Achat d'un bien non titré au Maroc
by Marrakeche
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
bonjour
j'ai trouvé une belle maison qui appartient a une famille corse a SIDI BIBI région Agadir Maroc l' agence immobilière m'a dit que ce bien n'est pas titré
je n'est rien a craindre cela va ce faire très bientôt je suis méfiante je ne sais pas trop quoi faire la maison me plais beaucoup mais je ne veux pas m'engager 🙁 sans conseille merci vos tous
mariama
Tu oublies cette maison.
Pour obtenir le titre ce sera d'énormes problèmes alors suit ce conseil et n’achète que ce qui est déjà titré
Alain
Je suggère que l'agence dépose l'argent de la vente sur un compte bloqué chez un notaire, et te rembourse 10% par mois de retard sur le titrage.
Des infos pour vivre et travailler au Maroc : http://o-maroc.com
merci pour vos conseilles je vais les suivre a la lettre je trouve que c'est bien dommage qu' on ne peut pas faire confiance aux agences immobilière je vie en France et je ne connais pas bien les lois marocainnes merci Alain
Mariama
merci pour m'avoir répondu je vais bien faire attention et poser des bonnes question la prochaine fois que je trouve un bien immobilier au Maroc sans titre pas d'achat non problème
merci a tout ceux qui mon répondu
MARIAMA
bonjour Noel merci pour les renseignements je vais m’armer de tout ses conseilles pour la prochaine proposition
Mariama
Je suggère que l'agence dépose l'argent de la vente sur un compte bloqué chez un notaire, et te rembourse 10% par mois de retard sur le titrage.
merci pour tes conseilles je vais plutôt laisser tombée car après les conseille que j'ai reçu tous me disent d être très prudente merci encore Mariama
merci pour tes conseilles je vais plutôt laisser tombée car après les conseille que j'ai reçu tous me disent d être très prudente merci encore Mariama
prends contact avec un notaire, mais refuse toute transaction avec un adoul
Un sourire coûte moins cher que l'électricité, mais il donne autant de lumière
Bonjour
Achèterais tu, en France, un bien immobilier à une personne qui ne peut te prouver qu'elle en est propriétaire ?
Tu as la réponse à ta question. 😉
En matière d'immobilier il faut être très prudent au Maroc. Il y a de nombreuses malversations.
Voici un lien parmi tant d'autre qui va te donner un aperçu de ce qui se passe ici. http://www.la-croix.com/Actualite/Monde/Au-Maroc-les-victimes-d-escroqueries-face-a-l-incurie-de-la-justice-2013-04-02-927853
Personnellement j'ai acheté au Maroc et bien qu'averti j'ai eu quelques problèmes qui heureusement sont moins graves que ceux rapportés dans les articles indiqués.
Donc acheter au Maroc OUI mais il faut s'entourer de personnes de confiance et bien au fait des problèmes.
"Un homme averti en vaut deux" 🤪
Nous n'héritons pas de la terre de nos ancêtres, nous l'empruntons à nos enfants - Antoine de St-Exupéry
passe ton chemin vite fait, çà t'évitera des problèmes pour l'avenir.
Pas de titre de propriété ..... comment ton corse peut-il prouver que le bien lui appartient vraiment???
ne jamais acheter au maroc un bien qui n'a pas de titre, sauf si tu aimes les emmerdes ....
je ne sais pas si la demeure de jacques chirac dans la région est titrée ? il y a trop d'imprécisions dans l'ensemble de rémarques cittés. En matière de transaction immo au Maroc, le net est chargé de conseils très utils. En déhors des zones urbaines, les biens immo de particuliers ne sont pas forcement titrés. L'usage est de passer par un acte de vente homologué par le tribunal de gd instance de la région, sous la résponsabilité juridique d'un écrivat public : ladoul. Il faut, dans le cas cité, vérifier l' authencité de la personne et de l'acte de la propriété.. et tt ira bien .. J'habite dans la région rurale d'Ourika depuis 7 ans en tant que proprio .. je n'ai jamais entendu ou vu un bien titré.
Pas de titre de propriété ..... comment ton corse peut-il prouver que le bien lui appartient vraiment???
ne jamais acheter au maroc un bien qui n'a pas de titre, sauf si tu aimes les emmerdes ....
je ne sais pas si la demeure de jacques chirac dans la région est titrée ? il y a trop d'imprécisions dans l'ensemble de rémarques cittés. En matière de transaction immo au Maroc, le net est chargé de conseils très utils. En déhors des zones urbaines, les biens immo de particuliers ne sont pas forcement titrés. L'usage est de passer par un acte de vente homologué par le tribunal de gd instance de la région, sous la résponsabilité juridique d'un écrivat public : ladoul. Il faut, dans le cas cité, vérifier l' authencité de la personne et de l'acte de la propriété.. et tt ira bien .. J'habite dans la région rurale d'Ourika depuis 7 ans en tant que proprio .. je n'ai jamais entendu ou vu un bien titré.
Oui il faut avoir la certification de l'authenticité de propriété et le seul document demandé en ce cas est "Le titre de Propriété" délivré par l'autorité compétente. C'est pour cela que les marocains disent que le bien est "titré" ou ne l'est pas.
Il est vrai que dans les campagnes peu de biens sont titrés car ce sont les anciens, les chefs de tribus qui savent à qui appartient telle maison ou telle parcelle. Ils en connaissent l'origine et même le bornage mais devant les problèmes que cela entraine lorsqu'il y a des désaccords de plus en plus les nouvelles transactions passent par l'intermédiaire d'un notaire ou Adoul.
Les lois sont peu appliquées et chacun fait un peu ce qu'il veut. Encore aujourd'hui, même si la tendance diminue il est facile moyennant quelques enveloppes de faire construire un immeuble sans permis de construire sur un terrain non constructible. Les cas sont nombreux et même d'obtenir moyennant encore d'autres enveloppes un permis une fois l'immeuble construit pour pouvoir le vendre sans problème. Mettez vous à la place de ce client qui vient d'acheter un bien avec des faux documents alors qu'il croit que tout est en règle.
Bon je suis un peu HS mais c'était juste pour appuyer ce que je disais précédemment sur la prudence à observer en cas de transaction immobilière au Maroc.
Nous n'héritons pas de la terre de nos ancêtres, nous l'empruntons à nos enfants - Antoine de St-Exupéry
de plus en plus les nouvelles transactions passent par l'intermédiaire d'un notaire ou Adoul.
Bonjour, Je pense que vous avez voulu dire : par l'intermédiaire d'un notaire ou d'un adoul.
En effet, notaire ou adoul, ce n'est pas du tout la même chose. l’adoul intervient exclusivement pour les biens immeubles non immatriculés. [...] le notaire ne peut rédiger un acte de vente qui porterait sur un bien immeuble non immatriculé. si le bien immeuble, objet de l’acte de vente, est encours d’immatriculation alors le notaire sera habilité à dresser l’acte de vente. http://www.commentfaiton.com/...-de-celui-de-l-a...
Bonjour, Je pense que vous avez voulu dire : par l'intermédiaire d'un notaire ou d'un adoul.
En effet, notaire ou adoul, ce n'est pas du tout la même chose. l’adoul intervient exclusivement pour les biens immeubles non immatriculés. [...] le notaire ne peut rédiger un acte de vente qui porterait sur un bien immeuble non immatriculé. si le bien immeuble, objet de l’acte de vente, est encours d’immatriculation alors le notaire sera habilité à dresser l’acte de vente. http://www.commentfaiton.com/...-de-celui-de-l-a...
je pense que cette discussion a enfin pris le bon chemain ..
Il est temps de répondre à la personne aui a solicité un conseil.
y va ou y va pas ?
Pour dissiper tout amalgame, il faut bien dire qu'un bien titré est celui qui dispose un document délivré par la Consevatoire Foncière du Royaume.
Autrement, c'est l'Acte de vente rédigé par Ladoul et homologué par le TG Instance ..
Le troisième forme de transactionë (certificat de vente légalisé chez les fiscs) , est abbandonné depuis 3 ans !
Effectivement vous avez raison.🤪
Nous n'héritons pas de la terre de nos ancêtres, nous l'empruntons à nos enfants - Antoine de St-Exupéry
Je pense que Mariama a bien compris le message et saura s'entourer de toute la prudence requise pour l'achat de sa maison au Maroc.
Nous n'héritons pas de la terre de nos ancêtres, nous l'empruntons à nos enfants - Antoine de St-Exupéry
merci a toi
Attention si elle ce trouve en bords de plage les démolisses pour monter des hôtels touristique !
Si la maison est sur un terrain disposant du document "istimrar"(qui fait office de titre de propriete' autant qu'un titre foncier)homologue' par un adoul via le Cadi , l'achat est possible en passant par le notaire pour la suite de l'operation(procedure reglementaire securisante pour les deux parties).Il ne faut pas generaliser ni semer le doute, il faut juste savoir ou on met son pied(surtout son argent).
Même si vous êtes aigle ne vous fâchez pas avec le sol(demeurer humble et modeste)dicton Berbère.
Si la maison est sur un terrain disposant du document "istimrar"(qui fait office de titre de propriete' autant qu'un titre foncier)homologue' par un adoul via le Cadi , l'achat est possible en passant par le notaire pour la suite de l'operation(procedure reglementaire securisante pour les deux parties)
Istimrar... Restons circonspects...
Douze personnes connues du douar ou de la tribu témoignent devant les adouls que telle parcelle est propriété d’une personne depuis tant d’années. Généralement, c’est ce qui est appelé «istimrar al milkia» (ndlr: continuité de propriété). Mais ce système de preuve par témoignages est entré dans une crise grave, caractérisée par l’érosion du rôle social et judiciaire des adouls, et aussi par les nombreuses affaires de fraudes et de faux témoignages. Certes, «istimrar almilkia» permet au propriétaire d’obtenir un crédit, mais uniquement auprès du Crédit agricole, et aussi de céder sa parcelle à une tierce personne. Et c’est là qu’il y a un hic : la propriété est vendue dans l’indivision et ne peut faire l’objet d’un titre foncier.
http://www.leconomiste.com/article/foncier-et-croissance-economiquebrimmatriculation-le-systeme-traditionnel-en-crise-0
Le Droit Foncier marocain, c'est très compliqué... 🏴☠️
Istimrar... Restons circonspects...
Douze personnes connues du douar ou de la tribu témoignent devant les adouls que telle parcelle est propriété d’une personne depuis tant d’années. Généralement, c’est ce qui est appelé «istimrar al milkia» (ndlr: continuité de propriété). Mais ce système de preuve par témoignages est entré dans une crise grave, caractérisée par l’érosion du rôle social et judiciaire des adouls, et aussi par les nombreuses affaires de fraudes et de faux témoignages. Certes, «istimrar almilkia» permet au propriétaire d’obtenir un crédit, mais uniquement auprès du Crédit agricole, et aussi de céder sa parcelle à une tierce personne. Et c’est là qu’il y a un hic : la propriété est vendue dans l’indivision et ne peut faire l’objet d’un titre foncier.
http://www.leconomiste.com/article/foncier-et-croissance-economiquebrimmatriculation-le-systeme-traditionnel-en-crise-0
Le Droit Foncier marocain, c'est très compliqué... 🏴☠️
Bonsoir,
C'est effectivement cela, j'ai du proceder ainsi avant d'inscrire le bien a la conservation fonciere.C'etait aussi pour preciser que ce document(Istimrar) est juridiquement valable pour jouir completement et legalement d'un bien.
Merci pour ces precisions qui peuvent eclairer les personnes en quete de renseignements surs.
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Thanks so much for your answers! 🙂
My partner, our 8-year-old daughter, and I are going on vacation to Gex.
We’ve decided to spend one day in Switzerland and another in Italy. Will we need ID (national ID card or passport)? Do we also need ID for our daughter?
Thanks so much for your answers! 🙂
Hi everyone,
Some French friends are visiting NYC (4/5 days around mid-May) from Montreal, Canada. They’ve got their eTA and ESTA approved!
Round-trip transport by bus.
Question: Is the I-94 form required, mandatory, and should it be filled out on the bus or in advance???
Thanks for your RECENT experiences!
See you, Jean.
Some French friends are visiting NYC (4/5 days around mid-May) from Montreal, Canada. They’ve got their eTA and ESTA approved!
Round-trip transport by bus.
Question: Is the I-94 form required, mandatory, and should it be filled out on the bus or in advance???
Thanks for your RECENT experiences!
See you, Jean.
Hello,
We’ll soon be moving to Madagascar long-term.
As a French national, I need to obtain a short-stay visa that can be converted to a long-stay one. To do this, I have to send the required documents to the Madagascar embassy in Paris.
No issues with that procedure so far.
If I get this visa, once I arrive in Madagascar, I’ll need to provide the same documents to the Ministry of the Interior in Anosy. I’m trying to find an email address or website for the Ministry to check which documents I need to submit (I think they ask for additional ones).
If you have any info on this, I’d appreciate your replies.
Best regards,
M. Buisson Eric
Hi there,
I’d like to know if anyone has already applied for a private visa to Russia with an invitation from a Russian resident. I traveled earlier this year with an e-visa, but since I want to stay longer, I’ll be visiting my friend who lives in eastern Russia. For the visa application, does the invitation need to be on an official paper form issued by the Russian ministry? And most importantly, do I need to present the original for the application, or is there an electronic version that can be sent directly to the consulate in France? Thanks for any info if you’ve gone through this process before!
Best regards,
Gilles
I’d like to know if anyone has already applied for a private visa to Russia with an invitation from a Russian resident. I traveled earlier this year with an e-visa, but since I want to stay longer, I’ll be visiting my friend who lives in eastern Russia. For the visa application, does the invitation need to be on an official paper form issued by the Russian ministry? And most importantly, do I need to present the original for the application, or is there an electronic version that can be sent directly to the consulate in France? Thanks for any info if you’ve gone through this process before!
Best regards,
Gilles
I filled out the B2 form to apply for a visa, created an account on Atvis to pay the visa fees and schedule a meet-up, but every time I try to pay with my Boursobank Visa 1st card, they refuse the payment with a message telling me to check my details (address), even though everything is correct. Does anyone know why this is happening, or maybe they don’t accept Visa cards? Are you aware of this?
Thanks for your feedback!
Elisabeth
Hi,
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted. Is this real or just a hoax? Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received. Thanks everyone.
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted. Is this real or just a hoax? Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received. Thanks everyone.
Hi there,
We need to apply for a B2 visa because we visited Iran in 2018. It currently costs $185, but they’re planning an additional $250 fee per person for the same visa—it’s been approved but not yet implemented. Does anyone know when this fee will take effect?
Thanks in advance!
Elisabeth
Hi there,
In November, we're heading off on a 4-month trip. We'll be landing in China and plan to leave the country via a land border into Vietnam.
I’ve read that China may ask for proof of exit within 30 days (flight ticket or other reservation). Since we’d be leaving by land, I’m wondering how this works in practice.
Has anyone here been in this situation recently?
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊
Hi there,
Just a question that’s probably been asked before (though usually the other way around for my situation :))
My wife and I are heading to the US.
On her ticket, it only has her maiden name (e.g., Martine DUPOND).
On her passport, it’s written as Martine DUPOND épouse AVRY.
No issues for travel, I hope I did the right thing with the ticket?
Then for the ESTA, is just Martine DUPOND enough, or do I need to include the "épouse AVRY" part like on the passport?
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’m spending a few days in San Pedro de Atacama (Chile) and would like to cross the Argentine border to make a loop toward Salta and then return to Chile to drop off the rental car.
I’ve heard that crossing the border can be tricky!
Is it possible with a rental company’s authorization? Which company, and at what cost?
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Best regards,
Arnale
Hi everyone,
I saw on the French Embassy in Peru’s website and the Peruvian Consulate in Paris’s site that the rule is to have a passport valid for 6 months *after the arrival date* (not the return date).
I arrive in Peru on August 13, 2019 (for about twelve days), and my passport is valid until February 16, 2020.
That’s 6 months and 3 days after my arrival date in Peru. In my opinion, I’m good to go.
But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
Thanks for your feedback.
I saw on the French Embassy in Peru’s website and the Peruvian Consulate in Paris’s site that the rule is to have a passport valid for 6 months *after the arrival date* (not the return date).
I arrive in Peru on August 13, 2019 (for about twelve days), and my passport is valid until February 16, 2020.
That’s 6 months and 3 days after my arrival date in Peru. In my opinion, I’m good to go.
But could I still be denied entry if they say I don’t cover the return date or that I’m too close to the 6-month mark?
Thanks for your feedback.