J imagine que nombreux sont ceux qui savent que JC (pas celui qui est mort sur une croix) le president Francais est actuellement en visite officielle en Thailande et bien sure il est accompagne de quelques ministres . Je ne sais pas si la presse Francaise vous en souffleras mot mais nos charmants ministres ont commis une erreur de protocole l un d entre a rien de trouver de mieux qu un costume noir alors que l on ne sepresente jamais devant le roi vetue de cette couleur . On se demande a quoi est payer le chef du protocole de l ambassade . Bien evidement que ce detail n as pas echappe a la presse locale
La vie c est cmme une patisserie on peux la regader sans cesse mais pour connaitre ces saveurs il la faut croquer... les gens sont seuls parce qu'ils construisent des murs au lieu de construire des ponts
oui, , parvat , , VF le sait, , , , , , , la couleur en général est bleu marine, , chaussures sombres, , et cravate, ,
j'ai toujours trouver ce protocole très correct, , le roi et la cour se donne beaucoup de mal a être extrêmement lumineux, , il est normal que de faire des efforts, , longe vie a ce bon roi, ,
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Oui oui, on en a parle dans la presse de cette "erreur de protocole" et il ne s'agit pas seulement de la couleur d'un costume car Madame la Ministre de la defense a refuse de porter une jupe et est venue habillee de son traditionnel ensemble veste/pantalon et ca aussi, c'est une erreur de prtocole.
La France se situerait-elle au-dessus des conventions ?
Il aurait du venir sur Vf pour préparer son voyage, le con... 😉
Be justement, je croyais que c'etait lepiaf, en tant que representant de vf, qui avait briefe chichi et ses ouailles avant leur depart commun de paname......!
effectivement hier aux infos tele les journalistes ont souligné la fautede protocole de M.A.M la ministre de la defense steward de Jacquot sur le Clemenceau 😠
ne marchez jamais sur le chemin tracé
il ne te méne que là ou d'autres sont déjà allés
jps
😉 ...... pourtant on s'est croisé à l'aéroport et je les avais bien checké entre deux portes d'enregistrement ..... sans doute des restes des Singhas avalés la veille et le fait que je broyais du noir à l'idée de rentrer ...... 😕🏴☠️
😏 Bonjour. Je ne sais pas non plus qu'on ne peut pas se présenter devant le Roi de Thailande en NOIR ! Combien d 'entre nous le savent ? ... J'ai regardé l'autre jour à BKK un Livre sur le Savoir Vivre en Thailande sans l'acheter ! Je pense à l'acheter la prochaine fois quand je reviendrai à BKK !...
Sais-tu que Jacques CHIRAC est le 1er Président de la République Française à visiter la Thailande ?
Et que les relations entre la FRANCE et la THAILANDE sont toujours excellentes depuis 155 ans !
Depuis le Roi RAMA IV - le Roi MONGKUT ( 1851 ) ! Je ne pense pas qu'on va en faire un incident diplomatique ! Dans le Journal LE PARISIEN d'aujourd'hui, il est écrit que Jacques CHIRAC est reçu à BANGKOK comme un Roi avec sa femme Bernadette ! Le Roi des Thailandais et la Reine sont allés à
l' Aéroport pour les accueillir dès leur descente d'avion présidentiel !... Et j'ai vu à Paris à la TV aux JTs que le grand Boulevard Thanon RATCHADAMNOEN KLANG où se trouve le Monument de la Democratie point de repère pour ... Khaosan Road quand on prend le Bus - est couvert de grands portraits de Jacques CHIRAC - normalement on ne voit que les Portraits du Roi de Thailande dessus ! Ils ont dit que c'est un grand honneur que les Thailandais font au Président Français et à son épouse Bernadette en compagnie de le Reine Sirikit ! ... T'es allé les voir puisque tu es à BKK ? Moi, je suis déjà rentré à Paris depuis Lundi dernier !
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Tu as raison, tout le monde n'est pas censé connaitre ces détails, mais à l'Elysée il y a un chef du protocole -certainement grassement payé- dont c'est le boulot... et là je dis carton jaune pour la tenue noire et deuxième carton pour le manque de jupette.
Imagine un prince saoudien lâcher un gros rot au banquet de Jacquot ou Georges Bush boire l'eau du rince doigts...
rigolez, rigolez 😛 de Gaulle en son temps, avait été obligé lors d'un déjeuner protocolaire à l'Élysée, consécutif à la visite d'un président africain d ce "goinfrer" l'eau du rince doigts, sa voisine épouse de ce président venait à la stupéfaction générale, de se taper le sien 😛😇
il ne fut jamais mon "idole" le Grand, mais là 😉 il fallait le faire
Bon. Mais finalement qui va nous expliquer pourquoi il ne faut pas porter de noir chez le roi. Vous êtes rigolos les mecs, vous faites les malins, mais finalement personne ne donne d'explication, ce qui serait plus intéressant que vos blablas.
Parce que si il s'agit juste de dire que c'est un problème de protocole....c'est quand même drôle de voir des routards qui en général ne respectent rien se préoccuper du protocole chez les grands de ce monde !!!
🙂 ..... Non, pas quand même, mais je trouve normal de se plier à quelques coutumes protocolaires lors d'une visite dans un pays hôte ..... et je trouve que là on a failli, et que l'on pourrait faire attention .....
Nous mêmes prenons bien la peine de nous déchausser lorsque nous rendons visite à une famille thai chez elle, et si quelqu'un rentrait chez nous sans taper tout d'abord à la porte d'entrée, ou tout au moins de sonner, on trouverait celà pour le moins déplacé ..... je pense que c'est le même cas d'espèce et celà est simplement de la correction et une certaine forme de politesse ...... et que ce soit un roi en Thailande n'y change rien ......
POURQUOI NE PAS PORTER LE NOIR DEVANT LE ROI : tout simplement ça fait partie des us et coutumes Thailandais sans plus
ou as tu vu que les routards ne respectaient rien 🙁
quand on va chez un hôte on respecte ses usages, c'est comme ça que je voyage
quand je vais dans un temple en asie ou une mosquée je me dechausse, dans une eglise, j'enleve ma casquette, au resto en Inde je fais attention de ne pas manger de la main gauche
Quand on est un haut dignitaire tel Jacquot on fait respecter à ses ouailles les usages protocolaires fusent-ils ministre
le service du protocole a faili on peut le dire et en rire 😎 liberte liberté
ne marchez jamais sur le chemin tracé
il ne te méne que là ou d'autres sont déjà allés
jps
🙂🙂une question, je suis invitée personnellement chez leurs majestés, si je m'habille a la thailandaise, cela sera-t-il deplacé????heuuu le noir me va bien etant "blonde...."(attention😠😉)mais je choisirais plutot le bleu marine avec une touche d'orangé.alors????
SOURIS au MONDE ET LE MONDE te SOURIRAS!!!
asie du sud-est - iles de l'ocean indien - french polynesia,
indonesie,
Mais mon grand, ta réponse est complètement nulle. Ce qui est intéressant dans la rencontre des autres peuples, c'est de découvrir pourquoi leurs comportements ou leurs coutumes sont différentes. Et visiblement aucun de nos experts de la Thailande n'a la moindre idée de la raison pour laquelle il ne faut pas porter de noir chez le roi....
Je leur laisse encore quelques jours avant de donner la réponse ?????
SAWADEE à tout les routard du vf
merci pour l'info du protocole super le dessin thuan
je pense que pour économiser un peu d'euros ils rentreront d'INDE avec le clemenceau
DAN
VIVEZ HEUREUX AUJOURD'HUI CAR DEMAIN IL SERA TROP TARD (TAO BY)
CARPE DIEM
Waow, ce n'est pas vrai !
Il n'y en a pas une ou un qui savait pourquoi on ne porte pas du noir !
Tout simplement parce qu'en presence du Roi, on ne porte du noir qu'en signe de deuil.
Il y a beaucoup de routards de salon sur ce forum.
OK Richard, donc, si j'ai bien compris (ce qui n'est pas gagne apres une nuit..............agitee!), le blanc est la couleur du deuil pour le peuple et le noir la couleur du deuil en presence du supreme...! Si ce n'est pas le cas, est ce que tu pourrais preciser stp?😮
En vitesse car c'est l'heure de la sieste. Pfff, le marchand de sable n'est pas loin.
Je n'en sais pas plus a propos du noir a ne pas porter en presence du Roi.
C'est vrai que c'est un peu vexant pour quelqu'un qui vit en Thailande de ne pas savoir grand chose sur ce beau pays, mais il ne faut pas s'emporter pour autant.....
Mais j'ai une autre question: lorsque le journal "The Nation" titre en première page "Bienvenue Jacques" est-ce une faute protocolaire ou bien un geste d'amitié auquel nous devons être sensible ??
😏 Tu as raison aussi ... Nous, on n'est pas Chef du Protocole !
Donc, on n'est pas censé de connaître tout cela ! Je pense que
c'est une bonne idée d'acheter ce Livre sur le Savoir Vivre en
Thailande - pour tout savoir ce qu'il ne faut pas faire quand on
visite ce beau pays qu'est la Thailande et ses habitants.
Je l'achèterai la prochaine fois ! T'es de Chiang Mai ? Quel temps
il fait là haut en ce moment ? Très beau, je pense ? Ici il fait très
froid avec une pluie fine humide à Paris depuis que je rentre Lundi
dernier ... J 'aurais dû monter à Chiang Mai et Chiang Rai avant de
rentrer en France ! Ce que je regrette un peu maintenant ! ...
Il est tout a fait normal en Thailande d'appeler qq'un par son prenom tout en le faisant preceder de "Khun" lorsqu'on n'est pas amis ou lorsque la difference d'age est significative.
Je dirais donc que "The Nation" a commis une faute protocolaire, lui aussi.
Effectivement on peut habiter un pays sans connaitre le pourquoi des subtilité protocolaires de la cour royale. Qu'Elisa prétende s'en offusquer c'est ridicule, mais je comprends sa frustration. Maintenant j'attends de sa part qu'en bonne française elle me fasse une description détaillée des us et coutumes du Palais de l'Elysée... 😎
A Chiang Mai la saison chaude arrive, grand bleu, le soleil tape dur dans la journée, 35° à l'ombre, il reste un peu de fraicheur le soir, mais l'air conditionné commence à vrombir chez moi. Je reviens du Sunday market, je sens que j'ai pris un coup de soleil sur le pif. Vivement Songkran. Ah une petite pluie fine, mon rêve... ça et un petit assortiment de fromages avec une baguette rétrodor.
lorsque le journal "The Nation" titre en première page "Bienvenue Jacques" est-ce une faute protocolaire ou bien un geste d'amitié auquel nous devons être sensible ??
As-tu entendu parlé de la liberté de la presse ? Les journaux sont libres d' écrire ce qu' ils veulent, ils n' ont pas à suivre de protocole.
Eh Doc, si t'as trop le blues du fromage, y'en a plein à Chiang Maï au Carrouf ou au supermarket Piazza ou Plaza Center je crois (étage bas) sur la gauche de la Highway qui arrive de la rivière jusqu'à l'aéroport…😛
Je séjournais pas très loin… Et on avait craqué une fois ! Non deux, une autre fois à Vientiane pour Noël où il y avait un expat qui vendait du foie gras, des huitres et du vrai camembert !!!!!!!
Mais dans un pays aux arts culinaires tellement parfaits comme la Thaïlande, c'est presque une faute de goût dont je ne suis pas fier !
Enfin on a bien rigolé à faire manger une tartiflette, des asperges à la sauce hollandaise et des pates aux fromages à nos amis thaïs… 😮😄😏🤪
Et pour Chichi en m'abstenant (presque) d'être politique, l'un des talents que je peux lui reconnaitre c'est d'être si naturellement balourd qu'il en devient drôle ! Sa maladresse et son manque absolu de noblesse sont tels qu'il en devient sympathique et peut passer pour un homme politique "de gauche" ou pour le moins populaire !!!!!😛😊😎😉😠😕😏
Tiens, plus sérieusement, si quelqu'un a une adresse de vraie cuisine thaï à Paris ou ailleurs ça m'interesse !!!
Ciao🙂
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A Paris il y a le Lao Siam rue de Belleville... vrai thai, mais prix français... quand tu as pris l'habitude du Pad Thai à 20 baht, ça fait tout drôle. Super salade de fleur de bananier.
Sinon il y avait le tanam tenu par des ladyboy rue Tiquetonne, mais je suis pas sûr qu'il est encore ouvert. vrai Isan.
C'est vrai si on a le blues de la cuisine française, rien ne vaut Vientiane.
Les mecs, vous manquez un peu de recul....et d'humour. Franchement, je trouve cela plutôt drôle le titre du "Nation" et pas très important qu'un ministre se soit planté sur la couleur de son costume au palais. Quand un vieil ami de mon père faisait un boeuf avec le roi (*) dans un petit bar plein de fumée et de filles, il n'avait pas l'impression que le roi se préoccupait beaucoup des questions de protocole. Il est vrai que ce n'était pas en Thailande.
(*) Pour ceux qui ne le sauraient pas, le roi est un assez bon joueur de saxo
C'est de l'humour vache ça tendance Salon de l'agriculture !
Un petit coup de produit laitier et de vache normande quand on passe des mois en Asie, ça me parait acceptable sans pour autant vouloir dire qu'on renonce aux "cultures locales"…
Sinon c'est plutôt drôle que notre ministre des armées soit à cheval sur ces propres principes (porter la culotte) : soit elle a un problème de santé ponctuel ou définitif, soit ses conseillers à la défense ne font pas de différence entre son sexe et celui des précédents ministres (pourquoi ?) soit … ba je sais pas mais dans tous les cas je refuse de passer la soirée avec elle !
Et puis tout le monde n'a pas la chance d'avoir des amis qui taillent la bavette (normande ?) avec le roi dans on ne sait quel pays !!!!😏
Allez roulez jeunesse !
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la compréhension des us et coutumes et bien souvent liée à la compréhension des différentes religions qui elles mêmes sont liées aux différents envahisseurs qui dans un passé lointain sont venus réorganiser la vie de nonbreux peuples... de la, connaitre la signification précise de tous les us et coutumes parait etre un projet bien ambitieux!
Par contre le respect semble être à la portée de tous!
C bête j'étais à Cannes hier !!!!! J'aurais pu passer dans le Var !
Merci bcp je note !
Y en a un resto à Montpellier le Thaï Bangkok rue Boussairoles à deux pas de la Comédie mais bon à part le menu gastronomique à 30 € je crois, c pas le top top ! Et je ne raconte pas le prix des pad thaï !
Bon appétit !
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Tes raccourcis sont pitoyables, ne pas savoir pourquoi le noir est malvenu en présence du Roi signifie qu'on ne connait rien à ce pays ? Avouer que le fromage vous manque quand on vit en Thailande depuis des années c'est être beauf ?
Tu t'es trompée de forum, celui du Routard te tend les bras, il est plein d'aigris dans ton genre. Si tu veux continuer cette discussion, utilise les messages privés, je me ferais un plaisir de t'y répondre.
C'est vrai que quand on a visité les recoins culinaires de Chiang Maï avec des thaï : les petits resto marché au nord où vont tous les jeunes, les restos concerts au buffet sukiyaki à volonté et à 89 baths, les banana pancake d'un couple adorable de musulman devant l'hopital Lanna, etc… Ce qui m'énerve c'est que j'ai perdu mon cahier avec tous les noms thaïs de ces choses mémorisés !!! Et aussi quand on a fait son marché aux légumes et au poisson ou viandes derrière warorot market près de la rivière, c'est pas la même chose de cuisiner ou de manger thaï à Chiang Maï qu'à Montpellier (à Paris c'est déjà plus facile au niveau épicerie) !
Bon appétit !
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Bon. Mais finalement qui va nous expliquer pourquoi il ne faut pas porter de noir chez le roi. Vous êtes rigolos les mecs, vous faites les malins, mais finalement personne ne donne d'explication, ce qui serait plus intéressant que vos blablas.
Parce que si il s'agit juste de dire que c'est un problème de protocole....c'est quand même drôle de voir des routards qui en général ne respectent rien se préoccuper du protocole chez les grands de ce monde !!!
Et oui ! Les Thais sont compliqués avec leurs us et coutumes.
Sachez que le noir (couleur de deuil) n’est pas porté dans de nombreuses occasions. N’allez jamais à un mariage habillé en noir, ou également rendre visite à un malade qu’il soit à l’hôpital ou en convalescence chez lui. Il en est de même pour toutes les occasions qui sont placées sous de bonnes auspices.
MERCI beaucoup Mondop pour cette réponse précise, et merci pour tous ceux à qui tu vas éviter de manquer de politesse et de respect à l'égard de nos amis thai lors de leur prochain voyage. Ce n'était donc pas un problème de protocole (le protocole des palais n'ayant pas beaucoup d'importance), mais un problème de sensibilité qui touche l'ensemble de la population thai, ce qui mérite un peu plus d'attention. Nos amis qui résident en Thailande auraient du le savoir....
En réponse à : " Nos amis qui résident en Thailande auraient du le savoir"
et bien y a des jeunes françaises dans le quartier qui ne se posent pas la question du respect ailleurs que là bas vis à vis des thaïs et qui ne font pas dans la dentelle tout au long de la journée !
Pourquoi tant de haine ? On a plus besoin de petite souris que d'éléphant par ici !!!
Qu'est ce qu'ils ont pris les expat aujourd'hui et le Doc et ses fromages et j'en passe !!!
Allez à quand le retour du rire et de la dentelle féminine ??
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Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.
Hi, is anyone there in Flores right now? According to some websites, everything is closed and the situation is tough. But our guide says it's fine. Who should we believe? We're supposed to leave on September 2nd. Thanks to anyone in Flores at the moment!
Hi everyone.
I’m planning my trip, and based on all the posts I’ve read, this country is amazing.
Of course, I’ve got a ton of questions for you.
Here’s a possible itinerary: Vientiane - Vang Vieng - Phonsavan - Sam Neua - Nong Khiaw + villages - Phongsali - Luang Namtha and the area - Udomxai - Huay Xai - Luang Prabang and back to Vientiane.
What do you think?
We’re planning to prioritize local transport—is it possible to do this loop?
We’d also love to go kayaking, but I’m not sure if the season’s right or where the best spot is.
For trekking—I read that Phongsali is the most authentic spot to visit villages and see wildlife. Do you know of a reliable agency and a guesthouse with reasonable prices?
Is it worth taking a slow boat for a stretch on the Mekong, and if so, which route?
For accommodations, is it better to book through Booking.com and Agoda or look when we arrive?
Are mosquitoes bad in Laos, and should we take malaria prophylaxis?
What’s the average daily budget (accommodation, food, visits)?
Is renting scooters a good option for exploring towns, and if so, which ones?
From what I’ve read, it’s best to carry cash—euros or dollars? Is it risky to walk around with that much cash?
I’ve still got tons of questions. Thanks to anyone who can help, and I’m open to all tips, info, etc.
Thanks again
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Vietnam in February, specifically Da Nang and Hoi An.
Does anyone know a French-speaking guide in the area?
Thanks for your help
Hi there,
I’m planning a family trip (my wife and I, both 47, and our two sons, aged 5 and 12) to Malaysia for the last week of June and the first two weeks of July 2027.
We used to love road trips as a couple, then as a trio, but since our second child arrived, we’ve taken a break with "camping village" style trips.
Now feels like the right time to get back to our old habits, while adjusting the pace for the kids.
We’re craving Asia. We’ve been lucky enough to visit Thailand, Indonesia (Bali and Lombok), and Sri Lanka before.
Friends have raved about Malaysia, so we’re definitely tempted.
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Hello,
We’re a family of four with two teens aged 16 and 18. We’re heading to Thailand this summer. We’ll arrive in Bangkok and plan to take a flight to Luang Prabang.
I’ve seen there are some great visits and excursions to do (temples, markets, waterfalls) and maybe even venture a bit north to places like Nong Khiaw, Muang Xay, Muang Ngoy, or Oudom Xay.
But I’ve also heard about the Bokeo region with the Gibbon Experience.
Since we won’t be able to do everything, I’d love to hear about your experiences, impressions, and advice on the two options I’m considering, especially since we’ll be meeting family in Chiang Mai, Thailand, afterward.
Option 1: A loop from Luang Prabang heading slightly north, then a flight from Luang Prabang to Chiang Mai.
Option 2: A few days in Luang Prabang, exploring within a few dozen kilometers around, then heading to Bokeo province for the 2-day/1-night Gibbon Experience. For this option, I saw on Rome2Rio that it’s possible to book a ferry trip on the Mekong from Luang Prabang to Huay Xay—they mention about 8 hours. But is that realistic? What type of boat is it?
Then, to get to Chiang Mai, there aren’t many options—bus or minivan—but how does crossing the border work?
Finally, for those of you who’ve been to Laos in August, what was the weather like?
We’ve already visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during the same period over the past four years and weren’t really bothered by bad weather.
I’m starting a discussion about guides in the Mekong Delta because we’ve just finished our trip in this region and had a hard time finding a French-speaking guide. We had Thanh—she speaks French really well and travels all over the delta region, including Ho Chi Minh City. She’s super friendly and flexible. I recommend her wholeheartedly. If it can help someone...
Feel free to contact us for her number.
Hi everyone,
I couldn’t find any recent info on Kuching.
Can anyone recommend a hotel or guesthouse for under 100 RM that’s nice and affordable? No dorms, please.
Also, does it rain a lot in November, and is it still worth visiting Semenggoh or Bako?
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you?
If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip?
I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days.
I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome!
I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Hello everyone,
Not long ago, I used to travel as a couple, but my husband has since passed away, and I’ve decided to set off again. The trip I took to Cambodia in January 2025 did me a world of good.
I’m now considering Thailand, a destination we never included in our plans because even 15 years ago, people said it was too touristy. Still, I’m thinking about the itinerary below, but I don’t feel up to arranging buses, trains, or guides on my own while I’m there. I’m looking for one or more drivers and have been in touch with an agency, but their offers are just copy-paste group tours that I don’t want.
So, if you have any contacts, experiences, or advice, I’d be so grateful if you’d share them with me. Here’s my rough plan:
Arrival in Bangkok
Ayutthaya (2 nights)
Kanchanaburi (2 or 3 nights)
Sangkhlaburi/Sai Yok (3 nights)
Sukhothai (2 nights)
Lampang (I’ve planned 3 nights, but that might be a bit much—it depends on what time I arrive in the city)
Chiang Mai
Chiang Dao
Pai
Chiang Rai
I was thinking about the Mae Hong Son loop—thoughts?
What do you think about staying overnight at the Golden Triangle?
When I look online, of course, I can find agencies that organize tours to national parks, etc.
I’m retired but in great physical shape. I’d rather go hiking than sit in hot springs with crowds of tourists who’ve all arranged meet-ups. I don’t want to spend a day at an elephant camp, and I don’t want to visit Karen villages.
I’d love to hear your advice.
Thank you all,
Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
I've scoured this site, which is usually my go-to 😉, and others like VoyageForum, but recent info is pretty scarce.
I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur
Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral.
Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo).
Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok:
* Orangutan Center
* Malayan Sun Bear Center
* Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan.
Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari.
Jungle walk.
Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari.
Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port.
Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar
5 full days.
* Snorkeling
* Hiking
* Turtle watching
* Wild beaches
* Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland.
Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali.
And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people!
So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops):
- 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud
2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa)
1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...)
- 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces)
- 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai
- 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed)
- 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island)
- 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan)
- 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels.
Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?)
Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?)
Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027:
- Phnom Penh
- Kampong Cham
- Kratie
- Siem Reap
- Battambang
- Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights.
Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above.
Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you?
If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations:
We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights:
The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1:
We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2:
This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3:
With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4:
Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings.
We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops.
In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5:
Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6:
This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8:
Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10:
On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12:
We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines.
Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment.
We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15:
From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP).
We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning.
We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise.
Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16:
We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town.
It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view.
We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise.
In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911.
On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city.
We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17:
Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning.
Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in.
The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances:
In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary:
Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional.
Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips:
Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred.
PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront).
Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…
Hi there, I’ll be on vacation in Malaysia in November and plan to spend 5 days in Penang. After that, I’d like to visit some temples and places in Butterworth or nearby, and also explore the city. Since I usually get around on foot, which neighborhood would be best for me—meaning within a 30-minute walk of attractions, street food stalls, bus lines, etc.? Thanks in advance for your help!
Françoise