Merci d'avance
Vers Kunming en arrivant du Vietnam par Lao Cai
by Nouchema
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
J'ai lu sur un site dédié aux chemins de fer ds le monde que du coté Chinois, la ligne Hanoï-Kunming n'était pas disponible avant 2005. Quelqu'un sait-il ce qu'il en est désormais SVP?
Merci d'avance
Merci d'avance
On peut passer la frontière à ma connaissance. Il faut alors prendre le train de Hanoi à Lao Cai, puis le bus jusqu'à lafrontière chinoise (pas loin); traverser la frontière et continuer en bus côté chinois.
Mais les passages de frontière terrestres sont toujours un peu délicats, car ce sont des forntières "pour travailler" et où les douaniers sont peu habitués aux touristes.
Ce n'est pas une frontière difficle et probablement moins compliquée par exemple que le col de Torugart entre Kirghistan et Chine (avec le baskchiche à donner de chaque côté et être certain que le TO côté chinois vient vous chercher, parce que sinon, le kirghize ne vous laisse pas passer. Et le tout à 3800m d'altitude.
Cette route est appelée route trocolore parles chinois : noir pour le marché du même nom, vert pour le trafic de jade et blanc pour le trafic de drogue. Un chemin a préparer avec une certaine précaution, donc.
Mais les passages de frontière terrestres sont toujours un peu délicats, car ce sont des forntières "pour travailler" et où les douaniers sont peu habitués aux touristes.
Ce n'est pas une frontière difficle et probablement moins compliquée par exemple que le col de Torugart entre Kirghistan et Chine (avec le baskchiche à donner de chaque côté et être certain que le TO côté chinois vient vous chercher, parce que sinon, le kirghize ne vous laisse pas passer. Et le tout à 3800m d'altitude.
Cette route est appelée route trocolore parles chinois : noir pour le marché du même nom, vert pour le trafic de jade et blanc pour le trafic de drogue. Un chemin a préparer avec une certaine précaution, donc.
Bonjour,
Nous venons de le faire en sens inverse sans probleme.
Le train ne marche malheureusement que du cote Vietnamien, il te faudra donc prendre le bus pour rejoindre kunming du cote chinois.
Tu arrives en train a Lao Cai, la tu prends un taxi ou un taxi moto jusqu'au poste frontiere (qui est ouvert apres 18h30 - mais jusqu'a quelle heure, a verifier... - le lonely planet se plante).
Pas de probleme particulier pour passer la frontiere. Tu traverses ensuite un pont de 200 m a pied et tu arrives a Hei Kou en Chine !
De la, tu peux prendre un bus pour Kunming (un peu long a mon avis mais tout depend si tu es pressee ou pas !)
Si tu as le temps, arrete toi a Yuanyang haut (riziere en terasse en haut en ce moment, tres chouette) a environ 7 heures de bus de Hei Kou, puis a Jian Shui (jolie petite ville typique) a environ 3 heures de Yuanyang bas (soit 4 heure de Yuanyang haut) et 4 heures de Kunming. Ces 2 villes ne sont absolument pas touristiques et valent vraiment le coup !
Nous venons de le faire en sens inverse sans probleme.
Le train ne marche malheureusement que du cote Vietnamien, il te faudra donc prendre le bus pour rejoindre kunming du cote chinois.
Tu arrives en train a Lao Cai, la tu prends un taxi ou un taxi moto jusqu'au poste frontiere (qui est ouvert apres 18h30 - mais jusqu'a quelle heure, a verifier... - le lonely planet se plante).
Pas de probleme particulier pour passer la frontiere. Tu traverses ensuite un pont de 200 m a pied et tu arrives a Hei Kou en Chine !
De la, tu peux prendre un bus pour Kunming (un peu long a mon avis mais tout depend si tu es pressee ou pas !)
Si tu as le temps, arrete toi a Yuanyang haut (riziere en terasse en haut en ce moment, tres chouette) a environ 7 heures de bus de Hei Kou, puis a Jian Shui (jolie petite ville typique) a environ 3 heures de Yuanyang bas (soit 4 heure de Yuanyang haut) et 4 heures de Kunming. Ces 2 villes ne sont absolument pas touristiques et valent vraiment le coup !
BONSOIR
JE VAIS PARTIR AU VIETNAM LE JOUR DE NOEL ET COMPTE ME RENDRE AU YUNNAN ENSUITE DE HEKOU A KUMMING
JE COMPTE PASSER 2 JOURS A YUANYANG
QUE ME CONSEILLES TU COMME HOTEL ?
QU AS TU UTILISE COMME MOYEN DE TRANSPORT POUR ALLER DANS LES RIZIERES ET VILLAGES ENVIRONANTS ?
FACILE POUR CHANGER DES EUROS ?
ensuite nous comptons nous arreter à janshui mais là j ai déjà réservé une chambre à l hotel de la famille zhu
pour Kumning je compte aller à l hotel Camélia .....
peux tu me donner des conseils, stp ? l'anglais etait il un peu pratiqué ?
merci pour ton aide
sylvie Fargeas
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ensuite nous comptons nous arreter à janshui mais là j ai déjà réservé une chambre à l hotel de la famille zhu
pour Kumning je compte aller à l hotel Camélia .....
peux tu me donner des conseils, stp ? l'anglais etait il un peu pratiqué ?
merci pour ton aide
sylvie Fargeas
++
Bonjour,
Alors :
JE COMPTE PASSER 2 JOURS A YUANYANG, QUE ME CONSEILLES TU COMME HOTEL ?
Attention, quand tu arrives a Yuanyang, le bus peut te deposer a la gare routiere dans la ville de Yuanyang bas (dans la vallee), il faut alors prendre un minivan qui va dans la ville de Yuanyang dans la montagne (trajet qui dure 1H).
Ne prends pas un hotel dans la vallee, la ville n'a pas d'interet. Il faut que j'essaye de te retrouver le nom de l'hotel ou on etait mais ca va pas etre gagne. Je crois que de toute facon, il n'y a pas trop de choix.
QU AS TU UTILISE COMME MOYEN DE TRANSPORT POUR ALLER DANS LES RIZIERES ET VILLAGES ENVIRONANTS ?
Pour le moyen de transport, on a loue un minivan a la journee par le biais de l'hotel. Le mini bus t'emmene le matin pour le lever du soleil sur les rizieres, tu fais un tour, tu dejeunes, tu visites un village et il te ramene a l'hotel. Il te reprend vers 16H30 pour aller voir le coucher du soleil sur d'autres points de vue. Tu vas voir, ca vaut vraiment l'investissement (bien que je me rappelle plus du tout combien c'etait) ! C'est a mon avis le meilleur moyen, car ils connaissent bien leur parcours et comme tu fais beaucoup de route, tu rentabilises bien le minivan.
Je te conseille pas de le faire a velo, ca monte trop :)
FACILE POUR CHANGER DES EUROS ?
Il faut le faire a la frontiere (Heikou). Il y a des banques et si c'est ferme, tu peux le faire au marche noir a des taux pas forcement interessant mais qui peuvent depanner. Par contre, ca doit etre plus facile de changer des dollars que des euros au marche noir !
Pour Kumning je compte aller à l hotel Camélia .....
Nous aussi, nous y sommes alles, c'etait tres bien !
l'anglais etait il un peu pratiqué ? A jianshui et Yuanyang, personne ne parle anglais mais on arrive toujours a se debrouiller ! A Kunming, tu trouves plus facilement. Par contre, ce n'est pas comme au Vietnam, tu trouveras peu de gens qui parlent anglais.
N'hesite pas si tu as d'autres questions !
Alors :
JE COMPTE PASSER 2 JOURS A YUANYANG, QUE ME CONSEILLES TU COMME HOTEL ?
Attention, quand tu arrives a Yuanyang, le bus peut te deposer a la gare routiere dans la ville de Yuanyang bas (dans la vallee), il faut alors prendre un minivan qui va dans la ville de Yuanyang dans la montagne (trajet qui dure 1H).
Ne prends pas un hotel dans la vallee, la ville n'a pas d'interet. Il faut que j'essaye de te retrouver le nom de l'hotel ou on etait mais ca va pas etre gagne. Je crois que de toute facon, il n'y a pas trop de choix.
QU AS TU UTILISE COMME MOYEN DE TRANSPORT POUR ALLER DANS LES RIZIERES ET VILLAGES ENVIRONANTS ?
Pour le moyen de transport, on a loue un minivan a la journee par le biais de l'hotel. Le mini bus t'emmene le matin pour le lever du soleil sur les rizieres, tu fais un tour, tu dejeunes, tu visites un village et il te ramene a l'hotel. Il te reprend vers 16H30 pour aller voir le coucher du soleil sur d'autres points de vue. Tu vas voir, ca vaut vraiment l'investissement (bien que je me rappelle plus du tout combien c'etait) ! C'est a mon avis le meilleur moyen, car ils connaissent bien leur parcours et comme tu fais beaucoup de route, tu rentabilises bien le minivan.
Je te conseille pas de le faire a velo, ca monte trop :)
FACILE POUR CHANGER DES EUROS ?
Il faut le faire a la frontiere (Heikou). Il y a des banques et si c'est ferme, tu peux le faire au marche noir a des taux pas forcement interessant mais qui peuvent depanner. Par contre, ca doit etre plus facile de changer des dollars que des euros au marche noir !
Pour Kumning je compte aller à l hotel Camélia .....
Nous aussi, nous y sommes alles, c'etait tres bien !
l'anglais etait il un peu pratiqué ? A jianshui et Yuanyang, personne ne parle anglais mais on arrive toujours a se debrouiller ! A Kunming, tu trouves plus facilement. Par contre, ce n'est pas comme au Vietnam, tu trouveras peu de gens qui parlent anglais.
N'hesite pas si tu as d'autres questions !
Bonjour,
Tu dois être rentré de ton voyage de noël et j'espère que tout c'est bien passé.
Je projète de partir avec ma famille à Yuanyang en février. Pourrais-tu me donner quelques indications sur les hôtels ou guest house du village. Quelle température faisait-il pour nöel?
Je te remercie,
JE NE VIENS QUE DE RENTRER APRES 3 SEMAINES 1/2 D HANOI A HONG KONG
JE SUIS DONC ALLER A YUANGYANG
NS ETIONS A L HOTEL YUNTI 200 RMB ....
TRES BIEN MAIS ACCUEIL UN PEU FROID
IL NE FAISAIT PAS HELAS TRES BEAU ENORMEMENT DE BROUILLARD ON AVAIT PRIS UN CHAUFFEUR PR LA JOURNEE ET ALLER VOIR LES BELLES RISIERES DE LA REGION MAIS IMPOSSIBLE DE VOIR QUELQUE CHOSE TROP DE PUREE DE POIS (200 rmb par personne) ON ETAIT TRES DECUES
par contre nous sommes allés par nous memes dans le village de JINGKOU CA VAUT VRAIMENT LE COUP D Y ALLER
A JIANSHUI NOUS AVONS ADORE L HOTEL DE LA FAMILLE ZHU ET LA VISITE A QQ KMS LA RESIDENCE DE LA FAMILLE ZHANG A TUANSHAN
si tu veux + d infos n hesite pas
a +
sylvie Fargeas
Bonjour Sylvie,
Je te remercie pour tes précisions. L'hôtel Yunti est bien situé dans la vieille ville de Yuanyang, pas dans la nouvelle ville. J'espère que la météo sera plus clémente pour nous. J'ai d'ailleurs prévu 3 jours complets sur place pour les visites des villages environnants avant de descendre à Jinghong.
Encore merci.
Je te remercie pour tes précisions. L'hôtel Yunti est bien situé dans la vieille ville de Yuanyang, pas dans la nouvelle ville. J'espère que la météo sera plus clémente pour nous. J'ai d'ailleurs prévu 3 jours complets sur place pour les visites des villages environnants avant de descendre à Jinghong.
Encore merci.
Je serais interessée par les coordonnées de l''hotel de la famille Zhu, nous partons en chine en juillet et serons 10 jours dans le yunnan Merci pour l'info Sylvie
sylvie
L HOTEL DE LA FAMILLE ZHU GARDEN EST SITUE EN PLEIN COEUR DE LA VILLE DE JANSHUI
JE N AI PLUS LES COORDONNEES MAIS JE VAIS LES AVOIR SS QQ JOURS
L HOTEL EST MAGNIFIQUE
UNE CHAMBRE DOUBLE COUTE 22 € LA NUIT POUR 2 ENTREE DE L HOTEL COMPRIS CAR ON PEUT LE VISITER SANS Y PASSER UNE NUIT
IL N Y A PAS DE PETIT DEJEUNER
ATTENTION UNE SEULE PERSONNE PARLE ANGLAIS
QUAND J Y ETAIS SOIT LE 5 JANVIER L HOTEL ETAIT PRATIQUEMENT VIDE
LA VILLE DE JANSHUI EST SUPERBE ELLE EST EN COURS DE RESTAURATION
J AI BCP AIME AUSSI YUANYANG ET SES RIZIERES MME SI LE BEAU TEMPS N ETAIT PAS AVEC NOUS
A +
SYLVIE
merci pour l'info, à bientôt pour les coordonnées. Nous partons le 7 juillet pour Pekin, en suivant nous irons à Xian puis Kunming nous resterons dans le Yunnan 12 jours environ pour repartir de Chengdu via Toulouse. L'itineraire se précise bien je te recontacterai plus tard pour d'autres renseignement A+ Sylvie
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Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region. After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani? Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Thanks for your tips!
Fred
Starting November 15th, I’ll be arriving in Thailand, and during my stay, I plan to visit the north, around the Chiang Mai area, then head south to the Krabi region. After Krabi, I’m planning to take an overnight train to Bangkok. I was wondering if there’s a train that leaves from Krabi or Trang, or if I absolutely have to go to Surat Thani? Also, which official website can I use to book my ticket?
Next, since I’ll be arriving at dawn in Bangkok, I’ve planned to spend 2 days in Kanchanaburi. What’s the most convenient way to get there—bus or train? And if you know any companies or websites, that’d be great.
Thanks for your tips!
Fred
Hi! I arrive in Vancouver on August 24, 2025, and I’m staying until Friday, August 29, 2025—the day I take *The Canadian* train to Toronto.
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
I’m exploring several things in Vancouver, including whale watching—if you’ve got any great tips, don’t hesitate! Thanks!
Hi there,
Does anyone know if there’s a bus from Luang Namtha to Boten to catch the train coming from China to Vientiane? If so, what’s the name of the company? Also, how long does the bus take to cover that distance? What’s the condition of the road like?
Thanks for your help!
Tom
I just realized there’s only one payment method accepted for booking the Mombasa-Nairobi express train ticket online: M-Pesa, a mobile money transfer service used in Africa. Would it be impossible to book as a European?
Hi
Have any of you booked tickets through rail.ninja?
Hi there,
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
I’d love to know if any of you have recently eaten on the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.
We’ve always ordered food on the train, and it was really good (and super convenient). But in 2022, we ended up feeling like total idiots (with our 4-year-old daughter...) when we boarded the train only to find out that this service was no longer available... (It was the first time we’d traveled right after COVID.)
That’s also when we saw once again how kind Thai people are—they all offered to share their food with us, even though we were mortified. In the end, we managed to buy some instant noodles, which was better than nothing. Anyway, that’s the little story behind it.
In the following years, we’ve always brought our own meals.
I’ve read online that meal trays are back in service (could you confirm this, please?), but that the quality is really poor. I’ve also seen multiple reports that, even though you can eat well everywhere in Thailand, the train meal was the worst food travelers had during their trip...
Could you give me a recent opinion on this? We’ll be departing from Krung Thep Aphiwat Central Station—do you know if there’s anywhere to buy a meal there before boarding the train?
Thanks so much for your help, and have a great Sunday!
Hi there,
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
We’re heading to Thailand in February 2026 and we’d like to take the overnight train from Bangkok to Chiang Mai. Can we book two first-class tickets? I’m only seeing second-class options.
Thanks
Hi everyone,
For traveling in Rajasthan by train and bus, could you give me some info: where to buy tickets, cost, purchase locations, websites, etc.?
Any tips you have would be super helpful.
Thanks
Hi there,
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
We’re traveling to Java on October 23, just the two of us. I’ve read that it’s best to book train tickets in advance on tiket.com. Is that true, and how far ahead do you recommend? Are the tickets changeable?
Thanks for your help!
Nicole
Hi everyone,
I’m planning to travel from Ulaanbaatar to Irkutsk by train this summer but I’m a bit worried about crossing the borders. How does it work? Could anyone share their experience? (I’ve found quite a few accounts of people going *from* Russia *to* Mongolia, but entering a country is never the same as leaving it—especially in this context!)
Thanks in advance! 😊
Thanks in advance! 😊
Hi
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Can anyone tell me how to book train tickets online? We're planning to travel from HANOI to HO CHI MINH CITY by train, making several stops along the way. I'd also like to find the schedules and the stations where the trains stop.
There are four of us, and we've already planned stops in HANOI / DONG HOI / HUE.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Mounette74
Hi everyone,
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
I’m heading to Japan for the second time with my 20-year-old son. During our first trip, we spent two weeks in Tokyo and Kyoto (plus the surrounding areas). This time, we’re planning to stay in Tokyo for at least 4-5 days and then head to the island of Naoshima. I’m looking for suggestions and advice: Is getting to Naoshima from Tokyo complicated? If so, do you have any recommendations for a stopover somewhere? Given that we’d prefer not to move every day, we’d rather settle in one place and then explore on day trips... Do you think it’s possible to do something like this: 5 nights in Tokyo (Shinjuku) 3 nights in Kyoto 2 nights in Naoshima (or is one night enough??) and if one night is enough, where could I spend a second night on the way back to Tokyo? 2 nights in Tokyo (I’d love your advice on staying in a different neighborhood—last time we stayed near Ueno Park)—keeping in mind we’re flying out of Narita.
I’m considering maybe skipping Kyoto, which I love but has apparently become *very* touristy... Not really keen on Osaka... since we’ll already have done Tokyo as our "big city." I’d prefer towns where nature is present... (a bit like Kyoto, which offers all that...)
For info, we’ll be traveling by train. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions and help!
I have one last little question: Is cash still widely used in Japan, or not at all anymore?
Thanks so much,
Karine
Hi everyone,
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)
We’re planning this *very* last-minute—I know! But we’d love to spend 4 days soon (within the next 10–12 days) on a city getaway with our young adult kids. Ideally by train, and for this short trip, we’d prefer not to spend more than 4–6 hours in transit, leaving from Lausanne (Switzerland). We’ve been considering Milan, Strasbourg, or Freiburg im Breisgau, but I’ll admit I’m feeling a bit lost...
Venice was our original plan, but the connection changes in Domodossola or Milan are making the travel time longer this year.
It’s peak summer, so there’ll be tourists and it’ll likely be hot, but oh well...
Any suggestions? We love wandering around, taking photos, exploring cities on foot, trying out restaurants, and keeping things low-key.
Thanks to anyone who wants to chime in! :o)