Je suis depuis janvier 2008 sur Hangzhou dans le cadre d'un stage. Je compte faire un petit tour de la chine avant de rentrer en France le 30 mars.
Mais j'aimerais savoir quel itinaire pourrait etre le mieu, sachant que je veux absolument prendre le pékin lhassa pour aller au tibet, que j'aimerais bien aussi voir la muraille.
J'ai donc pensé commencer par shanghai - lhassa, mais après j'aimerais savoir si il existe une ligne passant par des endroit sympa à découvir allant de lhassa à pékin.
Le truc c'est que j'aimerais bien aller partout mais bon je ne pense pas pouvoir avoir plus que 15 jours devant moi, et étant encore étudiant je ne peux pas me permettre de prendre trop l'avion, à moins qu'il existe de low cost chinois ?? lol
De plus, existe t'il un site pour rencontrer des voyageurs ? car j'ai bien pensé essayer de rencontrer des gens interressés part un tel voyage ici, mais hangzhou est la ville la moins cocmopolite que je connaisse (magnifique ceci dit), je ne parle pas chinois, et je travaille la nuit, bref pas les meilleur condition pour trouver un groupe de voyageur pour me joindre à eux.
Non je repart de shanghai... mais c'est pour moi le seul endroit ou je suis sur de vouloir aller donc sinon tam pis pour pékin et la muraille mais je compte pas non plus rester une semaine à lhassa...
Ba moi, plus que l'endroit c'est le train qui m'attire dans ce voyage, de tout ce que j'ai peu lire il parrait que c'est vraiment magnifique de faire Shanghai-Lhassa
sinon niveau budget, environ 600€ soit l'argent gagné pendant mon stage lol, bon si qq chose vaut vraiment le coup je peux rallonger un pt peux mais le contraire serait mieu, car pour ce qui est logements le moins cher sera parfait
oui je sais mais il passe par shanghai après un jour de voyage, ce qui réduit pour moi à 2 jours de train, et je pense que c'est après shanghai que ca devient vrément superbe
ba cela est peut etre neuf, car pour le nouvel an je devais faire shanghai - lhassa ; lhassa - chengdu puis finir en avion avant que la neige me pousse à annuler...
donc peut etre existe t il un autre train qui ne passe pas par shanghai mais bon de toute facon je pense que le voyage de celui ci doit etre magnifique également
enfin ce qui est sur c'est que en train je peux etre en 2 jours à lhassa, c'est après que mon voyage bloque... tu penses que rester une dixaine de jours au tibet vaut le coup ??
de toute facon je sais que j'aurais le tps que de faire qu'une minuscule partie de la chine...
Oui une dizaine de jours au Tibet ca vaut le coup !
Il faut compter un temps d'acclimation de 3-4 jours une fois à Lhassa. Tu en profites pendant ce temps là pour visiter la ville. Ensuite tu peux descendre au camp de base pour voir l'Everest (4 jours aller retour depuis Lhassa), puis Gyantsé (aller retour en 2-3 jours depuis Lhassa) puis le lac Namtso (aller retour en 2 jours depuis Lhassa).
Il y a des trains pour Lhasa au depart de Chengdu, Chongqing, Pekin, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Lanzhou et Xining. Tous convergent vers Xining. Ceux de Pekin et Shanghai passent par Xian. Voila pour les infos pratiques.
Le voyage en train n'est pas forcement extraordinaire, les paysages sont loin d'etre fantastiques, mais l'experience est sympa. Perso, j'ai fait le retour en avion (Lhasa-Shanghai), j'ai trouvé ça magique de survoler des pics à 6000-7000 m alors qu'on vole a peine a 10.000 m, on a l'impression de presque pouvoir toucher les glaciers (mais bon, forcement plus cher que le train : 2000RMB au lieu de 800 pour une couchette dure).
Question de temps : c'est sûr que 3 semaines, c'est peu, mais ca permet deja une bonne approche. C'est plus de temps que ce que la majorite des touristes au Tibet ont. Compter 4 jours de voyage A/R, 2-3 jours d'acclimation, il reste 2 semaines. L'ideal est de faire une pause à Lanzhou et d'aller 4-5 jours du côté de Linxia (ville Hui), Xiahe (monastère de Lambrang) et Tongren. Region tres chouette et qui permet une bonne acclimation (entre 2500 et 3200m je crois). Et puis c'est plus facile d'obtenir un billet de train depuis Lanzhou sans permi.
Les trucs que j'ai preféré : me promener autour du Jokhang pendant des heures, le monastère de Gandem, le tour du Yamdrok Tso (lac à 2h de Lhasa), le vieux quartier tibétain de Gyantse, la kora autour du monastère de Shigatse, les paysages lunaires, les batailles de boules de neige dans les rues de Lhasa.
Je viens de relire le message de ece2010Fx, ce n'est pas 3 mais seulement 2 semaines qu'il a. Ca fait quand même une dizaine de jours sur place, le temps de profiter de Lhasa et des environs 4-5 jours, puis 5 jours pour le classique circuit de l'EBC (qui passe par Yamdrok Tso, Gyantse et Shigatse), et eventuellement un tour au Namtso selon temps et budget.
Question budget : 1600 RMB A/R en train, 1000 RMB pour le circuit de l'EBC en 4x4 (permis inclus), autour de 20-25 RMB la nuit en dortoir (60-80 pour une chambre basique), de 20 à 60 RMB/ jour pour la nourriture, environ 500 RMB pour les toutes les visites (dont 100 pour le Potala à cette saison). Ca ne devrait pas dépasser les 400-500€. Pour l'avion, les compagnies offrent souvent des discounts (jusqu'à 50%) sur certains vols réservés environ 2-3 semaines avant le départ, ça peut être intéressant. Si tu fais l'aller en avion, impossible d'échapper au fichu permi. En train, c'est plus facile (en achetant soi-même le billet à la gare).
Perso, je n'ai eu que 2 semaines 1/2 (je suis rentrée hier), j'ai adoré chaque seconde passée au Tibet. Pourtant, je connaissais déjà pas mal le Kham (Yunnan / Sichuan / Gansu), mais le Xizang (nom chinois de la province du TAR) est très différent. L'ambiance à Lhasa est vraiment magique (à condition de ne pas rester dans les quartiers chinois !), surtout en hiver quand il n'y a pas trop de touristes sur place mais beaucoup de pélerins (Nouvel An).
@ ece2010Fx : bon voyage ! N'hésite pas si tu as des questions précises.
Bonjour,
Tu sembles dire que si l'on achète le billet directement à la gare de BEIJING, on ne paie pas le permit?
Ai je bien compris?
Peux tu me donner des infos à ce sujet.
Je serai à BEIJING en sept prochain et si je peux éviter de donner 500 Y aux charmants chinois!!! pour aller à LHASSA cela m'arrange évidemment.
Le cout est il de 800 Y aller BEIJING -LHASSA?
Y a t'il des trains tous les 2 jours ou tous les jours
Ou puis je avoir les horaires
Penses tu que si je prends le billet 3 jours avant cela devrait aller?
Tu peux m'écrire directement
annebaum@wanadoo.fr
Merci pour ta réponse que j'attends avec impatience...
ROUTARDEMENT
Anne
Si tu achètes à la gare de Beijing, pas besoin de permis.
Le prix du billet Beijing-Lhassa est de 813 yuans.
Il y a des trains tous les jours (départ à 21h30 de Beijing et pour le retour départ tous les jours à 8h30 de Lhassa)
Tu peux acheter ton billet 3 jours avant, du moins en Février c'était possible !
Oui une dizaine de jours au Tibet ca vaut le coup !
Il faut compter un temps d'acclimation de 3-4 jours une fois à Lhassa. Tu en profites pendant ce temps là pour visiter la ville. Ensuite tu peux descendre au camp de base pour voir l'Everest (4 jours aller retour depuis Lhassa), puis Gyantsé (aller retour en 2-3 jours depuis Lhassa) puis le lac Namtso (aller retour en 2 jours depuis Lhassa).
Avec ça tu auras un très bon aperçu du Tibet.
Non avec ca il aura de tres belles photos mais en aucun cas un apercu (meme infime) de ce qu est le tibet.
Ca revient a dire que 2 semaines pour visiter l europe occidentale est suffisant pour en avoir un "tres bon apercu". Et grosse difference les 2 semaines qu il va passer au tibet (principalement a Lhassa en plus) ne se fera pas au contact des tibetains mais des touristes et dans le meilleur des cas avec des chinois..............
Les voyages deforment la jeunesse qu ils disaient non !!!!!!!😉
Bonjour , d'après ce que j'ai lu vous auriez peut-être pris le billet de train pour Lhassa directement à la gare sans passer par agence ? je pars fin juillet et je cherche toute info...
Je pense que nous sommes voisins j'habite à Rousset .
Roland
I’m planning a trip around Italy using only trains or public transport in October (hoping the weather stays nice!).
I’d obviously like to see some tourist destinations, but I also want to get off the beaten path a bit, and I’m hoping to find some help here? I don’t plan to linger too long in the cities.
Starting in the north, I’d like to visit Lake Como or Lake Orta, pass through the Cinque Terre for some hiking, spend a few days in Naples and Rome, then head down to Sicily.
Hi there,
I’ll be traveling to Japan this coming August. We’ve finalized our itinerary and booked our flight tickets. Now I’m at the stage of buying train tickets for the few segments we’ll need to cover:
Tokyo - Hakone
Hakone - Kyoto
Kyoto - Osaka
Osaka - Tokyo
Here are my questions:
a) Is it possible to buy train tickets for these segments from Canada?
b) If so, which website should I use to do this?
c) And if it is possible, will we be able to print our tickets from Canada?
d) If it’s not possible, where in Tokyo should I go to buy these tickets when I arrive?
Hi everyone, I wanted to take the Paris-Berlin overnight train with a sleeper berth, the new service operated by European Sleepers.
24/05/2026 17:45 Paris-Nord (actually 16:00 from Paris Bercy Seine) -> 25/05/2026 9:59 (actually 7:30 in Berlin)
05/06/2026 18:31 Berlin (actually 20:00) -> 06/06/2026 10:00 Paris Nord (actually 12:30)
Part of the journey was operated by bus instead of the promised overnight train.
For 2 people: 340 € round trip
A total disaster. Never again. I was really looking forward to taking the overnight train, but we faced last-minute changes and truly unpleasant travel conditions. Here are the details:
1) 2 days before departure: email announcing a change of departure station for the outbound trip—Bercy Seine bus station instead of Gare du Nord.
2) Change of schedule: 4:00 PM from Bercy instead of 5:45 PM from Gare du Nord.
3) Change of transport mode!! A bus from Paris to Brussels, then an overnight train from Brussels to Berlin. No functional toilets on the bus. No children under 4 allowed on the bus.
4) On the sleeper train at 9:30 PM: no functional toilets in our carriage, so we had to go to other carriages, even in the middle of the night, to find working ones.
5) The onboard staff, though very friendly, were as lost as we were. In particular, they didn’t know how to handle the lower berths, so people using them had less space (armrests and backrests). Berth numbers weren’t respected, so some passengers had to move. The staff also didn’t know who was supposed to join the compartment during the journey.
6) Arrival at 7:30 AM in Berlin instead of 10:00 AM. No arrival announcement. Passengers had to search for staff to get breakfast and ended up with just a coffee (breakfast = 15 €, not bad for just a coffee).
7) Return trip: drastic schedule change announced by email on 26/05/2026—departure at 7:30 PM instead of 6:30 PM, with arrival between 12:00 PM and 1:00 PM in Paris instead of 10:00 AM. No change in transport mode announced.
8) Change in transport mode announced by email on the same day (05/06/2026)!! Overnight train from Brussels to Berlin, then a bus from Paris to Brussels. No functional toilets on the bus. Children under 4 banned from the bus, and families in this situation were asked to find another way—after being notified the same day.
9) The overnight train arrived at Berlin station with a 30-minute delay on top of its initial delay (scheduled for 6:31 PM, then 7:30 PM, finally arriving at 8:00 PM). The heating was blasting in the compartment with no way to turn it off. No functional toilets in the carriage. From that point on, customer service stopped responding to my messages.
10) Woken up at 5:00 AM with an announcement in all carriages about arrival in Liège.
11) Woken up again at 6:00 AM to be told we’d arrive in Brussels at 7:00 AM.
12) Arrival in Brussels at 7:00 AM and a one-hour wait for the bus to Paris. No functional toilets on the bus.
13) Arrival at Paris Nord at 12:30 PM, so 2.5 hours late compared to the originally scheduled time.
14) The overnight trains used are very old—I recognized the carriages from 20 years ago!! No functional power outlets, no Wi-Fi, no air conditioning. Five people per compartment is a bit cramped, but I consider these conditions expected (especially the air conditioning), so I’m not complaining about that. There’s already plenty to gripe about with the travel conditions.
I have little hope of getting even a partial refund. Customer service emails acknowledge the discomfort but only offer to reimburse the cost of a coffee on board if we send them the receipt... a bit weak.
I’m sharing this experience in the hope it might help others.
Hi there,
I’d like to take the Train of the Clouds from Lima to Huancayo.
I’ve heard it only runs during certain periods.
Does anyone have info on this?
Thanks!
HuancayoHuancayo
As part of my professional thesis, I’m conducting a study on the evolution of long-distance rail transport in France, particularly since it opened up to competition.
I’ve put together a very quick (about 5-minute) and completely anonymous questionnaire. Your answers will help me better understand users' expectations regarding pricing, frequency, and environmental impact.
We’re planning a 15-day trip to Uzbekistan in March—classic independent itinerary: Tashkent, Samarkand, Bukhara, Khiva. We’d like to take the train between each city, but I don’t want to lock down the whole trip before we leave.
So, my question is: is it absolutely necessary to book train tickets before departure, whether for the high-speed trains or the regional ones? Is booking really essential for the regional trains?
Hello,
We’re traveling as a family with two boys aged 10 and 12 to Cairo in February. During our trip, we’re planning to take an overnight train (with or without a sleeper) for the Cairo-Aswan route.
Do you know how I can book this remotely?
Also, I’m looking for:
- A local contact to sail the Nile by felucca for 3 days from Aswan
- A contact to guide us in Cairo
Looking forward to your tips, and thanks in advance!
Marie
Hi everyone,
I first traveled solo to Japan in 2019, exploring the Kyushu region (28 days), and I’m planning to return with my daughter (she’s an adult and it’ll be her first time in Asia) from April 25 to May 9.
I’m reaching out on this forum to ask for route ideas—this time north of Tokyo, but without heading to the Sapporo island (I’m saving that for a future trip).
I’d love to take advantage of the cherry blossom season and its festivities.
I’m looking to create a route that’s a little off the beaten path while staying within 5-6 hours by train from Tokyo to avoid spending too much time on transfers.
Thanks in advance for sharing your suggestions and experiences!
Michael
I'm heading to MEXICO IN NOVEMBER 2025. Since private guides and drivers are really expensive—over 300 € per day—I'm thinking of exploring the Yucatán by train. CAN YOU SHARE ANY INFO ON THIS? Thanks
Hi there!
We’re planning to visit Serbia (1 week) and then Montenegro (2nd week) with our kids from April 18 to May 4. We’d prefer to travel by train (overnight if possible), but we’re not sure which platform to book on or when to do it (is it too early?). If anyone has any tips, I’m all ears!!
I wanted to know if it’s possible to go from Tashkent to Almaty by train without passing through Kyrgyzstan. I’ve heard the border is often closed 😕 between Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan.
Thanks in advance!
Olivier
Hi there!
We’re planning to head back to Istanbul next year—obviously by plane—and then take the train from Istanbul to Antalya. Has anyone here already made this trip by train with TCDD?
I’d love any tips or info that could be useful for us!
I'd like to go to Montserrat on my own from Barcelona. Share your suggestions with me.
Which train should I take, where to get off, what to see once I arrive, etc.
I need to take a sleeper train from Bangkok to Vientiane in January.
I found some ticket options on 12Go Asia, but booking doesn’t seem possible at the moment. I’ve tried simulations for several dates, but no luck.
I’m wondering if it’s already fully booked, if they’ve stopped selling tickets… yet 12Go still features it every day 😕
Has anyone else run into this issue?
Can I find tickets on another site? (I tried Baolau, but no sleepers left for January 8th.)
Hi there,
I’m a bit late to be worrying about this, but hopefully someone can help me before I leave.
Tomorrow afternoon, I arrive at Lyon Part-Dieu on the TGV at 5:50 PM and take the TER to Mâcon at 6:16 PM. Is a 26-minute transfer doable? Are the TGV and TER on the same departure board? And are they on the same platforms too?
I’ve been to Lyon before but never had to make a connection after arriving.
Thanks
I can’t seem to complete the payment for my trip on the IRCTC (Indian Railways) site. No matter which payment method I choose, my Visa card isn’t accepted.
Has anyone here managed to do it, and if so, could you share the method you used?
Thanks in advance!
Charlie
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region.
After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani?
Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there’s a bus from Luang Namtha to Boten to catch the train coming from China to Vientiane? If so, what’s the name of the company? Also, how long does the bus take to cover that distance? What’s the condition of the road like?
Thanks for your help!
Tom
I just realized there’s only one payment method accepted for booking the Mombasa-Nairobi express train ticket online: M-Pesa, a mobile money transfer service used in Africa. Would it be impossible to book as a European?
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient).
But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this?
We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help,
and have a great Sunday!
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us.
I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com.
Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend?
Are the tickets changeable?
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas).
This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima.
I’m looking for suggestions and advice:
Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips...
Do you think it’s possible to do something like this:
5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku)
3 nights in Kyoto
2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo?
2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy...
Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train.
Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question:
Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.