Carte grise de véhicule en France
by Hirondelle6
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
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Que pensez-vous de l'obligation de faire les demandes de carte grise via internet ? Je trouve cela complètement aberrant. Ça supprime des emplois de guichetier dans les Préfectures et sous-Préfectures, ça rend dépendant des autres les personnes qui ne sont pas familiarisées avec internet, et surtout c'est une aubaine pour les faussaires : n'importe qui peut créer un compte à votre nom sur le site de l'agence nationale des titres sécurisés, faire un certificat comme quoi vous lui cédez votre véhicule, ensuite il va sur son compte à lui pour accepter la cession du véhicule, et hop ! il imprime une carte grise depuis son ordinateur, et le voilà propriétaire de votre véhicule. Le gouvernement français va vite faire marche arrière quand il s'apercevra de ça, et reviendra à l'ancien système.
ce n'est peut-être pas assez sécurisé, et je suis d'accord pour dénoncer ce qu'il est convenu d'appeler la "fracture numérique" qui va pénaliser nombre de nos concitoyens, et supprimer des emplois traditionnels.
mais je ne crois pas que quiconque fera machine arrière et que nous reviendrons à l'ancien système.
si l'état constate des malversations dues à son manque de contrôle, il sécurisera. Les banques, les grandes enseignes de commerce en ligne le font fort bien.
Autant revenir à l'emploi de la brouette et du plan incliné dans le BTP.
il va falloir saisir tout ça à bras le corps, former les gens et donner des moyens d'accès à la connexion.
encore faut-il que l'on ne considère pas le numérique comme un ennemi du genre humain, et que certaines personnes fassent un petit effort... je sais ce n'est pas gagné, je le vois autour de moi.
Autant revenir à l'emploi de la brouette et du plan incliné dans le BTP.
il va falloir saisir tout ça à bras le corps, former les gens et donner des moyens d'accès à la connexion.
encore faut-il que l'on ne considère pas le numérique comme un ennemi du genre humain, et que certaines personnes fassent un petit effort... je sais ce n'est pas gagné, je le vois autour de moi.
Salut
Je râle comme beaucoup de monde mais j'avoue que les attentes de plusieurs heures à la préfecture avec mon ticket à la main m'exaspéraient au plus haut point. Il m'est arrivée de repartir bredouille, une fois parce-qu'il manquait le 3ème feuillet du triplicata du dossier bleu numéro 2 du bureau étage 3 porte 6 ouvert de 10h55 à 10h45 🤪 Une autre fois après avoir attendu 3 heures, m'être présentée au guichet à 10h59 et que ça fermait à 11h. Quand on bosse on a autre chose à faire...
Mes démarches récentes par internet sur .gouv.fr ont échoué. J'ai utilisé un service payant, ça m'a couté 40€ et économisé un maximum d'énergie. demarchescartegrise.com/...plFHEooaAn-rEALw_wcB D'autres petites boîtes comme celles-ci vont se créer, des petits boulots sont déjà en place dans les mairies et les médiathèques pour aider ceux qui ne s'en sortent pas.
Nous sommes dans une période transitoire, dans quelques années tout cela sera oublié.
Je râle comme beaucoup de monde mais j'avoue que les attentes de plusieurs heures à la préfecture avec mon ticket à la main m'exaspéraient au plus haut point. Il m'est arrivée de repartir bredouille, une fois parce-qu'il manquait le 3ème feuillet du triplicata du dossier bleu numéro 2 du bureau étage 3 porte 6 ouvert de 10h55 à 10h45 🤪 Une autre fois après avoir attendu 3 heures, m'être présentée au guichet à 10h59 et que ça fermait à 11h. Quand on bosse on a autre chose à faire...
Mes démarches récentes par internet sur .gouv.fr ont échoué. J'ai utilisé un service payant, ça m'a couté 40€ et économisé un maximum d'énergie. demarchescartegrise.com/...plFHEooaAn-rEALw_wcB D'autres petites boîtes comme celles-ci vont se créer, des petits boulots sont déjà en place dans les mairies et les médiathèques pour aider ceux qui ne s'en sortent pas.
Nous sommes dans une période transitoire, dans quelques années tout cela sera oublié.
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"Le Temps nous égare. Le Temps nous étreint. Le Temps nous est gare. Le Temps nous est train".
" ... dans quelques années tout cela sera oublié."
Alzheimer ?
Alzheimer ?
😄 C'est vrai que la formule est un peu solennelle.
(mais ça a déjà commencé, chuuuut ...!)
Mes photos sur Flickr:
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"Le Temps nous égare. Le Temps nous étreint. Le Temps nous est gare. Le Temps nous est train".
" ... dans quelques années tout cela sera oublié."
Alzheimer ?
Nous sommes dans une période transitoire, dans quelques années tout cela sera oublié.
pas alzheimer, mais les complications et bredouillis des débuts. le temps que le système se rôde ...
Alzheimer ?
Nous sommes dans une période transitoire, dans quelques années tout cela sera oublié.
pas alzheimer, mais les complications et bredouillis des débuts. le temps que le système se rôde ...
"Il m'est arrivée de repartir bredouille, une fois parce-qu'il manquait le 3ème feuillet du triplicata du dossier bleu numéro 2 du bureau étage 3 porte 6 ouvert de 10h55 à 10h45 🤪
Une autre fois après avoir attendu 3 heures, m'être présentée au guichet à 10h59 et que ça fermait à 11h. Quand on bosse on a autre chose à faire..."
oui, et pour pas mal de choses, on est complètement passé à une gestion informatisée (genre SS et CAF, paiement des retraites ect) franchement, c'est le bonheur ! je me rappelle à Paris avoir fait en 1977 6 heures de queue (on vous prêtait des berceaux sur roulettes pour le bébés) à la CAF ( UNE adresse pour Paris + petite couronne) pour remettre en route des prestations après une erreur de "la caisse" .... avoir vu les derniers "payeurs" comme on les appelait, passer de famille en famille pour régler en espèces les allocations familiales avec du fric plein une sacoche en cuir ... autre temps 😉
bref, finalement les cartes grises et autres démarches en ligne, je vote pour.
oui, et pour pas mal de choses, on est complètement passé à une gestion informatisée (genre SS et CAF, paiement des retraites ect) franchement, c'est le bonheur ! je me rappelle à Paris avoir fait en 1977 6 heures de queue (on vous prêtait des berceaux sur roulettes pour le bébés) à la CAF ( UNE adresse pour Paris + petite couronne) pour remettre en route des prestations après une erreur de "la caisse" .... avoir vu les derniers "payeurs" comme on les appelait, passer de famille en famille pour régler en espèces les allocations familiales avec du fric plein une sacoche en cuir ... autre temps 😉
bref, finalement les cartes grises et autres démarches en ligne, je vote pour.
et autres démarches en ligne, je vote pour.
Et pour les voyages, c'est pas génial ? 😎😎
Et pour les voyages, c'est pas génial ? 😎😎
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"Le Temps nous égare. Le Temps nous étreint. Le Temps nous est gare. Le Temps nous est train".
Ha si bien sur.... 🙂
Et pour le lien avec amis et enfants
Bref comment vivre sans ? Je ne saurais plus 😛
Bref comment vivre sans ? Je ne saurais plus 😛
Il faut quand même prouver son identité pour ouvrir un compte et c'est assez compliqué, donc non n'importe qui ne peut pas "ouvrir un compte à ton nom". Après on est pas à l'abri d'un piratage mais c'est le cas pour tout ce qui est en ligne.
Pour avoir perdu récemment ma carte grise, j'ai fait la demande de la nouvelle en ligne.... et je me suis trompé dans l'immatriculation 😛 (comme quoi on ne se relit jamais assez) le lendemain j'avais un message en rouge : cette voiture ne vous appartient pas !!! Tout ça pour dire qu'il y a quand même des vérifs de faites. Et puis l'ouverture d'un compte sur ANTS n'est pas facile et directe : soit tu fais un lien avec ton compte des impôts qui est déjà vérifié, soit tu crée un compte de zéro et il faut télécharger de nombreux documents prouvant ton ID.
Pour avoir perdu récemment ma carte grise, j'ai fait la demande de la nouvelle en ligne.... et je me suis trompé dans l'immatriculation 😛 (comme quoi on ne se relit jamais assez) le lendemain j'avais un message en rouge : cette voiture ne vous appartient pas !!! Tout ça pour dire qu'il y a quand même des vérifs de faites. Et puis l'ouverture d'un compte sur ANTS n'est pas facile et directe : soit tu fais un lien avec ton compte des impôts qui est déjà vérifié, soit tu crée un compte de zéro et il faut télécharger de nombreux documents prouvant ton ID.
« Ne soyons plus anglais ni français ni allemands. Soyons européens. Ne soyons plus européens, soyons hommes. - Soyons l'humanité. Il nous reste à abdiquer un dernier égoïsme : la patrie. » Victor Hugo
http://www.domainofdamien.eu/GR10/index.html
http://www.domainofdamien.eu/GR10/index.html
Bjr à tous
Je confirme les propos de Desman.
Au contraire les demandes de cartes grises à présent portent sur une sécurité accrue.
Le point le plus important est la cession OBLIGATOIRE par le vendeur au moment de la vente.
Cela garantit à présent de ne plus être importuné si l'acheteur ne fait pas la demande d'échange du certificat de circulation.
Cela protège aussi des PV puisque enregistrement immédiat de l'acquéreur.
Lors d'une vente à un pro faites une cession comme pour un particulier. L'idéal est aussi de faire auparavant la déclaration d'achat et de la faire signer par le pro avec le tampon de l’établissement. Le pro n'a pas obligation de signer cette déclaration d'achat au vendeur, en fait il suffit d'être persuasif et surtout oblige ce pro à faire la déclaration rapidement.
Lors du premier contact de la vente à un particulier demander la copie de CI (carte d'identité) et du justificatif de domicile. Ensuite au moment de la livraison demander le permis de conduire et une attestation d'assurance. Interdiction de vendre à un mineur (sauf en deuxième titulaire de la carte grise).
Bien sur désagrément au moins toute l'année afin que ce nouveau service prenne ses marques et que les fichiers Préfectures soient enregistrés au SIV. Cdt
Lors d'une vente à un pro faites une cession comme pour un particulier. L'idéal est aussi de faire auparavant la déclaration d'achat et de la faire signer par le pro avec le tampon de l’établissement. Le pro n'a pas obligation de signer cette déclaration d'achat au vendeur, en fait il suffit d'être persuasif et surtout oblige ce pro à faire la déclaration rapidement.
Lors du premier contact de la vente à un particulier demander la copie de CI (carte d'identité) et du justificatif de domicile. Ensuite au moment de la livraison demander le permis de conduire et une attestation d'assurance. Interdiction de vendre à un mineur (sauf en deuxième titulaire de la carte grise).
Bien sur désagrément au moins toute l'année afin que ce nouveau service prenne ses marques et que les fichiers Préfectures soient enregistrés au SIV. Cdt
Mes démarches récentes par internet sur .gouv.fr ont échoué. J'ai utilisé un service payant, ça m'a couté 40€ et économisé un maximum d'énergie
Vous avez eu une excellente idée de faire appel à un site marchand. Ça permet d'éviter le stress de l'administratif, qui, en France, atteint de tels sommets qu'il provoque une phobie touchant même des personnes haut placées comme Thomas Thévenoud. J'ai suivi votre exemple, à ceci près que je n'ai pas fait appel à un site en ligne, mais plutôt à un magasin avec guichet, car je préfère le contact humain. En effet, en face de la sous-préfecture de la ville où j'habite, vient de s'implanter un magasin qui délivre les plaques d'immatriculation et les cartes grises. Eh bien, le magasin demande seulement 20 € pour le précieux travail qu'il fait pour nous, et ma carte grise ne m'a coûté que 2€76, car j'ai une voiture hybride (mi-électrique, mi-thermique).
Vous avez eu une excellente idée de faire appel à un site marchand. Ça permet d'éviter le stress de l'administratif, qui, en France, atteint de tels sommets qu'il provoque une phobie touchant même des personnes haut placées comme Thomas Thévenoud. J'ai suivi votre exemple, à ceci près que je n'ai pas fait appel à un site en ligne, mais plutôt à un magasin avec guichet, car je préfère le contact humain. En effet, en face de la sous-préfecture de la ville où j'habite, vient de s'implanter un magasin qui délivre les plaques d'immatriculation et les cartes grises. Eh bien, le magasin demande seulement 20 € pour le précieux travail qu'il fait pour nous, et ma carte grise ne m'a coûté que 2€76, car j'ai une voiture hybride (mi-électrique, mi-thermique).
Ça permet d'éviter le stress de l'administratif, qui, en France, atteint de tels sommets qu'il provoque une phobie touchant même des personnes haut placées comme Thomas Thévenoud.
😛 😇
😛 😇
« Ne soyons plus anglais ni français ni allemands. Soyons européens. Ne soyons plus européens, soyons hommes. - Soyons l'humanité. Il nous reste à abdiquer un dernier égoïsme : la patrie. » Victor Hugo
http://www.domainofdamien.eu/GR10/index.html
http://www.domainofdamien.eu/GR10/index.html
Je suis entierement d'accord avec hirondelle6 sur la pertinence d'une "vraie" personne
Il faut garder a l'esprit que ces sites vont conserver un certain nombre de documents TRES precieux et personnel (adresse, papier officiel, n) carte bleue, etc) et se satisfaire d'une adresse mail ou pire encore d'un numero en 06 (comme vu souvent sur Coin-coin) c'est un peu inconscient
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So, to anyone who’s successfully gotten the authorization, could you tell me which address you used to get that "elusive" approval?...
Thanks for your help
So, to anyone who’s successfully gotten the authorization, could you tell me which address you used to get that "elusive" approval?...
Thanks for your help
Hi there,
I have a 9-seater passenger vehicle that I use for my business in Paris, transporting people.
I’m planning to go to Algeria with my family.
The vehicle registration lists my company as the owner.
Can I get a TPD (Temporary Admission Document)?
Will I need a KBis extract or a power of attorney?!?
Thanks for your help.
Worst case, I can add my personal name as a co-owner on the registration, but that would be a real shame!
Hi, are there any travelers who’ve recently crossed the border between Karakalpakstan (Uzbekistan) and Beineu in Kazakhstan?
It was closed for a while.
Thanks for any info!
Hi there,
I bought a one-way flight (Ryanair) and a return flight (EasyJet) to spend a week in Morocco in April. My passport expires 3 weeks after the return date. Some websites say the passport must be valid for 3 months at the time of entry. However, it will still be valid both on entry and return, but its validity will only be 1 month at the time of entry (and 3 weeks on the return date, everything prepaid).
It's an individual family trip.
The consulate can't give me an answer—they're still looking into it (really!)
Will Ryanair let me board in Beauvais in 3 weeks?
Thanks for your advice—this is a bit urgent 😕😕😕😕
I bought a one-way flight (Ryanair) and a return flight (EasyJet) to spend a week in Morocco in April. My passport expires 3 weeks after the return date. Some websites say the passport must be valid for 3 months at the time of entry. However, it will still be valid both on entry and return, but its validity will only be 1 month at the time of entry (and 3 weeks on the return date, everything prepaid).
It's an individual family trip.
The consulate can't give me an answer—they're still looking into it (really!)
Will Ryanair let me board in Beauvais in 3 weeks?
Thanks for your advice—this is a bit urgent 😕😕😕😕
Hello,
Last year, we stayed for 3 months in Thailand, north of Khao Lak, and were able to benefit from the 2-month visa exemption, renewable for one month by going to Takua Pa to validate a 1-month extension (1,900 baht). This year, it’s a disaster for us—not only were we planning a 4-month stay, adding a visa run in between (which some say is quite risky), but the law is apparently changing in the coming months with the return of the 1-month exemption (plus the usual 1-month option). So, we looked into applying for a 6-month multiple-entry visa, allowing a maximum of 60 consecutive days in Thailand. However, I can’t find anywhere the minimum time required outside Thailand between two stays—do any of you have an idea? Thanks for the info! If you’d like tips on Khao Lak and the surrounding areas, we’ve got some experience, though things change fast! Cheers, Bruno.
Last year, we stayed for 3 months in Thailand, north of Khao Lak, and were able to benefit from the 2-month visa exemption, renewable for one month by going to Takua Pa to validate a 1-month extension (1,900 baht). This year, it’s a disaster for us—not only were we planning a 4-month stay, adding a visa run in between (which some say is quite risky), but the law is apparently changing in the coming months with the return of the 1-month exemption (plus the usual 1-month option). So, we looked into applying for a 6-month multiple-entry visa, allowing a maximum of 60 consecutive days in Thailand. However, I can’t find anywhere the minimum time required outside Thailand between two stays—do any of you have an idea? Thanks for the info! If you’d like tips on Khao Lak and the surrounding areas, we’ve got some experience, though things change fast! Cheers, Bruno.
Hi there,
My partner, our 8-year-old daughter, and I are going on vacation to Gex.
We’ve decided to spend one day in Switzerland and another in Italy. Will we need ID (national ID card or passport)? Do we also need ID for our daughter?
Thanks so much for your answers! 🙂
My partner, our 8-year-old daughter, and I are going on vacation to Gex.
We’ve decided to spend one day in Switzerland and another in Italy. Will we need ID (national ID card or passport)? Do we also need ID for our daughter?
Thanks so much for your answers! 🙂
Hi everyone,
Some French friends are visiting NYC (4/5 days around mid-May) from Montreal, Canada. They’ve got their eTA and ESTA approved!
Round-trip transport by bus.
Question: Is the I-94 form required, mandatory, and should it be filled out on the bus or in advance???
Thanks for your RECENT experiences!
See you, Jean.
Some French friends are visiting NYC (4/5 days around mid-May) from Montreal, Canada. They’ve got their eTA and ESTA approved!
Round-trip transport by bus.
Question: Is the I-94 form required, mandatory, and should it be filled out on the bus or in advance???
Thanks for your RECENT experiences!
See you, Jean.
Hello,
We’ll soon be moving to Madagascar long-term.
As a French national, I need to obtain a short-stay visa that can be converted to a long-stay one. To do this, I have to send the required documents to the Madagascar embassy in Paris.
No issues with that procedure so far.
If I get this visa, once I arrive in Madagascar, I’ll need to provide the same documents to the Ministry of the Interior in Anosy. I’m trying to find an email address or website for the Ministry to check which documents I need to submit (I think they ask for additional ones).
If you have any info on this, I’d appreciate your replies.
Best regards,
M. Buisson Eric
Hi there,
I’d like to know if anyone has already applied for a private visa to Russia with an invitation from a Russian resident. I traveled earlier this year with an e-visa, but since I want to stay longer, I’ll be visiting my friend who lives in eastern Russia. For the visa application, does the invitation need to be on an official paper form issued by the Russian ministry? And most importantly, do I need to present the original for the application, or is there an electronic version that can be sent directly to the consulate in France? Thanks for any info if you’ve gone through this process before!
Best regards,
Gilles
I’d like to know if anyone has already applied for a private visa to Russia with an invitation from a Russian resident. I traveled earlier this year with an e-visa, but since I want to stay longer, I’ll be visiting my friend who lives in eastern Russia. For the visa application, does the invitation need to be on an official paper form issued by the Russian ministry? And most importantly, do I need to present the original for the application, or is there an electronic version that can be sent directly to the consulate in France? Thanks for any info if you’ve gone through this process before!
Best regards,
Gilles
I filled out the B2 form to apply for a visa, created an account on Atvis to pay the visa fees and schedule a meet-up, but every time I try to pay with my Boursobank Visa 1st card, they refuse the payment with a message telling me to check my details (address), even though everything is correct. Does anyone know why this is happening, or maybe they don’t accept Visa cards? Are you aware of this?
Thanks for your feedback!
Elisabeth
Hi,
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted. Is this real or just a hoax? Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received. Thanks everyone.
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted. Is this real or just a hoax? Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received. Thanks everyone.
Hi there,
We need to apply for a B2 visa because we visited Iran in 2018. It currently costs $185, but they’re planning an additional $250 fee per person for the same visa—it’s been approved but not yet implemented. Does anyone know when this fee will take effect?
Thanks in advance!
Elisabeth
Hi there,
In November, we're heading off on a 4-month trip. We'll be landing in China and plan to leave the country via a land border into Vietnam.
I’ve read that China may ask for proof of exit within 30 days (flight ticket or other reservation). Since we’d be leaving by land, I’m wondering how this works in practice.
Has anyone here been in this situation recently?
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊






