Bonjour,
Nous sommes en couple sans enfant et nous preparons un voyage dans l'ouest des etats unis (depart de 15 septembre (rien n'est réservé donc la date peut varier))
Nous avons prevu de louer une voiture
Pourriez-vous me donner votre avis sur ce parcours (a lire les commentaires fait dans les autres posts, je me demande si on ne cherche pas a en faire trop):
J0 Arrivée Avion Los Angeles
N0 Los Angeles Hôtel
J1 Los Angeles Universal Studios
N1 Los Angeles Hôtel
J2 Los Angeles Walk of fame, Grauman's Chines Theater, Griffith park, Sunset strip (Sunset Blvd de Downtown a Beverly Hills), lettres Hollywood, Hollywood & Highland Entertainment Center (Kodak theater)
N2 Los Angeles Hôtel
J3 Los Angeles Beverly Hills - Rodeo Drive, Santa Monica : 3rd street promenade + bord de mer
N3 Entre Ventura et Santa Barbara Hôtel
J4 Départ pour Monterey 345 miles / 540 km 5h45, Passer par la cote (De San Simeon a Monterey), Visite Hearst Castle State Historic Monument, Visite de Big Sur
N4 Monterey Hôtel
J5 Monterey à San Francisco 188 km / 121 miles 2h, sur la route : la Sun Valley
J5 SanFrancisco 49 Miles Scenic Road :City Hall, Coit Tower, Golden Gate Bridge, Palace of fine art, Cable Car climbing Nob Hill, The Conservatory of Flowers, Bay Bridge, Chinatown…
N5 San Francisco Hôtel
J6 San Francisco Sausalito (House Boat (sur Richardson Bay))On continue la visite
N6 San Francisco Hôtel
J7 Visite San Francisco (Alcatraz...)
J7 San Francisco à Mariposa 281 km 167 miles 3h10
N7 Mariposa Hôtel
J8 Mariposa à Yosemite National Park visite 42 miles 1h05
J8 Rando Yosemite National Park
J8 en route pour Etheda: 169 miles 250 km 3h12
N8 Etheda springs Hôtel
J9 Etheda springs à King Canyon 44 miles 1H50
J9 Rando King canyon
J9 King Canyon à Etheda springs 44 miles 1H50
N9 Etheda springs Hôtel
J10 Etheda springs à Sequoia Park 13 miles 21km 20 min
J10 Rando Sequoia Park
J10 Sequoia Park à Three Rivers 26 miles 42km 0h50
N10 Three Rivers Hôtel
J11 Three Rivers à Death Valley 336 miles 537 km environ 6h30
N11 Death Valley Hôtel Paramint?
J12 Death Valley
J12 Death Valley à Las Vegas Dante's View, Zabriskie Point (ombre au lever et coucher du soleil) 134 miles 210 km environ 2h30
N12 Las Vegas Hôtel
J13 Las Vegas Visite
N13 Las Vegas Casinos + Hôtel
J14 Las Vegas Visite
J14 De Las Vegas à Valley of Fire 51, 5 miles 82 km 53 min
J14 Valley of Fire à St George Trajet 68, 2 miles 1h00
N14 St George Hôtel
J15 St George à Zion National Park Trajet 43, 6 miles 1h00
J15 Rando Zion
J15 Zion National Park à Bryce Canyon Trajet 76 miles 120 km 1h40
N15 Bryce Canyon Hôtel
J16 Bryce Canyon Rando
N16 Bryce Canyon Hôtel
J17 Bryce Canyon Ballade
J17 Bryce Canyon à Torrey Trajet 114 miles 190 km 3h00
N17 Torrey Hôtel
J18 Torrey à Moab Trajet 145 miles 250 km 3h10
J18 Arches National Park
J18 En route pour l'hotel à Moab
N18 Moab Hôtel
J19 Canyonland National Park
N19 Moab Hôtel
J20 Moab à Monument Valley Trajet 148 miles / 236 km 2h50
J20 Visite Monument Valley
J20 Monument Valley à Kayenta Trajet 148 miles / 236 km 2h50
N20 Kayenta Hôtel
J21 Kayenta à Grand Canyon Trajet 157 miles / 246 km 3h00
N21 Grand Canyon Hôtel
J22 Balade Grand Canyon
J22 Grand Canyon à Needles -1H00 Trajet 235 miles / 371 km 3h30
J22 Route 66
N22 Needles Hôtel
J23 Needles à Las Vegas 120 miles / 188 km 2h05 - Retour Avion
Hi,
Effectivement quelques symptômes de gourmandise bien compréhensibles.
* Jour 4 - Hearst Castle se visite comme une espèce de parc d'attraction avec des formules précises, celà risque de prendre du temps et difficile à caser dans un trajet d'une journée LA / Monterey, d'autant que plus haut, la Big Sur Coast mérite le coup d'oeil. Par ailleurs, la route est à flan de coteau, donc sinueuse à souhait et assez lente.
* Jour 7, si vous souhaitez visiter Alcatraz avant de filer sur Mariposa, idem, attention aux réservations du ferry le matin (payant, la visite du site est elle gratuite).
* Jour 8, Impossible de visiter Yosemite en une journée + une rando + repartir. On parle d'un parc à l'échelle d'un département là.
* Jour 8 à 11, pourquoi passer par Sequoia, vous en aurez vu à mariposa sur Yosémite, autant prendre la Tioga Pass et récupérer death valley via Bodie etc...
* Jour 14, Valley Of Fire, mouais, avec le temps pourquoi pas, mais vu le rythme de votre trajet, je zappe et file direct sur Zion.
* Jour 15 Zion est assez grand, choisissez bien vôtre rando pour apprécier ce park où vous ne pénétrez que par le biais des navettes (je vous suggère Angel landing pour la rando, mais attention, vertige interdit)
* Jour 16, je vous suggère Peekaboo Loop trail et Navajo loop trail sur bryce
* Jour 19, à la sortie (où l'entrée forcément) de Canyonland, ne pas louper le coucher de soleil sur dead Horse Point State Park.
* Jour 20, super gourmand, vous allez bacler Monument.
* Jour 22, la 66 via la I 40 où via Peach Spring (la vrai).
Needle ??? pour les ghost towns, ou la 66 ?, parceque la 66 via la I40, aucun intéret. Faites la portion entre Seligman et Kingman via Peach Spring, plus authentique à défaut d'un paysage attrayant, c'est histoire de dire j'ai fait un bout de Mother Road quoi.
J'inverserais les visites de Arches NP et Canyonlands NP :
Canyonlands à J18 et Arches à J19.
Bonjour,
J18 est un jour plus long que J19 car peu de route a faire, j'ai cru comprendre que Canyonlands etait plus long a visiter que arches, c'est pour cela que nous avions fait dans ce sens.
Pour quelle raison inverseriez-vous Arches et Canyonland?
J20 Moab à Monument Valley Trajet 148 miles / 236 km 2h50
J20 Visite Monument Valley
J20 Monument Valley à Kayenta Trajet 148 miles / 236 km 2h50
N20 Kayenta Hôtel
Merci pour votre aide
Bonjour,
A moins que Kayenta ait été récemment téléporté ailleurs (😛), elle se situe à 40 km (~30min) de MV. Tu as copier-coller à la sauvage 😉
Ca laisse donc beaucoup de temps pour MV, sachant qu'il faut y consacrer 2h/2h30 pour la piste, en fin de journée pour le coucher.
En descendant de Moab, tu peux faire Valley of the gods pour te mettre en bouche
Pour moi, J4 et J5 ne vont pas du tout.
Los Angeles - Monterey, c'est une trotte, a fortiori si vous voulez profiter de Big Sur et de Hearst Castle.
Ensuite, J5, la route entre Monterey et San Francisco est très jolie : ça va faire short de la faire et de visiter en plus tout ce que vous avez prévu à SF. Finalement, vous n'avez qu'un jour plein à SF, ce n'est pas beaucoup...
Je passe sur la partie Yosemite> Las Vegas. Je connais les endroits mais je ne les ai pas enchaînés donc difficile de commenter. Ca me semble un peu "long", cependant.
Pour le circuit dans les parcs, je trouve ça plutôt bien vu pour ma part, excepté l'arrêt à Needles, inutile.
Circuit dans l'Ouest : http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2744058
Floride-Louisiane : http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=3536861
Une semaine à New York : http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=4550454
New York, again http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=5593646
Voici un nouvel itinairaire tenant compte de vos remarques (pertinantes)
J0 Arrivée Avion Los Angeles
N0 Los Angeles Hôtel
J1 Los Angeles Universal Studios
N1 Los Angeles Hôtel
J2 Los Angeles Walk of fame, Grauman's Chines Theater, Griffith park, Sunset strip (Sunset Blvd de Downtown a Beverly Hills), lettres Hollywood, Hollywood & Highland Entertainment Center (Kodak theater)
N2 Los Angeles Hôtel
J3 Los Angeles Beverly Hills - Rodeo Drive, Santa Monica : 3rd street promenade + bord de mer J3 Los Angeles à Cambria 233 miles 372 km 4H05
N3 Cambria
J4 Départ pour Monterey 102 miles / 163 km 2h35, par la cote (De San Simeon a Monterey), Visite Hearst Castle State Historic Monument, Visite de Big Sur
N4 Monterey Hôtel
J5 Monterey à San Francisco 188 km / 121 miles 2h, sur la route : la Sun Valley
J5 SanFrancisco 49 Miles Scenic Road :City Hall, Coit Tower, Golden Gate Bridge, Palace of fine art, Cable Car climbing Nob Hill, The Conservatory of Flowers, Bay Bridge, Chinatown…
N5 San Francisco Hôtel
J6 San Francisco Sausalito (House Boat (sur Richardson Bay)), visite Alcatraz N6 San Francisco Hôtel
J7 Visite San Francisco On continue la visite
J7 San Francisco à Mariposa 281 km 167 miles 3h10
N7 Mariposa Hôtel
J8 Mariposa à Yosemite National Park visite 42 miles 1h05
J8 Rando Yosemite National Park
J8 en route pour Etheda: 169 miles 250 km 3h12
N8 Etheda springs Hôtel
J9 Etheda springs à King Canyon 44 miles 1H50
J9 Rando King canyon
J9 King Canyon à Etheda springs 44 miles 1H50
N9 Etheda springs Hôtel
J10 Etheda springs à Sequoia Park 13 miles 21km 20 min
J10 Rando Sequoia Park
J10 Sequoia Park à Three Rivers 26 miles 42km 0h50
N10 Three Rivers Hôtel
J11 Three Rivers à Death Valley 336 miles 537 km environ 6h30
N11 Death Valley Hôtel Paramint?
J12 Death Valley
J12 Death Valley à Las Vegas Dante's View, Zabriskie Point (ombre au lever et coucher du soleil) 134 miles 210 km environ 2h30
N12 Las Vegas Hôtel
J13 Las Vegas Visite
N13 Las Vegas Casinos + Hôtel
J14 Las Vegas Visite
J14 De Las Vegas à Valley of Fire 51, 5 miles 82 km 53 min
J14 Valley of Fire à St George Trajet 68, 2 miles 1h00
N14 St George Hôtel
J15 St George à Zion National Park Trajet 43, 6 miles 1h00
J15 Rando Zion
J15 Zion National Park à Bryce Canyon Trajet 76 miles 120 km 1h40
N15 Bryce Canyon Hôtel
J16 Bryce Canyon Rando
N16 Bryce Canyon Hôtel
J17 Bryce Canyon Ballade
J17 Bryce Canyon à Torrey Trajet 114 miles 190 km 3h00
N17 Torrey Hôtel
J18 Torrey à Moab Trajet 145 miles 250 km 3h10
J18 Arches National Park
J18 En route pour l'hotel à Moab
N18 Moab Hôtel
J19 Canyonland National Park
N19 Moab Hôtel
J20 Moab à Monument Valley Trajet 148 miles / 236 km 2h50 via Valley of gods + GooseNeck
J20 Visite Monument Valley
J20 Monument Valley à Kayenta Trajet 148 miles / 236 km 2h50
N20 Kayenta Hôtel
J21 Kayenta à Grand Canyon Trajet 157 miles / 246 km 3h00
N21 Grand Canyon Hôtel
J22 Balade Grand Canyon
J22 Grand Canyon à Kingman Trajet 188 miles / 300 km 3h50 via Route 66 - La vrai via Peach Springs
N22 Kingman Hôtel
J23 Kingman à Las Vegas 120 miles / 188 km 2h05 - Retour Avion
Jour 8, Impossible de visiter Yosemite en une journée + une rando + repartir. On parle d'un parc à l'échelle d'un département là.
* Jour 8 à 11, pourquoi passer par Sequoia, vous en aurez vu à mariposa sur Yosémite, autant prendre la Tioga Pass et récupérer death valley via Bodie etc...
* Jour 14, Valley Of Fire, mouais, avec le temps pourquoi pas, mais vu le rythme de votre trajet, je zappe et file direct sur Zion.
Nous avions souhaité passer par Sequoia pour éviter la Tioga pass car nous pensons qu'il y a un fort risque de neige et il y aura le probleme de trouver des chaines pour la voiture (je ne pense pas que les loueurs en pretent?). Pour Valley of Fire, effectivement, ce n'est qu'un point de passage sur la route, l'essentiel de J14 reste la visite de Las Vegas ;-)
A moins que Kayenta ait été récemment téléporté ailleurs (😛), elle se situe à 40 km (~30min) de MV. Tu as copier-coller à la sauvage 😉
Ca laisse donc beaucoup de temps pour MV, sachant qu'il faut y consacrer 2h/2h30 pour la piste, en fin de journée pour le coucher.
En descendant de Moab, tu peux faire Valley of the gods pour te mettre en bouche
Effectivement erreur de copier/coller 😛 Pour monument valley, effectivement nous n'aurons pas enormement de temps surtout si on ajoute Valley of gods... Pensez-vous que les 2 soient jouable dans la meme journee? Style: 3H30 de Liaison + 3H00 Valley of Gods + 3H30 Monument Valley...
Ensuite, J5, la route entre Monterey et San Francisco est très jolie : ça va faire short de la faire et de visiter en plus tout ce que vous avez prévu à SF. Finalement, vous n'avez qu'un jour plein à SF, ce n'est pas beaucoup...
Si on trouve une solution "sans risques" (probleme de chaine) pour la tioga pass, nous pourrons envisager l'ajout d'une journé à SF et une autre à Yosemite (remplacement journee Kings Canyon + Sequoia), Nous serons a Yosemite fin Septembre, savez-vous quelle temperature il fait (il me semble que Sequoia et Kings Canyon ont des temperature plus clementes)
* Jour 22, la 66 via la I 40 où via Peach Spring (la vrai).
Needle ??? pour les ghost towns, ou la 66 ?, parceque la 66 via la I40, aucun intéret. Faites la portion entre Seligman et Kingman via Peach Spring, plus authentique à défaut d'un paysage attrayant, c'est histoire de dire j'ai fait un bout de Mother Road quoi.
Effectivement nous avons changer pour dormir a Kingman plutot que Needles bonne idée merci Merci a tous pour vos reponses tres rapides
La Tioga fermée en septembre ??????? Parle pas de malheur, j'y passe à ce moment-là !!!!
Je suis de l'avis de hillbilly : zappe King Canyon & Sequoia park (tu gagnes ainsi un jour à consacrer de plus à Yosemite). Ce qui pourrait te donner :
J8 : Yosemite (partie Sud avec Mariposa Grove + glacier point)
J9 : Yosemite et sortie par la Tioga Rd. Nuit à Lee vining
J10 : Bodie (2h), Mono Lake (1h) et éventuellement un arrêt à Mammoth Lakes (si Madame veut du Ralph Lauren...😏). Nuit à Lone Pine
et tu retombes sur Death Valley le J11.
Quant à J20 : Moab - Valley of the Gods : 205 km - 3h30. Valley of the Gods est une route de 17 miles qui prend environ 1h30 avec les arrêts photos et non pas 3h30. Si tu as quitté Moab vers 8h00 il devrait être dans les 13h00/13h30. Tu es largement dans les temps.
Tu peux même faire un saut à Muley Point Overlook par la Mokee Dugway et à Gossenecks park (un seul point de vue) avant MV.
Perso, je trouve que la visite de Arches NP est plus longue que celle de Canyonlands (Island in the Sky).
Les randonnées dans Canyonlands (IitS) sont assez courte et les potins de vue accessible rapidement à partir des parkings.
Arches, au contraire, possède plus de randonnées, et plus longues (et plus difficile). Pour faire les randos de DFelicate Arch, Devils Garden et quelques autres, il vous faudra bien une journée complète.
De la neige et utiliser des chaînes en septembre ! 😮😮😮 Ne craignez rien 😉
Pour la journée Moab - Monument Valley, aucun souci. Je pense que votre erreur de copier/coller a justement pu induire en erreur sur le nombre de km de la journée 😉
Circuit dans l'Ouest : http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=2744058
Floride-Louisiane : http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=3536861
Une semaine à New York : http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=4550454
New York, again http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=5593646
J'ai tendance à penser comme Domm63, CanyonLand, en rando, il n'y a pas enormement. La ou ca peut etre long, c'est de prendre une formule 4x4 pour visiter les needles. Sinon, 1 journée suffit largement.
Arches, tu as de quoi faire pour une bonne journée egalement, et pour moi, ca decoiffe plus. Bien sur, si tu decides de ne faire que les petits trails pour les photos au pied des arches visibles de la route, cela va vite.
Mais il y a des ballades vraiment sympa, du coté de Landscape Arche, and Co, sans oublier Delicate Arch.
Tu as une possibilité de tout faire mais avec un peu plus de borne:
J18 Torrey à Moab Trajet 145 miles 250 km 3h10 Il faut partir tot si possible.
J18 Arches National Park
J18 En route pour l'hotel à Moab
N18 Moab Hôtel
J19 Canyonland National Park Le matin, continuer la visite de Arches, puis en debut d'apres midi, vois la partie nord de canyonLand ( Differents points de vue de Island in the sky)
N19 Moab Hôtel
J20 Moab à Monument Valley Trajet 148 miles / 236 km 2h50 via Valley of gods + GooseNeck Le matin visite de la partie Needles c'est sur votre route vers MV, là il y a quelques randos à faire. Puis en millieu de journée, partir pour viser une arrivée vers 16h à MV. Vous ne ferez pas Valley of God ( qui est un petit MV sans les touristes), mais vous verrez les Needles.
J20 Visite Monument Valley
J20 Monument Valley à Kayenta Trajet 148 miles / 236 km 2h50
N20 Kayenta Hôtel
Bonne route
Il n'y a que deux façons de vivre sa vie : l'une en faisant comme si rien n'était un miracle, l'autre comme si tout était un miracle.
Bonjour,
quelques infos, en vrac : si vous n'êtes pas rebutés par le camping, il y a la solution (à 2) d'un "gros" 4*4 et de dormir dedans (quelques nuits à l'hôtel pour se délasser 😉). si 4*4 ou location de 4*4 à Moab, faire à Island in the Sky la descente de la Shafer Trail + Musselman Arche si vous faites Canyonland-the needdles, faire la rando "Chessler Park overlook" (3.5 à 4h)
Voici un nouvel itinairaire tenant compte de vos remarques
J0 Arrivée Avion Los Angeles
N0 Los Angeles Hôtel
J1 Los Angeles Universal Studios
N1 Los Angeles Hôtel
J2 Los Angeles Walk of fame, Grauman's Chines Theater, Griffith park, Sunset strip (Sunset Blvd de Downtown a Beverly Hills), lettres Hollywood, Hollywood & Highland Entertainment Center (Kodak theater)
N2 Los Angeles Hôtel
J3 Los Angeles Beverly Hills - Rodeo Drive, Santa Monica : 3rd street promenade + bord de mer J3 Los Angeles à Cambria 233 miles 372 km 4H05
N3 Cambria
J4 Départ pour Monterey 102 miles / 163 km 2h35, par la cote (De San Simeon a Monterey), Visite Hearst Castle State Historic Monument, Visite de Big Sur
N4 Monterey Hôtel
J5 Monterey à San Francisco 188 km / 121 miles 2h, sur la route : la Sun Valley
J5 SanFrancisco 49 Miles Scenic Road :City Hall, Coit Tower, Golden Gate Bridge, Palace of fine art, Cable Car climbing Nob Hill, The Conservatory of Flowers, Bay Bridge, Chinatown…
N5 San Francisco Hôtel
J6 San Francisco Sausalito (House Boat (sur Richardson Bay)), visite Alcatraz N6 San Francisco Hôtel
J7 Visite San Francisco On continue la visite
J7 San Francisco à Mariposa 281 km 167 miles 3h10
N7 Mariposa Hôtel
J8 Mariposa à Yosemite National Park visite 42 miles 1h05
J8 Rando Yosemite National Park
J8 en route pour Etheda: 169 miles 250 km 3h12
N8 Etheda springs Hôtel
J9 Etheda springs à King Canyon 44 miles 1H50
J9 Rando King canyon
J9 King Canyon à Etheda springs 44 miles 1H50
N9 Etheda springs Hôtel
J10 Etheda springs à Sequoia Park 13 miles 21km 20 min
J10 Rando Sequoia Park
J10 Sequoia Park à Three Rivers 26 miles 42km 0h50
N10 Three Rivers Hôtel
J11 Three Rivers à Death Valley 336 miles 537 km environ 6h30
N11 Death Valley Hôtel Paramint?
J12 Death Valley
J12 Death Valley à Las Vegas Dante's View, Zabriskie Point (ombre au lever et coucher du soleil) 134 miles 210 km environ 2h30
N12 Las Vegas Hôtel
J13 Las Vegas Visite
N13 Las Vegas Casinos + Hôtel
J14 Las Vegas Visite
J14 De Las Vegas à Valley of Fire 51, 5 miles 82 km 53 min
J14 Valley of Fire à St George Trajet 68, 2 miles 1h00
N14 St George Hôtel
J15 St George à Zion National Park Trajet 43, 6 miles 1h00
J15 Rando Zion
J15 Zion National Park à Bryce Canyon Trajet 76 miles 120 km 1h40
N15 Bryce Canyon Hôtel
J16 Bryce Canyon Rando
N16 Bryce Canyon Hôtel
J17 Bryce Canyon Ballade
J17 Bryce Canyon à Torrey Trajet 114 miles 190 km 3h00
N17 Torrey Hôtel
J18 Torrey à Moab Trajet 145 miles 250 km 3h10
J18 Canyonlands - Island in the sky
J18 En route pour l'hotel à Moab
N18 Moab Hôtel
J19 Arches National Park
N19 Moab Hôtel
J20 Moad a Canyonland National Park Needles 76mi – 2H13
J20 Canyonland National Park Needles
J20 Canyonland National Park Needles & Monticello 57mi – 1h46
N20
J21 Monticello à Monument Valley Trajet 100 miles / 160 km 2h00 via Valley of gods(+2H) + GooseNeck(+30mn)
J21 Visite Monument Valley
J21 Monument Valley à Kayenta Trajet 25 miles / 41, 2 km 31 min
N21 Kayenta Hôtel
J22 Kayenta à Grand Canyon Trajet 157 miles / 246 km 3h00
N22 Grand Canyon Hôtel
J23 Balade Grand Canyon
J23 Grand Canyon à Kingman Trajet 188 miles / 300 km 3h50 via Route 66 - La vrai via Peach Springs
N23 Kingman Hôtel
J24 Kingman à Las Vegas 120 miles / 188 km 2h05 - Retour Avion
J0 = 15/09/2009
J24 = 09/10/2009
Nous avons donc decidé d'ajouter une journée pour pouvoir faire Canyonland National Park - Needles + Island in the sky + Valley of gods(+2H) + GooseNeck et être moins pressé par le temps
Je pense que nous avons ainsi pris en compte toutes vos remarques. Que pensez-vous maintenant de ce trajet? pouvons-nous nous lancer dans les reservations? encore merci pour votre aide.
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Hello! The itinerary is pretty much set for August 2026. Yeah, I know it’s gonna be *super* hot. But it’s the only time we can get away.
So, here’s the plan: Montpellier-CDG-Dallas.
Stay from July 31 to August 26, 2026:
Car rental – check,
Hotels – check,
Itinerary – almost check,
Photo gear – check,
Budget – check, 🤪
Meal planning – meh, we’ll see...
Walmart, of course, for the cooler when we arrive.
And now, without too much detail...
Fort Worth:
The Longhorns and the Stockyards;
JR’s ranch (for the missus);
Medal of Honor Museum – Arlington.
Houston and NASA Space Center:
See the Gulf of Mexico/America.
San Antonio and the missions.
Fort Stockton for an overnight stop.
El Paso via Guadalupe Mountains:
El Paso and White Sands.
Tucson and the Pima Air & Space Museum:
Tombstone, Bisbee.
Phoenix:
Still working on the program.
Sedona:
Round trip around the area via Flagstaff and Williams, or the Grand Canyon (already done) – we’ll decide on the spot.
Albuquerque:
Santa Fe,
Turquoise Trail,
Los Alamos.
Amarillo via Route 66:
Old Route 66 in the city;
Big Texas Ranch Steak 😏.
Dallas:
JFK Museum;
Perot Museum;
West End district.
And through it all – the road, the road, and more road!!!
We’ll adapt day by day based on our mental and physical state (we’re not exactly spring chickens).
Hello everyone! Really damaged due to flooding caused by runoff after forest fires (a total mess!), does anyone in this friendly forum have any updates on the Apache Trail between Apache Junction and Roosevelt Dam? Is there still a section of the road that’s tough to navigate?
We're leaving at the end of June and will be driving the route between Buffalo and Cody. We’ve already booked our accommodations and a rodeo in Cody, but during the day, we’ll be driving between the two and I’m unsure about the itinerary.
Which route do you think is the most pleasant, interesting, or scenic between:
- The northern route via Highway 14 with Sheridan, Lowell, etc.
- The southern route with Highways 16/20/14, passing by Loaf Mountain Overlook, Powder River Pass, Ten Sleep Canyon...
We’ll be in a car, so we should be able to drive on any road.
Thanks for your input!
I’m almost done planning our September road trip. After our 3-night visit to Sequoia, we’ll have a stopover night in Coalinga (to break up the drive). We’ll be staying two nights in Monterey and would like to stop along the way to visit one side of Pinnacles National Park. We’re torn between the West entrance and the East entrance, and we’d like to do a short hike of no more than 2 hours since we don’t want to arrive too late in Monterey.
This park is split into two distinct zones with no connection between them, and the mileage from Coalinga to Monterey is pretty much the same for both. Which area do you recommend visiting—east or west? And which route is the most scenic?
I’ve spotted two short hikes:
- East: Moses Spring to Rim Trail Loop
- West: Balconies Cliffs Cave Loop
Has anyone been there, or do you have another hike to suggest?
Thanks in advance, and have a great afternoon!
Marcalamar 🙂
After our first trip as a young couple to the West in 2007 (yes, that doesn’t make us any younger!), we’re planning to go back in 2028, but this time as a family of four! (We have two boys who’ll be 5½ and 13 years old in the summer of 2028.)
Our plan is to combine a few big cities (SF and LA, maybe San Diego) with national parks and state parks, mostly!
Ideally, we’d like to leave at the end of June and head back to France around July 19–20, so we can enjoy the first week of the Olympic Games in Los Angeles.
Since we already did the "loop" in 2007, there are must-see places we absolutely want to revisit—and especially share with our kids: Bryce Canyon, Yosemite, and above all, the Grand Canyon, which is still the most incredible thing I’ve ever seen on Earth!
On the other hand, some places didn’t leave a big impression on us for various reasons, so we’re not making them a priority: Antelope Canyon, Monument Valley, for example.
We’re planning ahead, but might as well be smart about it😏
Do you have any tips for a fun and doable itinerary over about 20–25 days with kids, without rushing?
Hi everyone! 🙂
Just a quick question about King Canyon and Sequoia National Park.
Before our night in Miramonte, we plan to visit King Canyon. The next stop will be two nights in Three Rivers to explore Sequoia National Park. I wanted to go all the way to Roaring River Falls on the King Canyon Scenic Byway and then turn back to head to Miramonte. Since we’re coming from Oakhurst, Google Maps says it’s 300 km and 5 hours of driving. Since we also want to hike to see the sequoias (Big Stump Area and Grand Grove) before tackling the King Canyon Scenic Byway, the timing’s going to be tight. How far do you recommend going before turning back to miss as few points of interest as possible on the King Canyon Scenic Byway? Thanks for your advice, and have a great evening!
Marcalamar 🙂
Hi everyone!
After years of hoping, waiting, planning, then changing, saving, and searching for the best possible route... we're FINALLY off this summer for a 5-week road trip in the West.
I had planned a trip to Colorado in 2021 but canceled due to COVID, so with time passing and my eldest’s high school graduation approaching fast, I figured it was now or never!
Anyway, the itinerary has been modified and extended to please everyone (I’m no longer the only one making decisions!!)
Here’s our final route:
Day 1 - 7/12/2026 - Brussels / Los Angeles
Day 2 - 7/13/2026 - Los Angeles
Day 3 - 7/14/2026 - Los Angeles
Day 4 - 7/15/2026 - Los Angeles
Day 5 - 7/16/2026 - Los Angeles
Day 6 - 7/17/2026 - Los Angeles / Kingman
Day 7 - 7/18/2026 - Kingman / Grand Canyon
Day 8 - 7/19/2026 - Grand Canyon / Page
Day 9 - 7/20/2026 - Page
Day 10 - 7/21/2026 - Page / Monument Valley
Day 11 - 7/22/2026 - Monument Valley / Durango
Day 12 - 7/23/2026 - Durango
Day 13 - 7/24/2026 - Durango
Day 14 - 7/25/2026 - Durango
Day 15 - 7/26/2026 - Durango / Glenwood Springs
Day 16 - 7/27/2026 - Glenwood Springs
Day 17 - 7/28/2026 - Glenwood Springs / Moab
Day 18 - 7/29/2026 - Moab
Day 19 - 7/30/2026 - Moab
Day 20 - 7/31/2026 - Moab
Day 21 - 8/1/2026 - Moab
Day 22 - 8/2/2026 - Moab / Vernal
Day 23 - 8/3/2026 - Vernal / Grand Teton
Day 24 - 8/4/2026 - Grand Teton
Day 25 - 8/5/2026 - Grand Teton / Cody
Day 26 - 8/6/2026 - Cody / Yellowstone
Day 27 - 8/7/2026 - Yellowstone
Day 28 - 8/8/2026 - Yellowstone
Day 29 - 8/9/2026 - Yellowstone
Day 30 - 8/10/2026 - Yellowstone / Salt Lake City
Day 31 - 8/11/2026 - Salt Lake City / Bryce Canyon
Day 32 - 8/12/2026 - Bryce Canyon / Zion
Day 33 - 8/13/2026 - Zion
Day 34 - 8/14/2026 - Zion
Day 35 - 8/15/2026 - Zion / Las Vegas
Day 36 - 8/16/2026 - Las Vegas
Day 37 - 8/17/2026 - Las Vegas / Los Angeles
Day 38 - 8/18/2026 - Los Angeles
Day 39 - 8/19/2026 - Los Angeles / Brussels
Day 40 - 8/20/2026 - Brussels / Home
We’ll be alternating between house swaps, motels, and campgrounds. I’ve booked all the accommodations (except the campground at Bryce since sunset bookings open only 14 days in advance) and the first activities, as well as the most touristy ones.
I’m currently putting together my day-by-day roadbook and having some trouble planning certain days, like in LA or Las Vegas. Choosing hikes isn’t easy either—it’s tough to decide!
We’re really excited but could definitely use your help with choices and optimizations!!
Hello.
I’d like to travel along I-15N from San Diego to Las Vegas with my mom, who’s 67. We’ve explored Northern California and the California Coast over the past two years and now want to continue through the desert.
There are several attractions along the way:
- Mormon Rocks
- Desert Discovery Center and visit the Old Woman meteorite
- Joshua Tree National Park
- Mojave Desert
- Mojave National Preserve
- Anza-Borrego Desert State Park
- Silverwood Lake
My mom has back issues that prevent her from hiking or walking on trails with elevation changes. Is it possible to visit these places by car, or are the routes flat enough?
I’d love for her to experience the desert with an itinerary adapted to her condition. I’m also open to other points of interest that aren’t mentioned. We have 3-4 days for the trip, so we’re not in a rush—just want to explore.
I’d love to take a road trip and visit Nova Scotia. I’d appreciate some info on the best cities to see and the most interesting spots. The trip should last about 10 to 15 days, staying in hotels or motels. Thanks in advance!
We’re being relocated to Saint Pierre and Miquelon.
We’ll be taking the flight from Nantes to Montreal and then from Montreal to Saint Pierre.
Could you recommend a hotel near the departure terminal that allows dogs?
Hi,
My 16-year-old son is flying to Grand Rapids with other kids his age. There’s a layover in Detroit. There’s no unaccompanied minor service available. Is it pretty easy to navigate Detroit Airport to catch the connecting flight to Grand Rapids (domestic flight)? There are several of them who speak English well.
Thanks for your replies,
Good evening, everyone! 🙂
Just a few last questions to wrap up our Lake Tahoe visit plans.
**Parking:**
We’d like to walk to Eagle Falls and then Eagle Lake. I’ve spotted two parking lots that seem close to each other and give access to the trailhead. Where and how do we pay for entry to Emerald Bay State Park and Inspiration Point?
**Viewpoints on the East Side:**
Are most of the viewpoints (Balancing Rock, Granite Cave, Bonsai Rock, etc.) right by the road, or do you have to hike to reach them?
**Donner Memorial State Park:**
Is it worth making a detour to Truckee to visit this park and the Truckee historic downtown?
Hi there. I'm shocked by the price of the Upper Antelope Canyon tour—$175 for less than an hour… You might say, "if you can’t afford it…" But the real question is whether it’s really worth it, because $350 for two makes me feel like I’m getting ripped off. For those who’ve done both Lower and Upper, can you tell me if the price difference is really justified? Thanks
Hi everyone! 🙂
As you can see, we're heading back from September 6th to the 27th.
Everything’s booked for September—flights, accommodations, and the car. As I plan, I’ll be asking the experts for help. This is our second trip to California, but most of the stops are new to us.
We’ll start directly from San Francisco to our first overnight stop, Davis, before heading to Lassen Volcanic Park for 4 nights. Our flight lands at 12:50 PM.
Here’s our itinerary:
Day 1: Davis – overnight stop
Day 2: Red Bluff – exploring Lassen Volcanic Park (scenic drive to Lake Helen)
Day 3: Susanville – scenic drive through the park via the South Entrance, points of interest, and hikes
Day 4: Susanville – Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes hike
Day 5: Susanville – Warner Valley (hikes)
Day 6: South Lake Tahoe
Day 7: South Lake Tahoe
Day 8: Mammoth Lake
Day 9: Mammoth Lake
Day 10: El Portal via Tioga Road
Day 11: El Portal
Day 12: El Portal
Day 13: Oakhurst
Day 14: Miramonte
Day 15: Three Rivers
Day 16: Three Rivers
Day 17: Coalinga
Day 18: Monterey
Day 19: Monterey
Day 20: San Francisco
Day 21: San Francisco
Day 22: Departure
For hikes in Lassen Volcanic Park, I’ve planned:
Bumpass Hell, Cold Boiling Lake (Day 2)
Paradise Meadow (maybe not going all the way), Devastated Area, and the loop around Reflection and Manzanita Lakes (Day 3)
Cinder Cone and Painted Dunes (Day 4)
Devil’s Kitchen and Boiling Spring Lake (Day 5)
I’ve read there are trails to access the trailheads for Cinder Cone (11 km) and Warner Valley. Are these easy trails for an SUV?
Are there any other must-see spots or things we shouldn’t miss?
That’s where I’m at for now. Thanks for your replies, and have a great evening!
Marcalamar 🙂
I’m a total USA addict. I’ve already done several road trips, including the East Coast and West Coast.
I’m here today because I’m planning to go back for another road trip on the West Coast. Possibly with one of my sisters and a couple of friends. It’s still just a plan for now, but I’m working on an itinerary in the meantime. Ideally, I’d leave in 2026, but I don’t have the exact dates yet—maybe April-May or September-October.
My last trip to the West Coast was in September 2014. We went for 2 weeks, but this time it’d be 3 weeks. What made me want to go back was simply a colleague who just left today. As I’m writing this, he’s on the plane. I’m so happy for him, but now all I can think about is going back.
Since I recently went to NY, I noticed that prices have really gone up. I assume the same is true for the West Coast? For 2 people over 3 weeks, what budget should I expect? We’re the type to watch our spending and find great tips.
I think we’ll arrive in San Francisco like the first time and leave from either Los Angeles or Las Vegas.
Thanks for advising me on the booking—should I reserve a room in the hotel or go for a cabin for the best view?
Should I get breakfast or not?
What do you think of the restaurant?
Hello, if the off-the-beaten-path enthusiasts are still around 😉, I’d love some info on tackling these trails. I’m not super familiar with the rules, risks, or what to expect—I’m looking for firsthand experience from folks who’ve done it on their own once or multiple times.
Hi everyone!
I’m planning a week-long family trip to NYC in October 2026. The focus is on museums and soaking up the New York vibe. I’ve been checking Airbnb, but the prices in Manhattan are through the roof. Since I don’t know NYC well, is it "wise" to look outside Manhattan? Any neighborhoods you’d recommend?
After our first trip to the West, we’d love to go back to see other must-see spots!
The stay would be from May 11 to 20, 2026—it’s short, but hey...
M11: Lyon to Las Vegas (overnight in Vegas)
T12: Route 66 – overnight in Grand Canyon (GC)
W13: Visit GC – overnight in Page
Th14: Visit Antelope Canyon / Horseshoe Bend – overnight in Monument Valley (MV)
F15: Visit MV – overnight in Moab
Sa16: Visit Arches / Dead Horse Point – overnight in Bryce
Su17: Visit Bryce – overnight in Zion
M18: Visit Zion / Valley of Fire – overnight in Vegas
Tu19: Return flight
What do you think? Could we add one more night somewhere? We’re not big hikers, so we’ll mostly explore the parks using shuttles.
Also, we’re all set—passports are good. Do you think one classic Visa card and one premium Visa card will be enough for coverage?
Thanks so much for your feedback, and happy holidays!
Hi North America forum crew,
Just a little post that might interest some of you:
Travelers to the United States | Photo Now Mandatory Upon Entry and Exit | La Presse
I assume many of you already know, but the America the Beautiful annual pass, which was $80, will increase to $250 starting January 1, 2026.
So if you're planning to travel before the end of December 2026, it's in your best interest to buy your pass in December 2025, since it will still cost $80 and be valid until the end of December 2026 if you purchase it in December 2025.
This price increase only applies to non-U.S. residents.
Additionally, for those who planned to visit just one park, a $100 surcharge per person will apply to access a list of 11 national parks...
For example, if there are 4 of you in a car, you’ll have to pay $35 + $400,
which comes to $435 to visit one of the 11 parks on the list (I don’t have all of them... Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, etc.).
Total madness.
The goal is to push people who only visit one park into buying the annual pass.
Last point: free entry days are over for non-residents!
Hi everyone, I’m traveling to Los Angeles and would like to rent a vehicle at the airport. However, I have a Boursobank Ultim deferred debit card, so I’d love to know if it’s possible for those who’ve experienced this recently. Thanks for the info!
I’m planning a week in S.F. in April 2026 and I can’t figure out how to tell the cable cars—of which I understand there are three lines—apart from the trams, which I think number seven. I can’t find their individual numbers or routes anywhere.
Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks in advance.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a wonderful 2026 full of amazing travels.
Cheers,
Régine
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip through the American national parks starting from Denver in June 2026.
The price of the pass is jumping from 80 € to 250 € on January 1st, 2026!!!
Is it possible to buy the pass online before the end of the year to lock in the 80 € rate? If so, where and how do I go about it?
Thanks for your tips.
Arnale
I’m planning a road trip for July 2026 in northern Florida. Could you let me know if my itinerary makes sense?
Day 1: Orlando
Day 2: Amelia Island
Day 3: Amelia Island
Day 4: Tallahassee
Day 5: Panama City Beach
Day 6: Panama City Beach (visit to Destin)
Day 7: Crystal River (stop in Cedar Key on the way)
Day 8: Crystal River
Day 9: Anna Maria (stop in Clearwater)
Day 10: Anna Maria (St. Pete)
Day 11: Anna Maria
Day 12: Orlando
Day 13: Orlando
Day 14: Orlando
Day 15: Departure
We just finished 9 days in the American West and wanted to share our experience because we had an amazing time.
I know some of you might ask, why use an agency? Honestly, we didn’t really feel like doing all the driving and planning, especially since we didn’t know the area at all. And since our English isn’t great, having French-speaking guides was a big comfort.
We found Emmanuelle and Isabelle, and wow, they were fantastic. It was just the two of us with them, so it was a truly VIP, ultra-personalized experience. They treated us like royalty from start to finish. These two live in Las Vegas and know the region like the back of their hand. They told us they’ve spent over 15 years exploring every corner of the American West, and it really shows. Their knowledge of geology, park history, and local anecdotes is just impressive. It’s nothing like someone reciting a memorized script. They answer all your questions and really adapt to what you want to see or do.
What we really loved: the vehicle was super comfortable, and the little details made a difference—like snacks and even a homemade cake! Though, to be fair, we devoured the cake right away, so that counts.
Since they know the sites inside out, they took us at the right times to avoid crowds. So we could enjoy peaceful picnics at Grand Canyon viewpoints without being packed in with 200 people. Plus, on top of the must-see spots, they showed us some hidden gems that were absolutely stunning—places we never would’ve found on our own. They’re true locals who know all the best tips.
The service was really personalized. They adapted to our pace and preferences, and we could stop whenever we wanted to take photos. It’s the luxury of being in a small private group—you’re not just a number on a big bus.
In short, we really felt like we were traveling with friends rather than professional guides. Everything’s included in the price (hotel pickup, meals, park entries, etc.), so the value for money is fair.
We loved it so much that we’re already planning to come back next year to explore other areas with them. I think we’ve caught the American West bug—it’s all we can think about, and we can’t wait to return.
If you’re looking for a French-speaking tour with real personalized service and guides who know the region like no one else, we highly recommend them. We had unforgettable moments. They also design road trips for those who don’t want a guide. And they handled our hotel reservations in Las Vegas too. If you want genuine advice from friendly locals, we’re giving them a 200% recommendation!
I’m currently looking for well-located hotels near points of interest in the cities below. I’ve found a few, but the prices are really high.
Could any of you share some great addresses in the following cities?
- Los Angeles
- Las Vegas
- San Francisco
Also, do you have a preferred airline for domestic flights? If so, which one?
