Je souhaite partir en avril en Asie 4 mois sac à dos et solo, même si je compte faire des rencontres au fil du voyage.
Je vais visiter le Thaïlande, le Laos, le Viet-Nâm et le Cambodge!!!
Pensez-vous que 2 500 € seront suffisants? Je suis déjà parti 2 mois en Inde et j'avais dépensé 1200 € en me m'accordant des petits plaisirs.
De plus, quels sont les sites à voir absolument? Est-ce qu'il y a des risques de vols? Y a t-il certaines choses pratiques à savoir (prises électriques, moustiques, ...)? Faut-il des visas?
"Je suis déjà parti 2 mois en Inde et j'avais dépensé 1200 €" ... soit 20 Euro par jour ! C'est pas mal, on peut s'en sortir honnêtement avec 10.
L'Inde reste ce qui est le plus "économique". Le Sud-Est asiatique est plus "cher" et en comptant un budget de 20 Euro par jour cela donne pour 4 mois ... 2400 Euro.
Le mauvais goût ou les opinions bizarres rendent la coexistence très difficile, mais leur interdiction la rend absolument impossible.
Daniel Innenarity
Faisable sans faire de folies. Tout depend egalement de la periode (haute et basse saisons offrent des prix tres differents).
Il te faut un visa pour le Cambodge et le Viet Nam. Attention, pour le VN, tu dois avoir fait une demande au prealable (voir les posts sur le forum). En Thailande, tu peux rester 30 jours sans visa. Au Cambodge, tu peux le prendre directement a la frontiere, je pense pour 30 jours egalement. Au VN, le visa le moins cher est aussi de 30 jours. Laos, connais pas.
Pour les sites "a voir absolument", c'est toujours une question de gout... Tout est "a voir" et interessant, meme en-dehors des sites. Le mieux pour toi est de surfer un maximum sur le net et voir ce qui te tente et ce qui t'interesse moins. En fonction de cela, tu fais ton itineraire.
Pour ce qui est des vols, je dirais "comme partout" avec un petit bemol en ce qui concerne certains mini-hotels (Cambodge et Viet Nam du Nord) ou certains membres du personnel indiscrets "visitent" tes affaires. Je ne parle que de ce que j'ai vecu personnellement. Dans les grandes villes touristiques, attention aux vols a l'arrache, pas de sac en bandouillere. Mais ca, c'est PARTOUT DANS LE MONDE, faut pas se leurrer.
J'ai traverse une partie de la Thailande, du Cambodge (tres petite) et quasi tout le Viet Nam et ne me suis jamais sentie en insecurite. Les agressions "gratuites" sont extremement rares, mais il y a des c... partout.
Pour ce qui est des moustiques, il y a des moustiquaires dans la plupart des hotels ou GH, mais mieux vaut avoir un bon repulsif, c'est indispensable. Si tu loges dans des GH tres "cheap", un sac a viande est toujours interessant pour eviter les "petites betes". Ca ne pese rien et tu peux l'emporter partout. Au Viet Nam, la literie est toujours tres propre meme dans les mini-hotels (GH).
Un petit conseil pour preparer ton voyage :
Fais une liste de questions et utilise le moteur de recherche du forum, tu y trouveras deja un maximum de reponses.
Largement suffisant, ton budget !
Tu trouveras partout des chambres à moins de 5 euros (voire à moins de un euro !), et tu pourras manger dans la rue pour 50 cts ou un euro.
Pour le reste, tu prends les bus locaux, tu loues des vélos, et tu ne crames pas ton budget dans les bières, et tu auras plein de pépètes en rab à la fin du voyage.
Concernant l'Inde...
Je ne sais pas comment tu as fait pour claquer autant en si peu de temps...😛
Tout comme l'habit ne fait pas le moine, le sac à dos ne fait pas le routard...
Largement suffisant, ton budget !
Tu trouveras partout des chambres à moins de 5 euros (voire à moins de un euro !), et tu pourras manger dans la rue pour 50 cts ou un euro.
Pour le reste, tu prends les bus locaux, tu loues des vélos, et tu ne crames pas ton budget dans les bières, et tu auras plein de pépètes en rab à la fin du voyage.
Concernant l'Inde...
Je ne sais pas comment tu as fait pour claquer autant en si peu de temps...😛
Pourrais tu me dire où ces chambres à moins de 5 euros (et je ne parle même pas de celles à moins de 1 euro...) ?
bonjour ton budget suffira MAIS tu ne fera pas grand chose en visite, te loger te coutera pas un euro et manger dans la rue ca va une fois au risque d avoir une bonne tourista mais pas tous les jours on a pas l estomac des asiatiques et on a certain besoin alimentaire qu il n ont pas
pour un petit budget comme le tien c est une bonne destination maintenant c est bien des fois de partir moins longtemps et approfondir un peu plus chose est sure je serai tres etonne de te voir rentrer avec encore de l argent dans les poches
si je te dis ca c est parcqu on connait tres bien l asie du sud est et on est toujours tente de voir plein de choses
bon voyage et profite en bien
Tu trouveras partout des chambres à moins de 5 euros (voire à moins de un euro !), et tu pourras manger dans la rue pour 50 cts ou un euro.
Tu oublies de dire que s'il n'est que de passage, il ne pourra pas negocier les prix a la baisse comme quand on reste plusieurs jours voire plusieurs semaines.
Pour la nourriture, faut encore etre capable de manger dans la rue tous les jours. Toi, tu es un sportif habitue aux regimes stricts et tu as l'habitude de l'Asie, le visiteur "lambda" ne tient pas a ce rythme.
Tu es toujours au VN ? Ou en ce moment ? Tu es bien retape ????
Bon, chacun sa façon de voyager, certes, mais je ne suis pas un affabulateur, merci bien...🙁
Depuis décembre 2006, date à laquelle j'ai commencé à voyager "sérieusement", je n'ai jamais payé plus de 5 euros une chambre. Généralement, je paie dans les 2-3 euros. Il m'est arrivé de payer 1, 20 euro (en Thailande, par ex). Et ça date de septembre dernier, pas du Paléolithique, je précise.
Au Vietnam, c'est plus cher, et je débourse donc environ 3, 50-4 euros. Jusqu'à présent, je n'ai jamais payé plus de 100 000 vnd, soit 4, 30 euros. La ruine, vu mes habitudes ! 😄
A ce prix là, dans ce pays, j'ai assez souvent sdb, eau chaude, téloche....et tout est propre. Un luxe auquel je ne suis pas habitué. Même à Saigon j'ai réussi à me loger pour 3, 70 euros.
J'ai toutefois réussi à me loger deux fois pour moins d'un euro : à Kampot (Cambodge) et à Don Det (Laos). Même si je suis resté dans ce dernier logement un mois complet, je n'avais pas négocié le tarif, car cela me semblait indécent vu le prix presque symbolique.
Pour ce qui est de la bouffe, je ne mange exclusivement dans la rue ou les bouis-bouis locaux, et ne suis jamais malade. Cela m'est arrivé au tout, tout début, en Inde (forcément), mais depuis RAS.
Voilà voilà...😛
Maintenant, je ne sais pas quel voyage va mener la personne qui a démarré cette discussion, mais à la réponse de départ, je réponds (forcément sur la base de MON expérience...) par l'affirmative. Pour ce que est de l'alimentation, il est évident qu'une personne qui ne voyage que quelques jours ou semaines une fois par an risque de tomber malade. Moi, y'a très peu chances...
ps : je suis a Dalat, et viens de terminer une seconde journée de rêve. Temps super, et jolie balade à moto pour voir de beaux paysages, temples, lacs et autres...Ah oui, et puisqu'on parle de pépètes, la moto (une Honda Wave Alpha toute neuve) m'a coûté 2, 20 euros la journée...
Tout comme l'habit ne fait pas le moine, le sac à dos ne fait pas le routard...
je ne prends pas pour moi la réponse que tu fais...à aucun moment, j'ai cherché à évaluer tes dires ...j'ai juste voulu dire que globalement un budget de 20 usd correspond à la réalité approximativede ce que dépensent des jeunes ou des vieux routards ...encore une fois, je parle sur un forum public donc ne fais pas de l'expérience individuelle une réponse générale...ce qui ne veut pas dire que je la conteste !
Dire comme ca a été le cas récemment que rejoindre banlung à sen monorom est facile, est différent de dire que des transports publics ne le font pas ! C'est un exemple ...et les infos ne sont pas contradictoires ou suspicieuses mais complémentaires ...
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
tu as oublie de preciser que si notre ami arrive par voie terrestresur la thailande et bien il n aura que 15 jours de visa!!!
30 jours a condition d arriver par avion et d un pays exterieur bien sure...
Tout d'abord lorsque je dis 1200€ pour deux mois en Inde, c'est billet d'avion compris (500€) puis c'est vrai que sur la fin je me suis acheté des vêtements "occidentaux" à Bombay....
D'après vous, 2500€ devraient être ok, sachant que je cherche des petits hôtels pas chers, juste avec un minimum d'hygiène (pas de bébêtes, des draps propres et une salle de bain propre). La télé, la piscine... c'est pas mon truc 🙂
En Inde j'ai été malade une à deux reprises à cause de la nourriture achetée dans des bouis-bouis la première fois, puis la seconde fois c'est parceque j'ai mangé chez l'habitant, et je ne pense pas que mon estomac était prêt pour leur curry trés épicé!
Donc en gros je peux voyager pour 10€/jour et rester entre 15 et 30 jours dans chaque pays.
Par contre, une question essentielle pour moi, le climat. En effet lorsque je suis parti en Inde en juillet et août, je pensais partir de Bombay et faire la côte ouest, remonter par la côte est, et revenir à Bombay par les terres. Mais dès Goa, il a plu et j'ai changé de plan, je suis parti à l'est pour finir par l'ouest ce qui m'a permis de faire mon voyage sans une seule journée de pluie par la suite!
Sachant que je pars à la mi-avril je pense, y a-t'il des chances que je recontre la pluie? S'il s'agit d'une pluie par jour, cela m'est égal, c'est toujours trés rafraîchaissant! Mais quatre mois sous l'eau c'est moins drôle...
quand j'ai lu votre msg et avec ce budget pr faire tout ça en 4mois, j'ai réfléchi pendant 1bonne heure pr essayer de me convaincre que vous allez y arriver!!!
mais honnêtement je ne sais pas comment????
Je connais assez bien le Cambodge (les 3autres pays pas très bien), pour le prix des logement dépende de la saison (mi sept à mars c'est la haute saison, fin mars à début sept y a moins de monde ).
Pendant la basse saison, dans les Guest house vous pouvez trouver mini 7$ (un lit, douche, WC, ventilo), mais fo bien fouiller...
La nourriture: si vous supportez bien le riz ts les jours vous pouvez manger (ds les gargouilles classique du pays), comptez 3, 4, 5dollas pas jours (là suis au mini..)
Il faudra compter les tickets pr visiter les temples (Siem reap et autres), Pour Siem reap: 1jour de visite coute 20$, 2 et 3jours 40$, 4, 5, 6jours 60$.
Pour le moyen de transport dans une ville, vous pouvez louer un vélo, ou moto dop.
voilà, j'espère que vous pouvez en tirer qq info sur mon msg.
Bon, chacun sa façon de voyager, certes, mais je ne suis pas un affabulateur, merci bien...
Je sais que tu n'es pas un affabulateur et je te tire mon chapeau pour ta debrouillardise.
Ah oui, et puisqu'on parle de pép��tes, la moto (une Honda Wave Alpha toute neuve) m'a coûté 2, 20 euros la journée...
50.000 VND pour une moto la journee, c'est chouette. Ici a Nha Trang, tu ne trouves pas en-dessous de 80.000 VND, mais comme je le disais hier encore a un client qui s'etonnait des prix du taxi (meter et Mai Linh, donc pas d'arnaque), Nha Trang, c'est Cannes ou Nice en equivalent prix et standing. Faut donc pas s'etonner de payer plus cher qu'ailleurs. Si je n'aimais pas tant cette ville privilegiee de par beaucoup de points, j'irais voir ailleurs si mon portefeuille ne se sent pas mieux 😉😉😉😉
Pour ce qui est de la bouffe, je ne mange exclusivement dans la rue ou les bouis-bouis locaux, et ne suis jamais malade.
Moi aussi je mange dans la rue et je ne suis jamais malade non plus, sauf qq bonnes ch... passageres, mon copain Vietnamien y a droit aussi parfois, il suffit de pas grand'chose😏😏😏
Je prefere quand meme prevenir les touristes, car quand je les entends poser des questions sur les glacons, l'eau, les crudites etc, meme dans les restaurants "chic", j'imagine leurs frayeurs face a certains restos de rue. Nous, on a l'habitude (encore qu'il m'est arrive de refuser de manger dans certains coins des montagnes du Nord vu l'etat de crasse ambiante), mais ce n'est pas le cas de tout le monde. J'ai beau dire que les locaux, eux-memes, utilisent de l'eau purifiee pour faire les glacons ou qu'elle vient de la fabrique, certains me regardent encore avec des yeux pleins d'effroi en pensant a toutes les bacteries et autres saletes qui pourraient se trouver dans leur nourriture. A force de vivre dans un monde aseptise, beaucoup deviennent fragiles. Peut-etre sommes-nous des champions de l'anti-corps 😛😛😛 ?
Bonne continuation et beaucoup de soleil !!! Ici, ca s'est enfin remis depuis quelques jours, il fait bon, juste ce qu'il faut pour se balader sans suer.
tu as oublie de preciser que si notre ami arrive par voie terrestresur la thailande et bien il n aura que 15 jours de visa!!!
30 jours a condition d arriver par avion et d un pays exterieur bien sure...
Merci de la precision, je n'etais pas au courant et j'ai dit une betise😊 Comme quoi, les forums sont utiles, il y a plus dans 1000 tetes que dans une.
Cordialement,
Pat
Par contre, une question essentielle pour moi, le climat.
Sachant que je pars à la mi-avril je pense, y a-t'il des chances que je recontre la pluie? S'il s'agit d'une pluie par jour, cela m'est égal, c'est toujours trés rafraîchaissant! Mais quatre mois sous l'eau c'est moins drôle...
mi-avril pour 4 mois ca fait jusqu'a mi-aout.
Pour le Viet Nam, si tu veux le visiter du Nord au Sud ou inversement, ne le garde pas pour la fin du voyage, car la mousson commence fin avril, debut mai; dans le Sud, les plus grosses pluies sont en juillet-aout.
Quelques pluies possibles et meme de tres fortes dans le Nord en juillet - aout (voir 2008 ou il y a eu de terribles innondations), mais ca ne dure pas trop longtemps et le soleil revient tres vite.
Pour le reste du pays (Centre et Hauts Plateaux), il fait beau, chaud et ensoleille, c'est la meilleure saison pour le visiter si on aime la chaleur, evidemment.
Maintenant, il faut quand meme se dire que c'est une question de chance. A une semaine d'intervalle, certains se tapent un temps de m... pendant tout leur circuit et d'autres ne voient pas une goutte.
Pour ton budget, pense aussi que les mois de juillet et aout sont "saison haute" dans certains endroits (vacances scolaires obligent) et que les prix sont a l'avenant.
il faut quand meme se dire que c'est une question de chance. A une semaine d'intervalle, certains se tapent un temps de m... pendant tout leur circuit et d'autres ne voient pas une goutte
Avant de parler de chance, il faut déjà connaitre un peu le temps habituel d'une région. Il y a des périodes où il y a une stabilité climatique d'une année à l'autre avec bien entendu des exceptions qui peuvent dépasser une durée de vie humaine. On peut alors planifier son séjour sans souci.
En période incertaine, comme par exemple en plein été pour le Sud et pour le Nord, il vaut mieux s'informer au dernier moment et changer de circuit dès qu'on peut. Il y a toujours un endroit où le temps est agréable pour voyager et que le paysage vaut bien le change.
Lors de mon dernier périple, je suis parti me "réfugier" à Nam Cat Tiên et Dalat, quand j'ai vu qu'une tempête tropicale allait traverser le delta du Mékong. Le budget s'est considérablement augmenté en débarquant au Golf3 puis Empress Hôtel de Dalat, pour ce séjour. Mais une semaine après, de Soc Trang à Hà Tiên en passant par Phu Quôc, le budget hôtelier devient raisonnable et le porte-feuille s'est rééquilibré.
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
En période incertaine, comme par exemple en plein été pour le Sud et pour le Nord, il vaut mieux s'informer au dernier moment et changer de circuit dès qu'on peut. Il y a toujours un endroit où le temps est agréable pour voyager et que le paysage vaut bien le change.
Hello,
Oui, c'est certain, mais ce n'est pas possible pour tout le monde. Les visiteurs qui arrivent pour un premier sejour au Viet Nam sont deja suffisamment "perdus" avec un itineraire prevu a l'avance. S'ils doivent en plus changer de destination au dernier moment, bonjour l'angoisse... De plus, financierement, beaucoup sont "short", calculent trop juste et ne peuvent pas se permettre de prendre ce risque.
Heureuse que tu aies pu profiter du beau temps. Toujours a Saigon ?
Lucky that we have a home/Our Home is Nha May Man/Passing rain and dry seasons/In a full-of-love atmosphere/Besides my new family/I have brothers and sisters/The sun shines over the skies/Let's stay here, with all of us,
Merci encore pour tous ces messages!
Décidément, Voyagesforum vaut bien un lonely planet, c'est une vraie mine d'informations mais aussi d'échanges et de conseils.
Je crois que j'ai de bonnes bases pour partir. Je vais quand même acheter les lonely planet pour les sites à visiter ainsi que les blogs de ceux qui sont déjà partis...
Au final, 2500€ correspond à 20€/jour. Je pense sincèrement que c'est possible, mais je vais quand même prévoir une petite rallonge si jamais je rencontre des soucis, parce que voyager c'est aussi prévoir parfois!
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Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
I've scoured this site, which is usually my go-to 😉, and others like VoyageForum, but recent info is pretty scarce.
I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
Thanks in advance!
Bonjour je souhaite diviser mon séjour en 2 parties soit 15 jours à phuket et 15 jours sur krabi. Savez-vous si je peux louer une voiture et la rendre a krabi lors de mon retour en France
Merci de vos retours
Bon dimanche
Martine
Hi, is anyone there in Flores right now? According to some websites, everything is closed and the situation is tough. But our guide says it's fine. Who should we believe? We're supposed to leave on September 2nd. Thanks to anyone in Flores at the moment!
Bonjour précieuse communauté,
J'envisage de me rendre au Cambodge cet hiver, juste après Noël, pour un premier voyage seule, et mon premier voyage en Asie. Pour deux semaines (oui, je sais, c'est peu, mais je ne peux vraiment pas plus...). J'ai deux grandes envies: Siem Reap, et la campagne, les villages, le Mekong...
Que pensez-vous de cet itinéraire? Arrivée à Siem Reap, départ de Phnom Penh
SR: 5 jours (1 jour pour l'arrivée, 3 pour les temples, 1 pour le lac et ses villages)
Kratie (étape sur la route du Mondolkiri): 3 jours (1 jour de trajet, 2 jours sur place)
Mondolkiri/Sen Monorom: 4 jours (1 jour de trajet, 1 jour sur place, 2 jours de treks)
PP: 3 jours (1 jour de trajet, 2 jours de visite)
Je pense qu'il faut que j'enlève un jour quelque part, si je pars du samedi au samedi, ou du dimanche au dimanche. A Kratie, peut-être? à PP? et je rate le trajet en bateau que tout le monde conseille (SR-Battambang), mais je ne vois pas où le caser. Sauf à faire un PP-PP en commençant par l'est, laisser tomber Kratie ou vraiment juste une nuit, puis SR, puis PP).
Dans mon timing, j'ai l'impression que le Mondolkiri est plus proche que le Ratanakiri, qui me tentait aussi beaucoup! Est-ce que cela restera pas trop compliqué toute seule? Je pense faire appel à des guides locaux, ou une petite agence locale, pour faire une escapade dans la nature et les villages.
Je lis qu'il y a beaucoup de monde à SR entre Noël et Nouvel An, je peux aussi faire le circuit dans l'autre sens. Mais je trouvais plus facile de me familiariser avec le pays en arrivant en territoire touristique, je me trompe peut-être...
Merci pour vos conseils et avis!
Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.
Hi everyone.
I’m planning my trip, and based on all the posts I’ve read, this country is amazing.
Of course, I’ve got a ton of questions for you.
Here’s a possible itinerary: Vientiane - Vang Vieng - Phonsavan - Sam Neua - Nong Khiaw + villages - Phongsali - Luang Namtha and the area - Udomxai - Huay Xai - Luang Prabang and back to Vientiane.
What do you think?
We’re planning to prioritize local transport—is it possible to do this loop?
We’d also love to go kayaking, but I’m not sure if the season’s right or where the best spot is.
For trekking—I read that Phongsali is the most authentic spot to visit villages and see wildlife. Do you know of a reliable agency and a guesthouse with reasonable prices?
Is it worth taking a slow boat for a stretch on the Mekong, and if so, which route?
For accommodations, is it better to book through Booking.com and Agoda or look when we arrive?
Are mosquitoes bad in Laos, and should we take malaria prophylaxis?
What’s the average daily budget (accommodation, food, visits)?
Is renting scooters a good option for exploring towns, and if so, which ones?
From what I’ve read, it’s best to carry cash—euros or dollars? Is it risky to walk around with that much cash?
I’ve still got tons of questions. Thanks to anyone who can help, and I’m open to all tips, info, etc.
Thanks again
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Vietnam in February, specifically Da Nang and Hoi An.
Does anyone know a French-speaking guide in the area?
Thanks for your help
Hi there,
I’m planning a family trip (my wife and I, both 47, and our two sons, aged 5 and 12) to Malaysia for the last week of June and the first two weeks of July 2027.
We used to love road trips as a couple, then as a trio, but since our second child arrived, we’ve taken a break with "camping village" style trips.
Now feels like the right time to get back to our old habits, while adjusting the pace for the kids.
We’re craving Asia. We’ve been lucky enough to visit Thailand, Indonesia (Bali and Lombok), and Sri Lanka before.
Friends have raved about Malaysia, so we’re definitely tempted.
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Hello,
We’re a family of four with two teens aged 16 and 18. We’re heading to Thailand this summer. We’ll arrive in Bangkok and plan to take a flight to Luang Prabang.
I’ve seen there are some great visits and excursions to do (temples, markets, waterfalls) and maybe even venture a bit north to places like Nong Khiaw, Muang Xay, Muang Ngoy, or Oudom Xay.
But I’ve also heard about the Bokeo region with the Gibbon Experience.
Since we won’t be able to do everything, I’d love to hear about your experiences, impressions, and advice on the two options I’m considering, especially since we’ll be meeting family in Chiang Mai, Thailand, afterward.
Option 1: A loop from Luang Prabang heading slightly north, then a flight from Luang Prabang to Chiang Mai.
Option 2: A few days in Luang Prabang, exploring within a few dozen kilometers around, then heading to Bokeo province for the 2-day/1-night Gibbon Experience. For this option, I saw on Rome2Rio that it’s possible to book a ferry trip on the Mekong from Luang Prabang to Huay Xay—they mention about 8 hours. But is that realistic? What type of boat is it?
Then, to get to Chiang Mai, there aren’t many options—bus or minivan—but how does crossing the border work?
Finally, for those of you who’ve been to Laos in August, what was the weather like?
We’ve already visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during the same period over the past four years and weren’t really bothered by bad weather.
I’m starting a discussion about guides in the Mekong Delta because we’ve just finished our trip in this region and had a hard time finding a French-speaking guide. We had Thanh—she speaks French really well and travels all over the delta region, including Ho Chi Minh City. She’s super friendly and flexible. I recommend her wholeheartedly. If it can help someone...
Feel free to contact us for her number.
Hi everyone,
I couldn’t find any recent info on Kuching.
Can anyone recommend a hotel or guesthouse for under 100 RM that’s nice and affordable? No dorms, please.
Also, does it rain a lot in November, and is it still worth visiting Semenggoh or Bako?
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you?
If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip?
I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days.
I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome!
I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Hello everyone,
Not long ago, I used to travel as a couple, but my husband has since passed away, and I’ve decided to set off again. The trip I took to Cambodia in January 2025 did me a world of good.
I’m now considering Thailand, a destination we never included in our plans because even 15 years ago, people said it was too touristy. Still, I’m thinking about the itinerary below, but I don’t feel up to arranging buses, trains, or guides on my own while I’m there. I’m looking for one or more drivers and have been in touch with an agency, but their offers are just copy-paste group tours that I don’t want.
So, if you have any contacts, experiences, or advice, I’d be so grateful if you’d share them with me. Here’s my rough plan:
Arrival in Bangkok
Ayutthaya (2 nights)
Kanchanaburi (2 or 3 nights)
Sangkhlaburi/Sai Yok (3 nights)
Sukhothai (2 nights)
Lampang (I’ve planned 3 nights, but that might be a bit much—it depends on what time I arrive in the city)
Chiang Mai
Chiang Dao
Pai
Chiang Rai
I was thinking about the Mae Hong Son loop—thoughts?
What do you think about staying overnight at the Golden Triangle?
When I look online, of course, I can find agencies that organize tours to national parks, etc.
I’m retired but in great physical shape. I’d rather go hiking than sit in hot springs with crowds of tourists who’ve all arranged meet-ups. I don’t want to spend a day at an elephant camp, and I don’t want to visit Karen villages.
I’d love to hear your advice.
Thank you all,
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur
Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral.
Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo).
Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok:
* Orangutan Center
* Malayan Sun Bear Center
* Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan.
Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari.
Jungle walk.
Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari.
Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port.
Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar
5 full days.
* Snorkeling
* Hiking
* Turtle watching
* Wild beaches
* Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland.
Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali.
And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people!
So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops):
- 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud
2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa)
1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...)
- 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces)
- 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai
- 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed)
- 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island)
- 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan)
- 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels.
Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?)
Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?)
Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027:
- Phnom Penh
- Kampong Cham
- Kratie
- Siem Reap
- Battambang
- Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights.
Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above.
Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations:
We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights:
The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1:
We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2:
This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3:
With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4:
Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings.
We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops.
In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5:
Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6:
This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8:
Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10:
On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12:
We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines.
Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment.
We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15:
From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP).
We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning.
We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise.
Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16:
We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town.
It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view.
We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise.
In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911.
On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city.
We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17:
Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning.
Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in.
The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances:
In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary:
Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional.
Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips:
Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred.
PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront).
Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
We’re planning our second trip to Thailand (2 weeks on-site, late April/early May) as a family with our 5- and 7-year-olds.
On our first trip, we visited Bangkok, Ayutthaya, the River Kwai, Koh Lipe, Koh Phi Phi, and Khao Lak. We especially loved Koh Phi Phi for its limestone cliffs and lush vegetation, as well as Koh Lipe for its crystal-clear waters and snorkeling.
This time, I’m thinking of spending 7 days on the islands. I was considering Koh Tao and Koh Phangan. We’d like some scenery, snorkeling right from the beach, and a bit of atmosphere—but not too much (just enough to grab dinner in the evening).
For the other part of the trip, we’re torn between Chiang Mai and Khao Sok. One or the other… or both? We don’t want to rush, but we’re really nature-focused, so we won’t be hitting too many temples…