bonjour,
au départ de tafraout et en remontant la vallée de ait mansour , pouvez vous m'indiquer s'il existe une route pour éviter de faire demi tour mais plutôt rejoindre la N 104 et partir ensuite vers l'océan
si vous connaissez une route toute aussi jolie mais qui traverse des villages reculés , c'est encore mieux 😉
nous aurions une journée pour faire cette balade et dormir vers mirleft
merci à vous
PS : les rochers peints , c'est par là ?
font ils partie d'un endroit précis de cette fameuse vallée ?
au départ d'agar oudad , j'ai lu un commentaire qui parle d'une balade à faire à pied en partant du village ...mais je ne retrouve plus le message 😊
combien de temps faut il prévoir ? cela vaut il le détour ?
c'est pas trop kitch ou dénaturant ?
Salut,
Les rochers peints se trouvent à environ 6kms de tafraout, et sont à une heure de marche de Agard Oudad;à mon goût c'est plus pittoresque que mémorable;ils sont à l'origine d'un artiste belge et les Marocains s'y sont mis par la suite.
Vraiment, ces rochers bleus, quelle horreur !
20 tonnes de peinture ont été utilisées.............
Le mec qui a fait ça, un Belge, aurait mieux fait de construire un dispensaire ou une école dans le coin au lieu de dépenser son fric à faire cela ................
Mais, il parait que c'est de l'art CONtemporain 😛
Pourquoi ne pas peindre l'Erg Chebbi en vert pour faire venir encore plus de gogos ?
@+
Crapahute plutôt dans la vallée des Almen, montes jusqu'au gorges d'Aït Mansour, profites de ce paysages de granite et de grès, offre toi une vraie paires de babouches avec la véritable semelle en pneu....
il vaut mieux faire demi-tour au fond des gorges d'Ait Mansour et refaire le parcours dans l'autre sens, le paysage semble différent et tu galèreras moins que de tenter de sortir de l'autre coté, rien n'est indiqué.
par contre la région de Tafraout est une merveille, sauf les rochers bleus qui sont des verrues dans le décor, surtout depuis qu'une deuxième couche vient d'être passée.
actuellement les amandiers sont en pleine floraison
OK donc , c'est 1/2 tour 🙁
j'aime bien faire des boucles et j'avais repéré la route qui repart vers souk khemis ait oufka et qui ressort sur la N104 avant le col du kerdous ...selon la carte !
si les gorges se terminent vers souk el had afella irhir , la même carte dessine la route plutôt comme une piste 🤪
pouvez vous me dire jusqu'où on peut remonter sans abimer la voiture de location et terminer le reste à pied ?
je ne cherche pas à aller sur les sites avec la voiture jusqu'au dernier centimètre de chemin à parcourir ...Dieu merci j'ai encore 2 jambes pour marcher ! inch allah !
les rochers bleus ne me tentent pas au final , c'est le genre " d'art" auquel je suis assez hermétique 😕
la nature est belle par elle même pourquoi la barbouiller ainsi ?
nous pensons arriver trop tard pour voir les amandiers en fleurs ( dans un mois pile , nous faisons la route marrakech / taroudant par le tizi n test )
pour la 1ère nuit à taroudant nous avons réservé au dar dzahra et ensuite 2 nuits chez yamina à tafraout
Chic ! il me tarde
Salut,
Dommage pour les amandiers en fleur, mais tu pourras te consoler en te procurant un pot d'amlou: huile d'argan, amandes pillées et miel, à consommer sans modération....avec un thé et une bonne galette de pain encore tiède 🙂 ....
...je vais commencer à faire régime avant de partir 🤪
où trouve t on ce genre de "supplice" ?
dans ces villages reculés trouve t on aussi des amandes ou partent elles toutes vers l'exportation ou en coopératives ?
Oui, vous pouvez faire la boucle à partir des gorges d'Aît Mansour. Il n'y a qu'une et elle est en bon état. Tout à la fin de la palmeraie, vous tournez à droite direction Tafraout. Nous y étions la semaine dernière pour la 2ème fois. La vallée était couverte d'amendiers en fleurs, superbe. Si vous m'indiquez votre mail, je pourrais vous adresser 2 ou 3 photos..
mais qui dit amandiers en fleurs dit ...amandes à récolter !
cela m'étonnerait que nos amis marocains laissent ainsi des arbres sans les exploiter
pas de récoltes même les années "pluvieuses " ?
Si tu as déjà ta réponse pourquoi poses-tu la question?!🤪
D'autre part, je n'ai pas écrit qu'il n'y en avait plus, mais de moins en moins...
Et si, "nos amis Marocains" laissent ainsi des arbres sans les exploiter car il n'y a quasi plus personne pour le faire; cela s'appelle l'exode rurale...
a deja changer 20 fois d'itineraire au gré des reponses, pose des questions comme:
la route pour la vallée du paradis est elle a sens unique?
quel jour se tient le souk aux chameaux a guelmim? (dromadaires en fait)
pourquoi certains amandiers sont ils abandonés ? (les berberes de ces regions la ont preferer le commerce a casa ou l'usine a sochaux: plus rentable)...
pour nous annoncer a la fin qu'elle ira en grece et plus au maroc 😄
Aprés les fleurs , il faut que le fruit puisse venir et arriver à maturité. En plus des problèmes d'irrigation, il y a des problèmes de pollinisation et de parasites .
Malgrés cela la culture est en progression, lente mais en progression quand meme
bon ben , je vois pas en quoi mes questions ont l'air bizarres
certes je cherche à poser un itinéraire sur les qq jours que nous passerons au Maroc du 16 au 23 mars 2011 ( arrivée à l'aéroport à 22h50 ....)
au plaisir de partager un thé ensemble 😉
Salut pour les rochers peint c'est sur la route de ait mansour tu peux pas les manquer , deja c est indiqué et en plus ils ont repeint dessus et en ont repeint d'autres, y a du bleu, du vert et meme du rose...un bon coin inutile et bien crétin...pour ait mansour, oui tu peux faire la boucle, je l'ai fait tout juste cet après midi...hormis le tout debut après c est tres facile, et cela passe largement en vehicule de tourisme, ford berline très basse....tu as les 5 premiers km qui ont de toute petites portion de piste très rouante et ensuite que du gourdon, au 1er village, tu peux aller sur la gauche c est un cul de sac qui va vers les mine de akka mais y a de superbes paysages et une immenses plaines au bout des 19 km.. ensuite tu reviens sur tes pas et tranquillou tu passes par izerbi et retour sur trafraout..
Pardon DAVEK , ah les rochers je ne suis pas allée les voir . Nous avions fait assez de kms comme ça ! Départ Tiznit - col du kerdous - tafraoute - ait mansour et retour à tiznit dans la journée ça fait rude !!!
Les cartes IGN du Maroc datent de la période du protectorat et ne sont pas mises à jour. D'autres cartes ont été mises en place par le Ministère des Transports Marocain et existent dans divers formats aujourd'hui mais peut-être moins détaillées, ou à une échelle différente.
Les IGN comportent souvent les anciens noms des villages (les grandes villes ont en principe gardé le même), notamment certains noms en arabe, d'autres en berbère.
Cela dit, ces cartes ont l'avantage de tracer la plupart des anciennes pistes entretenues de l'époque, et qui ont pour la plupart servi de tracé aux nouvelles routes ouvertes de nos jours.
Je les utilise personnellement beaucoup en support de navigation embarquée couplée à un GPS dans le 4x4 pour voir en "direct live" l'endroit où je me trouve...
Bonsoir,
" ... Les cartes IGN du Maroc datent de la période du protectorat... "
Pas exactement.
Les cartes de l'IGN , que l'on appelle " cartes d'Etat Major ", ( généralement 1/50 ou 1/100.000 ème.. ) sont postérieures à l'indépendance.
Par exemple, la 1/100.000 ème de Tafraout ( feuille NH-29-X-3 ) a été établie en 1968 d'après des relevés stéréotopographiques aériens faits en 1966.
Par contre , il existe aussi des cartes routières IGN " grand public ".
Je te remercie de tes précisions, mais je ne sais toutefois pas si nous parlons des mêmes cartes, les miennes sont au 1 : 250 000 ème et d'après les infos que j'ai pu avoir, elles dateraient de cette époque... A confirmer, mais j'accepte aussi mes erreurs ! 😉
Ci joint le lien vers un exemple avec la carte de Tafraout de l'époque, un peu longue à charger, mais cliquable et avec beaucoup de détails...http://ml-datos.com/4/ficheros/mapas/marruecos/IGN%201-250.000/Tafrawt.jpg
Hello, For a week-long trip starting from Marrakech with a rental car, if you had to choose between these two loops, which one would you go for and why? 1)…
Hello, my husband and I will be in Egypt this coming November. Cairo seems more challenging to explore without a guide, and we’ll be there for 3 full days. Would anyone have the name of a guide?
Thanks!
Hi, we're looking for a guide to show us around Essaouira.
We're 11 adults and don't want to go through an agency. If you have a contact to help us discover this city, that would be great!
Thanks
I’m heading back to Egypt for the first time in 30 years this July. Last time, I was 20, and we spent two weeks traveling on a shoestring as backpackers.
I’m wondering about a "cruise" on a felucca from Aswan—mainly to avoid being stuck in an air-conditioned tourist bubble (we’re already spending our first week in that setting with our diving club). We’d like to explore the most interesting stretch of the Nile between Aswan and Luxor. Do you have any thoughts on this option, tips, or maybe some contacts?
I was wondering if it’s possible to join a group as a solo traveler with local agencies in Djanet for circuits like Tadrart, Essendilene, Sefar, or Tassili?
If you have any agencies to recommend, I’d love to hear about them.
I didn’t find any info on the forum.
Best,
Here’s a first draft for a 14-night itinerary during the Christmas break with two teens. We’re especially fond of hiking (nothing too extreme, though), which is why we’re drawn to the south.
- Marrakech (2 nights)
- Aït Ben Haddou (1 night)
- Dadès (3 nights, though we’re thinking of doing a day trip to the Todra Gorge on one of those days)
- M'hamid (1 night)
- Erg Chigaga (1 night)
- 4 nights to slot in
- Marrakech (2 nights)
Okay, I realize this involves a lot of driving, and we’re still debating the return route since we’d like to avoid the Tichka Pass in January, but going through Taroudant seems like it would add *a lot* of time. 😕
If you’ve got other suggestions for an itinerary with great hikes, I’m all ears!
Also, the 4 nights total in MRK isn’t really our preference, but since we’re arriving/departing super early from overseas, we’d like to be a bit rested before the long flight.
Another question:
For hikes (aside from the desert one), is it better to have a guide with us, or are the trails well-marked?
Hi everyone,
Our trip to Morocco will be from November 3 to 17, in the High Atlas.
Basically, our route would be:
Marrakech - Aït Benhaddou
Skoura - Tinghir - Merzouga
Merzouga via the N12 to Zagora
Zagora - Draa Valley - Marrakech
It seems to be the low season, so I’d love to travel without having to book accommodations in advance. In other countries, pre-booking has restricted us and kept us from visiting unplanned sites. Freedom is important to us, but I’d also like to avoid arriving somewhere and finding nothing available.
What do you recommend? Book ahead or not?
Your advice is always helpful, and thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this for me.
Roberto
First of all: a big thank you to everyone whose insightful, funny, lively, and exotic posts we’ve enjoyed. It’s a joy to find such lovely writers on this forum, who’ve given me tons of ideas and addresses to prepare our trip.
Our plan: to explore Morocco from November 2nd to December 4th. We’ll have our own vehicle (a 2011 Renault Grand Scenic, in great condition), shipped with us from Sète to Tanger Med. Returning from Nador.
Our profile: 75 and 62 years young, so old but happy to be, in very good health. Seasoned travelers—it’s practically our whole life. Lovers of beautiful landscapes, historic sites, fine craftsmanship, and road trips. This will be my 3rd trip to Morocco, but the first two were 20 and 17 years ago. I’ve never been north of the Essaouira-Marrakech line (though I’ve gone further south). As for my husband, a lifelong expat including in Muslim countries, it’s his first time in Morocco.
He’s the one driving. He’s very experienced, cautious, not necessarily fast, but used to driving in all conditions (and countries, including the most creative on the road). But I don’t want to tire him out, and he no longer drives at night (and we’ll be there in November).
I’ve decided to show him a bit of everything by taking a road trip along beautiful backroads, with daily distances averaging 180-200 km (except on highways, which will be rare), regularly broken up by rest days. I’m counting on a speed of 40-50 km/h, plus stops/visits along the way.
Since I’ve read so many posts, I’ve narrowed it down to some very specific questions.
1) Coming directly from Rabat via the highway, we’d prefer to skip Marrakech*. Still, we’ll need to sleep somewhere nearby. We’ll head toward Skoura the next day. Does anyone have a well-located address for this route, possibly east of Marrakech? Ideally, we’re looking for a small town, easy parking, clean accommodation (minimum) with average comfort (or better if available), a bit heated, and if possible, pretty and/or nice—but above all, a place to sleep well, wash with lukewarm (ideally hot) water, and have a decent dinner.
(*Explanation for the "no-go" in Marrakech: it’s a shame, because there are truly beautiful things in this city, but I think the vibe won’t suit us—it’s an understatement for "it’ll put us off" / "make us flee" / "traumatize us." Not because it’s too crowded and we want to stand out from tourists (we’re part of them), but because of forced henna on your hand, or spending 10 minutes every quarter-hour saying "no thank you" to a "guide" who’s as much a guide as I am a trapeze artist. Knowing us, it’ll wear us down. The country is vast and beautiful, and our time too short to waste our memories just days after arriving. And I don’t want to ruin things for my peaceful husband, or he’ll demand we turn back—and Sète in November isn’t exactly thrilling either.)
2) Which route to Skoura (in 2 days)? I see two options: either via the Tichka Pass, with a night in Telouet before reaching Skoura, or via the R307/N23 from Demnate, with a night near Megdaz before descending to Skoura. So: Tichka Pass or R307/N23? I have a slight (big) preference for the second option, even though I know the other route is very beautiful too. Of course, before deciding, we’ll check the weather and the current state of the R307/N23—does anyone know where to get info on the road conditions? But even assuming the road is "passable," is it a bit too tough in itself? In short, is it reasonable? If a kind soul could share their experience, a thousand thanks in advance.
That’s all I’ve written for now. I’ll save the other questions for later posts. Thanks again to those who had the patience to read this and to those who can respond. Happy Sunday to all!
I’m just a few days away from my trip to Marrakech—I’m leaving from November 13th to 20th and bringing my parents along! I’d love to plan my stay as best as I can, and I’m sure the forum crew can help. So, here are my questions:
- Where’s the best place to exchange money without getting ripped off? The owner of the riad where we’re staying told us to avoid doing it at the airport because it’s really expensive and to do it in the medina instead, near Jemaa el-Fna square.
- Which traditional hammams do you recommend that are reasonably priced? How much should we budget for one? That’ll help me plan my expenses.
- What are some nice restaurants in the medina?
- I’d also like to know roughly how much to expect for a tea, a meal, a taxi, a djellaba, and babouches. I don’t want to get overcharged and would like to know what to expect.
- What are the must-do activities and places to visit?
Hi, I’d like to head to Morocco next week with my car. I’ve looked online at all the different info about the ferry crossing to Tangier, but I’m finding it really expensive. Is there a way to buy tickets in Spain? Or another way to get the Algeciras–Tangier crossing cheaper? Thanks for any tips or info!
We found a guide who offers the trip from M'hamid to a camp (departure at 3 PM, tea, meal, camel ride, overnight stay, breakfast, and return to M'Hamid by 11 AM the next day via the sacred oasis). He quoted us a price of 380 € for April.
What do you think of this rate?
This might sound like a silly question, but is it common to negotiate the price for this kind of thing (we're booking from France)? It’s still a big part of our travel budget.
Hi there,
We're planning to visit Egypt between January 25 and February 15, 2027. I looked up the Ramadan dates and found some sites saying it starts on February 8, while others say February 18... Where's the mistake?
Thanks,
Christian
Hi there,
We’re a family of 4 with two boys aged 12 and 10 traveling to Egypt in February.
We’re spending 3 days in Cairo to take our time exploring the city and the sites before heading south.
-Is it necessary to have a guide to visit the GEM? Are audio guides available?
-Do you have any contacts for drivers to organize a few transfers (Giza, Saqqara, Airport)?
-Do you know a French-speaking guide who’s friendly, family-friendly, and good at making things exciting, with reasonable prices?
With our two teens, we’re heading to Morocco for two weeks at the end of December and beginning of January. It’ll be our first trip that’s more "off the beaten path," even though we’ve visited several countries before. Given the overwhelming amount of info, I’m feeling a bit swamped with the prep this trip requires, and I’ll admit I’m a little lost when it comes to figuring out what’s realistic to visit in two weeks 😕 So, all your tips, personal experiences, and suggestions are more than welcome!
- Which places should we prioritize during this time of year? (I’ve read that some spots are less accessible in winter?)
- What’s the best way to get around? (rental car, train, private transport, buses, etc.? — just a heads-up, we’ll have a few suitcases!)
- In terms of "safety," are there any areas to avoid?
- Any recommendations for reliable local tour companies (beyond the big names like "Get Your Guide") that offer excursions or private transport to help us explore the country?
- A doable 2-week itinerary that lets us enjoy the country’s diversity without having to change accommodations every two days?
I’m planning a trip to the High Atlas in Morocco and have a few questions for you:
- Why do so many people recommend avoiding international agencies for car rentals? Can anyone explain why?
- Is Booking.com reliable, and has anyone rented a vehicle through their service? There’s a pretty big price difference compared to local Moroccan agencies.
- Is there a detailed road map included in the rental car?
- Is Google Maps enough to get around the High Atlas? This will be my first trip there.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help with this destination I’ve been dreaming about for years.
Have a great evening,
Roberto
hi there, I’m heading to Tunisia 🙂 from April 27 to May 8 with my family. I’ve read through the various discussions about the country, but I’m still a bit unsure🤪: for currency exchange, I saw on the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs website that withdrawing currency with a bank card from ATMs is limited to 200 TND per week. There are four of us traveling by car, so that might be a bit tight! And it’s a hassle to carry a lot of cash, even if I’m not being paranoid! What do you all recommend?
Cheers,
Laurent.
We're planning a 2-week trip in late February/early March for a road trip in the High Atlas with a rental car, and we'd love to avoid booking our accommodations in advance. Is that doable, easily manageable, or risky (are accommodations available, expensive, or not great)? Thanks for your tips!
Annie
Hi,
This autumn, we’re planning to explore the Oriental region and we’re wondering where the best place to land would be. We’ll have three weeks ahead of us and we’ll be renting a car.
Any tips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Is there an official website or list of certified Egyptologist guides in Egypt? And most importantly, what are the normal prices for a full day or half day? There’s so much scamming and crazy pricing—depending on who you contact, it can range from simple to quadruple!!!!
Thanks
Hello,
In September, my wife and I, along with another couple, will be traveling to Tunisia and staying at the Sheherasade Hotel near Sousse.
We’d love to hear your recommendations or tips on places to visit, as well as advice on taxis or other transportation options.
Thanks in advance!
This autumn’s trip should be in Morocco—barring any geopolitical issues between now and then.
After many trips to the south of Fès, I’m giving the north a try.
My plan is roughly to do a road trip loop from Rabat back to Rabat, passing through Asilah, Tangier, Tétouan, Chefchaouen, Akchour, Fès, Meknès, and Volubilis.
That’s a lot of cities.
Probably a bit too many for our taste—we usually prefer more isolated spots...
So I’m looking for tips on little backroads, secluded beaches, half-day hikes, and offbeat places.
If you’ve also got recommendations for accommodation... (We’re open to splurging over 100 € if it’s a real favorite.)
Feel free to think outside the box—this is an open-ended plan! !😉
Hello,
I’m looking for testimonials from Pieds-Noirs who have recently returned to Algeria.
There can’t be many left after 65 years of the country’s independence.
I’m planning to go back myself soon to reconnect with my roots... before I pass away...
I’ve started making a few pre-bookings for hotels and apartments to rent in Algiers. At first, I received friendly and welcoming responses. Then, when I mentioned I wanted to stay for two or three weeks—maybe even a month—explaining that my trip wouldn’t be strictly touristy but more of a pilgrimage to the places of my childhood, and that it would likely be a very emotional journey, I expected a positive and warm reaction to my approach. Instead, I suddenly stopped getting replies from the three or four people I’d contacted. So now I’m wondering about the reception former Pieds-Noirs can expect...
Anyone here who can share their experience of returning? I specified “recently” because it seems that right now, diplomatic relations between the two governments are extremely tense, not to say hostile... even if Macron claims otherwise...
Hello,
I’m traveling to Algeria from October 27 to November 16, 2026.
I’d love to hear from anyone who’s been through the process about the accommodation attestation required for the visa application:
- Does it need to cover the entire duration of the trip?
- Is this document mandatory for a hotel to rent a room?
- Is it checked during inspections?
- Is a hotel booking (e.g., via Booking.com) sufficient for the visa?
- If so, does it need to be paid in advance?
I plan to visit several cities and do one or more treks with a guide or agency.
If you have any contacts you’d recommend, I’d be grateful!
Also, I’d love to share this trip with a companion who’s already done some traveling.
We’d organize the journey together, of course.
Thanks for your feedback!
Safe travels to all,
Dom, Dijon, 64 years old
I’m leaving for Tunisia in five weeks for a full 15-day trip. I’ll be arriving in Monastir and departing from there as well.
I’d like to do a route that’s a bit different from my first stay, which was more focused on cities and culture (Tunis, Sousse, Kairouan, El Jem).
I’ll be getting around by public transport.
I’d like to head south toward Tozeur, and I saw that you can take a *louage* from Monastir to Sbeitla (2h30). I imagine it’s not too complicated to get to Tozeur from there afterward? The issue is the return trip to Monastir and safety in Sbeitla.
If this route seems too complicated, I might opt for Djerba instead, which looks simpler.
I’m heading to Morocco in September 2026, and part of my trip takes me through Merzouga. I’m looking for a 4x4 driver-guide to explore the area with my partner and me.