ Je te confirme que le train pekin lhassa passe bien par Chengdu, et qu'il n'y a qu'une seule et unique ligne.
2/ pour acheter ton billet ainsi que le permis je te conseil d'aller voir sur mon site perso il y a l'adresse mail d'un hotel que tu pourra contacter. l'avantage c'est qu'il prepare les papier a l'avance si tu leur envoie la copie du passeport et du visa. ca te fais gagner une journée.
moi j'ai fait le trajet en avion, il m'on prepareré le permis et le billet d'avion, une fois arrivé la changdu tout etait pret.
par contre pour le train je sais pas si il font lameme formule, le mieu c'est de leur demander.
pour le sac de couchage, j'avais un sac 0° et j'avous que sur toute les nuit que j'ai passé dehors, certaine on eté assez desagreable, notement une ou je me suis reveillé a 3h00 du mat pour allumer le rechaud dans la tente. malgres que j'ai dormis avec collant polaire + pantalon et deux paire de chaussette et 3 couche de vetement sur le haut du corps.avec gant et bonet dans une tente a double toi. c'etait au moi de mai, donc je pense que au moi de septembre octobre ca sera pire. (et je suis montagnar d'origine (briancon c'est pas loin des deux alpes ca hihihi 😉))
voila si tu as d'autre quesiton fait moi signe.
Je vais contredire Carambar :
le train qui va de Pékin à Lhassa ne passe pas par Chengdu
il 's'agit du train T27, départ Pékin 21.30 jour A, arrivée Lhassa jour C à 20.00
Ce train passe par X'ian et Lanzhou et il circule tous les jours
Le train qui circule de Chengdu à Lhassa est le T22/23, départ de Chengdu à 18.18 jour A, arrivée Lhassa jour C à 18.28, ce train circule un jour sur deux (je ne sais plus si ce sont les jours pairs ou impairs!)
Oui il est possible d'acheter permis + ticket de train à Chengdu.
Agences et guesthouses s'en chargent :
merci pour ta réponse Carambar... je vais aller voir le contact hotel sur ton site perso...
par ailleurs, quel(s) itinéraire(s) as-tu fait au Tibet ? ou quels sont les lieux qui t'ont le plus enchantés ?
nous partons sur 4 semaines en tout, et si l'on compte grosso modo 10 jours de transports (avion- train + stop à Chengdu), on dispose de trois semaines...
merci pour tes indications...
marcofolio
(PS : ai vécu à Serre Chevalier pendant 6 ans, de 93 à 98...)
Autant pour moi, j'ai confondu Chengdu et Golmud, mea culpa, je suis desolé et impardonnable.
concernant ce qu j'ai visité pendant mon sejour tu trouvera les trek que j'ai fais sur mon site.
en ce qui me concerne je suis resté 6 semaines complete, dont 2 jours de transport a l'aller et 1 jour pour le retour.
le lac namtso nomtso qu et tashi dore et un incontournable. mais evite autant que possible de faire le voyage avec une agence, c'est l'usine a touriste, pas le temps de profiter des lieu et des gens.
Gyantsé est super aussi avec le lac yamdrok, samding gompa, accessible depuis lhassa directement par contre Gyantsé est difficile d'acces a cause de la route en travaux qui est fermée en ce mometn il te faudra passer par shigatsé qui est a voir aussi,
a lhassa il faut y rester minimum une semaine pour tout voir, pendant mon sejour j'avais fait de lhassa mon lieu de repos et de retrait, j'ay ai passé quasilment la moitié du sejour sans m'ennuyer un seul instant.
le Potala, nechung deprung sera ganden(50km del hassa 1journe d'excursion deux jour si tu as le temps pour faire la kora profiter des lieux)
a voir a lhassa ausi, le jokhang, et le marché couvert de tromsingen, le temple de Ramoche de et l'institut tantrique visite rapide, improvisée au rythme de balade dan les rue
en dehors de lhassa le kailash c'est super le trjet est long mais tu vois plein de facette differente du pays aucours du voyage.
ok pour toutes ces indications...
bien sûr, on ne passe pas par une agence... trop l'habitude de voyager librement...
et c'est pourquoi il m'importait de connaitre mieux les astuces concernant ce trip moins évident à priori que d'autres en individuels.
c'est vrai que l'on se posera un peu sur Lhassa mais on a bien l'intention de marcher aussi... pendant une bonne quinzaine de jours.
je vais parcourir ton site un de ces soirs et te contacterai de nouveau si quelques détails me manquent.
en fait, une fois le billet d'avion, visa, et train en poche, le programme se fera plus sur place ; cela fait parti de l'aventure, de la découverte au quotidien, et donc du plaisir de voyager... (ai déjà fait ainsi l'Inde, le Népal, le Laddakh, le Vietnam en ce qui concerne l'Asie, et je n'en retiens que d'excellents souvenirs !)
PS : tu as fait beaucoup de photos je crois (je verrais en visitant ton site) mais peux-tu me préciser quelques éventuelles précautions, détails à savoir... j'emporte en plus d'un gros réflex numérique un compact numérique, bien sûr pour faire plus "touriste" surtout sur Lhassa...
re!
en fait voyazger au tibet est beaucoup plus simple qu'il n'en a l'aire,
les tibetain sont tres acceuillant vis a vis des occidentaux (en parti a cause de notre pouvoir d'achat mais pas seulement loin de la)
les tibetain on appris ase serrer les coude, aussi il trouverons la reponse a quasiment tout no probleme de transport logement etc etc etc...
en ce qui me concerne le tibet etait mon premier voyage, je suis parti a l'aventure complet, seul mon itineraire avait eté" preparé a l'avance, et tou s'est deroulé comme prevu j'ai eu aucun probleme auxquelle je n'aipu faire face. la pluspart on trouvé une solution asez rapidement.
concernant les photo,
j'avais un reflex numarique avec 8Go de memoire que j'ai remplis.
il vaut mieu demander avant de faire des photo ou alors les faire discretement a distance sasn eveiller l'attantion. certain endroit sont payant pour les photo (certain temple)
il faut eviter toute les photo qui pourrai etre prejudiciable au regime chinois (force de l'ordre, armée, arrestation, probleme d'environement prostituée etc etc etc) et si toutefois tu prends des photo de ce genre il faut les masquer sur ta carte mememoire (certain appareil ofre cette possibilité)
il faut respecter l'intimité des tibetain et des pelerin, certain n'oserons pas refuser la photo mais tu verra a l'eur tet qu'il ne veulent pas.. eviter aussi les photo qui pourrai faire du tort au tibetain (par exemple j'ai des photo de tibetain en train de se passer sur la tete une image du dalai lama) car les chinois visite les site internet et lorsqu'il trouve une photo compromettante il retrouve les sujet pour les punir.
mis a pars ca la liberté de prendre des photo est respecté.
a priori, je ne vois pas l'interet d'un compact numerique, mise a part lapossibilité de faire des photo volée. a toi de voir.
Bonjour à tous,
J'envisage d'emprunter la ligne Pekin-Lhassa en Janvier 2008.. est-elle ouverte toute l'année? est-ce dommage de le faire en Janvier? ( visibilité, froid?) J'ai eu au Sikkim en janvier 2005 un temps superbe et pas excessivement froid.. QQ1 peut-il me dire ce qu'il en est au Tibet?
Merci à tous.
juste une petite precision : attention au train pekin-lhassa!!!
je prepare mon voyage au tibet pour septembre et un couple qui etait à pekin il y a 2semaines a galeré pour trouver un billet, 20jours d'attente minimum! que ce soit par agence ou directement à la gare, et oui ce train est victime de son succes! ils ont meme recontré un couple qui a attendu 2mois!!!
en dialoguant avec elle, elle m'a fortement conseillé de reserver les billets à l'avance de france via internet...
Merci pour l'info, effectivement les guichets sont pris d'assaut.. et la vente interent ne fonctionne apparemment pas encore..voici un ptit lien d'information..
http://www.china.org.cn/french/246739.htm
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