Avec 6 jours à Pékin a-t-on le temps de visiter Chengdé?
by Mikabu
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour
Dans notre périple de 30 jours en Chine on a prévu de consacrer 6 jours à Pékin et sa proche région (grande muraille).
A-t-on le temps de visiter Chengdé, est-ce raisonnable ?
On arrive de Datong, par le train de nuit, très tôt à Pékin (5h du matin) et on pourrait embrayer en prenant un bus pour Chengdé, y arriver vers 10h, visite, nuit, le lendemain poursuite de la visite (si nécessaire ?) et route pour Pékin où il ne nous resterait que 4 jours pour la ville et la grande muraille.
On pourrait aussi sur le retour de Chengdé s'arrêter à une portion de la grande muraille (mais on aurait nos bagages).
Dernière possibilité, rester sur Pékin 6 jours avec bien sûr une excursion à la grande muraille.
Au fait avez-vous un hébergement à me conseiller sur Pékin ,
D'avance merci.
Cordialement
Michèle
Bonjour,
Cela dépend beaucoup de vos centres d'intérêt et du temps que vous consacrez typiquement à visiter tel ou tel type de lieu. Si c'était moi, je n'irais pas à Chengde.
ctrip.com et elong.net propose en général des hébergements ayant un bon rapport qualité-prix, mais ils ne couvrent pas toute la gamme de prix.
Cela dépend beaucoup de vos centres d'intérêt et du temps que vous consacrez typiquement à visiter tel ou tel type de lieu. Si c'était moi, je n'irais pas à Chengde.
ctrip.com et elong.net propose en général des hébergements ayant un bon rapport qualité-prix, mais ils ne couvrent pas toute la gamme de prix.
oui, on m'a dit que le palais d'été n'était pas si intéressants. Restent alors les temples tibétains mais leur visite suffit-elle à justifier un voyage de 2 fois 4h ? Ce qui v veut dire nécessairement 1.5 voire 2 jours avec les transports consacré à Chengdé. Je pense qu'il vaut mieux que l'on se concentre sur Pékin et ses abords immédiats.
J'ai posté un autre article consacré à la partie Pingyao, Wutaishan et Datong où je galère un peu. Si vous pouviez m'aider, ce srait formidable.
D'avance merci
Michèle
Bonjour,
Chengde a figuré tout en bas de mes priorités quand j'habitais à Beijing et je n'ai pas regretté ce choix quand j'ai fini par y aller.
Oui, j'ai vu votre autre fil, mais le problème n'est pas simple. J'ai fait le trajet dans le sens inverse, ce qui était plus facile à organiser.
Chengde a figuré tout en bas de mes priorités quand j'habitais à Beijing et je n'ai pas regretté ce choix quand j'ai fini par y aller.
Oui, j'ai vu votre autre fil, mais le problème n'est pas simple. J'ai fait le trajet dans le sens inverse, ce qui était plus facile à organiser.
oui j'ai l'impression aussi que dans l'autre sens cela est plus facile.
Par contre vous, qui y êtes allé, Wutaishan en vaut-il vraiment la peine ?
Ce n'est pas que le site manque d'intérêt (je l'ai trouvé plus intéressant que Chengde), mais entre la difficulté logistique et le temps de transport, je ne vous conseille pas de faire l'impossible pour y aller.
Ce n'est pas que le site manque d'intérêt (je l'ai trouvé plus intéressant que Chengde), mais entre la difficulté logistique et le temps de transport, je ne vous conseille pas de faire l'impossible pour y aller.
D'accord avec Marathon : c'est vraiment courir .
Maintenant , c'est possible pour Chengde SI vous repartez en fin d'après-midi ( train ) à Pékin . Vous auriez de +- 10h à +-16-17h sur place : en prenant un taxi pour vous dès l'arrivée ( INDISPENSABLE ! ) , vous pouvez visiter le Putuozongcheng qui est un Potala en réduction ( photo 1 ) , le Pule qui est au centre une réplique du temple du ciel à Pékin ( photo 2 ) , le Sumzru et terminer par le "palais d'été" en en visitant ce que vous pourrez , le parc étant gigantesque ; ne manquez pas peu après l'entrée le temple avec l'extraordinaire statue en bois de +- 22m ! ( photo 3 )
Wutaishan : j'avais fait ceci MAIS en taxi privé ( je ne connais pas les horaires de bus et de toute façon , les bus locaux ne s'arrêtent pas au temple perché ) : départ tôt de Datong pour le temple "perché" ( sur pilotis en fait ) puis d'autres dans la région ( il y a un téléphérique ) puis Yinxiang et sa magnifique pagode ( ph 4 ) puis route montant et redescendant dans la vallée de Wutaishan . Il y a un complexe de grands hôtels à +- 5 km au sud de Taihuai : ne pas dormir là mais dans Taihuai même car le lendemain , on peut visiter l'essentiel à pied + un peu de taxi . Ne pas se laisser impressionner par le nombre officiel de temples : en fait , seuls sont intéressants le Tayuan ( ph 5 ) , le Xiantong ( ph 6 ) , le Nanshan ( ph 7 ) et le...( j'ai oublié ! ) ph 8 . Monter ( téléphérique ) au Dailo : bien et vue superbe ! ph 9
Le surlendemain , prendre le bus pour Taiyuan
"D'accord avec Marathon : c'est vraiment courir. " Je ne comprends qu'est-ce qui serait vraiment courir : aller à Chengdé et y consacrer une journée ou une journée et demi ?
Ou bien passer par Wutaishan en consacrant 5 jours à la partie Pingyao, Wutaishan et Datong ?
Vous souvenez-vous du coût d'un taxi privé ? On serait 2 couples avec 4 bagages, trouve-t-on des taxis assez grands ? Vous l'aviez pris que sur un jour pour faire le trajet de Datong à Wutaishan en passant par le temple suspendu, c'est bien ça ? C'est ce que voulais faire mais dans l'autre sens. Si vraiment c'est plus facile à trouver de Datong, on peut s'arranger pour le faire dans ce sens. On prendrait un train de nuit Pingyao/Datong puis voiture privé comme vous et retour de Wutaishan à Beijing en train de nuit avec un taxi pour aller du site à la gare de Wutaishan. Je trouve cela moins logique mais peut-être plus facile à organiser.
2 jours pleins de visite à Pingyao est-ce bien ou 1 jour et une matinée cela suffit-il ? A Datong une journée pour la ville et les grottes et une journée pour rejoindre Wutaishan. I journée seulement à Taihuai est-ce suffisant pour voir les temples que vous avez mentionnés et monter au Dailo ?
Vous parlez d'un bus pour Taiyuan, je croyais qu'il n'y en avait pas de direct ?
Merci pour votre aide Michèle
Vous souvenez-vous du coût d'un taxi privé ? On serait 2 couples avec 4 bagages, trouve-t-on des taxis assez grands ? Vous l'aviez pris que sur un jour pour faire le trajet de Datong à Wutaishan en passant par le temple suspendu, c'est bien ça ? C'est ce que voulais faire mais dans l'autre sens. Si vraiment c'est plus facile à trouver de Datong, on peut s'arranger pour le faire dans ce sens. On prendrait un train de nuit Pingyao/Datong puis voiture privé comme vous et retour de Wutaishan à Beijing en train de nuit avec un taxi pour aller du site à la gare de Wutaishan. Je trouve cela moins logique mais peut-être plus facile à organiser.
2 jours pleins de visite à Pingyao est-ce bien ou 1 jour et une matinée cela suffit-il ? A Datong une journée pour la ville et les grottes et une journée pour rejoindre Wutaishan. I journée seulement à Taihuai est-ce suffisant pour voir les temples que vous avez mentionnés et monter au Dailo ?
Vous parlez d'un bus pour Taiyuan, je croyais qu'il n'y en avait pas de direct ?
Merci pour votre aide Michèle
A) Je croyais avoir été clair : passer 2 jours à Chengde sur 6 à Pékin et alentours , hum !
C'est pourquoi je vous ai proposé une fin de matinée et une partie d'après-midi à Chengde où avec un taxi , vous pouvez voir l'essentiel . Si on veut TOUT visiter à Chengde , c'est au moins 2 jours et demi : je crois que la muraille du "palais d'été" fait 11 km de circonférence !
B) Pardon pour Wutaishan et le sens de votre circuit puisque vous venez du sud .
Je pense qu'une journée entière + une soirée permettent de bien visiter Pingyao : au fond , c'est un carré parfait de 2 km sur 2 . Pour aller au nord ensuite , je ne peux pas vous aider puisque je l'ai fait dans l'autre sens . Il vous faudra un taxi privé à partir de Pingyao . Pourquoi ? Il y a 4 belles visites entre Pingyao et la vallée de Wutaishan , faisables sans problème en une journée :
1) les 2 "demeures" des ex milliardaires , Wang et... , 2 villages en fait tellement c'est vaste . On y tourne plein de feuilletons antiques . +- 1 h chacune .
2) Jinci , à +- 35 km de Taiyuan : très joli parc , +- 1 h aussi .
3) Taiyuan même : 2 parmi les plus hautes pagodes de Chine + un musée superbe , neuf , à taille humaine , +- 1h30 à 2 h de visite .
C) J'ai visité sans me presser ( 2 mini courses en taxi pour les temples un peu éloignés ) les temples dont j'ai parlé autour de Taihuai en 1 journée .
D) Il vous faudra aussi un taxi privé pour aller à Datong SI ( mais tous les touristes veulent le faire ) vous voulez visiter les temples dans la région du temple perché et ce temple lui-même .
E) Je connais pratiquement tous les grands sites bouddhiques du monde : Yungang , c'est le must , hors concours ! Pour de meilleures photos , à visiter dès l'ouverture le matin . Les fantastiques intérieurs des premières grottes face à l'entrée ne peuvent pas être photographiées , l'entrée oui et celles sur la gauche oui ( photo 1 ). On peut être saturé en 2 h ou être fasciné toute une matinée ; une partie de la muraille de Chine en terre surplombe le site .
Datong même : de magnifiques remparts ( neufs ! ) , un joli mur des dragons et un grand temple...bof . Suggestion si vous y restez toute une journée : après Yungang , louez un taxi et allez au nord de Datong ; au bout de +- 10/15 km maximum , vous arrivez à la muraille en terre . A droite , une courte descente dallée et un parking où il n'y a personne face à une "porte" qui donne sur un ex camp militaire du temps des empereurs et qui est intégré à cette muraille . Ce site à mon avis sensationnel était en 2011 TOTALEMENT inexploité ( photos 2-3-4 ) .
Merci pour cette explication.
Donc si je comprends bien, vous ne me déconseillez pas d'aller à Chengde mais en 1 jour seulement pour ne pas trop amputer mon capital temps sur Pékin. Il me resterait alors 5 jours pour la ville et les environs.
A ce sujet, j'en profite pour avoir votre avis sur le tronçon de la grande muraille le plus sympa à visiter. J'ai exclu Badaling qui semble être le plus visité et je pensais à Mutianyu ou alors Jinshanling sur la route de retour de Chengdé si on y va.
Avez-vous un avis sur le sujet ?
Quand vous parlez de visiter une partie de la muraille en terre au nord de Datong, voulez-vous parler de Deshengbao mentionné dans le Lonely Planet ?
Sinon vous dites "Pour aller au nord ensuite, je ne peux pas vous aider puisque je l'ai fait dans l'autre sens. Il vous faudra un taxi privé à partir de Pingyao."
Quelle importance le sens ? Avez-vous pris un taxi privé ? Je suppose que oui.
De même pour Wutaishan/Datong.
Ma question revient alors : quel est le coût d'un taxi privé pour une telle journée ?
Et peut-on n'en prendre qu'un seul pour 4 (avec les bagages) ?
En tous les cas merci de votre aide. J'avance grâce à vous en particulier en me rendant mieux compte du temps nécessaire pour chaque site.
D'avance merci pour la suite
Michèle
bonjour,
la visite de Chengde est super. moi je l'est fait en partant de pékin le matin tôt et je suis revenu le lendemain. Les temple tibétain son vraiment magnifique.
pour la muraille de chine je vous conseille de faire celle ou vous pouvez faire une ballade d'une demi journée dessus.
on a négocie avec auberge de jeunesse. vous partez le matin il vous dépose a la muraille vous faite le parcourt il vous reprenne a l'autre sorti. ballade authentique vous voyez la muraille ancienne. et après arrêt repas et vous finisse par les tombeau des mings
Si c'est un premier voyage pourquoi courir aux cinq cent mille diables.
Pekin est une bonne base pour faire des visites.
Le Palais d'été. Tout dépend de la saison. Je l'ai trouvé fabuleux en Janvier (il faisait très froid)
Il y a beaucoup à faire et à voir sur Pékin. On ne s'y ennuie jamais. Mais il est vrai que je suis une inconditionnelle.
ctrip.com et elong.net propose en général des hébergements ayant un bon rapport qualité-prix, mais ils ne couvrent pas toute la gamme de prix.
Je rebondis juste sur ce point : ctrip est vraiment un bon site (je n'ai jamais utilisé elong.net) pour trouver des hébergements corrects à des prix abordables en Chine, surtout hors des grandes villes comme Pékin ou Shanghai, qui sont très bien référencées dans les guides style LP. C'est moins le cas ailleurs, d'où l'utilité de ctrip, que j'ai utilisé dans des villes comme Urumqi, Dandong, Changchun ou Shenyan.
L'inconvénient, c'est que je n'ai jamais rencontré personne qui parle anglais dans les hôtels choisis. C'est pas un problème car de toute façon la réservation apparaît dans leur base de données. Ca empêche juste de poser des questions très pratiques. Mais en même temps, je préfère ça aux hostels à backpackers : quitte à être à 10 000 bornes de chez soi, autant s'immerger que de recréer son monde avec d'autres occidentaux.
Je rebondis juste sur ce point : ctrip est vraiment un bon site (je n'ai jamais utilisé elong.net) pour trouver des hébergements corrects à des prix abordables en Chine, surtout hors des grandes villes comme Pékin ou Shanghai, qui sont très bien référencées dans les guides style LP. C'est moins le cas ailleurs, d'où l'utilité de ctrip, que j'ai utilisé dans des villes comme Urumqi, Dandong, Changchun ou Shenyan.
L'inconvénient, c'est que je n'ai jamais rencontré personne qui parle anglais dans les hôtels choisis. C'est pas un problème car de toute façon la réservation apparaît dans leur base de données. Ca empêche juste de poser des questions très pratiques. Mais en même temps, je préfère ça aux hostels à backpackers : quitte à être à 10 000 bornes de chez soi, autant s'immerger que de recréer son monde avec d'autres occidentaux.
Si c'est un premier voyage pourquoi courir aux cinq cent mille diables.
Pekin est une bonne base pour faire des visites.
parce que je ne suis pas sure du tout d'y retourner un jour, tout simplement. donc j'essaie de voir le maximum de choses tout en essayant de ne pas trop courir quand même. d'où des choix pas toujours faciles
parce que je ne suis pas sure du tout d'y retourner un jour, tout simplement. donc j'essaie de voir le maximum de choses tout en essayant de ne pas trop courir quand même. d'où des choix pas toujours faciles
Bonjour
Nous avons fait Chengde au depart de pekin. 2 demi journée (celles des trajets AR) et une journée pleine soit 3 jours (transport en train et bus) On a vu "notre" essentiel à savoir le puning si, le putuo et le mini potola, ainsi que le palais d'été. Pas l'impression de courir. Attention à prendre un hotel à côté du palais car la ville est immense et il y a beaucoup de circulation. "Notre" avis : les temples sont très beaux et nous ont permis d'avoir un mini aperçu de l'ambiance tibetaine. Le palais d'été : horriblement cher, énormément de monde, certes joli et agreable mais ne restera pas dans les annales !
Pour la muraille, nous avons fait mutiayu (au départ de Pékin) et jinshangling depuis simatai (cf post sur le dongpo inn). Les 2 sont très belles, petit faible pour jinshangling . Y aller à l'ouverture !!!
Une solution peut être : prendre un taxi privé (je pense que je n'ai pas le droit de mettre son site) . Il a un tour sur 2 jours (2 temples, le palais d'été et la muraille) avec un vehicule 7 places. Ca vous laisse 4 jours plein pour pekin. C'est faisable mais pas de tout repos ! Vous vous reposerez après 😉
Pour le reste Pingyao on a adoré on y est resté 4 jours, en 1 journée ça me parait difficile d'en profiter, mais ça reste mon avis perso. Datong et wutaishan du coup pas le temps de faire, on a fait Mianshan à la place (à 1h de Pingyao) ! Voilà, en tous les cas c'est un très beau voyage.
Nathalie
Nous avons fait Chengde au depart de pekin. 2 demi journée (celles des trajets AR) et une journée pleine soit 3 jours (transport en train et bus) On a vu "notre" essentiel à savoir le puning si, le putuo et le mini potola, ainsi que le palais d'été. Pas l'impression de courir. Attention à prendre un hotel à côté du palais car la ville est immense et il y a beaucoup de circulation. "Notre" avis : les temples sont très beaux et nous ont permis d'avoir un mini aperçu de l'ambiance tibetaine. Le palais d'été : horriblement cher, énormément de monde, certes joli et agreable mais ne restera pas dans les annales !
Pour la muraille, nous avons fait mutiayu (au départ de Pékin) et jinshangling depuis simatai (cf post sur le dongpo inn). Les 2 sont très belles, petit faible pour jinshangling . Y aller à l'ouverture !!!
Une solution peut être : prendre un taxi privé (je pense que je n'ai pas le droit de mettre son site) . Il a un tour sur 2 jours (2 temples, le palais d'été et la muraille) avec un vehicule 7 places. Ca vous laisse 4 jours plein pour pekin. C'est faisable mais pas de tout repos ! Vous vous reposerez après 😉
Pour le reste Pingyao on a adoré on y est resté 4 jours, en 1 journée ça me parait difficile d'en profiter, mais ça reste mon avis perso. Datong et wutaishan du coup pas le temps de faire, on a fait Mianshan à la place (à 1h de Pingyao) ! Voilà, en tous les cas c'est un très beau voyage.
Nathalie
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Thanks for your help!
We’re arriving as a group of three in Tokyo on Saturday, October 17th, then heading straight to Kyoto by direct train. On Sunday and Monday, we’ll explore Kyoto, and in the evening, we’ll take a train to Osaka to spend the night. On Tuesday, we’ll pick up a rental car at Itami Airport for a 6-day/5-night road trip around Shikoku: - 2 nights in the Iya Valley - Thursday morning, we’ll head to Matsuyama for 2 nights. - Saturday, we’ll visit Mima (town, a few temples + overnight stay) and return on Sunday to drop off the car in Osaka. We’ll leave very early on Monday the 26th by plane for Aomori in northern Honshu, where we’ll pick up another rental car at the airport for a 5-day/4-night trip: - Day 1: Tsugaru Peninsula (Takayam Inari, Cape Tappi, Kanita); overnight in Kanita - Day 2: Ferry transfer to the Mutsu Peninsula (cliffs, Lake Usori); overnight in Shimofuro - Day 3: Head to the Hakkoda Mountains and onsens galore; overnight TBD - Day 4: Return the car in Aomori by noon and explore the city before taking the train to Tokyo in the evening We’ll spend Friday night in Tokyo, wander around on Saturday, and head home on Sunday.
Thoughts on the road feasibility of this trip? We’ll be there right in the middle of Koyo season, so it’ll be busy... I know it’s a lot of driving, but there are two of us who can take turns. We’re not afraid of driving, even in the mountains and on the left side! Just wondering, are we going to be rushing, or is this manageable? AI says it’s all good, but it’s not the one driving... Any tips for booking accommodations in the Iya Valley? Not many places have email addresses or websites (I know Booking.com exists, but not all listings are on there... and given the season, I think it’s better to book ahead!). Same question applies for northern Honshu. For the rental car, I’m thinking of going with Alamo since at least it’s in French and straightforward, but are there any direct rental companies with user-friendly websites (Toyota Rentacar, ugh... 🏴☠️)? Another question: With so many trains, is it even necessary to book them in advance? Can we just go to the ticket counter and grab seats on the spot? For paying for the rental car, do we need a credit or debit card?
Thanks for your help!
Hi there,
I’m starting to look at neighborhoods in Seoul, and I’m leaning toward staying in a hotel in Insa-Dong—I’ve spotted one really close to Unhyeongung. Is this a good area—nice and convenient for exploring the city?
Otherwise, I’ve also found another hotel in Yongsan-Gu, right near the station of the same name. Is that station useful for getting around Seoul?
Since I’ll be in South Korea for nearly two months, I plan to spend at least a week in Seoul to recover from jet lag (it takes me a while to adjust...). So, I’d love a neighborhood that’s pleasant and a hotel not too far from a subway station.
Thanks in advance!
I’m starting to look at neighborhoods in Seoul, and I’m leaning toward staying in a hotel in Insa-Dong—I’ve spotted one really close to Unhyeongung. Is this a good area—nice and convenient for exploring the city?
Otherwise, I’ve also found another hotel in Yongsan-Gu, right near the station of the same name. Is that station useful for getting around Seoul?
Since I’ll be in South Korea for nearly two months, I plan to spend at least a week in Seoul to recover from jet lag (it takes me a while to adjust...). So, I’d love a neighborhood that’s pleasant and a hotel not too far from a subway station.
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’m staying in Atami for 2 nights in October. I was thinking of exploring the area and trying to see Mount Fuji.
I was planning to go to Shizuoka. And also enjoy the onsen (hot springs).
Don’t hesitate to share any tips or recommendations—I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance.
I’m staying in Atami for 2 nights in October. I was thinking of exploring the area and trying to see Mount Fuji.
I was planning to go to Shizuoka. And also enjoy the onsen (hot springs).
Don’t hesitate to share any tips or recommendations—I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance.
I could really use your help to finalize our trip to Japan.
We’re heading there for three weeks with my partner, starting November 10th. Our plan was to visit Tokyo, Kyoto, and a few stops in between (nothing too original so far…).
However, we’re more into nature and hiking, so even though we do want to explore Tokyo and Kyoto, we’d like to maximize nature stops between the two. Initially, we’d considered places like Kamikochi, but I understand it’s not accessible this late in the season.
Here’s our current itinerary:
1. 2-3 days in Tokyo
2. Fujigoko stop: Mount Mitsutoge - Planned hike: https://www.alltrails.com/fr/randonnee/japan/yamanashi/mount-mitsutoge-trail
3. Suwa / Matsumoto stop: Kirigamine Plateau & Lake Suwa - Planned hike: https://www.alltrails.com/fr/randonnee/japan/nagano/kirigamine-mount-kuruma-yashimagahara-wetland-loop - Matsumoto Castle
4. Nagano stop: Togakushi Sacred Forest - Hike among giant cedars: https://www.alltrails.com/trail/japan/nagano/togakushi-shrine-okusha or https://www.alltrails.com/fr/randonnee/japan/nagano/mount-togakushi-trail - Ebisu-ko fireworks
5. Kiso Valley stop - Senjojiki Cirque - Magome-Tsumago hike: https://www.alltrails.com/trail/japan/gifu/nakasendo-magome-tsumago
6. 3-4 days in Kyoto - Mount Kurama: https://www.alltrails.com/trail/japan/kyoto/kurama-trail
7. 2-3 days in Tokyo
I’m still checking if this is doable time-wise. We’d love to soak up each place, enjoy the food and onsens, and stay in a ryokan at one of the stops.
However, we’re more into nature and hiking, so even though we do want to explore Tokyo and Kyoto, we’d like to maximize nature stops between the two. Initially, we’d considered places like Kamikochi, but I understand it’s not accessible this late in the season.
Here’s our current itinerary:
1. 2-3 days in Tokyo
2. Fujigoko stop: Mount Mitsutoge - Planned hike: https://www.alltrails.com/fr/randonnee/japan/yamanashi/mount-mitsutoge-trail
3. Suwa / Matsumoto stop: Kirigamine Plateau & Lake Suwa - Planned hike: https://www.alltrails.com/fr/randonnee/japan/nagano/kirigamine-mount-kuruma-yashimagahara-wetland-loop - Matsumoto Castle
4. Nagano stop: Togakushi Sacred Forest - Hike among giant cedars: https://www.alltrails.com/trail/japan/nagano/togakushi-shrine-okusha or https://www.alltrails.com/fr/randonnee/japan/nagano/mount-togakushi-trail - Ebisu-ko fireworks
5. Kiso Valley stop - Senjojiki Cirque - Magome-Tsumago hike: https://www.alltrails.com/trail/japan/gifu/nakasendo-magome-tsumago
6. 3-4 days in Kyoto - Mount Kurama: https://www.alltrails.com/trail/japan/kyoto/kurama-trail
7. 2-3 days in Tokyo
I’m still checking if this is doable time-wise. We’d love to soak up each place, enjoy the food and onsens, and stay in a ryokan at one of the stops.
Hi there,
I’d like to do this cycling route over 2 or 3 days. I’m struggling to figure out and find a (good) bike rental that lets me start in Onomichi and drop off in Imabari. Can anyone help with great tips for rentals and accommodations along the route? How do I get back to Onomichi afterward?
Hey everyone,
Next year, we’re celebrating 20 years of marriage (and travel 🙂), and we’re looking for something new, pretty legendary, and something the teens will enjoy too.
The family council has settled on Japan for now. And it’d have to be a summer trip—no choice there.
The catch: I keep reading that August isn’t the right season for southern Japan. It’s hot, humid, and there’s a risk of typhoons… Okay, but what does that *actually* mean in practice? Are there any travelers who’ve been there during this time? Is it *that* unbearable? We’re pretty familiar with Southeast Asia—last year, we dealt with scorching heat in Vietnam and insane humidity, plus a typhoon we experienced from a distance, and visiting Angkor in the blazing sun. Is it worse than that?
Thanks for your feedback 😉
Next year, we’re celebrating 20 years of marriage (and travel 🙂), and we’re looking for something new, pretty legendary, and something the teens will enjoy too.
The family council has settled on Japan for now. And it’d have to be a summer trip—no choice there.
The catch: I keep reading that August isn’t the right season for southern Japan. It’s hot, humid, and there’s a risk of typhoons… Okay, but what does that *actually* mean in practice? Are there any travelers who’ve been there during this time? Is it *that* unbearable? We’re pretty familiar with Southeast Asia—last year, we dealt with scorching heat in Vietnam and insane humidity, plus a typhoon we experienced from a distance, and visiting Angkor in the blazing sun. Is it worse than that?
Thanks for your feedback 😉
hi there
I’m back with my detailed itinerary for 20 days in South Korea—it’s my first trip to the country. Our idea is to experience a more rural and cultural Korea. Here’s the rough plan: Seoul for 4 nights at the start and 1 night at the end, Gurye for 4 nights, Suncheon for 4 nights, Namhae for 4 nights, and Gyeongju for 2 nights. The goal is to pick a base and explore the surrounding areas. What do you think of this itinerary? Anything you’d change? thanks
philippe
I’m back with my detailed itinerary for 20 days in South Korea—it’s my first trip to the country. Our idea is to experience a more rural and cultural Korea. Here’s the rough plan: Seoul for 4 nights at the start and 1 night at the end, Gurye for 4 nights, Suncheon for 4 nights, Namhae for 4 nights, and Gyeongju for 2 nights. The goal is to pick a base and explore the surrounding areas. What do you think of this itinerary? Anything you’d change? thanks
philippe
hi everyone, we're heading out for a 12-day trek in the Japanese Alps. We're bringing freeze-dried meals like we always do. We just found out that importing meat is banned, even freeze-dried. Is that true? We already bought them. They're commercially made freeze-dried meals. Online, it's not specified that they have to be "commercially made" because you can make your own freeze-dried food. And since we've heard they're really strict in Japan, can anyone confirm this for us? thanks
Hi there,
I haven’t found what I’m looking for despite my searches!
For a 15-day trip next spring, I’d like to buy a card (preferably an eSIM, but a physical SIM is fine too) that also lets me make calls in the country (to contact a hotel, a tourist spot, etc.).
You can easily find options just for data, but I haven’t come across any that include calls, texts, or even MMS. Could you recommend something?
Thanks in advance
I haven’t found what I’m looking for despite my searches!
For a 15-day trip next spring, I’d like to buy a card (preferably an eSIM, but a physical SIM is fine too) that also lets me make calls in the country (to contact a hotel, a tourist spot, etc.).
You can easily find options just for data, but I haven’t come across any that include calls, texts, or even MMS. Could you recommend something?
Thanks in advance
hi there
I’m planning a trip in September—here’s my rough itinerary. What do you think? Is it easy to rent a car to get around between my stops? Thanks so much!
Philippe StopNightsFull daysSeoul44Gurye (Jirisan)43Suncheon43Namhae43Gyeongju21Seoul1—
Philippe StopNightsFull daysSeoul44Gurye (Jirisan)43Suncheon43Namhae43Gyeongju21Seoul1—
Hi,
July 2026: I’m writing to you from Dali.
First, I got scammed on Booking—AI-retouched photos. No tourists at this hotel (Yishanju Designer Hotel), and the reality was horrible: dirty, with a disgusting breakfast. It’s better to use Trip.com here.
Next, the old town was an infernal cacophony, packed with tourists who shoved past without a care. Some vendors harassed you to buy things. All the stalls sold the same cheap plastic junk or other uninteresting stuff. The beautiful scenery was ruined by vendors lining 100% of the alleys. Impossible to walk, crushing heat, nothing good to eat except fresh fruit. Horrible experience.
Day 2: We went to Cangshan Mountain by cable car—the ride was short and nothing spectacular. We were at 2,600 m.
My plan was to see Erhai Lake. Unfortunately, I followed the advice of an AI chatbot: take the boat at Langkan Dock. The Didi dropped us off in the nearest area, which was full of charming little alleys but packed with Chinese tourists. The three-wheeled yellow cabs zoomed through the narrow streets, forcing you to hug the walls, on top of the scooters and other pedestrians to deal with. Crossing the neighborhood was hellish and suffocating. Once out, we hit the "corniche," which was also packed with Chinese tourists. The lake’s edge was all pebbles, and everyone was standing around taking photos. I was with my 5-year-old son. I would’ve liked to sit down and let him play with stones by the water, but it was clear we didn’t belong. They were even shoving each other for a shot! There were no boats in sight. In short, we’d had enough, and there was nothing interesting there either.
On the way back, we had to cross that maze again under the scorching sun. My son was braver than me—I even had a little dizzy spell from all the chaos. Add to that Dali’s altitude (2,200 m), so altitude insomnia, fatigue, and vulnerability during the day...
The restaurants weren’t inviting—the staff served sticky rice in a little bucket. The dishes were wrapped, and you had to figure it out yourself. After that, they ignored you completely, even if you were the only tourist.
On the 3rd day, it was time to leave for Shaxi. I hope to see beautiful villages. But honestly, I’m exhausted by this atmosphere where everything is complicated, communication is never smooth, noise is everywhere, and the behavior of some Chinese people is abusive...
Silver lining: not a drop of rain in 4 days and blue skies.
I couldn’t visit the villages in southern Yunnan because of rain and storms there... But I was expecting to see a few more tourists.
I couldn’t visit the villages in southern Yunnan because of rain and storms there... But I was expecting to see a few more tourists.
Hi,
Great article that really captures what makes South Korea so appealing!
South Korea: Between Hallyu and the search for authenticity, the French are falling for the destination
Great article that really captures what makes South Korea so appealing!
South Korea: Between Hallyu and the search for authenticity, the French are falling for the destination
Hello,
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
Hi there,
My girlfriend (23) and I (24) are heading to Japan for the first time from October 20th to November 6th. Here’s our itinerary:
6 nights in Tokyo 1 night in Hakone (ryokan already booked) 4 nights in Kyoto (hotel already booked) 2 nights in Osaka 4 nights back in Tokyo I’d like to book hotels for Tokyo (both stays) and Osaka, but I’ve gotten so many different recommendations.
I’ve read that Shinjuku is the place to be for its huge hub, accessibility, and things to do, but I’ve also heard about Shibuya, Asakusa, and Ueno. I’ve looked at hotels, and first off, I’m surprised by the prices compared to what I’ve seen on forums (I guess inflation’s hit here too… and maybe I’m late to the booking game?). I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with all the options.
For our first stay in Tokyo, I’d prefer a hotel (not a residence or Airbnb) since we’ll be arriving at night, and it’s our first time in Japan. It’d be great to have a place with a reception, staff who speak at least a little English, and can give us some guidance. For the second stay, we could consider other options if it’s better. Budget-wise, we can go up to 150–180 € per night, but if we can save some money to spend elsewhere, that’d be amazing!
I’m open to all recommendations, hotel suggestions, or any other tips for Tokyo (first stay), Osaka, and Tokyo (second stay).
Thanks so much!
6 nights in Tokyo 1 night in Hakone (ryokan already booked) 4 nights in Kyoto (hotel already booked) 2 nights in Osaka 4 nights back in Tokyo I’d like to book hotels for Tokyo (both stays) and Osaka, but I’ve gotten so many different recommendations.
I’ve read that Shinjuku is the place to be for its huge hub, accessibility, and things to do, but I’ve also heard about Shibuya, Asakusa, and Ueno. I’ve looked at hotels, and first off, I’m surprised by the prices compared to what I’ve seen on forums (I guess inflation’s hit here too… and maybe I’m late to the booking game?). I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with all the options.
For our first stay in Tokyo, I’d prefer a hotel (not a residence or Airbnb) since we’ll be arriving at night, and it’s our first time in Japan. It’d be great to have a place with a reception, staff who speak at least a little English, and can give us some guidance. For the second stay, we could consider other options if it’s better. Budget-wise, we can go up to 150–180 € per night, but if we can save some money to spend elsewhere, that’d be amazing!
I’m open to all recommendations, hotel suggestions, or any other tips for Tokyo (first stay), Osaka, and Tokyo (second stay).
Thanks so much!
Hi there.
I’m traveling solo to China in October '26, heading to these spots:
Guilin - Yangshuo - Chengdu – Leshan – Chongqing – Zhangjiajie - Furong – Shanghai
Any guides you’d recommend?
Tons of "agencies" (gowithguide, Hellechinaguide, etc.) offer guides. Can I reach out to them? I also speak English.
Any other tips for me?
Thanks! !
Guilin - Yangshuo - Chengdu – Leshan – Chongqing – Zhangjiajie - Furong – Shanghai
Any guides you’d recommend?
Tons of "agencies" (gowithguide, Hellechinaguide, etc.) offer guides. Can I reach out to them? I also speak English.
Any other tips for me?
Thanks! !
Hi there,
I’m getting ready for a classic tourist trip to China in May 2026.
The "Terres Lointaines" itinerary looks good to me, and the price is interesting.
Has anyone traveled with them before? Any feedback?
Is there a better option?
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences on this!
Michel
hi, does anyone have suggestions or contacts for a private local driver without going through a big travel agency for a multi-day trip in Yunnan?
thanks for any info
thanks for any info
Hi there,
I just booked my hotel in Seoul—it’ll be near Unhyeongung, on Samil-Daero 30-Gil—and I’m wondering if there’s public transport from the airport to this address (bus or subway)? If not, what’s the taxi fare? I read it’s around 50 or 60 €.
I just booked my hotel in Seoul—it’ll be near Unhyeongung, on Samil-Daero 30-Gil—and I’m wondering if there’s public transport from the airport to this address (bus or subway)? If not, what’s the taxi fare? I read it’s around 50 or 60 €.
I’m traveling to Japan with a young adult with autism (ASD) from July 28 to August 8, following a pretty classic route: Osaka, Hiroshima, Kyoto, and Tokyo. I’m looking for a schedule of the most spectacular fireworks displays during that time. So far, the dates for the major *hanabi* events aren’t available online yet. If anyone has them, I’d really appreciate it if you could share!
Hi there,
We’ll be doing a self-drive trip using public transport in May 2026.
On Day 6, we’ll arrive in Hakone by train from Tokyo in late morning. We’ll spend the night in Hakone before heading to Kyoto.
The main goal of this stop is clearly the view (no hiking) of Mount Fuji, not so much exploring Hakone, where the sights seem limited. I’ve read on the forum that the view is great from Gotemba, but it also takes a good hour by bus to get there. And, apart from that view, there’s nothing else to see in Gotemba!
So, I’m not sure what to choose. Any thoughts? Or alternatives to suggest? Maybe some spots in Hakone or Gotemba for a great view?
Thanks in advance.
We’ll be doing a self-drive trip using public transport in May 2026.
On Day 6, we’ll arrive in Hakone by train from Tokyo in late morning. We’ll spend the night in Hakone before heading to Kyoto.
The main goal of this stop is clearly the view (no hiking) of Mount Fuji, not so much exploring Hakone, where the sights seem limited. I’ve read on the forum that the view is great from Gotemba, but it also takes a good hour by bus to get there. And, apart from that view, there’s nothing else to see in Gotemba!
So, I’m not sure what to choose. Any thoughts? Or alternatives to suggest? Maybe some spots in Hakone or Gotemba for a great view?
Thanks in advance.
Hi everyone, I’m Julien!
This summer, from late June to late July, I’m planning a one-month solo trip to Japan—my first time!
I’d love to hear your thoughts and advice on the itinerary I’ve put together to explore this amazing country.
Here are the routes I’m considering:
**Option 1: More mountain and nature-focused**
Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Here are the routes I’m considering:
**Option 1: More mountain and nature-focused**
Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Hello everyone,
Like Cedric13600, I’ve booked a flight ticket for 30 days / 29 nights in September 2026, from Beijing to Shanghai. We’re a couple in our sixties who love independent road trips.
I’d like to draw inspiration from the following private itinerary suggested by a travel agency:
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Hello everyone,
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
Hi,
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
I'm 69 years old and heading to China, where most tourist sites are free or discounted for me. However, trip.com either refuses to let me book because the sites are free or doesn’t apply the discount. Does WeChat apply this discount if I book through them? How can I just reserve without paying and pay on-site? Is that possible?
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth



















