Voyage en Argentine janvier 2016
by Joja4950
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonjour
nous sommes 2 couples retraites (très modestes) et aimerions partir un mois voire plus en argentine en janvier 2016
qui peut nous donner ddes renseignements sur les prix et les adresses de chambres chez l'habitant (nous avons fait le chili en hospedajes mais je ne trouve pas de site qui les repertorie en argentine)
nous arriverons soit vers buenos aires soit sur ushuaia
les bus sont ils surs ? cela économise une nuit d'hotel mais peut on bien dormir et en securité ?vaut il mieux prendre l'avion ou louer carrément une voiture ?
quels sont les sites incontournables ?
pouvez vous me donner un ordre d'idee des prix de bus et d'avion et location de voitures
merci beaucoup
Compliqué de vous répondre;le pays est immense et les zones d'intérêt très loin les unes des autres comme au Chili.Pour les bus c'est pareil, la formule "cama" permet de dormir à peu près correctement, j'ai parcouru le pays comme ça sans aucun problème.Louer une voiture, non, sauf pour les visites locales.A voir, BA bien sur, Iguazu, le nord ouest aux environs de Salta, Puerto Madryn mais les baleines ne seront plus là, El calafate et le glacier Perito Moreno, Ushuaia pour son aspect mythique.Vouloir tout faire représente des déplacements énormes.Pour les prix, il faut aller sur les sites divers faciles à trouver en tapant bus argentinas, pour les avions aérolinéas argentina, pour se loger c'est comme au Chili, on trouve des B§B, hostales, hostals etc à tous les prix, il suffit d'aller sur les offices de tourisme des villes ou de chercher alojamiento de ces villes.En janvier ce seront les vacances scolaires je crois et si vous pouvez retardez votre voyage ce serait sage.Allez sur le site de "petit hergé"vous saurez tout ou presque sur le pays.
Bonjour Jose,
qui peut nous donner ddes renseignements sur les prix et les adresses de chambres chez l'habitant (nous avons fait le chili en hospedajes mais je ne trouve pas de site qui les repertorie en argentine)
A ma connaissance... très peu de chambres chez l'habitant sont pour ce pays, répertoriées (et surtout centralisées) sur le Net. Tu auras donc plus de chance de les trouver, en te renseignant une fois arrivé sur place. J'ai moi-même logé dans quelques endroits d'Argentine (et du Chili) en utilisant ce type de structure, mais il y trop longtemps de cela pour que les informations que je pourrais te donner soient encore valables ! C'était à une époque où je ne réservais absolument rien de rien et où l'on trouvait quelque soit la saison, toujours à se loger ! 😉 Mes autres plus récents séjours se sont faits en hôtels.
*Un petit tuyau : tu peux trouver sur le site "Ruta0.com" (un peu l'équivalent Argentin du site Michelin servant à préparer ses itinéraires routiers) un assez grand nombre de petits hôtels familiaux qui ne sont pas du tout affiliés à de grosses centrales de réservation de type "Booking.com"
les bus sont ils surs ? cela économise une nuit d'hotel mais peut on bien dormir et en sécurité ?
Les bus Argentins sont assez peu chers, souvent très confortables et on peut y dormir en toute sécurité (en prenant bien entendu les habituelles précautions d'usage que l'on est toujours censé prendre lorsque l'on voyage, et ce... dans n'importe quel pays au monde, y compris en France) ! 🙂
Mis à part quelques axes routiers qui sont encore à l'état de (bonnes) pistes, l'ensemble du réseau routier Argentin est vraiment très correct, voire même souvent excellent.
vaut il mieux prendre l'avion ou louer carrément une voiture ?
Très sincèrement et au vu des énormes distances qu'il te faudra parfois parcourir entre les différents points d'intérêt, je te conseille plutôt de privilégier (si tu le peux financièrement) l'avion pour les très grandes distances, et le bus ou le véhicule de location pour les moyennes et les courtes distances.
*Un conseil au sujet de la location d'un véhicule : essaye dans la mesure du possible de toujours effectuer tes circuits en boucle, afin de prendre et de restituer ton véhicule au même endroit 😉 car les frais d'abandon (Drop-off) sont très chers en Argentine (et aussi au Chili) !
quels sont les sites incontournables ?
Comme te l'a déjà un peu suggéré "Capiste", il est toujours extrêmement difficile de conseiller quelqu'un (que l'on ne connait pas) à ce sujet ! 😕 Tout comme il l'a fait, je te suggère également de consulter le site (très complet) publié sur ce même forum, par le membre "Hergé". Cela te permettra de déjà te faire une assez bonne idée de ce que tu pourras être amené à visiter au cours de ton séjour, dans ce pays regorgeant de fabuleuses petites merveilles de la nature.
Une dernière petite chose : il me semble que le mois de février soit dans ce pays (idem au Chili) tout autant fréquenté (sinon plus) par les touristes locaux, que le mois de janvier. Car les saisons étant inversées dans l'hémisphère austral, ces deux mois correspondent à nos mois de juillet et août, et se trouvent donc être en pleine période estivale ! 😉
Bonne préparation et très bon voyage ! 😎 Marco
qui peut nous donner ddes renseignements sur les prix et les adresses de chambres chez l'habitant (nous avons fait le chili en hospedajes mais je ne trouve pas de site qui les repertorie en argentine)
A ma connaissance... très peu de chambres chez l'habitant sont pour ce pays, répertoriées (et surtout centralisées) sur le Net. Tu auras donc plus de chance de les trouver, en te renseignant une fois arrivé sur place. J'ai moi-même logé dans quelques endroits d'Argentine (et du Chili) en utilisant ce type de structure, mais il y trop longtemps de cela pour que les informations que je pourrais te donner soient encore valables ! C'était à une époque où je ne réservais absolument rien de rien et où l'on trouvait quelque soit la saison, toujours à se loger ! 😉 Mes autres plus récents séjours se sont faits en hôtels.
*Un petit tuyau : tu peux trouver sur le site "Ruta0.com" (un peu l'équivalent Argentin du site Michelin servant à préparer ses itinéraires routiers) un assez grand nombre de petits hôtels familiaux qui ne sont pas du tout affiliés à de grosses centrales de réservation de type "Booking.com"
les bus sont ils surs ? cela économise une nuit d'hotel mais peut on bien dormir et en sécurité ?
Les bus Argentins sont assez peu chers, souvent très confortables et on peut y dormir en toute sécurité (en prenant bien entendu les habituelles précautions d'usage que l'on est toujours censé prendre lorsque l'on voyage, et ce... dans n'importe quel pays au monde, y compris en France) ! 🙂
Mis à part quelques axes routiers qui sont encore à l'état de (bonnes) pistes, l'ensemble du réseau routier Argentin est vraiment très correct, voire même souvent excellent.
vaut il mieux prendre l'avion ou louer carrément une voiture ?
Très sincèrement et au vu des énormes distances qu'il te faudra parfois parcourir entre les différents points d'intérêt, je te conseille plutôt de privilégier (si tu le peux financièrement) l'avion pour les très grandes distances, et le bus ou le véhicule de location pour les moyennes et les courtes distances.
*Un conseil au sujet de la location d'un véhicule : essaye dans la mesure du possible de toujours effectuer tes circuits en boucle, afin de prendre et de restituer ton véhicule au même endroit 😉 car les frais d'abandon (Drop-off) sont très chers en Argentine (et aussi au Chili) !
quels sont les sites incontournables ?
Comme te l'a déjà un peu suggéré "Capiste", il est toujours extrêmement difficile de conseiller quelqu'un (que l'on ne connait pas) à ce sujet ! 😕 Tout comme il l'a fait, je te suggère également de consulter le site (très complet) publié sur ce même forum, par le membre "Hergé". Cela te permettra de déjà te faire une assez bonne idée de ce que tu pourras être amené à visiter au cours de ton séjour, dans ce pays regorgeant de fabuleuses petites merveilles de la nature.
Une dernière petite chose : il me semble que le mois de février soit dans ce pays (idem au Chili) tout autant fréquenté (sinon plus) par les touristes locaux, que le mois de janvier. Car les saisons étant inversées dans l'hémisphère austral, ces deux mois correspondent à nos mois de juillet et août, et se trouvent donc être en pleine période estivale ! 😉
Bonne préparation et très bon voyage ! 😎 Marco
Bonjour,
Les bus sont très sûrs, mais je les ai trouvés chers (70 entre Ushuaia et Perito si mes souvenirs sont bons, entre 100 et 150 euros entre Perito Moreno et Barriloche- on est très loin des prix Péruviens et Boliviens, et la marge de négociation est très courte).
En un mois, nous avons fait : Iguazu (immanquable), BA, Puerto Madryn (pas d'intérêt en période sans baleines), Ushuaia pour son côté myhtique (pensez à réserver à l'avance pour les hôtels...), la ville n'est pas top mais autour, le parc naturel et le glacier sont beaux, Perito Merinole glacier, El Calafate (les 2 immanquables) et Barriloche et la région des lacs (immanquable aussi).
Pour les hôtels, je ne crois pas que vous trouviez beaucoup chez l'habitant. Mais l'offre est importante, hors Ushuaia, donc c'est ok. Les prix sont très variables, il faut comparer.
Louer une voiture est cher, les personnes que nous avons croisé et qui avaient fait ce choix les avait louées au Chili.
L'avion, aucune idée des prix.
Il vaudrait peut être mieux arriver à Ushuaia et repartir de BA.
Les bus sont très sûrs, mais je les ai trouvés chers (70 entre Ushuaia et Perito si mes souvenirs sont bons, entre 100 et 150 euros entre Perito Moreno et Barriloche- on est très loin des prix Péruviens et Boliviens, et la marge de négociation est très courte).
En un mois, nous avons fait : Iguazu (immanquable), BA, Puerto Madryn (pas d'intérêt en période sans baleines), Ushuaia pour son côté myhtique (pensez à réserver à l'avance pour les hôtels...), la ville n'est pas top mais autour, le parc naturel et le glacier sont beaux, Perito Merinole glacier, El Calafate (les 2 immanquables) et Barriloche et la région des lacs (immanquable aussi).
Pour les hôtels, je ne crois pas que vous trouviez beaucoup chez l'habitant. Mais l'offre est importante, hors Ushuaia, donc c'est ok. Les prix sont très variables, il faut comparer.
Louer une voiture est cher, les personnes que nous avons croisé et qui avaient fait ce choix les avait louées au Chili.
L'avion, aucune idée des prix.
Il vaudrait peut être mieux arriver à Ushuaia et repartir de BA.
comment prévoir les prix pour 2016 avec 40 % d'inflation?
Pour compléter les infos données par les autres personnes:
- les prix des billets d'avion dépendent si vous êtes ou non Argentins. en étant étrangers vous payerez plus.
-les prix des billets de bus sont chers. majoration de 10% si vous payez par carte de crédit.
- confort dans le bus: tout dépend si vous avez le sommeil léger. Dans le bus, vous aurez droit à des films assez bruyants. n'oubliez pas vos boules Quies. Personnellement, je ne dors pas bien dans les bus.
- pour le logement chez l'habitant: il existe un site appelé "couchsurfing". vous logez gratuitement mais un souvenir de France fera toujours plaisir.
- je ne sais pas quel est votre budget. si votre budget est " modeste", ne partez pas dans les coins du pays. restez plutôt sur une région en sachant q la Patagonie est assez chère.
- pensez au climat: Buenos Aires en janvier, c'est un four. J'ai eu de la peine à dormir à cause de la chaleur. En plus, avec les coupures d'électricité, votre ventilateur ou AC est hors service.
Il y a 2 façons de contrôler les gens: en leur faisant peur et en les démoralisant. ( Sicko)
comment prévoir les prix pour 2016 avec 40 % d'inflation?
En octobre 2015 il y a des élections présidentielles... et tout dépendra de qui va être élu. Macri prône le libéralisme... ce qui permettrait de juguler l'inflation mais en contre-partie des privatisations seront faites et le niveau de vie devrait baisser... mauvais pour les habitants mais bon pour les touristes qui devront redoubler de vigilance. Mais comme ce pays a du mal à sortir du Péronisme il ya de fortes chances que ce soit Massa ou Scioli... l'un est un ancien kirchnériste opportuniste et corrompu et l'autre un kirchnériste contrôlé par la Campora. Dans les deux cas... il ne faut pas s'attendre à une grande évolution... populisme et corruption seront toujours à la mode avec l'un ou l'autre de ces deux candidats.
Quant au bus... ils sont chers en effet. Mais il faut relativiser en tenant compte des distances. Les prix des hôtels sont variables en fonction de la saison et de la région. Abordable à Buenos Aires, assez bon marché à Salta, hors de prix à Mar del Plata et en Patagonie. La seule différence avec la France c'est que le petit déjeuner est presque toujours inclus.
Si on parle de produits courants... le litre de lait est à 13 pesos (1,20 €), le kilo de viande à 90 pesos (8,50 €), la bouteille de 95 cl de bière (pourquoi faire simple) est à 17 pesos (1,6 €), le litre d'essence à 14 pesos (1,30 €), une bouteille de vin buvable à partir de 30 pesos (3 €), le kilo de glace à 100 pesos (9,50 €), les 4 yaourts comestibles à 21 pesos (près de 2 €)... comparez les prix et vous verrez que c'est parfois plus chers qu'en France.
Et je ne vous parle pas du prix de l'assurance voiture, de la complémentaire santé qui ne me rembourse que 40% du tarif des médicaments, du prix du gaz ou de l'électricité... tarifs dont les touristes se fichent éperdument mais qui affectent beaucoup le pouvoir d'achat des résidents. Notez à ce sujet qu'il existe une grande différence entre Buenos Aires et le reste du pays. Quand un porteño... entendez un habitant de Buenos Aires se plaint de voir sa facture de gaz passer de 40 à 160 pesos (moins de 16 euros) pour se chauffer tout le mois, cuisiner, se baigner... moi je dois payer une bombonne de gaz à 600 pesos (moins de 60 euros) qui me sert uniquement à cuisiner et chauffer l'eau chaude... car si je voulais me chauffer un peu en hiver je devrais utiliser au moins 4 bombonnes (soit environ 240 pesos).
(Tarifs garantis et constatés jour après jour par un consommateur en Argentine)
En octobre 2015 il y a des élections présidentielles... et tout dépendra de qui va être élu. Macri prône le libéralisme... ce qui permettrait de juguler l'inflation mais en contre-partie des privatisations seront faites et le niveau de vie devrait baisser... mauvais pour les habitants mais bon pour les touristes qui devront redoubler de vigilance. Mais comme ce pays a du mal à sortir du Péronisme il ya de fortes chances que ce soit Massa ou Scioli... l'un est un ancien kirchnériste opportuniste et corrompu et l'autre un kirchnériste contrôlé par la Campora. Dans les deux cas... il ne faut pas s'attendre à une grande évolution... populisme et corruption seront toujours à la mode avec l'un ou l'autre de ces deux candidats.
Quant au bus... ils sont chers en effet. Mais il faut relativiser en tenant compte des distances. Les prix des hôtels sont variables en fonction de la saison et de la région. Abordable à Buenos Aires, assez bon marché à Salta, hors de prix à Mar del Plata et en Patagonie. La seule différence avec la France c'est que le petit déjeuner est presque toujours inclus.
Si on parle de produits courants... le litre de lait est à 13 pesos (1,20 €), le kilo de viande à 90 pesos (8,50 €), la bouteille de 95 cl de bière (pourquoi faire simple) est à 17 pesos (1,6 €), le litre d'essence à 14 pesos (1,30 €), une bouteille de vin buvable à partir de 30 pesos (3 €), le kilo de glace à 100 pesos (9,50 €), les 4 yaourts comestibles à 21 pesos (près de 2 €)... comparez les prix et vous verrez que c'est parfois plus chers qu'en France.
Et je ne vous parle pas du prix de l'assurance voiture, de la complémentaire santé qui ne me rembourse que 40% du tarif des médicaments, du prix du gaz ou de l'électricité... tarifs dont les touristes se fichent éperdument mais qui affectent beaucoup le pouvoir d'achat des résidents. Notez à ce sujet qu'il existe une grande différence entre Buenos Aires et le reste du pays. Quand un porteño... entendez un habitant de Buenos Aires se plaint de voir sa facture de gaz passer de 40 à 160 pesos (moins de 16 euros) pour se chauffer tout le mois, cuisiner, se baigner... moi je dois payer une bombonne de gaz à 600 pesos (moins de 60 euros) qui me sert uniquement à cuisiner et chauffer l'eau chaude... car si je voulais me chauffer un peu en hiver je devrais utiliser au moins 4 bombonnes (soit environ 240 pesos).
(Tarifs garantis et constatés jour après jour par un consommateur en Argentine)
On ne voyage pas pour chercher son destin mais pour fuir l’endroit d’où on est parti. (Miguel de Unamuno)
L'homme est un dieu quand il rêve, et un mendiant quand il réfléchit (Friedrich Holderlin)
Bonjour,
Je n'ai pas lu tout ce que les autres ont écrit mais à ce stade de la prépa, je vous conseille de lire les carnets de voyage des uns et des autres pour affiner un peu vos envies...
Belle prépa
Je n'ai pas lu tout ce que les autres ont écrit mais à ce stade de la prépa, je vous conseille de lire les carnets de voyage des uns et des autres pour affiner un peu vos envies...
Belle prépa
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Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Then in Llachon, you can take a boat to Amantani (45 min). Same question—where do you check for frequency and schedule? After that, from Amantani, boats go to Taquile and then Uros. Do you have enough time to visit the islands between two boats? Frequency and schedule?
The goal is to do this tour independently (no agency) over 2 days. Thanks for any tips you might have!
Hey everyone,
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
I just got back from a trip to Bolivia and wow—what a wake-up call. It’s not the easiest country, but it’s absolutely stunning.
I started with Isla del Sol, perfect for easing into the altitude at a relaxed pace. Try to stay in the northern part of the island—it’s quieter and the views are insane. And the trout there? Unreal. Quick tip: bring cash in small bills; they almost never have change, and cards are rarely accepted.
Next up, La Paz. The city’s pretty wild, built in every direction. I did a few hikes in the area, including the famous Charquini Lagoon (the blue lake) at over 5,000 m—let’s just say I struggled 😅 but it was so beautiful it was totally worth it.
After that, I headed to Sajama. It’s cool, especially for the hot springs, and I stayed in Tomarapi. But honestly, if you’re short on time, you can skip it without too many regrets.
The highlight of the trip: the Salar. I did it starting from Tupiza, and I *highly* recommend going Tupiza → Uyuni. Way less crowded at the start and the landscapes are super varied. For the tour, I used SplitYourGuide to find a group, and it worked out great. Super handy for splitting costs and meeting people.
I wrapped up in Sucre—this city is gorgeous, all white, with such a chill vibe. And the salteñas + ice cream? Next level 😋
Bottom line: Bolivia’s a bit rough around the edges, sometimes exhausting (shoutout to the altitude), but it’s 1000% worth it.
If you’ve got questions or need tips, I’m happy to help! Martin
hi,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
I was planning to go to Réunion and stay in half-board accommodation with non-professionals, but it seems that’s not really the custom there—or maybe my budget isn’t big enough.
So, since I’ve already traveled around Ecuador and Peru, I’m now looking at Argentina, especially for its mountains (like the ones in Réunion that tempted me, even though—frustratingly—I could only admire them from below).
I plan to get around by bus and don’t know in advance where I’ll sleep, so I won’t book ahead. If I like a place, I might stay for several days.
I know that in Chile, it’s easy to find half-board accommodation, but what about in Argentina?
I’d like to stay with locals in half-board without it being a professional setup. I’m not sure if this is common practice there. It’s up to me to find someone willing to host me. What do you think? What would be a fair price (keeping in mind that 40 to 50 € is the max I can spend on accommodation, breakfast, and dinner)?
Looking forward to your feedback.
Best regards,
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Patagonia for three weeks in November, starting from Coyhaique in Chile.
We won’t have a car, and I’m struggling to find information about transportation options for a few parts of the itinerary we’d like to do:
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
1) From Perito Moreno (the town, near Los Antiguos), we’d like to travel down Ruta 40 to visit Perito Moreno National Park and then cross into Chile via the Paso Roballos (at the latitude of Bajo Caracoles) to reach the road to Cochrane. Without a car, it seems we’ll need to use private agencies to get to the national park—do you have any recommendations or suggestions? Also, does anyone know if it’s possible to cross into Chile via Paso Roballos (from Bajo Caracoles) without a rental car? That is, without having to go all the way down to El Chaltén or back up toward Perito Moreno/Los Antiguos, etc.?
2) The second stretch that seems a bit tricky (though still easier, in theory) is from Caleta Tortel to Villa O’Higgins on the Chilean side. Do we have to go back through Cochrane, or are there ways to get directly from Tortel to Villa O’Higgins?
3) Finally, we’d like to hike into Argentina (El Chaltén) from O’Higgins. Any recommendations for this? Do we need to go through an agency? What’s the estimated duration of the trek?
As you’ve probably gathered, we want to visit some off-the-beaten-path spots but don’t have a car, so we’re looking for the best possible compromises.
Thanks so much in advance for all your suggestions! Thomas
Hi,
we’re planning a round trip from San Pedro de Atacama, Chile, to Salta, Argentina, in two months. On the way there, we’ll take the northern route via Susques, Route 27, then 52. But for the return, we were thinking of taking the southern route via San Antonio de los Cobres, Route 51, then 23. Is it similar to the northern route in terms of road surface? How busy is it, and are there gas stations? Basically, should we be worried about doing it in an SUV that’s supposedly 4x4 but has regular road tires and no second spare wheel, obviously...
I’ve seen that we can stop over in San Antonio de los Cobres.
Thanks for your feedback.
Raf.
Hi,
we’ll be in Calama at the end of March 2026, and I’m looking for a reliable car rental there for a 7-day road trip to Salta, Argentina. But I’m struggling with the car rental agencies in Calama because the reviews can be scary. I saw Gyg, which has great ratings, but I’m a bit wary (5/5 from 59 reviews—either the guy’s amazing or it’s fake...), but I can’t find any recent reviews on VF in general.
For Punta Arenas, I booked with Dachelet and didn’t have any issues with email exchanges.
Thanks in advance.
Raf.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
I’m planning the trip of my dreams for next November—Chile! I’d love to get your thoughts on my potential itinerary. I know it’s a big investment in terms of both time and money, so every bit of feedback, suggestion, or info helps immensely. Thank you in advance!!
1-Flight to Santiago
2-Explore Santiago
3-Explore Santiago
4-Bus from STG to Valpo (2h) + visit Valparaíso + night in Viña
5-Visit Valparaíso + bus back to STG (2h)
6-Flight to Calama + bus to San Pedro + explore and acclimate in San Pedro + car rental in the afternoon (+Chaxa?)
7-(Very early) Valle del Arcoíris + Laguna Cejar + Valle de la Luna
8-Laguna Miñiques & Miscanti + Salar de Talar + Laguna Tuyajto
9-Geysers El Tatio early in the morning + Cañón de Guatín + return car
10-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
11-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
12-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni
13-Excursion to Salar de Uyuni + return to San Pedro for the night
14-Bus to Calama + flight Calama-La Serena + explore La Serena
15-Excursion to Reserva Pingüino + bonus time (sunset at Playa Tongoy or elsewhere...)
16-Rent a car in Pisco Elqui & Vicuña + Observatory
17-Return car in La Serena + flight Santiago & Puerto Montt (4h)
18-Rent a 4x2 car + drive to Temuco (4h)
19-Reserva Nacional Malalcahuello + hike + night in Temuco
20-Parque Nacional Conguillío then drive and night in Pucón
21-Villarrica Volcano
22-Parque Huerquehue
23-Activities on-site
24-Drive to Valdivia + explore and night there
25-Drive to Puerto Varas (via Frutillar, etc.) + activities on-site
26-Salto Las Cascadas + Parque Nacional Vicente Pérez Rosales (Salto del Petrohué) + Canoeing/Rafting?
27-Drive to Parque Alerce Andino (round trip 3h) + hike Sendero Sargazo?
28-Drive to Castro + explore Chiloé and night in Castro
29-Explore Chiloé
30-Explore Chiloé + return to Puerto Varas
31-Drive to Cochamó (1h30) + drive to Hornopirén (2h30)
32-Ferry to Caleta Gonzalo + drive to Chaitén (1h20)
33-Parque Nacional Pumalín, night in Chaitén
34-Drive to Puyuhuapi + Sendero Ventisquero Yelcho?
35-Ventisquero Colgante + drive to Coyhaique
36-Drive to Villa Cerro Castillo
37-Hike Cerro Castillo
38-Drive to Puerto Río Tranquilo
39-Excursion to Glaciar Exploradores
40-Mármol Cathedral + lake activities
41-Drive to Cochrane
42-Parque Patagonia
43-Drive to Chile Chico
44-Ferry Chile Chico-Ibañez + drive to Coyhaique + drop off car
45-Flight to Punta Arenas (1h30) + explore the city
46-Rent a car + drive to Puerto Natales
47-Drive to Torres del Paine in the morning + hike to the base of the towers (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
48-Torres del Paine hike 2 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
49-Torres del Paine hike 3 (return to Puerto Natales for the night)
50-Drive to Punta Arenas
51-Flight Punta Arenas-Santiago + flight Santiago-Buenos Aires (2h)
52-Explore Buenos Aires
53-Explore Buenos Aires
54-Explore Buenos Aires
55-Flight back to France
Good evening,
We’d love to go in November to enjoy some beautiful beaches for about two weeks, preferably around Bahia, as November/December seems like a great time.
We’ve already traveled to Brazil several times and know the south of Rio as well as the region between São Luís and Fortaleza, and Chapada Diamantina...
What advice would you give us: the south with Itaparica, Morro de São Paulo, Boipeba, Barra Grande—or all four? Or maybe the north?
Thanks in advance for your help
Hi everyone, it’s been a while since I last posted!
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
First time in South America for me, my wife, and our 7-year-old son. I’ve put together this itinerary and would love to hear your thoughts:
Bogotá 28/07 – 30/07: Arrival. Which neighborhood and outings would you recommend? Flight to
2 Filandia 30/07 – 03/08: (255 €). Waterfalls and horseback riding, Cocora Valley, Hiking, Nearby villages. Flight to 3 Tayrona 03/08 – 07/08: Hotel La Casablanca
Hike with Tierra Nevada and the Kogui village (any feedback?). Return by inner tube for the little one. Short night hike. Second hike to La Piscina, etc., return by 🐎.
4 Cartagena 07/08 – 10/08: Air-conditioned bus. Staying in Getsemaní? Mangroves & the Castle, exploring the city.
5 Bogotá 10/08 – 12/08
Feel free to share your feedback! Have a great day!
Seb
Hi,
During an upcoming trip to Peru, we’ll have one day to explore around Arequipa (excluding Colca Canyon) with a car and driver.
We’ve got a few options:
- Toro Muerto petroglyphs and dinosaur footprints at Querulpa
- Ruta del Sillar and Quebrada de Culebrillas
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
What do you think? Any recommendations?
Thanks in advance! Larri
We’re a group of 6 friends with an average age of 70, all mobile, and we’re planning a trip to Peru in September/October 2026. Below is an idea of what we’re looking for: a French-speaking guide, accommodation in 3-star hotels or homestays with comfort.
Duration: 16 to 20 days on-site.
Visit the main sites with immersion in the culture and way of life.
Which francophone agency in Peru would you recommend? Thanks
Hi there!
I’m putting together my itinerary for Brazil, looking for beautiful natural spots with wildlife, flora, and great hikes...
I’ve come across the Cananeia / Super Agui / Ilha do Mel region and the PETAR / Intervales / Alto Ribeira area.
Has anyone here been to these places? If so, do you have any recommendations for accommodations and activities?
Thanks in advance!
Best,
Olivier 🌍
Hello,
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
I’ll be in ARICA in northern Chile at the end of May 2026 and want to get to TACNA. Are there taxis, buses, or collectivos that run the border crossing route?
After that, bus to AREQUIPA (Peru): any bus company you’d recommend?
Hi there,
We’re spending 3 weeks in Brazil, arriving in São Paulo—a couple plus a teen—and we’ll have a rental car.
We especially love nature: hiking, wildlife watching, birds, etc.
We’re planning to wrap up with a week around Paraty and Ilha Grande.
We’re not really into visiting big cities like São Paulo or Rio unless you think we’d be missing out big time.
So we’ve got 2 weeks to explore the south/southwest region of São Paulo. What do you recommend? National parks? Off-the-beaten-path nature spots? Iguazu Falls?
Thanks in advance for all your tips!
So we’ve got 2 weeks to explore the south/southwest region of São Paulo. What do you recommend? National parks? Off-the-beaten-path nature spots? Iguazu Falls?
Thanks in advance for all your tips!
Hi there,
Do you have any recommendations for comfortable accommodation in Leyva and Barichara? We're also looking for a guide to explore the areas around these two towns (parks, waterfalls, etc.).
Thanks for your tips!
I visited Colombia in January 2016 and I’m heading back from August 6th to 17th with the same airline to see how things have changed. Starting August 18th, I’ll continue with independent exploration. I prefer slow travel and enjoying places at my own pace.
Any tips—especially for getting around or must-see spots—are welcome!
Thu Aug 06. Fly Montreal to Bogotá 20:55-04:05+1 Air Canada Fri Aug 07. Bogotá Sat Aug 08. Bogotá Sun Aug 09. Bogotá Mon Aug 10. Fly Bogotá to Medellín Tue Aug 11. Medellín - Explore Guatapé Wed Aug 12. Comuna 8 & Hill of Values - PM Fly to Pereira Thu Aug 13. Montenegro Fri Aug 14. Salento - Cocora Valley Sat Aug 15. Fly to Cartagena Sun Aug 16. Explore Cartagena Mon Aug 17. Explore Cartagena Tue Aug 18. Fly Cartagena to Cali 12:20-14:55 Latam Wed Aug 19. Cali Thu Aug 20. Cali Fri Aug 21. Cali Sat Aug 22. Bus Cali to Popayán 09:00-13:00 Sun Aug 23. Popayán Mon Aug 24. Popayán Tue Aug 25. Popayán - Day trip to Silvia (Market Day) Wed Aug 26. Overland Popayán to Tierradentro by public transportation 4h, 100km Thu Aug 27. Tierradentro Fri Aug 28. Tierradentro Sat Aug 29. Overland Tierradentro to Garzón via La Plata Sun Aug 30. Bus Garzón to San Agustín 10:30-13:00 Mon Aug 31. San Agustín Tue Sep 01. San Agustín Wed Sep 02. San Agustín Thu Sep 03. San Agustín Fri Sep 04. Overland San Agustín to Tatacoa Desert via Neiva Sat Sep 05. Tatacoa Desert Sun Sep 06. Fly to Bogotá via Neiva 16:00-17:00 Latam Mon Sep 07. Bogotá Tue Sep 08. Fly Bogotá to Montreal 09:00-16:30 Air Canada
Thu Aug 06. Fly Montreal to Bogotá 20:55-04:05+1 Air Canada Fri Aug 07. Bogotá Sat Aug 08. Bogotá Sun Aug 09. Bogotá Mon Aug 10. Fly Bogotá to Medellín Tue Aug 11. Medellín - Explore Guatapé Wed Aug 12. Comuna 8 & Hill of Values - PM Fly to Pereira Thu Aug 13. Montenegro Fri Aug 14. Salento - Cocora Valley Sat Aug 15. Fly to Cartagena Sun Aug 16. Explore Cartagena Mon Aug 17. Explore Cartagena Tue Aug 18. Fly Cartagena to Cali 12:20-14:55 Latam Wed Aug 19. Cali Thu Aug 20. Cali Fri Aug 21. Cali Sat Aug 22. Bus Cali to Popayán 09:00-13:00 Sun Aug 23. Popayán Mon Aug 24. Popayán Tue Aug 25. Popayán - Day trip to Silvia (Market Day) Wed Aug 26. Overland Popayán to Tierradentro by public transportation 4h, 100km Thu Aug 27. Tierradentro Fri Aug 28. Tierradentro Sat Aug 29. Overland Tierradentro to Garzón via La Plata Sun Aug 30. Bus Garzón to San Agustín 10:30-13:00 Mon Aug 31. San Agustín Tue Sep 01. San Agustín Wed Sep 02. San Agustín Thu Sep 03. San Agustín Fri Sep 04. Overland San Agustín to Tatacoa Desert via Neiva Sat Sep 05. Tatacoa Desert Sun Sep 06. Fly to Bogotá via Neiva 16:00-17:00 Latam Mon Sep 07. Bogotá Tue Sep 08. Fly Bogotá to Montreal 09:00-16:30 Air Canada
Hi there,
Three years ago during a trip to Java (no, I didn’t post in the wrong forum!), I came across the address of former miners who had switched to “tourism” and organized nighttime ascents of the Kawah Ijen volcano and descents into the crater.
So I was thinking—maybe there are miners on the salt flats too, either former or still active, who do the same thing. If you’ve had an experience like this, I’d love any tips you can share.
Thanks in advance.
Hi there, since there isn’t much recent info on how to get to MP, I’d love to know if there have been any improvements to the "route" to Hydroelectrica. Is it feasible to drive there in February? And is it still possible to walk all the way to Aguas Calientes? I think I read somewhere that it’s no longer allowed??
Do you think I can buy Machu Picchu entrance tickets last-minute at that time of year, given the weather?
Hello everyone!
A group of friends and I are heading to Brazil in March 2019 and we’d love to attend the Carnival parade. I could really use your help because I’m struggling to find reviews for online ticket sellers for Carnival. I came across rio-carnival—is this a reliable agency? Do you have other agencies to recommend or experiences to share? Any advice is welcome.
Thanks! 🙂 Marine
A group of friends and I are heading to Brazil in March 2019 and we’d love to attend the Carnival parade. I could really use your help because I’m struggling to find reviews for online ticket sellers for Carnival. I came across rio-carnival—is this a reliable agency? Do you have other agencies to recommend or experiences to share? Any advice is welcome.
Thanks! 🙂 Marine
Everything You Need to Know About Argentina’s Currency Exchange Maze (2026 Edition)
Hi fellow travelers,
Packing your bags for Buenos Aires? Watch out—here, money is a science almost as complex as the dance steps in a tango!
As of March 2026, the situation has shifted dramatically: the "Blue" (parallel) rate is now neck-and-neck with the official rate. To save you from losing your hard-earned euros in bureaucratic mazes or "disastrous" exchange rates, I’ve laced up my reporter boots and hit the famous Calle Florida for you.
In my latest video (and the accompanying article), I take you behind the scenes of currency exchange:
Arbolitos and Cuevas: Who are they, and can you still trust them? The Rate Showdown: Why Banco Nación is currently the worst place for your savings. Western Union: Why it’s often your best ally right now. Cash or Card? The little secret to getting an instant 10–15% discount at restaurants or hotels. The Bill Trap: Why your 500 € notes or stained dollars might stay in your wallet.
Argentina changes fast—*very* fast (by the end of March, today’s advice might already be old news!). So don’t leave without checking the market’s pulse.
Check out all my tips in the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKmKFux4fpQ
And remember: in Argentina, don’t exchange money on weekends—unless you want your cash to melt like snow in the sun!
Safe travels, and see you on the road! Hergé
Packing your bags for Buenos Aires? Watch out—here, money is a science almost as complex as the dance steps in a tango!
As of March 2026, the situation has shifted dramatically: the "Blue" (parallel) rate is now neck-and-neck with the official rate. To save you from losing your hard-earned euros in bureaucratic mazes or "disastrous" exchange rates, I’ve laced up my reporter boots and hit the famous Calle Florida for you.
In my latest video (and the accompanying article), I take you behind the scenes of currency exchange:
Arbolitos and Cuevas: Who are they, and can you still trust them? The Rate Showdown: Why Banco Nación is currently the worst place for your savings. Western Union: Why it’s often your best ally right now. Cash or Card? The little secret to getting an instant 10–15% discount at restaurants or hotels. The Bill Trap: Why your 500 € notes or stained dollars might stay in your wallet.
Argentina changes fast—*very* fast (by the end of March, today’s advice might already be old news!). So don’t leave without checking the market’s pulse.
Check out all my tips in the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKmKFux4fpQ
And remember: in Argentina, don’t exchange money on weekends—unless you want your cash to melt like snow in the sun!
Safe travels, and see you on the road! Hergé




