J'ai prévu cet été (mi juillet) de rallier en vélo, en autonomie, le lac de Constance au lac de Côme par le col du petit Saint Bernard. Quel est son niveau de difficulté, et est ce que je dois prendre des protections particulières contre le froid à cette altitude (vêtements et couchage). Merci de me communiquer votre expérience. Jules
Col du Petit Saint-Bernard à vélo (France-Italie)
by 178jules
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Bonjour,
J'ai prévu cet été (mi juillet) de rallier en vélo, en autonomie, le lac de Constance au lac de Côme par le col du petit Saint Bernard. Quel est son niveau de difficulté, et est ce que je dois prendre des protections particulières contre le froid à cette altitude (vêtements et couchage). Merci de me communiquer votre expérience. Jules
J'ai prévu cet été (mi juillet) de rallier en vélo, en autonomie, le lac de Constance au lac de Côme par le col du petit Saint Bernard. Quel est son niveau de difficulté, et est ce que je dois prendre des protections particulières contre le froid à cette altitude (vêtements et couchage). Merci de me communiquer votre expérience. Jules
"Ne cherche pas à suivre les traces d'un autre, cherche plutôt à savoir ce qu'il cherchait."
Salut Jules,
Si tu montes par le côté français, ce col n'est pas très difficile. Depuis Bourg-St-Maurice, la montée est très longue mais pas très raide. Avant la Rosière, on en viendrait presque à préférer que ça monte un peu plus franchement, à force d'enchaîner des épingles où on se retrouve chaque fois à peine plus haut qu'à la précédente. Le versant italien est je crois plus raide.
Au niveau du climat, il faut être conscient que c'est de la haute montagne, donc on peut avoir même en plein été des conditions très difficiles genre grand froid, neige, grésil, ouragan et j'en passe. Ces conditions "difficiles" peuvent être réellement dangereuses pour quelqu'un d'insuffisamment équipé. Par beau temps, le minimum c'est une petite laine, des gants légers et un coupe-vent pour la descente, voire des pantalons longs. S'il peut faire chaud la journée, les températures redescendent très vite en fin d'après-midi. Par mauvais temps, je dirais qu'il faut disposer d'un équipement complet contre la pluie et des gants d'hiver, parce que la pluie peut être très froide et sera probablement accompagnée de vent. Autre caractéristique de la montagne : le temps change très vite. Tu peux entamer ton ascension sans voir un nuage et te ramasser un orage au sommet. Par très mauvais temps, il vaut probablement mieux attendre un jour ou deux que ça se calme avant de tenter le passage.
Si tu veux passer la nuit au col, prévoir dans tous les cas des habits chauds et un bon sac de couchage, du gel n'est jamais exclu au petit matin.
Je suis peut-être trop alarmiste, mais souvent les gens qui n'ont pas l'expérience de la montagne ne se rendent tout simplement pas compte de ce qui peut se passer quand les choses tournent mal. Bien sûr, un dimanche de beau temps il y aura des dizaines de cyclos sur la route avec juste un coupe-vent dans leur poche arrière. Mais si tu es en voyage, que le temps est "juste pluvieux" au pied du col, et que tu forces le passage sans être suffisamment équipé et en pleine forme, tu pourrais "juste" te retrouver en enfer.
A part ce col, tu comptes passer par où ? Pour aller du lac de Constance au lac de Côme, le St-Bernard n'est pas vraiment sur l'itinéraire direct !
Si tu montes par le côté français, ce col n'est pas très difficile. Depuis Bourg-St-Maurice, la montée est très longue mais pas très raide. Avant la Rosière, on en viendrait presque à préférer que ça monte un peu plus franchement, à force d'enchaîner des épingles où on se retrouve chaque fois à peine plus haut qu'à la précédente. Le versant italien est je crois plus raide.
Au niveau du climat, il faut être conscient que c'est de la haute montagne, donc on peut avoir même en plein été des conditions très difficiles genre grand froid, neige, grésil, ouragan et j'en passe. Ces conditions "difficiles" peuvent être réellement dangereuses pour quelqu'un d'insuffisamment équipé. Par beau temps, le minimum c'est une petite laine, des gants légers et un coupe-vent pour la descente, voire des pantalons longs. S'il peut faire chaud la journée, les températures redescendent très vite en fin d'après-midi. Par mauvais temps, je dirais qu'il faut disposer d'un équipement complet contre la pluie et des gants d'hiver, parce que la pluie peut être très froide et sera probablement accompagnée de vent. Autre caractéristique de la montagne : le temps change très vite. Tu peux entamer ton ascension sans voir un nuage et te ramasser un orage au sommet. Par très mauvais temps, il vaut probablement mieux attendre un jour ou deux que ça se calme avant de tenter le passage.
Si tu veux passer la nuit au col, prévoir dans tous les cas des habits chauds et un bon sac de couchage, du gel n'est jamais exclu au petit matin.
Je suis peut-être trop alarmiste, mais souvent les gens qui n'ont pas l'expérience de la montagne ne se rendent tout simplement pas compte de ce qui peut se passer quand les choses tournent mal. Bien sûr, un dimanche de beau temps il y aura des dizaines de cyclos sur la route avec juste un coupe-vent dans leur poche arrière. Mais si tu es en voyage, que le temps est "juste pluvieux" au pied du col, et que tu forces le passage sans être suffisamment équipé et en pleine forme, tu pourrais "juste" te retrouver en enfer.
A part ce col, tu comptes passer par où ? Pour aller du lac de Constance au lac de Côme, le St-Bernard n'est pas vraiment sur l'itinéraire direct !
Merci de ta réponse,
J'ai peut être fait une erreur de nom, je voulais parler du Passo San Bernardino, situé entre Chur et Bellinzona sur la route des Grisons.
J'ai l'impression que tu m'as répondu en parlant du col du Grand St Bernard qui lui n'est pas sur ma route.
J'ai déjà grimpé plusieurs cols, en France, mais en balade d'une demi journée, jamais avec tout le barda, j'ai un peu d'appréhension.
Bonne soirée
Jules
"Ne cherche pas à suivre les traces d'un autre, cherche plutôt à savoir ce qu'il cherchait."
Le titre du sujet porte à confusion : " Col du Petit St-Bernard ( France-Italie ) . Il y a effectivement un col entre la France et l'Italie ( plus précisément entre Bourg St Maurice et le Val D'Aoste ) qui se nomme Petit St Bernard .
J'ai gravi le San Bernardino en 1982 avec les bagages du Sud vers le Nord , la route suit une autoroute qui grimpe en épingle et la plupart du temps en viaduc ( très fort les suisses!) , c'est très long car le lac Majeure est bas en altitude ( 200m) et le col se situe à 2065m. Je te mets le profil entre Bellinzona et Splugen .
Les conditions de climat sont les mêmes que pour le Petit St Bernard , il faut prévoir pour du très chaud coté Sud et pour du froid et mauvais en haut si le temps se dégrade .
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François
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Bonjour,
merci pour ces renseignements précieux. Pourrais tu allonger le profil sur la droite (en Suisse)
Tu pourrais peut être aussi me dire comment tu as obtenu ce profil, pour me rendre autonome à ce propos.
Si j'ai bien compris, je vais, en Suisse voyager en altitude assez longtemps, d'où la nécessité de prévoir des habits contre le froid dans la journée et la nuit.
Merci beaucoup
Jules
"Ne cherche pas à suivre les traces d'un autre, cherche plutôt à savoir ce qu'il cherchait."
Pour afficher un profil quelque soit les routes /chemins /sentiers, Je procède ainsi :
Sous Google earth utilisation de l'outil "ajouter un trajet" Puis mise en place de mes points ( dans les cols je les place niveau des lacets dans les tournants)
Note : Plus il y en a plus mon profil est précis
Une fois le trajet terminé ... je clique "droit" sur ce trajet et je prends l'option "afficher le profil d'élévation"
Cette méthode à l'avantage de fonctionner sur le hors-piste/chemin 😉
Si on possède un fichier kml ou gpx contenant le trajet, le clic droit pour afficher le profil marche de même !
Sous Google earth utilisation de l'outil "ajouter un trajet" Puis mise en place de mes points ( dans les cols je les place niveau des lacets dans les tournants)
Note : Plus il y en a plus mon profil est précis
Une fois le trajet terminé ... je clique "droit" sur ce trajet et je prends l'option "afficher le profil d'élévation"
Cette méthode à l'avantage de fonctionner sur le hors-piste/chemin 😉
Si on possède un fichier kml ou gpx contenant le trajet, le clic droit pour afficher le profil marche de même !
PT, ROT et VTT
Bonjour Un peu tard pour te faire ça ce soir, je fais ça avec Mapsource ou Basecamp de Garmin mais il faut les cartes Garmin "qui vont bien" avec .
Tu peux obtenir effectivement un profil avec google earth ou aussi sur le site Openrunner en ayant un compte, dans openrunner les % de pentes apparaissent dans le profil .
Fais moi signe si tu veux que je mettes le profil jusqu'à Chur .
Il faut effectivement prévoir des vêtements chauds, c'est la montagne . En 2008 j'ai eu 10 à 15 cm de neige au sommet du Julierpass au dessus de St Moritz le 14 juillet http://cyclophoto.free.fr/...ol/index_contact.htm
Là c'était juste en arrivant au sommet , nous avons vite remis chaussettes chaudes , pantalon, polaire sous le Goretex, gants, bonnet... descente très glaçante malgré les habits chauds😕
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François
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FrançoisGaleries de photos sur l'Islande à vélo:http://cyclophoto.free.fr/
Voyage à vélo en 2017 Asie centrale (Pamir) puis Corée et Japon : http://resilience-a-velo.over-blog.com/
Bonjour,
Merci pour vos 2 participations, j'ai téléchargé Google Earth mais l'accès n'y est pas simple, je vais essayer de trouver un tutoriel en Français pour me dégrossir.
Si Françonet veut bien me mettre le profil jusqu'à Chur, c'est pas pressé, cela me plairait.
Pour résumer, des habits chauds et des couvertures. Et si la météo n'est pas favorable, on attends ou on passe en train ou en voiture
Jules
"Ne cherche pas à suivre les traces d'un autre, cherche plutôt à savoir ce qu'il cherchait."
Bonjour,
Voici une adresse ou beaucoup de cols européens sont répertoriés et une ou plusieurs dénivellations sont proposées :
http://www.zanibike.net/motore.aspx?lingua=fra
Voici pour le san Bernadino : http://www.zanibike.net/motore2.aspx?lingua=fra&commenti=False&filtra=bernardino&pagina=1&quanti=20&lista=false&da=lm&come=af&url=ch®ione=Tutte
j'ai fait l'expérience de l'Albulapass un peu plus à l'est : la montée est longue et le pourcentage parfois sévère. Le paysage est très varié et la route n'est pas très passagère. Le vent de face dans la vallée de l'Inn avait été la cerise sur le gâteau... C'est pour moi l'un des souvenirs de col difficile. En ce qui concerne l'équipement, tout voyageur doit avoir dans les saccoches le nécesssaire pour passer la montagne quand elle est programée. il suffit d'adapter la tenue en fonction de la météo. Bonne route et bon vent
Voici pour le san Bernadino : http://www.zanibike.net/motore2.aspx?lingua=fra&commenti=False&filtra=bernardino&pagina=1&quanti=20&lista=false&da=lm&come=af&url=ch®ione=Tutte
j'ai fait l'expérience de l'Albulapass un peu plus à l'est : la montée est longue et le pourcentage parfois sévère. Le paysage est très varié et la route n'est pas très passagère. Le vent de face dans la vallée de l'Inn avait été la cerise sur le gâteau... C'est pour moi l'un des souvenirs de col difficile. En ce qui concerne l'équipement, tout voyageur doit avoir dans les saccoches le nécesssaire pour passer la montagne quand elle est programée. il suffit d'adapter la tenue en fonction de la météo. Bonne route et bon vent
Bonjour
Le profil de Bellinzona à Chur
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FrançoisGaleries de photos sur l'Islande à vélo:http://cyclophoto.free.fr/
Voyage à vélo en 2017 Asie centrale (Pamir) puis Corée et Japon : http://resilience-a-velo.over-blog.com/
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What kind of sleeping bag did you take? Is a 0°C (32°F) one enough? And one last question: white gas stove or can I get by with my gas stove?
Nath
I’ve got my flight ticket sorted—departing in mid-November and returning in mid-March. I’ll arrive in Santiago and leave from Buenos Aires. I’ve already been to southern Argentina, specifically Torres del Paine National Park, and I’d love to go back to do the full W trek (I only did the shorter version last time). I also want to do some hiking and maybe even tackle a summit. I climb and occasionally do some mountaineering, so I’ll definitely be going with a guide.
I plan to start around Temuco in Chile, with the idea of heading toward the lakes, then taking the Carretera Austral. I’m not sure if I’ll go all the way to Ushuaia—it’s supposed to not be *that* worth it, except for the bragging rights of saying you’ve been to the end of the world.
I saw there are lakes in Argentina too.
I don’t have a precise itinerary, but what I’d love is, once I reach the southernmost point of my trip, to take a mini-cruise to see some wildlife. Any tips for that?
What kind of sleeping bag did you take? Is a 0°C (32°F) one enough? And one last question: white gas stove or can I get by with my gas stove?
Nath
I'm developing a free and open-source web app for planning walking and cycling trips (and even car trips). You can create a route by clicking directly on the map to add waypoints, and it can consist of multiple stages. The app provides tools to edit the stages and the overall route, and to display useful information (distances, altitudes, and elevation changes). A relief profile can be shown as a graph for a specific stage or the entire route.
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
Source code: https://github.com/patricklmarie/GPX-Route-Planner Online demo: https://patricklmarie.github.io/GPX-Route-Planner/
Once the route is ready, it can be exported as a GPX file, which can then be used with a GPS or a mobile navigation app.
The app is built in JavaScript and runs entirely in the web browser. It uses the Leaflet library and several OpenStreetMap-based services. Initially developed for my personal needs (I enjoy hiking and cycle touring), I’d be happy to share it with anyone who might find it useful. It’s free to use, doesn’t require an account, and the source code is available.
Source code: https://github.com/patricklmarie/GPX-Route-Planner Online demo: https://patricklmarie.github.io/GPX-Route-Planner/
Heinz Stucke has passed away.
He never stopped traveling the world since 1962.
So sad.
https://www.facebook.com/heinzstucke
https://www.facebook.com/heinzstucke
hello fellow cycling enthusiasts
here’s a travel journal of the cycling tour through the Rhône-Alpes Auvergne region by Claudio
zouli
it was the plan
http://cbandiera.free.fr/parcours/auvergne-Ralpes/
the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

the trip was completed story being posted online soon 1100 km in 11 days beautiful and varied regions
claudio

Hello,
We’d like to go on a 3- to 4-month bike trip starting in December, crossing from Assam (northeast India) to New Delhi via Nepal.
Are there routes with light traffic along the Brahmaputra and through Nepal?
We’re also looking for any info on accommodations, wild camping, local interactions, etc.
Thanks,
Michel
Hi there,
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August! Virginie
I’m planning to cycle from Morlaix to Brest (via Roscoff and the V45 coastal route). We’ll start riding on August 16th for 13 days (with stops for island visits, surfing, etc.). Is there a lot of traffic at this time of year? I’ve got two kids, 11 and 13, and we don’t like riding in the middle of cars (we’ve already done the Vélomaritime—Caen to Cherbourg—the Loire route from Orléans to Saumur, the Vélodyssée from Nantes to Royans, and the canals like the Nivernais and Bourgogne, where there were plenty of bike-only lanes, which isn’t the case on this route).
Thanks for your help if you’ve already done this route in late August! Virginie
Hi there,
I’ve been road cycling for several years, and I’m about to switch to gravel in the next few days—I’m waiting for my bike, which should arrive this week.
I’m planning a bikepacking trip in a few weeks along the Véloroute V81, also known as the Vélosud, from Biarritz to Le Barcarès.
Has anyone here already done this route? Any info is welcome, whether it’s about the route itself, gear, or accommodation. I’ll prioritize staying with locals as much as possible. On that note, I just signed up for the brand-new site *Guidon et Couette* ((www.guidon-et-couette.fr)), which offers free accommodation between cyclists across the country, but there’s almost no one listed along my route!
Thanks in advance.
Laurent.
Hi there, I’m planning a cross-Canada bike trip, and I’ve got a question that might seem silly, but could someone tell me how to pack a bike (in a box, with a fragile sticker... I don’t know) for a flight? Thanks in advance!
Hi everyone,
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam. My question is about getting back to Nantes. Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences. I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes. By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains. We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance! Have a great evening
This summer, we’re planning to cycle along the EV 19 that follows the Meuse River from Langres all the way to Rotterdam. My question is about getting back to Nantes. Do any of you know what the best return option might be? I’d love to hear about your experiences. I saw that FlixBus doesn’t take bikes. By train, I think it’s possible but would involve multiple local trains. We were also wondering if there’s a boat from Rotterdam to Saint-Nazaire that could take passengers with bikes.
Any tips or experiences you can share would be really helpful—thanks in advance! Have a great evening
I’ve gotten used to crossing Europe by bus to return by bike.
It was really convenient to take the bike without having to disassemble it.
But FlixBus no longer accepts bikes...
What alternatives do you know about?
Thanks.
Hi there,
I’m planning to ride the Dutch section of the EuroVelo 19, from Maastricht to Rotterdam.
Since it’s too complicated to bring my bike on the train, I’m looking to rent one locally.
I’d love any tips or bike rental shop recommendations—I’m struggling to find options even in Rotterdam.
The plan is to rent in Rotterdam, take the train to Maastricht with the bike, then cycle back to Rotterdam.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
Nath
Coming soon:
https://www.Biclou.com/parcours/durance/
Starting from Faverges: 900 km over 9 days

Here’s the detailed Durance route starting from Briançon

Here’s the detailed Durance route starting from Briançon

Hi there,
I’m planning to build a new touring bike. I want to prioritize lightness. That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads. The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper. I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork. Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm. It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring. And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear. More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
Thanks in advance
I’m planning to build a new touring bike. I want to prioritize lightness. That said, I’m tempted by a suspension fork that could offer some comfort on rougher roads. The recent appearance of gravel suspension forks on the market might meet my needs—at least on paper. I’m particularly considering the RockShox Rudy Ultimate XPLR fork. Unlike MTB forks, its travel is short: either 30 mm or 40 mm. It weighs 1400 g, which is 400/500 g more than a steel fork.
Any thoughts or real-world feedback on this?
I’m also wondering about the durability of magnesium (lower leg) for long-distance bike touring. And what’s the impact of skipping the manufacturer-recommended maintenance every 50 and 200 hours? That’s bound to happen on a long trip unless you carry extra gear. More generally, how reliable are these kinds of forks?
Thanks in advance








