Aux aguerris de la Thaïlande vos impressions sur l'évolution du tourisme en 20 ans
by Xander45
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Hello, je vais plusieurs fois par an en Asie, au départ de Paris à chaque fois dans les 400 €...mais bien sur en dehors des vacances scolaires !
C'est vrai que les prix des vols vers l'Asie ont beaucoup baissé en 20 ans.....depuis quelques années, ce sont souvent les compagnies chinoises les moins chères....
C'est vrai que les prix des vols vers l'Asie ont beaucoup baissé en 20 ans.....depuis quelques années, ce sont souvent les compagnies chinoises les moins chères....
Bonjour
Je ne voudrais pas polluer cette discussion ...mais certains des intervenants ont l'air de bien connaître la Thaïlande ...
Je vais faire , entre février et mars prochain une croisière de Shanghai à Dubai. Nous aurons une escale à Laem Chabang sur un jour et la matinée du lendemain . Le croisieriste propose des excursions à Bangkok sur la journée, mais j'hésite à faire plusieurs heures de car et consacrer quelques heures sur place à une ville qui nécessite certainement plusieurs jours .
J'aimerais plutôt visiter un lieu "authentique " aux alentours . Il semblerait que Pattaya soit plutôt à éviter . J'ai cherché sur des guides mais il n'y a pas grand chose de proposé....
Merci si vous avez des lieux à me conseiller .
Bien cordialement Claudine
Je ne voudrais pas polluer cette discussion ...mais certains des intervenants ont l'air de bien connaître la Thaïlande ...
Je vais faire , entre février et mars prochain une croisière de Shanghai à Dubai. Nous aurons une escale à Laem Chabang sur un jour et la matinée du lendemain . Le croisieriste propose des excursions à Bangkok sur la journée, mais j'hésite à faire plusieurs heures de car et consacrer quelques heures sur place à une ville qui nécessite certainement plusieurs jours .
J'aimerais plutôt visiter un lieu "authentique " aux alentours . Il semblerait que Pattaya soit plutôt à éviter . J'ai cherché sur des guides mais il n'y a pas grand chose de proposé....
Merci si vous avez des lieux à me conseiller .
Bien cordialement Claudine
Bjr
Laem Chabang centre de Bangkok c'est 2h à 2h30 de route minimum (hors embouteillage du matin et de fin de journée - donc justement les horaires des excursions )
Pour le plus agréable non loin de laemChabang, il y a effectivement Pattaya avec vraiement beaucoup de tres belles choses a voir - car Pattaya c'est la grande destination des familles thaies et enfants le week-end
par ex jardins de Nong Nooch
qui est vraiment quelque chose d'unique pour les amateurs de jardins http://www.nongnoochtropicalgarden.com/home/
enfin et peut etre la meilleure idée à moins d'1h de route du quai avec ce que je trouve intéressant sont les immenses vergers tropicaux qui se visitent SUPATHRA ORCHARD www.Suphattraland.com
www.thetrippacker.com/...8CSuphattraLand/2345
sinon voir thailand.sawadee.com/...i/attractions.htmlou sinon a mi-chemin la regin de Chachoengsao -
sinon avec un taxi a la journée partir deja sur les marchés de la cote de Chonburi ( fruits de mer poissons et autres) La question sera alors de prendre un taxi au pied du quai ( donc un tarif ''touriste'' a la journée - et surtout ce sera un taxi thai qui ne pipera pas plus de 3 mots d'anglais ( encore faut il que vous parliez anglais) idéalement en essayant de rassembler 2 ou 3 autres participants de la croisière qui partageront le taxi avec vous ( et dont un au moins parlera anglais ?? ))
qui est vraiment quelque chose d'unique pour les amateurs de jardins http://www.nongnoochtropicalgarden.com/home/
enfin et peut etre la meilleure idée à moins d'1h de route du quai avec ce que je trouve intéressant sont les immenses vergers tropicaux qui se visitent SUPATHRA ORCHARD www.Suphattraland.com
www.thetrippacker.com/...8CSuphattraLand/2345
sinon voir thailand.sawadee.com/...i/attractions.htmlou sinon a mi-chemin la regin de Chachoengsao -
sinon avec un taxi a la journée partir deja sur les marchés de la cote de Chonburi ( fruits de mer poissons et autres) La question sera alors de prendre un taxi au pied du quai ( donc un tarif ''touriste'' a la journée - et surtout ce sera un taxi thai qui ne pipera pas plus de 3 mots d'anglais ( encore faut il que vous parliez anglais) idéalement en essayant de rassembler 2 ou 3 autres participants de la croisière qui partageront le taxi avec vous ( et dont un au moins parlera anglais ?? ))
On eu le siècle des Lumières,
puis un con a dû éteindre
Bonjour
Merci pour toutes ces informations ... Je vais regarder tout ça . Le trajet pour Bangkok ...c'est ce que j'avais compris . Passer cinq heures dans un bus pour le même temps sur place me semble rédhibitoire . Mais la plupart des gens sur le bateau vont faire ce choix ...
Pour le prix du taxi "touriste " ce sera ce à quoi il faut s' attendre . Le prix de l'excursion avec le bateau est autour de 120 euros par personne , il me semble .
Pour quelques mots d'anglais ça devrait le faire ...
Je vais regarder ce que tu m'as conseillé et j'en parlerai aux membres du forum qui font la même croisière . Peut être certains seront intéressés .
Je me permettrai peut être de te reposer des questions si tu veux bien😊
Bien cordialement Claudine
Merci pour toutes ces informations ... Je vais regarder tout ça . Le trajet pour Bangkok ...c'est ce que j'avais compris . Passer cinq heures dans un bus pour le même temps sur place me semble rédhibitoire . Mais la plupart des gens sur le bateau vont faire ce choix ...
Pour le prix du taxi "touriste " ce sera ce à quoi il faut s' attendre . Le prix de l'excursion avec le bateau est autour de 120 euros par personne , il me semble .
Pour quelques mots d'anglais ça devrait le faire ...
Je vais regarder ce que tu m'as conseillé et j'en parlerai aux membres du forum qui font la même croisière . Peut être certains seront intéressés .
Je me permettrai peut être de te reposer des questions si tu veux bien😊
Bien cordialement Claudine
bjr un tarif ''normal de taxi a la journée serait de l'ordre de 75 à 100 euros
mais comme vous n'aurez pas vraiment le choix au pied du bateau- ce sera probablement un peu plus cher - et donc si vous divisez par 3 ou 4 participants ca reste quand même plus intéressant que les 120 e par personne du tour organisé Bangkok
On eu le siècle des Lumières,
puis un con a dû éteindre
Hello
Premier voyage en 1988 (grosse claque) accueille à la sortie de Don Muang par des dizaines de camions de l'armée, ça fait toujours plaisir ... Il faut dire que la Thaïlande est coutumière des coups d'État militaires comme le prouve la junte au pouvoir depuis 2014. A cette époque à koh samui, il n'y avait pas d'aéroport et seulement quelques guest houses à Chaweng autant dire la joie ... Chianf mai était une grosse ville province un peu endormie et le trek chez les Karens fût épique (grosse mousson). Puis 1998, ça allait encore, Koh Phan Ngang était bien sauvage. Puis de 2000 à 2016 séjours à Samui sur une plage peu fréquentée et sans en sortir souvent du village, l'île étant devenue trop touristique, la route circulaire super dangereuse et ils ont même construit un centre commercial genre Bangkok. Néanmoins, j'ai pu observer des changement positifs à Chaweng : moins de zonards/dopés et plus de touristes "normaux" genre familles, un assainissement du lac, des routes refaites. Effectivement le taux rechange du bath ne nous arrange pas. Je me souviens de l'époque ou baht et roupie indienne avait le même taux (environ 50 pour 1 euro). désormais, c'est 35 bath et 80 roupies ... mais c'est normal le niveau de vie s'améliore et tant mieux pour les thaïs même si les plus pauvres soufrent de l'inflation. On a vu aussi arriver les touristes russes (assez pauvres et pas super aimables) et asiatiques (Chine, Singapour, Corée du Sud). Bangkok a aussi changé (plus clean, guerre aux petits vendeurs de rue, bars à putes éliminées des grandes artères) mais reste une ville incroyable. ce qui s'aggrave, c'est la chasse au touriste pour lui infliger des amendes pour des motifs ridicules genre vapoter en public. j'ai vu que récemment la junte obligeait les logeurs à déclarer l'absence de leurs locataires étrangers dès que ça dépasse une journée. Délire ! C'est juste pour récupérer des baths. A force de tirer sur la corde, beaucoup de gens iront chercher d'autres endroits moins avides du pognon des voyageurs ... Franchement, l'arrivée des militaires n'a pas arrangé les choses : obsédés par le puritanisme (législation sévère sur les bars, boites, etc.), mais incapables d'éliminer les nombreuses arnaques (genre loueurs de jet ski), renvoi en masse des travailleurs cambodgiens et birmans alors qu'il font tourner le BTP et la restauration et donc inventions sans fin pour essorer toujours plus les Farangs ... heureusement, la Thaïlande "profonde" (hors Bangkok et iles) reste je pense épargnée par les touristes banlieusards (qui nous mettent la honte en tant que Français) et beaufs, et demeure un pays magnifique avec des gens aimables et beaucoup d'atouts (nourriture, sites historiques, nature). J'espère y retourner un jour si ma santé le permet
Dans les annees 70 la thailande etait deja un pays riche et relativement moderne un par sa configuration sa nature et son agriculture et aussi par la guerre du vietnam. Les phil de marcos aussi. Depuis elle s est enrichi enormement et c est un peu redistribué a la populace sous forme de soins gratuits dans les hopitaux et autre subventions par contre surement pas suffisant pour les frais de vie moderne avec voiture a credit etc......
Les restrictions sur l obtention des visas c est leur nationalisme exacerbé, la peur d etre envahie pas particulierement le desir de plumer le farang.
Le nombre de travailleurs immigres augmentent au gre de la bonne sante economique piquant les boulot au issan qui s eleve dans la hierarchie en allant travaille a l etranger coree emirats taiwan.
La valeur du bahts je ne sais pas a qui profite le crime . Des magouille comme la reserve bank ou la banque centrale EU mais surement pas au travailleurs expatriés thais ou au touristes ou aux exports.
Le tourisme a beaucoup change depuis les annees 70 et il evolue encore tout les jours avec les low cost et le temps libre de la moddle class.
Tout ca pas facile a voir par le petit bout de la lorgnette
Dans les annees 70 la thailande etait deja un pays riche et relativement moderne un par sa configuration sa nature et son agriculture et aussi par la guerre du vietnam. ..........
Tu devrais lire quelques documents utiles qui ne disent pas vraiment la même chose; en fait chaque fois que les militaires font un Coup d'Etat, ce pays régresse ; on le voit bien en ce moment , d'ailleurs.🤪
https://www.persee.fr/doc/caoum_0373-5834_1985_num_38_152_3163
https://redtac.org/asiedusudest/2016/09/25/les-revoltes-estudiantines-des-annees-1970-en-thailande/
https://arretsurinfo.ch/thailande-lexecution-par-le-feu-de-plus-de-3000-personnes-suspectees-detre-communistes-en-1970/
Tu devrais lire quelques documents utiles qui ne disent pas vraiment la même chose; en fait chaque fois que les militaires font un Coup d'Etat, ce pays régresse ; on le voit bien en ce moment , d'ailleurs.🤪
https://www.persee.fr/doc/caoum_0373-5834_1985_num_38_152_3163
https://redtac.org/asiedusudest/2016/09/25/les-revoltes-estudiantines-des-annees-1970-en-thailande/
https://arretsurinfo.ch/thailande-lexecution-par-le-feu-de-plus-de-3000-personnes-suspectees-detre-communistes-en-1970/
Je ne suis pas si sur que toi . Ca fait longtemps que je ne crois plus aux politiciens et a leurs pouvoir. Des points de vu comme ca on peux t en tourner de toutes les facons.
Et les dirigeant de ce pays n ont que peu d effet dans ce contexte de guerre economique mondiale.
Coucou Patrick !
Marrant de te croiser ici.....et pas mieux sur l'analyse ....
Marrant de te croiser ici.....et pas mieux sur l'analyse ....
(Partir en vacances pour retrouver Nanard entrains de se faire gueuler dessus par Ginette.Car Popole commençait à se lever pendant le massage thai. vu à Khao San ou voir Magloire et Momo et mauricette et zoubida "vas y va la baiser c'est toute des putes les thaies!" vu au skytrain etc.Non merci)
C'est surtout ça qui a changé. Avant c'était un plaisir de rencontrer les autres voyageurs mais maintenant c'est tous les "tuches" et les "mimiles" qui viennent en vacances en Thaïlande !
N'oubliez pas quelque chose...on est toujours le mimile de quelqu'un...des beaufs en Thailande il y en a toujours eu, ...mais comme vous comme moi ils ont aussi le droit de voyager.
Ce qui m'avait choqué pendant mon dernier séjour en bord de mer : la saleté des plages, bouteilles de verre, détritus en tous genres...et hors saison il y a peu de "mimiles" comme vous dites... Donc les comportements irrespectueux ne sont pas uniquement des comportements de pauvres...
J'ai un peu de mal avec le mépris de classes....
C'est surtout ça qui a changé. Avant c'était un plaisir de rencontrer les autres voyageurs mais maintenant c'est tous les "tuches" et les "mimiles" qui viennent en vacances en Thaïlande !
N'oubliez pas quelque chose...on est toujours le mimile de quelqu'un...des beaufs en Thailande il y en a toujours eu, ...mais comme vous comme moi ils ont aussi le droit de voyager.
Ce qui m'avait choqué pendant mon dernier séjour en bord de mer : la saleté des plages, bouteilles de verre, détritus en tous genres...et hors saison il y a peu de "mimiles" comme vous dites... Donc les comportements irrespectueux ne sont pas uniquement des comportements de pauvres...
J'ai un peu de mal avec le mépris de classes....
(Partir en vacances pour retrouver Nanard entrains de se faire gueuler dessus par Ginette.Car Popole commençait à se lever pendant le massage thai. vu à Khao San ou voir Magloire et Momo et mauricette et zoubida "vas y va la baiser c'est toute des putes les thaies!" vu au skytrain etc.Non merci)
C'est surtout ça qui a changé. Avant c'était un plaisir de rencontrer les autres voyageurs mais maintenant c'est tous les "tuches" et les "mimiles" qui viennent en vacances en Thaïlande !
N'oubliez pas quelque chose...on est toujours le mimile de quelqu'un...des beaufs en Thailande il y en a toujours eu, ...mais comme vous comme moi ils ont aussi le droit de voyager.
Ce qui m'avait choqué pendant mon dernier séjour en bord de mer : la saleté des plages, bouteilles de verre, détritus en tous genres...et hors saison il y a peu de "mimiles" comme vous dites... Donc les comportements irrespectueux ne sont pas uniquement des comportements de pauvres...
J'ai un peu de mal avec le mépris de classes....
Peut-être pas un mépris de classe mais une vision idyllique du tourisme "d'avant". J'ai connu cette période où la Thaïlande attirait en masse les toxicos et les amateurs de chair fraîche. Si on ajoute à ceux-là ceux qui sortaient de zonzon et ceux qui voulaient y échapper, effectivement que du beau monde. Le tourisme de masse fait que cette engeance est moins visible. Certains le déplorent.
C'est surtout ça qui a changé. Avant c'était un plaisir de rencontrer les autres voyageurs mais maintenant c'est tous les "tuches" et les "mimiles" qui viennent en vacances en Thaïlande !
N'oubliez pas quelque chose...on est toujours le mimile de quelqu'un...des beaufs en Thailande il y en a toujours eu, ...mais comme vous comme moi ils ont aussi le droit de voyager.
Ce qui m'avait choqué pendant mon dernier séjour en bord de mer : la saleté des plages, bouteilles de verre, détritus en tous genres...et hors saison il y a peu de "mimiles" comme vous dites... Donc les comportements irrespectueux ne sont pas uniquement des comportements de pauvres...
J'ai un peu de mal avec le mépris de classes....
Peut-être pas un mépris de classe mais une vision idyllique du tourisme "d'avant". J'ai connu cette période où la Thaïlande attirait en masse les toxicos et les amateurs de chair fraîche. Si on ajoute à ceux-là ceux qui sortaient de zonzon et ceux qui voulaient y échapper, effectivement que du beau monde. Le tourisme de masse fait que cette engeance est moins visible. Certains le déplorent.
(Partir en vacances pour retrouver Nanard entrains de se faire gueuler dessus par Ginette.Car Popole commençait à se lever pendant le massage thai. vu à Khao San ou voir Magloire et Momo et mauricette et zoubida "vas y va la baiser c'est toute des putes les thaies!" vu au skytrain etc.Non merci)
C'est surtout ça qui a changé. Avant c'était un plaisir de rencontrer les autres voyageurs mais maintenant c'est tous les "tuches" et les "mimiles" qui viennent en vacances en Thaïlande !
N'oubliez pas quelque chose...on est toujours le mimile de quelqu'un...des beaufs en Thailande il y en a toujours eu, ...mais comme vous comme moi ils ont aussi le droit de voyager.
Ce qui m'avait choqué pendant mon dernier séjour en bord de mer : la saleté des plages, bouteilles de verre, détritus en tous genres...et hors saison il y a peu de "mimiles" comme vous dites... Donc les comportements irrespectueux ne sont pas uniquement des comportements de pauvres...
J'ai un peu de mal avec le mépris de classes....
Peut-être pas un mépris de classe mais une vision idyllique du tourisme "d'avant". J'ai connu cette période où la Thaïlande attirait en masse les toxicos et les amateurs de chair fraîche. Si on ajoute à ceux-là ceux qui sortaient de zonzon et ceux qui voulaient y échapper, effectivement que du beau monde. Le tourisme de masse fait que cette engeance est moins visible. Certains le déplorent.
les drogues de l epoque sont tous mort ou on arrete et la drogue dans nos contree s est democratise voir legalisé en plus la justice est severe meme pour les thai quand a l industrie du sexe en thailande ca exite toujours mais c est devenu quand meme un sacré budget
C'est surtout ça qui a changé. Avant c'était un plaisir de rencontrer les autres voyageurs mais maintenant c'est tous les "tuches" et les "mimiles" qui viennent en vacances en Thaïlande !
N'oubliez pas quelque chose...on est toujours le mimile de quelqu'un...des beaufs en Thailande il y en a toujours eu, ...mais comme vous comme moi ils ont aussi le droit de voyager.
Ce qui m'avait choqué pendant mon dernier séjour en bord de mer : la saleté des plages, bouteilles de verre, détritus en tous genres...et hors saison il y a peu de "mimiles" comme vous dites... Donc les comportements irrespectueux ne sont pas uniquement des comportements de pauvres...
J'ai un peu de mal avec le mépris de classes....
Peut-être pas un mépris de classe mais une vision idyllique du tourisme "d'avant". J'ai connu cette période où la Thaïlande attirait en masse les toxicos et les amateurs de chair fraîche. Si on ajoute à ceux-là ceux qui sortaient de zonzon et ceux qui voulaient y échapper, effectivement que du beau monde. Le tourisme de masse fait que cette engeance est moins visible. Certains le déplorent.
les drogues de l epoque sont tous mort ou on arrete et la drogue dans nos contree s est democratise voir legalisé en plus la justice est severe meme pour les thai quand a l industrie du sexe en thailande ca exite toujours mais c est devenu quand meme un sacré budget
Hello Denis (Vincendeau ?)
Ça fait longtemps que je suis sur ce Forum mais c'est vrai que je n'y vais pas très souvent. Surtout depuis que je ne peux plus voyager en Asie à cause de mes problèmes de santé ... Content que tu partages ma vision de ce qu'était et est devenue la Thaïlande
desolé mais je pense que ta vision est plutot fausse elle ne tient pas compte du tou de la psychee thai ni des realités de la societé thai
Ça fait longtemps que je suis sur ce Forum mais c'est vrai que je n'y vais pas très souvent. Surtout depuis que je ne peux plus voyager en Asie à cause de mes problèmes de santé ... Content que tu partages ma vision de ce qu'était et est devenue la Thaïlande
desolé mais je pense que ta vision est plutot fausse elle ne tient pas compte du tou de la psychee thai ni des realités de la societé thai
qu est devenu la thailande ?
😎par rapport au Cambodge la Thaïlande n a pas changé, pour la Cambodge et bien faut voir ce qui se passe a sihanoukville qui devient un deuxième macau casino.
la seul chose qui change c est l arrivée des touristes et les thais ne sont pour rien a + ou - , on ne dira pas , par exemple toute ma famille thai qui n a rien cirer des touristes ne se portent pas mieux et pas plus mal , y a plus de chinois oui , oui ils sont descendance chinoise , bon a chachoengsao il y a beaucoup de chinois cause... les temples, mais a part ça quelques millions de thais dans les deux provinces nong chock et chachoengsao vivent des rizières, des forets de noix de coco et les produits qui s en suivent , la pèche , ah oui il y a les nouveaux élevages de crevettes , qui vont a l exportation, les crevettes c est nouveau donc , sinon rien a changer depuis mon arrivée en Thaïlande , les thais n ont même pas encore fait la ligne de chemin fer vers le Cambodge c est pas finit ils y travaillent encore.
😏vous allez rigoler , mais aujourdhui je viens de découvrir une part de la région que même madame n a jamais visiter , immense foret plantation de cocotier, je vous jure kho samui+ phuket n ai rien a coté des immenses forets, plantation de cocotier , palmier de chachoengsao la région est aussi hindou et protéger par ganesha qui devrait attirer des touristes dorénavant des touristes locaux en premier puis des chinois
on peu considérer ce développent comme une évolution dirigé vers le tourisme asiatique et non sur l Europe , les européens n ont rien a cirer des hindous et de leur spiritualité dans la jungle tropicale de cette région . MAIS on y trouvera dorénavant le THAIBOSS, si ça intéresse quelqu un pour développer pour le tourisme européen , madame ma interdit de reprendre des activités avec les farangs , non plutôt déconseiller = ça revient au même , je pense que les farangs n ont rien a cirer de ganesha et de sa famille shiva, cela rejoint ma dernière activité a chiang rai , développement de centre médicaux par la médecine cosmique , centre de meditation dans la foret de wiang chai pres de chiang rai.
pour ta maladie y beaucoup de chance qu on puisse te guerir ici si la médecine occidentale n y arrive pas.....si tu veux donc moi les symtomes de la maladie je vais consulter pour toi les chinois ici.


😎par rapport au Cambodge la Thaïlande n a pas changé, pour la Cambodge et bien faut voir ce qui se passe a sihanoukville qui devient un deuxième macau casino.
la seul chose qui change c est l arrivée des touristes et les thais ne sont pour rien a + ou - , on ne dira pas , par exemple toute ma famille thai qui n a rien cirer des touristes ne se portent pas mieux et pas plus mal , y a plus de chinois oui , oui ils sont descendance chinoise , bon a chachoengsao il y a beaucoup de chinois cause... les temples, mais a part ça quelques millions de thais dans les deux provinces nong chock et chachoengsao vivent des rizières, des forets de noix de coco et les produits qui s en suivent , la pèche , ah oui il y a les nouveaux élevages de crevettes , qui vont a l exportation, les crevettes c est nouveau donc , sinon rien a changer depuis mon arrivée en Thaïlande , les thais n ont même pas encore fait la ligne de chemin fer vers le Cambodge c est pas finit ils y travaillent encore.
😏vous allez rigoler , mais aujourdhui je viens de découvrir une part de la région que même madame n a jamais visiter , immense foret plantation de cocotier, je vous jure kho samui+ phuket n ai rien a coté des immenses forets, plantation de cocotier , palmier de chachoengsao la région est aussi hindou et protéger par ganesha qui devrait attirer des touristes dorénavant des touristes locaux en premier puis des chinois
on peu considérer ce développent comme une évolution dirigé vers le tourisme asiatique et non sur l Europe , les européens n ont rien a cirer des hindous et de leur spiritualité dans la jungle tropicale de cette région . MAIS on y trouvera dorénavant le THAIBOSS, si ça intéresse quelqu un pour développer pour le tourisme européen , madame ma interdit de reprendre des activités avec les farangs , non plutôt déconseiller = ça revient au même , je pense que les farangs n ont rien a cirer de ganesha et de sa famille shiva, cela rejoint ma dernière activité a chiang rai , développement de centre médicaux par la médecine cosmique , centre de meditation dans la foret de wiang chai pres de chiang rai.
pour ta maladie y beaucoup de chance qu on puisse te guerir ici si la médecine occidentale n y arrive pas.....si tu veux donc moi les symtomes de la maladie je vais consulter pour toi les chinois ici.


Tout dépend de ce qu'on attend du tourisme en Thaïlande!
Je fréquente ce pays en famille depuis 30 ans, grâce à un ami marié à une Thaïlandaise issue de la petite bourgeoisie bangkokienne (diplômée de l'enseignement supérieur...). Ils nous ont permis de connaître les premiers hôtels à Ao Nang, les paillottes sur la plage à Ko phiPhi, Nan et ses ethnies qui n'avaient jamais vu un caucasien...Le pays du sourire partout, et un rapport qualité-prix de l’hôtellerie qui était imbattable, sans parler de la cuisine thaïe que je pratique et dont personne ne peut se passer dans ma famille.
Nos amis franco-thaïs vivent en France depuis longtemps mais nous continuons à fréquenter le pays, après de nombreux voyages dans les autres pays d'Asie du Sud-Est.
Ce qui s'est amélioré: la facilité des déplacements à Bangkok avec BTS et MRT, les bateaux bus, les taxi meter, le réseau de transport aérien lowcost qui dessert tout le pays, les visites des grands sites (Ayuthaya , Sukhotaï) en vélo ou tuk-tuk, les temples de Chiang Mai sans cesse embellis (trop dorés?) et toujours gratuits...Des petits hôtels tenus par des Thaïs sympathiques se sont ouverts un peu partout.
A Bangkok, le Wat Arun vient d'être rénové, il est étincelant, Wat Suthat et Wat Saket restent peu fréquentés.
Ce qu'on peut regretter: les plages qui furent paradisiaques sont bétonnées et surfréquentées. A Bangkok le Palais Royal et la Wat Po sont envahis...notamment par les Chinois dont les guides agitent une peluche au bout d'une perche et braillent leurs explications à leurs compatriotes qui vont ensuite se photographier en enlaçant les statues dorées malgré la pancarte "DON'T TOUCH". D'année en année de nouvelles barrières sont installées afin d'empêcher les visiteurs d'approcher les monuments et de les dégrader.
La pollution de l'air à Bankok et Chiang Mai devient problématique.
Je suppose que pour la plongée que je ne pratique pas, il n'y a plus de plan idyllique en Thaïlande, mais pour passer des vacances dépaysantes dans des endroits tranquilles où l'on mange bien, pour flemmarder sur des plages sans jet ski ni boîtes de nuit...ni resort hors de prix avec piscine...on trouve facilement son bonheur.
Il faut aller plus loin, sortir des circuits classiques, aller où vont les Thaïs. On y rencontre aussi des couples de jeunes Européens avec ou sans enfants, et des retraités qui passent l'hiver au soleil à bon compte.
Pour l'instant la lenteur du réseau ferroviaire préserve certaines régions du sud, difficiles d'accès pour les touristes qui ne passent que 2 semaines dans le pays.
Quand les investissements annoncés par les chinois pour relier la Chine à la Malaisie (avec un "TGV" qui traversera la Thaïlande) seront réalisés...le tourisme envahira aussi les régions plus au Sud.
La Thaïlande garde une identité culturelle très forte, et reste donc très dépaysante pour celui qui le souhaite: à Bangkok il suffit d'aller pour quelques dizaines de baths , au terminus de la ligne de bateau-bus et de se balader dans le marché pour s'en rendre compte...même chose à Chiang Mai dans le carré historique, il y a toujours une cérémonie improbable dans un des quarante temples du secteur. Voir aussi les night markets dans les petites villes avec des nourritures étranges, des chanteurs locaux ou pas et des gens qui dansent sur des musiques traditionnelles...
Les amis que j'ai emmenés du Nord au Sud de la Thaïlande ces dernières années ont trouvé le rapport qualité-prix imbattable, la cuisine excellente et une grande variété de sites, paysages et plages tranquilles.
gaura
😉 hello Xander
Bien lu ton ressenti...
Perso 1er voyage en thailande en 2000 pour passer le CAP. Super souvenir, après retour en 2009-10-11-15-16-19
Je suis retourné cette année + Laos, vrai que les petits banlieusards des cités y sont plus présent, mais faut juste ne PLUS aller dans les endroits "classiques" de masses, pipi tao PhanGAN, et j en passe...
J ai été à Sanglaburry et environs, j étais presque le seul touriste...visité Nan et alentours, mêmes agréables sensations.
Faut aussi ne plus aller en asie lors des vacances Chinoises, cata assurée avec ce peuple d'indigènes ne respectant plus rien, je ne peux plus les supporter et les évite du mieux possible.
Donc voyager maintenant demande plus de recherches et finesse, de temps et d organisation pour à la fois visiter de beaux endroits et aussi ne pas se retrouver dans une horde de touristes sans gêne.
Par exemple en Inde je sais qu en Routard je ne vais pas croiser de chinois ou petits Branl....car c'est trop dégeu pour eux, tant mieux, par contre sud de thailande ça ils adorent...faut s'adapter et vivre (malheureusement) avec cette époque que perso je n aime pas trop.
Le monde évolue trop vite, y a trop de tout...
Perso je suis Belge et reste heureux de partir en Asie du Sud Est qd je peux car j aime bcp de choses chez eux, mais suis tjr aussi content de rentrer chez moi aussi, je ne pourrai jamais habiter en Asie. a++++ alex 🙂
Bien lu ton ressenti...
Perso 1er voyage en thailande en 2000 pour passer le CAP. Super souvenir, après retour en 2009-10-11-15-16-19
Je suis retourné cette année + Laos, vrai que les petits banlieusards des cités y sont plus présent, mais faut juste ne PLUS aller dans les endroits "classiques" de masses, pipi tao PhanGAN, et j en passe...
J ai été à Sanglaburry et environs, j étais presque le seul touriste...visité Nan et alentours, mêmes agréables sensations.
Faut aussi ne plus aller en asie lors des vacances Chinoises, cata assurée avec ce peuple d'indigènes ne respectant plus rien, je ne peux plus les supporter et les évite du mieux possible.
Donc voyager maintenant demande plus de recherches et finesse, de temps et d organisation pour à la fois visiter de beaux endroits et aussi ne pas se retrouver dans une horde de touristes sans gêne.
Par exemple en Inde je sais qu en Routard je ne vais pas croiser de chinois ou petits Branl....car c'est trop dégeu pour eux, tant mieux, par contre sud de thailande ça ils adorent...faut s'adapter et vivre (malheureusement) avec cette époque que perso je n aime pas trop.
Le monde évolue trop vite, y a trop de tout...
Perso je suis Belge et reste heureux de partir en Asie du Sud Est qd je peux car j aime bcp de choses chez eux, mais suis tjr aussi content de rentrer chez moi aussi, je ne pourrai jamais habiter en Asie. a++++ alex 🙂
Alexandre
Belgium
😎vu par les américains évolution du tourisme en Thaïlande rime a ça. visionne la vidéo , chacun fera son interprétation selon son esprit
https://youtu.be/snlWDffZfyk
https://youtu.be/snlWDffZfyk
😎pour la réalité c est d aujourdhui sur pattaya sur les gens walking street
10 minutes
https://youtu.be/TIXOmix9uXs
https://youtu.be/TIXOmix9uXs
😎vu par les américains évolution du tourisme en Thaïlande rime a ça. visionne la vidéo , chacun fera son interprétation selon son esprit
https://youtu.be/snlWDffZfyk
C.est le film very bad trip...perso j ai adoré.... c est drôle et pas vraiment orienté sur le tourisme...
Il y a quelques années je suis allée à Koh phangan nous n étions pas du côté des grandes plages de là full moon et du coup c était plutôt cool et calme... donc comme partout les gens ont tendance à se concentrer au même endroit....là où on était la plage était déserte et propre....
J aime beaucoup Bangkok et il suffit parfois de faire quelques mètres hors des nids à touristes pour se retrouver dans des quartiers calmes avec très peu de touristes ...
https://youtu.be/snlWDffZfyk
C.est le film very bad trip...perso j ai adoré.... c est drôle et pas vraiment orienté sur le tourisme...
Il y a quelques années je suis allée à Koh phangan nous n étions pas du côté des grandes plages de là full moon et du coup c était plutôt cool et calme... donc comme partout les gens ont tendance à se concentrer au même endroit....là où on était la plage était déserte et propre....
J aime beaucoup Bangkok et il suffit parfois de faire quelques mètres hors des nids à touristes pour se retrouver dans des quartiers calmes avec très peu de touristes ...
Ça reste quand même une destination pas chère, on a payé en moyenne 20€/ chambre avec sdb privée et AC.
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Bonjour je souhaite diviser mon séjour en 2 parties soit 15 jours à phuket et 15 jours sur krabi. Savez-vous si je peux louer une voiture et la rendre a krabi lors de mon retour en France
Merci de vos retours
Bon dimanche
Martine
Bonjour à tous, me voilà revenue sur le forum.
Je cherche la perle rare pour mon 3eme séjour sur Koh Lanta : un bel hotel qualitatif au bord d' une plage facile d'accès dans un endroit animé. Si vous connaissez quelque chose qui s'apparente à ma recherche et que vous souhaitez partager n' hésitez pas.
Merci beaucoup
Marsyork
Je cherche la perle rare pour mon 3eme séjour sur Koh Lanta : un bel hotel qualitatif au bord d' une plage facile d'accès dans un endroit animé. Si vous connaissez quelque chose qui s'apparente à ma recherche et que vous souhaitez partager n' hésitez pas.
Merci beaucoup
Marsyork
Hi, is anyone there in Flores right now? According to some websites, everything is closed and the situation is tough. But our guide says it's fine. Who should we believe? We're supposed to leave on September 2nd. Thanks to anyone in Flores at the moment!
Bonjour précieuse communauté,
J'envisage de me rendre au Cambodge cet hiver, juste après Noël, pour un premier voyage seule, et mon premier voyage en Asie. Pour deux semaines (oui, je sais, c'est peu, mais je ne peux vraiment pas plus...). J'ai deux grandes envies: Siem Reap, et la campagne, les villages, le Mekong...
Que pensez-vous de cet itinéraire? Arrivée à Siem Reap, départ de Phnom Penh
SR: 5 jours (1 jour pour l'arrivée, 3 pour les temples, 1 pour le lac et ses villages)
Kratie (étape sur la route du Mondolkiri): 3 jours (1 jour de trajet, 2 jours sur place)
Mondolkiri/Sen Monorom: 4 jours (1 jour de trajet, 1 jour sur place, 2 jours de treks)
PP: 3 jours (1 jour de trajet, 2 jours de visite)
Je pense qu'il faut que j'enlève un jour quelque part, si je pars du samedi au samedi, ou du dimanche au dimanche. A Kratie, peut-être? à PP? et je rate le trajet en bateau que tout le monde conseille (SR-Battambang), mais je ne vois pas où le caser. Sauf à faire un PP-PP en commençant par l'est, laisser tomber Kratie ou vraiment juste une nuit, puis SR, puis PP).
Dans mon timing, j'ai l'impression que le Mondolkiri est plus proche que le Ratanakiri, qui me tentait aussi beaucoup! Est-ce que cela restera pas trop compliqué toute seule? Je pense faire appel à des guides locaux, ou une petite agence locale, pour faire une escapade dans la nature et les villages.
Je lis qu'il y a beaucoup de monde à SR entre Noël et Nouvel An, je peux aussi faire le circuit dans l'autre sens. Mais je trouvais plus facile de me familiariser avec le pays en arrivant en territoire touristique, je me trompe peut-être...
Merci pour vos conseils et avis!
Hello,
I’m planning a trip to Laos in early 2027. Does anyone know the dates for the Vat Phou festival in Champasak? Thanks!
I’m planning a trip to Laos in early 2027. Does anyone know the dates for the Vat Phou festival in Champasak? Thanks!
Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.
Hi everyone.
I’m planning my trip, and based on all the posts I’ve read, this country is amazing.
Of course, I’ve got a ton of questions for you.
Here’s a possible itinerary: Vientiane - Vang Vieng - Phonsavan - Sam Neua - Nong Khiaw + villages - Phongsali - Luang Namtha and the area - Udomxai - Huay Xai - Luang Prabang and back to Vientiane.
What do you think?
We’re planning to prioritize local transport—is it possible to do this loop?
We’d also love to go kayaking, but I’m not sure if the season’s right or where the best spot is.
For trekking—I read that Phongsali is the most authentic spot to visit villages and see wildlife. Do you know of a reliable agency and a guesthouse with reasonable prices? Is it worth taking a slow boat for a stretch on the Mekong, and if so, which route?
For accommodations, is it better to book through Booking.com and Agoda or look when we arrive?
Are mosquitoes bad in Laos, and should we take malaria prophylaxis? What’s the average daily budget (accommodation, food, visits)?
Is renting scooters a good option for exploring towns, and if so, which ones?
From what I’ve read, it’s best to carry cash—euros or dollars? Is it risky to walk around with that much cash?
I’ve still got tons of questions. Thanks to anyone who can help, and I’m open to all tips, info, etc. Thanks again
For trekking—I read that Phongsali is the most authentic spot to visit villages and see wildlife. Do you know of a reliable agency and a guesthouse with reasonable prices? Is it worth taking a slow boat for a stretch on the Mekong, and if so, which route?
For accommodations, is it better to book through Booking.com and Agoda or look when we arrive?
Are mosquitoes bad in Laos, and should we take malaria prophylaxis? What’s the average daily budget (accommodation, food, visits)?
Is renting scooters a good option for exploring towns, and if so, which ones?
From what I’ve read, it’s best to carry cash—euros or dollars? Is it risky to walk around with that much cash?
I’ve still got tons of questions. Thanks to anyone who can help, and I’m open to all tips, info, etc. Thanks again
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Vietnam in February, specifically Da Nang and Hoi An.
Does anyone know a French-speaking guide in the area?
Thanks for your help
Hi there,
I’m planning a family trip (my wife and I, both 47, and our two sons, aged 5 and 12) to Malaysia for the last week of June and the first two weeks of July 2027.
We used to love road trips as a couple, then as a trio, but since our second child arrived, we’ve taken a break with "camping village" style trips.
Now feels like the right time to get back to our old habits, while adjusting the pace for the kids.
We’re craving Asia. We’ve been lucky enough to visit Thailand, Indonesia (Bali and Lombok), and Sri Lanka before.
Friends have raved about Malaysia, so we’re definitely tempted.
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Thanks in advance for your tips!
Hello,
We’re a family of four with two teens aged 16 and 18. We’re heading to Thailand this summer. We’ll arrive in Bangkok and plan to take a flight to Luang Prabang.
I’ve seen there are some great visits and excursions to do (temples, markets, waterfalls) and maybe even venture a bit north to places like Nong Khiaw, Muang Xay, Muang Ngoy, or Oudom Xay.
But I’ve also heard about the Bokeo region with the Gibbon Experience.
Since we won’t be able to do everything, I’d love to hear about your experiences, impressions, and advice on the two options I’m considering, especially since we’ll be meeting family in Chiang Mai, Thailand, afterward.
Option 1: A loop from Luang Prabang heading slightly north, then a flight from Luang Prabang to Chiang Mai.
Option 2: A few days in Luang Prabang, exploring within a few dozen kilometers around, then heading to Bokeo province for the 2-day/1-night Gibbon Experience. For this option, I saw on Rome2Rio that it’s possible to book a ferry trip on the Mekong from Luang Prabang to Huay Xay—they mention about 8 hours. But is that realistic? What type of boat is it? Then, to get to Chiang Mai, there aren’t many options—bus or minivan—but how does crossing the border work?
Finally, for those of you who’ve been to Laos in August, what was the weather like? We’ve already visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during the same period over the past four years and weren’t really bothered by bad weather.
Thanks for your feedback! Best regards, Aurélien
Option 1: A loop from Luang Prabang heading slightly north, then a flight from Luang Prabang to Chiang Mai.
Option 2: A few days in Luang Prabang, exploring within a few dozen kilometers around, then heading to Bokeo province for the 2-day/1-night Gibbon Experience. For this option, I saw on Rome2Rio that it’s possible to book a ferry trip on the Mekong from Luang Prabang to Huay Xay—they mention about 8 hours. But is that realistic? What type of boat is it? Then, to get to Chiang Mai, there aren’t many options—bus or minivan—but how does crossing the border work?
Finally, for those of you who’ve been to Laos in August, what was the weather like? We’ve already visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during the same period over the past four years and weren’t really bothered by bad weather.
Thanks for your feedback! Best regards, Aurélien
I’m starting a discussion about guides in the Mekong Delta because we’ve just finished our trip in this region and had a hard time finding a French-speaking guide. We had Thanh—she speaks French really well and travels all over the delta region, including Ho Chi Minh City. She’s super friendly and flexible. I recommend her wholeheartedly. If it can help someone...
Feel free to contact us for her number.
Hi everyone,
I couldn’t find any recent info on Kuching.
Can anyone recommend a hotel or guesthouse for under 100 RM that’s nice and affordable? No dorms, please.
Also, does it rain a lot in November, and is it still worth visiting Semenggoh or Bako?
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hey everyone,
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Hi everyone,
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
Thanks
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
Thanks
Hi,
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days. I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome! I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Thanks
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days. I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome! I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Thanks
Hello everyone,
Not long ago, I used to travel as a couple, but my husband has since passed away, and I’ve decided to set off again. The trip I took to Cambodia in January 2025 did me a world of good.
I’m now considering Thailand, a destination we never included in our plans because even 15 years ago, people said it was too touristy. Still, I’m thinking about the itinerary below, but I don’t feel up to arranging buses, trains, or guides on my own while I’m there. I’m looking for one or more drivers and have been in touch with an agency, but their offers are just copy-paste group tours that I don’t want.
So, if you have any contacts, experiences, or advice, I’d be so grateful if you’d share them with me. Here’s my rough plan:
Arrival in Bangkok
Ayutthaya (2 nights)
Kanchanaburi (2 or 3 nights)
Sangkhlaburi/Sai Yok (3 nights)
Sukhothai (2 nights)
Lampang (I’ve planned 3 nights, but that might be a bit much—it depends on what time I arrive in the city)
Chiang Mai
Chiang Dao
Pai
Chiang Rai
I was thinking about the Mae Hong Son loop—thoughts?
What do you think about staying overnight at the Golden Triangle?
When I look online, of course, I can find agencies that organize tours to national parks, etc.
I’m retired but in great physical shape. I’d rather go hiking than sit in hot springs with crowds of tourists who’ve all arranged meet-ups. I don’t want to spend a day at an elephant camp, and I don’t want to visit Karen villages.
I’d love to hear your advice.
Thank you all,
Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
I've scoured this site, which is usually my go-to 😉, and others like VoyageForum, but recent info is pretty scarce.
I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Time to hit the road again!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Hello,
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!

