Quelqu'un pourrait-il me dire combien de temps il faut pour parcourir la distance Bac Ha et Sapa en voiture ???
Certains disent que c'est 5 heures de route à travers des chemins de montagne, d'autres moins. Mes compagnons de voyage ne souhaitent pas trop de temps de voiture.
bjr
j'ai fais ce trajet en moto sous la pluie en novembre 2007 j'avais mis a l'époque 4h30 mais la route qui montait vers bac ha à l'époque , était défoncée , je l'ai refait en juin 2008 sur le sec elle était un peu mieux mais j'ai mis je pense environ 4h00
depuis je ne sais pas , car je n'y suis pas retourné mais je pense que tu mettra au moins 3h00 ou 3h30 selon l'etat de la route actuellement
cdlt
Kaoua
Si c'est 3h00 ou 3h30 de route en voiture avec chauffeur, c'est pas trop fastidieux.
Et ça tourne beaucoup ?
En fait nous sommes 5 adultes et nous partons du 29 septembre au 13 octobre prochain.
Nous allons passer quelques jours entre Sapa et Bac Ha avant notre retour sur Hanoi.
Tous les conseils seront bienvenus.
Merci
quand je dis 3h/3h30 c'est un minimum , prevoir quand mem 4h00 car sur le route au vietnam on est jamais sur de rien , en moto on arrive souvent a passer alors qu'en voiture quand c bouché hé bien faut attendre !!
oui ça tourne mais c'est une route sympa a prendre pour les paysages ,
si vous voulez etre de bonne heure au marché de bac ha le mieux c'est de dormir a bac ha le samedi soir
il y a aussi la solution de partir de bonne heure de sapa le samedi matin , passer a bac ha sans s'arreter pour aller jusqu'a can cau (marché du samedi matin - bac ha can cau il faut encore au moins une heure) puis revenir a bac ha et faire petit treck autour de bac ha l'apres midi et nuit a bac ha et aller au marche de bac ha de bonne heure le dimanche matin
cdlt kaoua
bonjour,
Bac Ha se trouve a pres de 100km de Sapa, c'est la route de montagne. autrefois la route etait mauvaise on a du mettre 5h de route, c'est vrai mais maintenant cette route est refaite. alors vous devez mettre seulement 3h de route pour y aller a partir de Sapa. il faut y aller a dimanche pour voir le marcher herdomadaire si non il n'y a rien a voir.
nous l'avons fait cet été, il faut compter plutôt 5h. A Ba Cha, ce qui vaut le coup, c'est le marché, mais sinon les paysages autour de Sapa sont à mon avis plus beaux.
c'est difficile de te donner un tel conseil ! nous n'avons pas regretté d'être allés à Ba Cha en tout cas. Pour Sapa, si tu vous voulez dormir chez l'habitant, dans une famille Dao en pleine montagne, je pourrai te donner le contact. Nous y avons passé 2 nuits et même si tu laisses le confort de côté, c'est magique !
Le bus entre Ba Cha et Sapa est "sportif" et on ne peut pas s'arrêter, d'ailleurs aucun intérêt je pense.
Pour le logement à Sapa, nous étions à Baguette et chocolat, chambre propre, lumineuse avec salle de bains. Le petit déjeuner est très bien. 25$ par nuit pour 2.
Sinon si vous souhaitez dormir chez l'habitant je vous donnerai le contact
A Ba cha, nous étions au Congfu, le lit très très dur.
Pour le train nous étions passé par notre hôtel à Hanoi que je vous conseille les yeux fermés : Prince Hôtel :
mailto:booking2@princehanoihotel.com
nous avions préféré prendre une cabine de deux personnes : 350$ pour deux aller retour. Vous ne pouvez pas réserver trop longtemps à l'avance et impossible par internet.
si autre info, n'hésitez pas
😏
si vous allez de sapa a Bac Ha en bus local, il n'y a pas d'arret au cour de la route. c'est mieux de louer un voiture privee. apres Bac Ha , le chauffeur vous depose a la frontiere chinoise pour visiter avant de vous deposer a la gare .
quant au train de Ha Noi a Lao Cai, il y a 4 trains qui partent le soir pour Lao Cai, et aussi autant de trains qui revienent a Ha Noi. c'est pas l'appel de prendre un compartiment pour 2. meme avec un compartiment pour 4 , il y a assez d'espace. environ 30 dollard/ pax.
Nous partons en octobre prochain en voyage individuel afin de visiter le nord du Vietnam donc la région de Sapa jusqu'à Bac Ha où nous prendrons un chauffeur pour le circuit Ha Giang-Méo vac- Babe. Mais j'ai quelques interrogations pour l'organisation de notre itinéraire :
2/ Si nous réservons à la gare centrale d'Hanoi nos billets pour Sapa 3 jours avant (soit le 05 pour départ samedi 08/10) est ce suffisant? sachant que nous partons un samedi veille du marché de Bac Ha (mais pas d'autres choix). Nous voulons réserver dans les compartiments 4 couchettes molles avec clim mais simple pas dans les wagons touristiques.
3/ A Lao Cai, le bus pour Sapa est il bien à la sortie de la gare? car à 5h du mat' il sera difficile de se repérer.Comme nous serons 4 adultes peut être prendre un taxi ne serait pas forcément plus cher?
4/De Sapa à Bac Ha existe t il un bus direct? sinon j'ai noté bus Sapa-Lao Cai (env.1h) puis Lao Cai-Bac Ha (env.2h), est ce à la même gare routière de Lao Cai et connaissez vous les horaires des bus Lao Cai-Bac Ha?
bonjour,
si vous voulez faire un trajet pour visiter sapa- bac ha- ha giang- dong van- meo vac..., a mon avis, il vous faut louer une voiture de 7 places avec le chaffeur. si vous prenez un bus local pendant le voyage, le bus ne s'arrete pas au cour de la route, alors vous ne pouvez pas faire des photos, en outre, il roule comme un fou, au vietnam nous l'appelons " cerceuil roulant". c'est dangereux sur la route de montagne. voyager pour admirer de beaux paysages et maitriser votre temps.
bjr
a moins que tu ne parle couramment le vietnamien , reserve plutot tes billets de train via ton hotel ou bien une des nombreuses agenses de voyage qui existent a hanoi (la commission n'est pas énorme et tu evite bien des palabres)
(si tu veux je t'indiquerai une agence de confiance en MP et tu pourras commander tes billets directement ici en france sur leur site et les retirer a hanoi, ils parlent tres bien français donc pas de probleme de langage )
devant le gare de lao cai tu trouveras les bus , mais je ne sais pas si a 5h00 il y en a (mais au vietnam la journée demarre de bonne heure)j'avais pris ce bus il y a quatre ans c'etait 20000 dong , mais maintenant je ne sais pas, en texi forcement plus cher mais plus confortable et pas d'attente (les mini bus partent lorsqu'ils sont pleins)
pour sapa - bac ha de nombreux hotels organisent l'excursion pour la journée au depart de sapa , le seul hic c'est que tu arrive en meme temps que tout le monde , moi je prefere dormir a bac ha et aller au marché a 7h00 du mat bien avant le flot de touristes qui arrivent tous de sapa (si vous ne voulez pas dormir a bac ha et que vous avez les moyens , le mieux c'est d'affreter un vehicule privé en specifiant que vous voulez partir de sapa tres tot (environ 5h00 du mat pas apres)
sinon je ne connais pas les horaires de bus car j'ai toujours fais ce trajet en moto
cdlt
kaoua
1/ Nous voulons prendre le samedi 08/10 au soir le train Hanoi-Lao Cai puis Sapa (séjour de 3 jours), je me suis renseignée auprès de notre hôtel pour la résa des billets de train, et consulté sur le net des agences, les prix sont beaucoup plus chers car je pense qu'ils ne vendent que dans les wagons touristiques, alors que sur le site train vietnam il y a des compartiments 4 couchettes molles avec clim qui m'ont l'air très bien pour env.420.000dg soit 15€/aller/pers. Donc, je voulais surtout savoir si réserver seulement 3 jours avant pour départ un samedi soir s'était jouable et puis d'autres voyageurs ont déjà réservé directement sur place, j'ai déjà la catégorie du wagon.
2/Ensuite le mardi après midi (si bus) nous voulons rejoindre Bac Ha (je sais nous manquons les marchés mais pas le choix), donc existe t il un bus direct Sapa-Bac Ha et quels sont les horaires ? ou Sapa-Lao Cai et Lao Cai- Bac Ha?
3/ Et le lendemain, nous rejoindrons notre chauffeur et sa voiture pour faire le circuit Ha Giang - Babe (env.6 jours).
Il n'y a pas de bus direct Sapa Bac ha : il faut changer à Lao Cai et il faut bien compter au moins 4h de route.
Nous l'avons fait cet été mais nous étions d'abord aller à Bac Ha pour le marché du dimanche et sommes ensuite allés à Sapa par une navette d'une agence de treck de Sapa qui était venu pour la matinée au marché de Bac Ha et chez qui nous avions réservé un treck à Sapa.
Si il n'y a pas grand chose à voir à Bac Ha ormis le marché, par contre il y a très peu de touristes la semaine et les gens sont absolument adorables. Il y règne beaucoup de calme par rapport à Sapa, aucune pression pour acheter quoique ce soit et la population n'est que sourire.
Npous avons beaucoup aimé cette ville.
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30/09: Explore Munduk and surroundings, overnight in Munduk
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02/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud
03/10: Explore Ubud and surroundings, overnight in Ubud
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06/10: Komodo cruise
07/10: Komodo cruise, flight to Denpasar in the late afternoon/evening or overnight in Labuan Bajo.
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