Le Costa Rica semble devenir (malheureusement!) la prochaine Republique Dominicaine ? Aux mains des promoteurs qui n'hesitent pas à dénaturer les plages, et bloquer ainsi l'accès à certaines, pour y planter des "condominium" pour touristes gringos. Il suffit de regarder comment se développent Jaco, Tamarindo & Cie... Au train où vont les développements et la soif de $$$ de certains, l'image écologique du Costa Rica ne sera bientot plus qu'une image d'épinal!
Costa Rica: future République Dominicaine?
by CasaOceana
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Hola,
Le Costa Rica semble devenir (malheureusement!) la prochaine Republique Dominicaine ? Aux mains des promoteurs qui n'hesitent pas à dénaturer les plages, et bloquer ainsi l'accès à certaines, pour y planter des "condominium" pour touristes gringos. Il suffit de regarder comment se développent Jaco, Tamarindo & Cie... Au train où vont les développements et la soif de $$$ de certains, l'image écologique du Costa Rica ne sera bientot plus qu'une image d'épinal!
Le Costa Rica semble devenir (malheureusement!) la prochaine Republique Dominicaine ? Aux mains des promoteurs qui n'hesitent pas à dénaturer les plages, et bloquer ainsi l'accès à certaines, pour y planter des "condominium" pour touristes gringos. Il suffit de regarder comment se développent Jaco, Tamarindo & Cie... Au train où vont les développements et la soif de $$$ de certains, l'image écologique du Costa Rica ne sera bientot plus qu'une image d'épinal!
Pura Vida!
mais pourquoi serait-il supprimé????
Moi ce qui m'inquiète au-delà de ce problème pour le Costa, c'est que par la suite, beaucoup d'autres pays vont suivre cet exemple...🙁
Moi ce qui m'inquiète au-delà de ce problème pour le Costa, c'est que par la suite, beaucoup d'autres pays vont suivre cet exemple...🙁
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hft0/sets/ -> Les photos ...
Tu ne fais que constater cet état des choses que le fric pourri. Plus les hommes seront avides et nombreux sur cette terre plus on constatera celà. C'est le cas du YUCATAN aussi au Mexique qui m'a terriblement déçu à cause de cela.
Le Forum souhaite probablement garder le côté "routard" qui est sa fonction 1ere c'est pourquoi il a tendance à supprimer ce genre de message, c'est dommage, je te l'accorde, mais d'un autre côté... qui vient sur ce forum si ce n'est que ceux qui veulent tout simplement découvrir un pays, profiter au mieux d'un voyage...???
et qui ds le fond, se fiche pas mal de ce qu'adviennent petit à petit ces beaux horizons!
Que proposes-tu pour sauver ce qui nous reste de meilleur sur cette planète? Je suis une fervente adepte de la nature et de tout ce qu'elle comporte de faune et de flore, alors si tu as une idée...
Mon Blog sur ALMUÑECAR (costa Tropica) :
-> https://vivre-en-espagne.blog4ever.com/
Blog sur l'Amérique Latine (en anglais):
-> http://GreenMochila.com
Ma passion des cactus sur Facebook : DAD Création. Cactus et succulentes dans un coquillage.
Hola,
J'avais bien constaté depuis longtemps que le fric pourri, mais j'y suis confronté chaque fois de plus en plus, et ca me fait mal...😕 Voici le lien qui avait été supprimé (www.macawsoceanclub.com), sur un projet immobilier a Jaco (comme tant d'autres au CR). Il y a 10 ans je n'appreciait deja pas Jaco, mais là ca devient du n'importe quoi! Le pire est advenu avec Tamarindo qui est maintenant méconaissable et hors de prix.
Ce que je ne comprend pas par contre, c'est pourquoi ce genre de message "dérange" sur le forum. Si je me rappelle bien ce site est consacré aux voyages et ce genre de problèmes nous concernent donc. Pourquoi ne pas en parler ?
J'apprécie toujours ce forum, riche en infos et bien organisé, mais je me rend compte que lui aussi a changé depuis qq temps... Au début fréquenté par des personnes qui ont une certaine idée du voyage, sans bannières publicitaire, il semble qu'il ait pris une tournure un peu plus commerciale et soit de plus en plus fréquenté par des "consommateurs de voyage". Il suffit de regarder combien de posts concernent le climat et les itinéraires. A coire que les gens ne prennent même plus le temps, et le plaisir, de préparer leur voyage en ouvrant un guide ou ne serait-ce qu'en faisant une recherche sur ce même forum. Non, c'est bien plus facile d'aller à la pêche aux infos en postant des messages redondant afin d'avoir une réponse "all inclusive". Leur voyage doit être OPTIMISE, et il est bien là le problème. Car c'est pour ces personnes que l'ont propose des hébergements et circuits OPTIMISES, qui ne profitent que peu aux locaux et dénaturent les pays visités: "Suivez le mouvement, dormez au mêmes endroits et tout ira bien... puis surout dépensez avec nos associés!"
Malheureusement je n'ai guère de solutions à proposer pour changer cela, car c'est dans la nature humaine de tirer profit de tout. Et comment en vouloir au Tico qui vend un bout de terrain à $150.000 à un gringo...? Que faire contre la corruption qui règne partout (au CR comme ailleurs) et qui permet à des groupes hoteliers de construire dans la zone maritime, soi-disant protégée? Ca c'est passé a Bali, en Rep.Dom., ca se passe au C.R, les autres suivront... et je suis bien pessimiste sur le futur. Comment ne pas être dégouté quand on voit des McDO, des centres commerciaux franchisés, etc...qui poussent à dans des pays où ils n'auraient pas lieu d'être ? Tout s'uniformise afin que chacun retouve ses marques dans n'importe quel pays.
Une solution pour préserver les écosystèmes serait de faire comme aux seychelles ou aux maldives, où les structures sont vraiment bien intégrées et les places limitées. Mais l'idée d'un tourisme exclusif me dérange. Finalement tant que l'on voyagera (ou consommera) sans réfléchir aux conséquences de nos actes, rien ne changera. Ce que j'ai envie de dire aux gens c'est de prendre le temps: On ne découvre pas un pays en une semaine, dans un hotel, ou en circuit. Prenez le temps de préparer le voyage; ne partez pas moins d'une semaine, car ca ne coute pas forcement plus cher de voyager plus longtemps; communiquez avec les locaux; mangez local; achetez local; le hors-saison n'est pas forcément la mauvaise saison...bref, sortez des sentiers battus!
PS:Finalement en relisant le message, je me dis qu'il pourrait être déplacé dans "Pensées et réflexions de voyageurs".😉
J'avais bien constaté depuis longtemps que le fric pourri, mais j'y suis confronté chaque fois de plus en plus, et ca me fait mal...😕 Voici le lien qui avait été supprimé (www.macawsoceanclub.com), sur un projet immobilier a Jaco (comme tant d'autres au CR). Il y a 10 ans je n'appreciait deja pas Jaco, mais là ca devient du n'importe quoi! Le pire est advenu avec Tamarindo qui est maintenant méconaissable et hors de prix.
Ce que je ne comprend pas par contre, c'est pourquoi ce genre de message "dérange" sur le forum. Si je me rappelle bien ce site est consacré aux voyages et ce genre de problèmes nous concernent donc. Pourquoi ne pas en parler ?
J'apprécie toujours ce forum, riche en infos et bien organisé, mais je me rend compte que lui aussi a changé depuis qq temps... Au début fréquenté par des personnes qui ont une certaine idée du voyage, sans bannières publicitaire, il semble qu'il ait pris une tournure un peu plus commerciale et soit de plus en plus fréquenté par des "consommateurs de voyage". Il suffit de regarder combien de posts concernent le climat et les itinéraires. A coire que les gens ne prennent même plus le temps, et le plaisir, de préparer leur voyage en ouvrant un guide ou ne serait-ce qu'en faisant une recherche sur ce même forum. Non, c'est bien plus facile d'aller à la pêche aux infos en postant des messages redondant afin d'avoir une réponse "all inclusive". Leur voyage doit être OPTIMISE, et il est bien là le problème. Car c'est pour ces personnes que l'ont propose des hébergements et circuits OPTIMISES, qui ne profitent que peu aux locaux et dénaturent les pays visités: "Suivez le mouvement, dormez au mêmes endroits et tout ira bien... puis surout dépensez avec nos associés!"
Malheureusement je n'ai guère de solutions à proposer pour changer cela, car c'est dans la nature humaine de tirer profit de tout. Et comment en vouloir au Tico qui vend un bout de terrain à $150.000 à un gringo...? Que faire contre la corruption qui règne partout (au CR comme ailleurs) et qui permet à des groupes hoteliers de construire dans la zone maritime, soi-disant protégée? Ca c'est passé a Bali, en Rep.Dom., ca se passe au C.R, les autres suivront... et je suis bien pessimiste sur le futur. Comment ne pas être dégouté quand on voit des McDO, des centres commerciaux franchisés, etc...qui poussent à dans des pays où ils n'auraient pas lieu d'être ? Tout s'uniformise afin que chacun retouve ses marques dans n'importe quel pays.
Une solution pour préserver les écosystèmes serait de faire comme aux seychelles ou aux maldives, où les structures sont vraiment bien intégrées et les places limitées. Mais l'idée d'un tourisme exclusif me dérange. Finalement tant que l'on voyagera (ou consommera) sans réfléchir aux conséquences de nos actes, rien ne changera. Ce que j'ai envie de dire aux gens c'est de prendre le temps: On ne découvre pas un pays en une semaine, dans un hotel, ou en circuit. Prenez le temps de préparer le voyage; ne partez pas moins d'une semaine, car ca ne coute pas forcement plus cher de voyager plus longtemps; communiquez avec les locaux; mangez local; achetez local; le hors-saison n'est pas forcément la mauvaise saison...bref, sortez des sentiers battus!
PS:Finalement en relisant le message, je me dis qu'il pourrait être déplacé dans "Pensées et réflexions de voyageurs".😉
Pura Vida!
hey,
ce que tu di est certe choquant mais indique la meilleur forme du voyage (ou la seule valable). dans mon cas je n ai pas pu voyager de cette sorte car je suis parti a la base pour un projet nature qui devai me faire toute la duree de mon voyage et en faite ne m a pa plus et donc m a fait que 2 semaine. je me sui mi sac a dos au dos et je suis parti a la recherche du costa rica et ce que j ai vu ne ma pas plu du tout car super touristique et tout tourne autour de l argent. je n ai pas encore reussi a trouver un endroit pas touristique au costa rica. je n ai pas eu le temps de chercher. en tout cas je sui decu par le costa rica qui ne correspond pas du tout a se quoi je m attendai. du coup je continue mon voyage au nicaragua qui me parait beaucoup plus naturel. un truc que des locaux dise a propos du costa rica qui est tres revelateur est: le costa rican. effectivement c est tres americaniser. par contre c est vrai qu il y a des paysages magnifique. j ai pu parler avec des locaux qui m on dis a peu pres la meme chose que Casaoceana. je pense qu en s enfoncant dans les terres il y a peut etre moyen de voir le vrai costa rica.
ce que tu di est certe choquant mais indique la meilleur forme du voyage (ou la seule valable). dans mon cas je n ai pas pu voyager de cette sorte car je suis parti a la base pour un projet nature qui devai me faire toute la duree de mon voyage et en faite ne m a pa plus et donc m a fait que 2 semaine. je me sui mi sac a dos au dos et je suis parti a la recherche du costa rica et ce que j ai vu ne ma pas plu du tout car super touristique et tout tourne autour de l argent. je n ai pas encore reussi a trouver un endroit pas touristique au costa rica. je n ai pas eu le temps de chercher. en tout cas je sui decu par le costa rica qui ne correspond pas du tout a se quoi je m attendai. du coup je continue mon voyage au nicaragua qui me parait beaucoup plus naturel. un truc que des locaux dise a propos du costa rica qui est tres revelateur est: le costa rican. effectivement c est tres americaniser. par contre c est vrai qu il y a des paysages magnifique. j ai pu parler avec des locaux qui m on dis a peu pres la meme chose que Casaoceana. je pense qu en s enfoncant dans les terres il y a peut etre moyen de voir le vrai costa rica.
glups
"Ce que je ne comprend pas par contre, c'est pourquoi ce genre de message "dérange" sur le forum. Si je me rappelle bien ce site est consacré aux voyages et ce genre de problèmes nous concernent donc. Pourquoi ne pas en parler ? "
on pourrait peut être avoir une réponse des modérateurs sur ce problème ?
on pourrait peut être avoir une réponse des modérateurs sur ce problème ?
Il y a le problême de FRIC oui, mais aussi de TEMPS. On a plus le temps de vivre, de rire, de s'aimer, de voyager en regardant ds le détail ce qui s'offre à nous. Les voyagistes gagnent du fric avec ces gens qui n'ont pas le temps...Il faut voir un maximum de choses en un minimum de temps. Je préfère de loin les routards (à condition qu'ils ne jettent pas leurs détritus sur leur passage !) car au moins ils ont certes un objectif, celui comme tout le monde de voir le + possible de beaux paysages, de belles architectures, la faune, la flore même parfois, mais ils sont capables de s'arrêter dans l'endroi qui leur a inspiré un coup de coeur. Ce sont eux aussi qui s'approches des gens du cru. La plupart des gens ne cherchent même pas à parler la langue du pays qu'ils visitent, les Anglais sont les plus forts pour cela! Alors comment communiquer avec les locaux lorsque l'on a seulement 15 jours de congés et qu'on a pas été fichu de se préparer à quelques mots ou phrases locales avant de partir?
Je suis comme toi Fabrice la plupart des touristes m'exaspèrent lorsque je les croise ds les pays oû je me pose, lorsque je vois comment ils agissent. (Certains groupes de Français m'ont même fait carrément honte parfois) Et quand on pense que c'est pour eux, pour qu'ils viennent de + en + nombreux que les promoteurs font surgir les hôtels un peu partout.
Depuis de nombreuses années je me dis qu'il ne faut plus faire d'enfant, nous sommes déjà bien asses nombreux sur cette planète, il n'y a déjà plus de place pour les plantes et les animaux. L'homme est partout, avide de nouveaux territoires, et vierges si possibles, pour pouvoir les polluer à sa guise et repousser tj les limites de la nature. Seulement on nous pousse à faire des mômes, ça payera la retraite de Papie! sans penser que bientôt, dans un temps très limité, il n'y aura plus de place pour tout le monde sur cette planète. C'était mon état d'ame de cette fin de soirée...... Ceci dit, toi et moi avons envie de vivre au CR, toi tu y a déjà posé tes jalons, moi j'arrive à la fin de l'année pour espérer y vivre le + longtemps possible et le plus heureuse possible. Ne sommes nous pas coupables nous aussi ?
Depuis de nombreuses années je me dis qu'il ne faut plus faire d'enfant, nous sommes déjà bien asses nombreux sur cette planète, il n'y a déjà plus de place pour les plantes et les animaux. L'homme est partout, avide de nouveaux territoires, et vierges si possibles, pour pouvoir les polluer à sa guise et repousser tj les limites de la nature. Seulement on nous pousse à faire des mômes, ça payera la retraite de Papie! sans penser que bientôt, dans un temps très limité, il n'y aura plus de place pour tout le monde sur cette planète. C'était mon état d'ame de cette fin de soirée...... Ceci dit, toi et moi avons envie de vivre au CR, toi tu y a déjà posé tes jalons, moi j'arrive à la fin de l'année pour espérer y vivre le + longtemps possible et le plus heureuse possible. Ne sommes nous pas coupables nous aussi ?
Mon Blog sur ALMUÑECAR (costa Tropica) :
-> https://vivre-en-espagne.blog4ever.com/
Blog sur l'Amérique Latine (en anglais):
-> http://GreenMochila.com
Ma passion des cactus sur Facebook : DAD Création. Cactus et succulentes dans un coquillage.
Je partage tout à fait ton point de vue Rousillon.
Quant à notre "culpabilité" d'avoir choisi le C.R comme pays où s'installer, je ne me sens pas coupable de vouloir fuir cette société justement polluante et trop pressée. Ce qui m'attriste c'est malheureusement le fait que, où que l'on aille, elle fini par nous rattraper 😕
Je viens de passer un an au CR, dans ce petit coin perdu, où nous nous sommes parfaitement intégrés. Bien sûr, je parle Espagnol et cela aide à créer des liens. Mais je ne comprend toujours pas les Ricains qui sont là depuis 10 ans pour certains, et qui ne font même pas l'effort de baragouiner qq mots. Mais au contraire, restent entre eux. Ils sont là pour gagner des $$$. Certains montent leur business sans même parler un mot d'Espagnol....peu importe puisque leurs clients ne sont pas Ticos ! Ils prennent ce qu'il y a prendre, puis iront ailleurs, pour en prendre toujours plus. Attention je ne fais pas de généralités, car certains s'invistissent dans la vie locale. Mais ceux là, peu nombreux, ne font pas modifier l'image que j'ai du "gringo".
J'habite actuellement sur la cote Mediterranéene, bétonnée à souhait. En fait ils me font penser aux Allemands, il y a quelques années, qui passaient leur vacances en Espagne. Il n'y a qu'a voir ce qu'est devenu la Costa Brava, Benidorm, etc... et pourtant ca n'a pas l'air de servir de leçon !
Pura Vida!
Bonjour!
dans mon cas je n ai pas pu voyager de cette sorte car je suis parti a la base pour un projet nature qui devai me faire toute la duree de mon voyage et en faite ne m a pa plus et donc m a fait que 2 semaine. Peut-être pourrais-tu nous en dire davantage? Ha oui, tu es venu pour bosser sur un projet pour les tortues c'est bien cela? Que t'es-t-il donc arrivé? Et tu demandais si les clopes étaient pas trop dégueulasses ici, c'est bien cela? je n ai pas encore reussi a trouver un endroit pas touristique au costa rica. je n ai pas eu le temps de chercher. en tout cas je sui decu par le costa rica qui ne correspond pas du tout a se quoi je m attendai. Là, je t'avoue que je ne saisi pas du tout. Tu n'as pas trouvé un endroit qui ne soit pas touristique, mais de toute façon tu n'as pas eu le temps de chercher, et par conséquent, le COSTA RICA ne te correspond pas. Ce que moi personnellement je ne comprends pas, c'est comment peut-on être déçu de ce que l'on ne connait pas. Cela me sidèrera toujours. Que tu n'aies pas aimé le peu de tu aies vu, je suis d'accord, mais de dire 'je n'ai pas aimé' le Costa Rica, alors franchement, je pense que tu ne connais rien de ce pays, ou si si peu... du coup je continue mon voyage au nicaragua qui me parait beaucoup plus naturel. J'aime aussi beaucoup le Nicaragua, par contre j'espère que tu ne seras pas trop déçu par la pauvreté, les enfants qui mendient... un truc que des locaux dise a propos du costa rica qui est tres revelateur est: le costa rican. effectivement c est tres americaniser. Je ne comprends pas bien ici non plus: que signifie ''le costa rican'??? Costa Rican = costaricien (en=fr) qui vient de Costa Rica, enfin je ne vois pas le rapport du tout. Pourrais-tu éclairer ma lanterne...? par contre c est vrai qu il y a des paysages magnifique. Il paraît oui.😐 j ai pu parler avec des locaux qui m on dis a peu pres la meme chose que Casaoceana. je pense qu en s enfoncant dans les terres il y a peut etre moyen de voir le vrai costa rica. Moi je ne connais ni vrai ni faux Costa Rica, je ne connais qu'un seul Costa Rica, celui qui se trouve entre le Panama et le Nicaragua. C'est bien celui dont tu parles, n'est-ce-pas?
dans mon cas je n ai pas pu voyager de cette sorte car je suis parti a la base pour un projet nature qui devai me faire toute la duree de mon voyage et en faite ne m a pa plus et donc m a fait que 2 semaine. Peut-être pourrais-tu nous en dire davantage? Ha oui, tu es venu pour bosser sur un projet pour les tortues c'est bien cela? Que t'es-t-il donc arrivé? Et tu demandais si les clopes étaient pas trop dégueulasses ici, c'est bien cela? je n ai pas encore reussi a trouver un endroit pas touristique au costa rica. je n ai pas eu le temps de chercher. en tout cas je sui decu par le costa rica qui ne correspond pas du tout a se quoi je m attendai. Là, je t'avoue que je ne saisi pas du tout. Tu n'as pas trouvé un endroit qui ne soit pas touristique, mais de toute façon tu n'as pas eu le temps de chercher, et par conséquent, le COSTA RICA ne te correspond pas. Ce que moi personnellement je ne comprends pas, c'est comment peut-on être déçu de ce que l'on ne connait pas. Cela me sidèrera toujours. Que tu n'aies pas aimé le peu de tu aies vu, je suis d'accord, mais de dire 'je n'ai pas aimé' le Costa Rica, alors franchement, je pense que tu ne connais rien de ce pays, ou si si peu... du coup je continue mon voyage au nicaragua qui me parait beaucoup plus naturel. J'aime aussi beaucoup le Nicaragua, par contre j'espère que tu ne seras pas trop déçu par la pauvreté, les enfants qui mendient... un truc que des locaux dise a propos du costa rica qui est tres revelateur est: le costa rican. effectivement c est tres americaniser. Je ne comprends pas bien ici non plus: que signifie ''le costa rican'??? Costa Rican = costaricien (en=fr) qui vient de Costa Rica, enfin je ne vois pas le rapport du tout. Pourrais-tu éclairer ma lanterne...? par contre c est vrai qu il y a des paysages magnifique. Il paraît oui.😐 j ai pu parler avec des locaux qui m on dis a peu pres la meme chose que Casaoceana. je pense qu en s enfoncant dans les terres il y a peut etre moyen de voir le vrai costa rica. Moi je ne connais ni vrai ni faux Costa Rica, je ne connais qu'un seul Costa Rica, celui qui se trouve entre le Panama et le Nicaragua. C'est bien celui dont tu parles, n'est-ce-pas?
Fascinée... très souvent. ;)
Je connais bien le Costa Rica puisque j'y vit. si tu considere Tamarindo ou Jaco, effectivement tu ne parles pas vraiemnet du Costa Rica. ce pays est bouré d'endroits superbes et tres peu frequentés.. il suffit juste de ne pas suivre les conseils des agences de voyage.
Effectivement l'hotelerie se développe beaucoup, tres vite, ce qui brise un peu le coté routard de ce pays. Mais il ne faut pas considérer le Costa Rica comme une destination type Nicaragua, Colombie etc, c'est devenu autre chose.
Effectivement l'hotelerie se développe beaucoup, tres vite, ce qui brise un peu le coté routard de ce pays. Mais il ne faut pas considérer le Costa Rica comme une destination type Nicaragua, Colombie etc, c'est devenu autre chose.
Salut heureux Fabrice,
J'ai mis ''heureux'' à dessein pcq tu figures quand même parmi les ''heureux'' ayant pu dénicher ce petit paradis perdu quelque part en forêt... Ton message ainsi que les suivants sur tout ce qui concerne investissement et/ou développement vacanciers/domiciliaire au CR ou ailleurs m'interpelle parceque le problème est le même partout....rien de nouveau sous ce soleil tellement recherché. Je trouve même que sur VF devrait exister un nouveau forum qu'on intitulerait: ''voyager et investir'' ou qchose du genre. Les yankees ne parlent pas un mot d, espagnol....so what! ils n, en n, ont pas besoin puisqu, ils font toutes leurs affaires entr'eux. Même les affiches/annonces de leurs commerces sont en anglais..REALTIES est le mot-clé....et tu sais tres bien aussi que la clientèle des locaux ne les intéresse même pas: tout est fonction, non pas de la valeur réelle du terrain ou de l, immeuble, mais plutôt en fonction du plaisir qu, il va rapporter: plage a proximité, vue sur mer etc...Fais une recherche sur Google avec investir au costa rica et tu verras que même en français google te donnera un tas de sites US... Le problème ce sont les comparatifs ! si un tel terrain a tel endroit se vend 50, 000$, le terrain voisin vaudra lui aussi 50, 000$+ la plus value etc etc....cela peut fonctionner tant que les realties ne s'adressent qu'à une clientèle fortunée. Mais les locaux, eux, ils pourront s'acheter quoi avec leur salaire ''national''.Pire encore, si on veut s, adresser aux nationaux dans la busines de l, immobilier, on tombera sur les mêmes prix surfaits pcq, pas fous les costa-riciens....ils sont au courant des prix US... Et ce sera bientôt la même chose au Nicaragua. La solution: acheter le premier dans un endroit qu, on suppose qu'il se développera un jour( car on a quand même besoin de services...). La Manzanilla, petit village de 800 habitants sur la côte du Pacifique au Mexique appartient pour 50% aux étrangers. Les habitants( la plupart sont des pecheurs) y vendent leurs petites maisons a gros prix et vont s, installer dans la montagne à pres de 2hrs de marche de leur embarcation...Il y a 4 restaurants dans le village: la carte de chacun d, eux est uniquement en anglais.... Le même phénomène s, est produit à Acapulco( en 100x plus gros) il y a de cela 50 ans... L'argent est un énorme rouleau-compresseur. Il n, y a pas de solution à court terme. On peut toutefois demander a assister aux réunions du conseil de ville et demander droit de parole....et leur expliquer....si les élus/ veulent bien écouter ?? Il y a 10 ans un terrain a flanc de montagne dans la baie de Coronado(Pacifique sud de Utila) se vendait 4000$US pour environ 1/2 HA. Combien vaut-il maintenant??? Mais pour 2 ou 3 personnes préoccupées par l, environnement, l, écologie combien y en a t il accordant bien plus d, importance a ''une belle vue sur la mer a partir de mon balcon bétonné et tout services''.
J'ai mis ''heureux'' à dessein pcq tu figures quand même parmi les ''heureux'' ayant pu dénicher ce petit paradis perdu quelque part en forêt... Ton message ainsi que les suivants sur tout ce qui concerne investissement et/ou développement vacanciers/domiciliaire au CR ou ailleurs m'interpelle parceque le problème est le même partout....rien de nouveau sous ce soleil tellement recherché. Je trouve même que sur VF devrait exister un nouveau forum qu'on intitulerait: ''voyager et investir'' ou qchose du genre. Les yankees ne parlent pas un mot d, espagnol....so what! ils n, en n, ont pas besoin puisqu, ils font toutes leurs affaires entr'eux. Même les affiches/annonces de leurs commerces sont en anglais..REALTIES est le mot-clé....et tu sais tres bien aussi que la clientèle des locaux ne les intéresse même pas: tout est fonction, non pas de la valeur réelle du terrain ou de l, immeuble, mais plutôt en fonction du plaisir qu, il va rapporter: plage a proximité, vue sur mer etc...Fais une recherche sur Google avec investir au costa rica et tu verras que même en français google te donnera un tas de sites US... Le problème ce sont les comparatifs ! si un tel terrain a tel endroit se vend 50, 000$, le terrain voisin vaudra lui aussi 50, 000$+ la plus value etc etc....cela peut fonctionner tant que les realties ne s'adressent qu'à une clientèle fortunée. Mais les locaux, eux, ils pourront s'acheter quoi avec leur salaire ''national''.Pire encore, si on veut s, adresser aux nationaux dans la busines de l, immobilier, on tombera sur les mêmes prix surfaits pcq, pas fous les costa-riciens....ils sont au courant des prix US... Et ce sera bientôt la même chose au Nicaragua. La solution: acheter le premier dans un endroit qu, on suppose qu'il se développera un jour( car on a quand même besoin de services...). La Manzanilla, petit village de 800 habitants sur la côte du Pacifique au Mexique appartient pour 50% aux étrangers. Les habitants( la plupart sont des pecheurs) y vendent leurs petites maisons a gros prix et vont s, installer dans la montagne à pres de 2hrs de marche de leur embarcation...Il y a 4 restaurants dans le village: la carte de chacun d, eux est uniquement en anglais.... Le même phénomène s, est produit à Acapulco( en 100x plus gros) il y a de cela 50 ans... L'argent est un énorme rouleau-compresseur. Il n, y a pas de solution à court terme. On peut toutefois demander a assister aux réunions du conseil de ville et demander droit de parole....et leur expliquer....si les élus/ veulent bien écouter ?? Il y a 10 ans un terrain a flanc de montagne dans la baie de Coronado(Pacifique sud de Utila) se vendait 4000$US pour environ 1/2 HA. Combien vaut-il maintenant??? Mais pour 2 ou 3 personnes préoccupées par l, environnement, l, écologie combien y en a t il accordant bien plus d, importance a ''une belle vue sur la mer a partir de mon balcon bétonné et tout services''.
On met longtemps à devenir jeune...
Je connais bien le Costa Rica puisque j'y vit. si tu considere Tamarindo ou Jaco, effectivement tu ne parles pas vraiemnet du Costa Rica. ce pays est bouré d'endroits superbes et tres peu frequentés.. il suffit juste de ne pas suivre les conseils des agences de voyage. J'y vit également (a mi-temps), et je sais bien qu'il existe d'autres endroits moins fréquentés et plus beau que Tamarindo et Jaco....mais j'ai connu Tamarindo il y a 10 ans et je déplore qu'il est tant changé. Ce que je craint, c'est que les endroits actuellement "préservés" suivent le même chemin....
ie se développe beaucoup, tres vite, ce qui brise un peu le coté routard de ce pays. Mais il ne faut pas considérer le Costa Rica comme une destination type Nicaragua, Colombie etc, c'est devenu autre chose. Le Nicaragua est actuellement comme le C.R d'il y a 10 ans....mais il prend le même chemin. Par ex., les gringos qui ne peuvent plus acheter sur Tamarindo, se rabattent à San Juan del Sur! 🤪 Le développement est juste un peu plus lent du fait de la certaine "instabilité" du pays.
ie se développe beaucoup, tres vite, ce qui brise un peu le coté routard de ce pays. Mais il ne faut pas considérer le Costa Rica comme une destination type Nicaragua, Colombie etc, c'est devenu autre chose. Le Nicaragua est actuellement comme le C.R d'il y a 10 ans....mais il prend le même chemin. Par ex., les gringos qui ne peuvent plus acheter sur Tamarindo, se rabattent à San Juan del Sur! 🤪 Le développement est juste un peu plus lent du fait de la certaine "instabilité" du pays.
Pura Vida!
Mais les locaux, eux, ils pourront s'acheter quoi avec leur salaire ''national''. Ben rien justement, et c'est bien cela qui m'ecoeure ! Un ami Tico, habitant Parrita dû démenager une fois qu'il a fini de travailler pour les "condominium" U.S. Des lotissements (enclos!) fermés pour milliardaire, avec garde, etc....et maisons à $1.000.000. Le problème c'est que le cout de la vie au village à augmenté en conséquence obligeant ceux qui n'ont pas les moyens à déménager alors qu'ils habitaient là depuis 15 ans ! Le bord de plage n'appartient plus aux Ticos...😕 L'argent est un énorme rouleau-compresseur. Il n, y a pas de solution à court terme. Tout est dit ! On peut toutefois demander a assister aux réunions du conseil de ville et demander droit de parole....et leur expliquer....si les élus/ veulent bien écouter ?? J'y suis allé une fois, au conseil du village. Vous savez ce qu'a proposé la communauté gringo....? La mise en place d'un service de Livraison de Pizza !😮 Alors que la route est déplorable, que les ponts sont souvent à réparer empechant le bus de passer, etc, etc...
Mais pour 2 ou 3 personnes préoccupées par l, environnement, l, écologie combien y en a t il accordant bien plus d, importance a ''une belle vue sur la mer a partir de mon balcon bétonné et tout services''. Trop bien sur..😕
Pura Vida!
il y a 10 ans il était question de rendre l'aéroport de LIBERIA international. Qu, en est-il maintenant???
Pcq cela aiderait grandement au développement de SJDS...
On met longtemps à devenir jeune...
On ne découvre pas un pays en une semaine, dans un hotel, ou en circuit.
Prenez le temps de préparer le voyage; ne partez pas moins d'une semaine, car ca ne coute pas forcement plus cher de voyager plus longtemps; communiquez avec les locaux; mangez local; achetez local; le hors-saison n'est pas forcément la mauvaise saison...bref, sortez des sentiers battus!
PS:Finalement en relisant le message, je me dis qu'il pourrait être déplacé dans "Pensées et réflexions de voyageurs".😉
Désolé de bosser et de pas pouvoir partir 3 mois à chaque voyage. Non mais franchement c'est quoi ce genre de réflexions ? Tu crois vraiment que les gens qui partent 10 jorus à Bali aimeraient pas partir plus longtemps ? t'as peut-etre de la chance de pouvoir partir longtemps (moi aussi je peux en général partir 4 voire 5 semaines en voyage) c'est aps pour ça que c'est le cas de tout le monde. Et tous les gens qui veulent voyager vont pas tout larguer pour autant. faut bien que certains bossent non ?
Sinon arrêtez la parano, vos messages sont pas supprimés alors qu'est-ce que ça veut dire ces insinuations ?
Et pour finir, ne te leurre pas, en tant que routard tu participes aussi au pourrissement de certains endroits. personnellement les exemples les plus affligeants que j'ai vus de la transformations de certains endroits à cause du tourisme, ils étaient dus à un tourisme routard. Par exemple au Chili, San Pedro de Atacama (où une majorité de touristes sont indépendants et sac au dos) est un véritable parc d'attraction rempli de restaurants à la mode et d'agences de voyage. C'est pas à cause de Nouvelles Frontieres et du Club Med. Je m'attendais pas à ça en allant là-bas (etd e toutes façons j'ai conscience d'etre un simple touriste pas meilleur que les autres). Quand tu vas à Cancun tu sais très bien à quoi t'attendre donc c'est un peu paradoxal d'y aller de participer au cirque et de dire "oh la la le tourisme de masse gna gna gna".
Cela dit je suis à 100% d'accord à propos des massacres immobiliers qui sont faits en dépit du bon sens par des tour operators. Mais il ne faut pas croire qu'en tant que routards on n'aie aucune influence négative sur le développement des pays.
PS:Finalement en relisant le message, je me dis qu'il pourrait être déplacé dans "Pensées et réflexions de voyageurs".😉
Désolé de bosser et de pas pouvoir partir 3 mois à chaque voyage. Non mais franchement c'est quoi ce genre de réflexions ? Tu crois vraiment que les gens qui partent 10 jorus à Bali aimeraient pas partir plus longtemps ? t'as peut-etre de la chance de pouvoir partir longtemps (moi aussi je peux en général partir 4 voire 5 semaines en voyage) c'est aps pour ça que c'est le cas de tout le monde. Et tous les gens qui veulent voyager vont pas tout larguer pour autant. faut bien que certains bossent non ?
Sinon arrêtez la parano, vos messages sont pas supprimés alors qu'est-ce que ça veut dire ces insinuations ?
Et pour finir, ne te leurre pas, en tant que routard tu participes aussi au pourrissement de certains endroits. personnellement les exemples les plus affligeants que j'ai vus de la transformations de certains endroits à cause du tourisme, ils étaient dus à un tourisme routard. Par exemple au Chili, San Pedro de Atacama (où une majorité de touristes sont indépendants et sac au dos) est un véritable parc d'attraction rempli de restaurants à la mode et d'agences de voyage. C'est pas à cause de Nouvelles Frontieres et du Club Med. Je m'attendais pas à ça en allant là-bas (etd e toutes façons j'ai conscience d'etre un simple touriste pas meilleur que les autres). Quand tu vas à Cancun tu sais très bien à quoi t'attendre donc c'est un peu paradoxal d'y aller de participer au cirque et de dire "oh la la le tourisme de masse gna gna gna".
Cela dit je suis à 100% d'accord à propos des massacres immobiliers qui sont faits en dépit du bon sens par des tour operators. Mais il ne faut pas croire qu'en tant que routards on n'aie aucune influence négative sur le développement des pays.
effectivement peut etre que j aurai du dire: je n ai pas aimer ce que j ai vu du costa rica et sa m en a donner une mauvaise image. mais bon je pensai que c etait claire que sa voulai dire sa. je suis aller au nicaragua et j ai beaucoup apprecier c etait genial et c est vrai que je pense que sa prend la direction du costa rica. manquai une lettre: costa ricain et je l ai entendu souvent. ba si sans jouer sur les mots y a le costa rica toucher par le tourisme et le costa rica encore preserver selon les endroits et je pense que tu le sais tres bien.
glups
il y a 10 ans il était question de rendre l'aéroport de LIBERIA international. Qu, en est-il maintenant???
Pcq cela aiderait grandement au développement de SJDS...
Oui, depuis 1995. Premier vol international fut sur Miami par Lacsa. Et je confirme donc ton second point.
Oui, depuis 1995. Premier vol international fut sur Miami par Lacsa. Et je confirme donc ton second point.
Fascinée... très souvent. ;)
Désolé de bosser et de pas pouvoir partir 3 mois à chaque voyage.
Non mais franchement c'est quoi ce genre de réflexions ? Tu crois vraiment que les gens qui partent 10 jorus à Bali aimeraient pas partir plus longtemps ?
t'as peut-etre de la chance de pouvoir partir longtemps (moi aussi je peux en général partir 4 voire 5 semaines en voyage) c'est aps pour ça que c'est le cas de tout le monde. Et tous les gens qui veulent voyager vont pas tout larguer pour autant. faut bien que certains bossent non ? Je n'ai jamais parlé de partir 3 mois....En France on a 5 voire 7 à 8 semaines/an avec les 35h. Tout ce que je dis c'est qu'au lieu de partir 3x 1 semaine, il vaut mieux partir 1x 3 semaines. Je ne comprendrai jamais ceux qui partent en Rep. Dom, Tunisie, ou autres pour une semaine de soleil en hiver, tout ca pour rester dans un hotel au bord de la piscine ou sur une plage privé. Pas besoin d'aller si loin pour ca....il y a des Centers Parcs en France. Voyager autrement c'est pas tellement plus compliqué, il suffit de ne pas choisir la (trop grande) facilité. C'est mon point de vue, c'est tout.
Sinon arrêtez la parano, vos messages sont pas supprimés alors qu'est-ce que ça veut dire ces insinuations ? Aucune parano la dedans. Mon sujet a bien été supprimé ! Et pour finir, ne te leurre pas, en tant que routard tu participes aussi au pourrissement de certains endroits. Je ne me considère pas "routard" et ne voyage pas particulièrement en "sac à dos, à la root, et sans thune". Je me met simplement au même niveau que les gens des pays que je visite: transports en commun, logements abordables, nourriture locale. Je cherche juste ce que je ne trouverais pas à coté de chez moi. Cela dit je suis à 100% d'accord à propos des massacres immobiliers qui sont faits en dépit du bon sens par des tour operators. Mais il ne faut pas croire qu'en tant que routards on n'aie aucune influence négative sur le développement des pays. Quel genre de "touristes" logent dans les "massacres immobiliers" ? Surement pas les routards.... Maintenant qu'il aient une influence négative, je ne crois pas qu'ils représentent la masse des voyageurs? C'est sur la majorité des destinations touristiques (Bali par ex.) ont été découvertes ou visitées par des routards. Mais faut-il leur reprocher le développement actuel, parcequ'ils y sont passés il y a 30 ans ? Puis je crois que la définition de "routard" n'est plus valable de nos jours. Avec Internet et les moyens de transport actuel, même si certains portent encore un sac à dos, on part rarement dans l'inconnu....😉
Sinon arrêtez la parano, vos messages sont pas supprimés alors qu'est-ce que ça veut dire ces insinuations ? Aucune parano la dedans. Mon sujet a bien été supprimé ! Et pour finir, ne te leurre pas, en tant que routard tu participes aussi au pourrissement de certains endroits. Je ne me considère pas "routard" et ne voyage pas particulièrement en "sac à dos, à la root, et sans thune". Je me met simplement au même niveau que les gens des pays que je visite: transports en commun, logements abordables, nourriture locale. Je cherche juste ce que je ne trouverais pas à coté de chez moi. Cela dit je suis à 100% d'accord à propos des massacres immobiliers qui sont faits en dépit du bon sens par des tour operators. Mais il ne faut pas croire qu'en tant que routards on n'aie aucune influence négative sur le développement des pays. Quel genre de "touristes" logent dans les "massacres immobiliers" ? Surement pas les routards.... Maintenant qu'il aient une influence négative, je ne crois pas qu'ils représentent la masse des voyageurs? C'est sur la majorité des destinations touristiques (Bali par ex.) ont été découvertes ou visitées par des routards. Mais faut-il leur reprocher le développement actuel, parcequ'ils y sont passés il y a 30 ans ? Puis je crois que la définition de "routard" n'est plus valable de nos jours. Avec Internet et les moyens de transport actuel, même si certains portent encore un sac à dos, on part rarement dans l'inconnu....😉
Pura Vida!
Libéria est bien un aéroport International, avec des vols directs avec les USA et le Canada.
Surtout utilisé entre Décembre et Avril par des compagnies charters.
Pura Vida!
Salut Anangelaway,
un peu tard pour répondre à ce message mais je viens juste de le lire. Je pense aussi que cette personne ne c'est pas relue non plus, losque qu'elle dit qu'elle peux ce loger à partir de $10 dollard, manger à partir de $5 dollard prendre le bus pour presque rien, que veut-elle dire par ''ça coûte cher'' ah peut-être que l'on ne peut pas abusé d'une économie défavorisé dans laquelle les gens seront tes pieds et te masserons les pied pour un dollard comme à Cuba, avec un sourrie en plus au cas ou la police le vois et pense qu'elle est en train d'intimidé un criss de touriste!
Mais qu, elle condécendences de vouloir prendre des ''indien vêtue de rouge en photo'' Non mais merde ce qui serais le pied au Costa Rica cerais probablement de voir l'arenal, pour 30 dollad, en plein jour sans nuage faire irruption pendant des heures, la lave qui descendrait sur les village pendant que les gens court pour leur vie....il me semble que nous pourrions en avoir pour notre argent et ca ferais quelque chose écrire sur le forrum. Pour ne pas être des vache à lait faudrais resté enfants et être dépendant de notre prore vache.
Le Costa Rica est un pays libre de 5 million d'habitant envahi, nous, les gringo de partout, les gens y sont des plus tolérent que j'ai rencontré, tant qu'à la nature elle y ai des moins poluer de la planète.
Je pense que monsieur chie sur un pays parce qu'il s'attendait à de l'eau turquoise, à un peuple qui n'ont pas les moyen de s'instruire où parfois même de ce nourrir dans lequel il peut ce sentir supérieur et l'on pourrais même ''leur montrer à vivre'' et à recyclé.
Le Costa Rica est un pays riche où même à double du prix c'est abordable.
Pura Vida!
Michel
Mais qu, elle condécendences de vouloir prendre des ''indien vêtue de rouge en photo'' Non mais merde ce qui serais le pied au Costa Rica cerais probablement de voir l'arenal, pour 30 dollad, en plein jour sans nuage faire irruption pendant des heures, la lave qui descendrait sur les village pendant que les gens court pour leur vie....il me semble que nous pourrions en avoir pour notre argent et ca ferais quelque chose écrire sur le forrum. Pour ne pas être des vache à lait faudrais resté enfants et être dépendant de notre prore vache.
Le Costa Rica est un pays libre de 5 million d'habitant envahi, nous, les gringo de partout, les gens y sont des plus tolérent que j'ai rencontré, tant qu'à la nature elle y ai des moins poluer de la planète.
Je pense que monsieur chie sur un pays parce qu'il s'attendait à de l'eau turquoise, à un peuple qui n'ont pas les moyen de s'instruire où parfois même de ce nourrir dans lequel il peut ce sentir supérieur et l'on pourrais même ''leur montrer à vivre'' et à recyclé.
Le Costa Rica est un pays riche où même à double du prix c'est abordable.
Pura Vida!
Michel
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A long-time member, or even a new one, asks a question. They get one or more answers, some brief, some detailed, and then... nothing???
Not even a simple thank you!!!
From what I’ve gathered, if the answers don’t align with what they wanted to hear, it seems natural for the asker to just disappear!! 😕 Unless—(and I fear this is the case)—basic politeness is no longer part of our society????
Please forgive my little rant.
Wishing everyone all the best. Cheers,
Puma2A

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I spent 3 weeks in Bali last summer (+ 3 nights on Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java). So I wanted to see what ChatGPT could suggest for comparison...
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Here’s the prompt I gave:
"You’re a local expert guide for Bali.
- Plan a 20-day itinerary for Bali with a side trip to Gili Meno and a day trip to Kawah Ijen in Java without staying overnight.
- I’m traveling with my wife, and I love visiting historical sites, hiking, relaxing at the beach, snorkeling, and exploring rice terraces...
- For the duration of the stay, I don’t want more than 8 places to sleep, and I’d like to stay at least 2 days at each stop to avoid unpacking too often. Except for the last night, where I’m okay with just one night near the airport.
- I prefer neighborhoods that are walkable and try to avoid typical tourist traps, though I don’t want to miss the must-see spots. So suggest a mix of iconic sites and hidden gems.
- Recommend hotels or guesthouses with a budget of 50 to 100 € per night, including breakfast. Make suggestions in areas popular with travelers, specifying the vibe (I prefer quiet), and consider safety and proximity to attractions.
- For lunch and dinner, suggest two to three restaurants that are well-rated by customers.
- Give me a day-by-day program with details on travel times, visiting times for each point of interest, and recommendations for transportation (taxi, train, bike, etc.). Estimate the total cost of the trip, including accommodations, food, transportation, and activities, and suggest two tips for saving money in each category.
- Don’t make anything up—be realistic about travel times, take into account the opening dates and hours of sites, and give me the entry fees for places to visit.
- Ask me all the questions until you’re 95% sure you understand what’s being asked. Don’t generate your response until you’ve understood."
The AI asked for a few clarifications:
"Great request—I can build you a really optimized and enjoyable itinerary, but to be 95% sure I hit the mark, I need a few key clarifications (this will really influence the pace, areas, and accommodations)."
In the end, it proposed a program very close to what we actually did. I’ll skip its accommodation and restaurant suggestions...
Its proposal:
"Ubud (4 nights) => we did 5 nights Sidemen (2 nights) Amed (3 nights) => we’d planned 2 nights Gili Meno (3 nights) => we did Gili between Sidemen and Amed Munduk (3 nights) => we did 2 nights before Pemuteran Pemuteran (3 nights) with Ijen => we did 4 nights Sanur (2 nights + 1 last night) => we chose Jatiluwih instead of Sanur
It suggested "activities" (and accommodations too):
IN UBUD: - Walk around central Ubud (1–2h) - Campuhan Ridge Walk - Tegalalang Rice Terrace - Tirta Empul - Gunung Kawi - Massage / market / slow café
IN SIDEMEN: - Rice terrace hike (2–3h) - Cooking class
IN AMED: - Snorkeling - Japanese Shipwreck - Beach + relaxation - Volcano sunset
ON GILI: - Snorkeling at Gili Meno Turtle Point, Nest Underwater Statues
IN MUNDUK: - Jungle & waterfall hike - Munduk Waterfall + Melanting Waterfall - Loop: 3–4h (perfect for your level) - Ulun Danu Bratan Temple - Twin Lakes
IN PEMUTERAN - Snorkeling: Menjangan Island
For Kawah Ijen, it detailed the day well: 👍 from Pemuteran = best possible option 12 PM: leave hotel (we left at 10 PM) 1 PM: ferry 3 PM: arrival in Java + transfer 11 PM: start ascent 2 AM–6 AM: volcano Return to Bali around 11 AM–12 PM (we got back at 4 PM) 👍 still very intense, but doable with an agency 💰 ~80–120 €/person all-inclusive
IN SANUR: - Relaxation - Quiet beach - Proximity to airport (30 min)"
BUDGET: "3,000 – 3,900 € for 2 people" (We paid 3,200 €)
In conclusion, it’s not (yet) enough, but it’s (already) pretty impressive!
Hello everyone,
I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’m sharing the menu posted at the entrance of a bar at the foot of the Porto Tower in Southern Corsica. . .
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.Greetings and have a great Sunday.
Puma2A . .

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I’ve kept the habit of blowing my nose in the sink and then washing my hands—a custom I picked up in India. Sometimes, non-travelers are shocked when they catch me in the act... 🤪
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
Also, when I run out of toilet paper, it doesn’t bother me—unless I’ve got company over... 🤪
Just got back from walking a friend’s dog (while they’re on vacation), wearing a djellaba and Tibetan boots... 😏😏😏 Oh, for sure, if I’d run into locals, I probably would’ve shocked them? 😏
Anyway, as long as I’m not spitting on the floor at a restaurant or squatting on the side of a highway with a water bottle in hand...
Do you bring back customs from your travels?
After taking a little trip around the world, I came back a few months ago with an idea in mind.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
I mostly do diving, and I love observing animals in their natural habitat without disturbing them.
During the trip, I realized it was quite complicated to know where and when to see certain species.
For example:
where to dive with sharks or manta rays where you might get a chance to swim with whales
I even discovered thresher sharks during my trip… I didn’t even know this species existed before, even though they’re incredible to see.
We spent a ton of time searching for info all over the place, especially on social media, without ever getting a clear picture.
So I started putting all this together on my own, in the form of a map, to make it easier to visualize where to go depending on the seasons.
I recently put a first version online (it’s called Fauneya). There are probably mistakes, inconsistencies, or things to improve, and that’s partly why I’m posting here.
I’d really love to know how you all go about planning this kind of trip.
As part of my Master’s thesis, I’m currently conducting a public survey on a topic that concerns all of us when planning a trip: artificial intelligence and the role of human contact in travel planning.
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
These days, we’re using more and more digital tools to find ideas, compare options, and book trips... but is the role of human advisors still essential? At what moments? And for what types of trips?
The survey is anonymous and takes about 7 minutes.
It’s aimed at anyone who travels (or has traveled) for leisure, whether you plan everything yourself or go through an agency.
Survey link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkmBzW2QOE3_ZirhmdG8e2LQyaWLJxWUeyTR0LzpC8ytlufQ/viewform
Your response will be a huge help for my work and will contribute to a broader reflection on the future of the travel experience.
Thanks in advance to everyone who takes the time to participate!!
While browsing the forum to gather info for my upcoming trip to Thailand, I often see the terms "traveler," "great traveler," and also "tourist"—so what’s the nuance for you?
I've traveled quite a bit in Vietnam over the past few years—from the southern delta to bustling cities and even some small islands—but what really sticks with me is the north, the high mountains.
Up there, there's something different—maybe slower, more raw. The morning markets with ethnic groups, women in traditional clothes, the colors...
The stilt houses, kids following you and laughing for no reason, the terraced rice fields—it almost feels unreal at times, so vast and quiet, yet so human and simple.
You often hear that Sapa has become too touristy, and that's partly true, especially in the center. But as soon as you move a little farther away, everything changes quickly. The landscapes open up, encounters feel more natural, and you rediscover something truly authentic.
I think it's that contrast that struck me—the difference between what you imagine before going and what you actually discover when you take the time.
And you—what memory do you hold onto from Vietnam? A particular place that touched you more than others?
Hello,
We’re finalizing the plans for our upcoming trip to China in May 2025. The second-to-last stop will be in Zhangjiajie, where we’ve planned to stay for 2 full days before heading to Shanghai.
We’re traveling solo using local transport and have arranged to stay in the city of Zhangjiajie.
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
We’ve seen that there’s a lot to see: Tianmen Mountain, the Grand Canyon and the glass bridge, Zhangjiajie National Park, and that the sites are quite far apart with fairly expensive entry fees. We’re thinking of dedicating one day to the national park and the Grand Canyon (glass bridge) and one day to Tianmen Mountain. But we’re not sure if this plan is realistic—any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Do you know if it’s possible to get around on our own, or is it better to go through a local agency or book a package like the one sold by TravelChinaGuide? https://www.travelchinaguide.com/package/zhangjiajie/2days-tour.htm
Thanks in advance for your advice! Alod
Hello 🙂
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
I should be serving a warming drink to the participants in the discussion about gardens and parks that provide us with beautiful photos, I could mention the delicious buttery scent wafting from bakeries in the thread about returning to France, but my heart, its powerful pulse that nourishes my entire being, is elsewhere.
Dasht-e Lut, Yazd, Esfahan, Bam, Kerman, Qeshm, Hormuz—a melody, a prayer at the heart of desire.
A dream, an unattainable fantasy? No. Not anymore. A very serious Italian travel agency is organizing this trip for 6 people this winter. I’m signed up, I’m going, I’m living. Maybe.
"But you’re completely crazy!!!!"
I know... I know that every civilization, every society has a vital need to create scapegoats to define and justify itself, pathetically. And Iran is one of them, top of the list. I laugh or sigh, and it doesn’t bother me.
But that unchanging red, deep red and garnet, so beautiful in itself, in all the Western chancelleries repeats, whispers, shouts: don’t go, don’t go, don’t go, you’re putting yourself in danger and we can’t do anything for you. You’ll be turned into mere bargaining chips, into arguments for endless negotiations. Fear must be instilled, its power absolutely preserved, no concessions made to the enemy. The information (how many French hostages, real or fake, compared to the number of travelers?) is always lacking.
Traveling becomes a merciless confrontation between desire, the vital pulse, and anxiety, its ghosts.
Catherine
Hi everyone, here’s our itinerary. Arriving on the evening of December 13th. Departing on January 7th.
Thanks in advance for your tips and valuable feedback.
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Manila – 1 night Coron – 4 nights Coron to El Nido cruise – 2 nights El Nido – 4 nights Port Barton – 5 nights Flight from Puerto Princesa to Vigan Vigan – 2 nights Sagada – 2 nights Banaue – 2 nights Bagabag – 1 night Manila – 1 night I’ve only booked the flight to Manila and the Manila/Coron flight so far. Is it possible to book boat trips, accommodations, and the Puerto Princesa flight last-minute?
Thanks in advance. Florence
Really disappointed with Costa Rica! Pura vida? The scam of the century!
(Costa Rica pure emptiness).
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
The country where animals are free and people are in cages. 3 weeks in December in this country and never again. Imagine the trailer of a movie that seems interesting, and when you go see it, you realize it’s a flop and the best moments were in the trailer. Well, that’s exactly how we felt with Costa Rica pure emptiness. My wife and I have traveled quite a bit and didn’t expect to be so wrong about a place. On the main routes, we visited: San José Alajuela Limón, Cahuita, Puerto Viejo, Manzanillo (Caribbean side) Jaco, Quepos, Manuel Antonio (Pacific side) And a few short stops in intermediate towns.
Our dissatisfaction grew gradually like this:
When we arrived at the hotel, the taxi dropped us off on a small street in front of a white metal gate with ground-floor windows barred. We looked at it skeptically, but the sign matched. He approached the gate, rang the bell, the buzzer sounded, and the door opened slightly. The hotel wasn’t bad for the price, a 10-minute walk from downtown, but with a "Fleury-Mérogis" vibe guaranteed.
So far, so good.
After showering and regaining our bearings, we headed downtown. What started to unsettle us on the way was seeing houses with bars on the ground-floor windows and even on the second floor. At first, we thought the hotel’s neighborhood wasn’t great.
Downtown San José: It’s a generic city, not very exotic, with a pedestrian street and a small mercado where you can eat local food without frills. Very few tourists—if any—which let you blend in with the locals. We had lunch and struggled to make ourselves understood because, aside from one or two shops, English wasn’t spoken. On the way back to the hotel, we took a different route, and while chatting and strolling, my wife pointed out a beautiful two-story white house completely barricaded like Fort Knox. From that moment, we started noticing the facades of houses and buildings, and wow, it was creepy—most looked like prisons, some even with barbed wire. Though put off, we told ourselves it was probably a big-city thing and the rest of the country couldn’t be like this.
So far, so good.
We relaxed at the hotel and had a drink at the bar. Night falls early, around 5:30 PM. By 7:30 PM, we headed back downtown for dinner. A bit unsettling for a capital—downtown was almost deserted, and aside from fast-food chains, very few restaurants were open, with hardly anyone on the streets. Bars with security guards out front. I won’t say we felt unsafe that night, but once it got dark, we realized the bars on the windows weren’t for nothing. First day in, and our impression was already mixed.
The next day, we explored the city and surroundings, and our feelings didn’t change.
So far, so good.
Off to Cahuita by bus—4 hours of travel. The landscapes are very green but quickly become monotonous. The road runs alongside the forest and passes through a few towns and villages, and even in the countryside, there were just as many prison-like houses. The bus dropped us off at Cahuita’s terminal station—only four of us got off. It’s a village, or rather, a small town. Cahuita is basically one straight road and a perpendicular one, and honestly, doubt started to creep in. A few restaurants that add 13% tax and 10% service charge—so 23% extra. We dropped our stuff at the hotel and went to explore. In 20 minutes, we’d seen it all. We had lunch and planned to check out the famous park. Entry is by donation—well, the "entry" is a joke. There’s a path along the forest by the sea, and that’s it.
Nothing’s going right anymore.
We thought it was a total scam, but since we hadn’t gone far, we decided to come back the next day to explore further. We returned to the hotel, relaxed, and around 8:00 PM, we went out for dinner. Only two restaurants were open, and the streets were deserted.
Creepy!
The next day, we explored the so-called park more thoroughly and really got it. A path along the forest by the sea—2 hours there and 2 hours back, where you see animals that feel like showing their faces. A total joke—"all that for this?"
The beach was full of wood debris and coconut husks. We wondered if the photos online were edited because the sea, very rough, wasn’t the azure blue we’d seen in pictures. But calling this a park is a joke—it’s like a new concept.
When we thought about the reviews online, we started to suspect that professionals with interests in the country were monitoring and countering any negative feedback that could harm their business. Too bad we didn’t check the negative reviews beforehand—we did while we were there, and it helped. We wondered if we’d become too demanding after all our travels, but no—when something’s bad, it’s bad.
Manuel Antonio’s park is even more ridiculous—there’s a short path along the sea for about 500 meters, and then nothing. You have to climb through mud and hack your way through the forest. We ended up barefoot because the mud was up to our calves. All that to see a raccoon and a few parrots flying overhead.
We didn’t expect Noah’s Ark, but we’ve seen more animals in Bali, Mexico, and Thailand while visiting temples or just walking around than in these so-called parks!
Puerto Viejo, not far from Cahuita and supposedly livelier—well, it couldn’t be worse! According to Lonely Planet, it had a Caribbean vibe and wild nights, but maybe that was a long time ago. The good reggae music playing everywhere isn’t enough.
In the evening, Puerto Viejo was a bit livelier than Cahuita, but that’s not saying much. Very few tourists—if any—no night market, just two or three shops open selling $20 T-shirts. Same vibe as San José.
No big deal—we enjoyed the beach and the sun, which was reliable. Our itinerary was supposed to include Tortuguero Park, but after talking to other travelers who’d just been, we changed our minds, knowing we’d be visiting Manuel Antonio Park on the Pacific side.
To get back to the Pacific side, you have to take the bus and go through San José again—5 hours this time—then switch bus terminals and another 4.5 hours to Quepos. A stopover town to get to Manuel Antonio’s beach and park! A town just like the others we’d seen—deserted as soon as the sun sets, and not exactly bustling during the day either. (Where are all the tourists?)
Still as many bars on the windows and that feeling of being in the wrong place.
7 km later: Manuel Antonio beach and park. The beach is very beautiful and quite large, but don’t expect turquoise blue water—the waves stir up the sand, giving the water a brownish color. Along the beach, shops and restaurants for about 300 meters, and then nothing. At night, after sunset, the town shuts down too.
Manuel Antonio Park is highly praised for its wildlife, so we were eager to see it. When you express dissatisfaction with Cahuita or Manzanillo parks, the response is always, "But you should’ve gone to Monteverde or Manuel Antonio!" No matter what you do or say, they’ll tell you, "You should’ve gone there or here."
Back to our famous park—entry was about $16, and contrary to what we’d heard, it wasn’t crowded! Guides at the entrance with spotting scopes offered their services for about $30. The park: a mix of boardwalk and dirt paths through the forest, sometimes running alongside beautiful coves and beaches. As soon as we entered, a crowd was taking photos of a deer eating leaves. A little further on, a guide with a group of five stopped. The guide raised his arm and set up his spotting scope! He showed them, about 100 meters away, a hummingbird perched on a branch. Some, looking through the scope, exclaimed, "Oh my God! Amazing! Incredible!" For a moment, we thought they’d discovered a unicorn or were in Jurassic Park and had just crossed paths with a T-Rex! The concept is comical—looking at a bird or another animal through a spotting scope because it’s too far away. Isn’t that what TV is for? For our part, we saw monkeys, ants, an armadillo, an iguana, and the backside of a sloth climbing a tree. Amazing, incredible!
We stayed a few days in Manuel Antonio to enjoy the beach, changing hotels often because prices varied wildly from one day to the next for shameful services. On top of that, they’d quote a price in dollars and convert it at their discretion—thieves!
Alajuela, a city near the airport, has a two-story mall and a local market downtown! No interest except its proximity to the airport.
What we liked:
The climate and, in hindsight, San José—the most authentic city we visited.
What we didn’t like, in addition to what we’ve already mentioned:
Costa Ricans aren’t very friendly or communicative. English is barely spoken, not even by doctors at Quepos Hospital, where my wife ended up with food poisoning (thanks, Google Translate). The widespread obesity among Costa Ricans, who eat like Americans. The insecurity. The eco-hipsters who leave their $150 lodges in minivans with guides to visit parks and other sites, then return to barricade themselves in their fortresses at nightfall (oh my God, amazing, incredible). The blue signs at the entrance of towns that accept this payment method: "We accept American Express." Parking lots that become paid just because a guy is watching your car. Prices displayed in dollars. The cost of living (hotels, restaurants, taxes). Landscapes that are too green and not flowery enough. Beaches—nothing exceptional. Pollution in cities where big American trucks rule. Sewage dumped directly into the sea. Aside from the jungle, there’s nothing to visit—no ruins, monuments, or anything worth seeing.
In short, my wife and I think the hype about this supposedly eco-friendly country is overrated. It’s just the trendy destination of the moment. There are much better, cheaper, and more authentic places. In hindsight, we keep the good memories and our beautiful photos, but if we had to do it over...
Before signing off, a little message to those who don’t like hearing opinions different from theirs: Well, some things aren’t up for debate. And to those who’d have us believe that in 3 weeks, we don’t have the right to criticize a country or express our feelings—how can you praise it in so little time? What a scam. Costa Rica is a money pit. Pura vida? Pure cosmic emptiness.
If you like spending your evenings barricaded in your cozy hotel after dark, this country is for you. For everyone else: run!
Hello,
Since the war between Russia and Ukraine, nothing is simple anymore for traveling to Belarus due to sanctions.
No more direct flights from the EU to Minsk.
Driving is a huge hassle, especially crossing through Poland at the only open border in Brest—you can wait 2, 3, or even 4 days just to get through by car.
The least painful driving option is to come via Lithuania and cross at the only open border, with a minimum wait time of 8 hours, sometimes up to 20 hours or more!!
Controls are very strict and annoying on both the Lithuanian and Belarusian sides. Avoid bringing alcohol, food, or cigarettes—everything will end up in the trash, especially when leaving Belarus for Vilnius, where the Lithuanians are tough, even with EU citizens.
The joy I once knew when visiting my wife in Minsk is sadly over—it’s now a real ordeal.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
The fastest solution is to fly. My wife travels to France by taking a bus to Kaunas in Lithuania, where you can catch a flight (though not daily) to Paris Beauvais or Charleroi in Belgium with Ryanair, for example. For the return trip, it’s the same: a flight to Kaunas and then a direct bus from the airport to Minsk. The bus crossing is quicker than driving—the 250 km journey, including border checks, takes about 6 to 8 hours for buses leaving Lithuania around midnight, but controls are still strict at the border. The biggest challenge is finding flight schedules that align with the bus routes between the two countries, given the unpredictable border crossing times. Now, my wife travels via Charleroi in Belgium (near Brussels), and you can take a train to Paris. Alternatively, you can fly into Beauvais and take a bus to Paris (Porte Maillot). For those driving, note that EU insurance and assistance policies no longer work in Belarus or Russia. You’ll need to get local insurance, usually limited to third-party liability (I don’t think full coverage exists?), as well as mandatory medical insurance. This is available at the border. You now have to pay highway tolls—no more BELTOLL boxes. Instead, you pay a flat fee for the duration of your stay. Stop at the first gas station after crossing from Lithuania to fill up on fuel and cigarettes. From what I know, Lithuania bans carrying more than 60 € in cash, but there’s no limit for USD (though it’s capped at $10,000??). With a Visa card, you can now withdraw 1,000 rubles per week (about 270 €)—two months ago, it was only 500 rubles!! For now, you can still pay by card in shops and gas stations. However, major retailers like KORONA (which may be Russian-owned??) no longer accept foreign Visa cards. Unfortunately, the additional sanctions announced by the U.S. on August 5, 2025, against Russia—and possibly Belarus—aren’t promising for the future. After 20 years of visiting Belarus, I’m truly saddened to see the joy of living in this country with my wonderful wife turn into such a bleak situation, all because of human folly.
Hi everyone!
I’m putting together our travel itinerary for Veneto at the end of April. And the more I look and research potential sites to visit, the more I find!
We’ll only be there for a week—my family and I—including 3 days in Venice. So we have to make some choices...
I plan to rent a car when we arrive in Venice and head straight to Bergamo, which would be our first stop. We’d leave the car at the airport when we return to Venice so we can explore the city at our leisure.
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
What do you think: 1 night in Bergamo (a 2h15 drive from Venice airport), 1 night in Garda, 1 night in Verona, 1 in Padua, and 3 in Venice—would that be doable?
Thanks in advance for your tips and experiences! :)
Now that the curtain has fallen on the past year, it’s time to see what’s happening around here.
It seems pretty quiet, but I’ll read more in detail later.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
First, I need to tell you all an anecdote.
My eldest little girl, in her third year of law school, was really scared she wouldn’t pass the year. I told her: “Trust yourself, you’ve worked so hard, and worst case, if you fail, you’ll just redo the year.” “But I don’t think I’ll make it—they changed the rules, and if I mess up even one unit, I have to start all over.” I knew her grades weren’t exactly stellar, and with what I was about to say, I wasn’t taking much of a risk. “Here’s the deal, sweetheart: if you pass, I promise I’ll take you to India, just the two of us.” I have to admit, India is a country I’ve talked about so much to all my grandchildren that in their minds, it’s become a magical, mythical place (hmm).
July had barely begun when my phone rang, her name flashing on the screen. “Mamido, I did it!” My promise came rushing back—oh no, oh no, oh no! “Congratulations, sweetheart!” A little shyly, she said: “Is the India trip still on?”
And me, replying: “Of course it is!”
And that’s that—a promise is a promise, or you risk losing that precious trust that keeps hearts warm and at peace.
We’re leaving in February. Only 8 days—yikes, the carbon footprint! But we can’t miss her tutorials, or she’ll be kicked out. Personally, that works just fine for me.
Going to India has become a challenge for me. It’s far, it’s exhausting, I sweat, I hate mosquitoes, the spices bother my mouth when I used to love them. There’s noise all the time—at night, the dogs bark nonstop, and we almost get run over. I’ll get lost in the streets because my sense of direction has vanished. I don’t like rice anymore. All that chaos and those cultural differences that once enchanted me now just overwhelm me. But I promised.
The upside—and it’s a big one—Raman, the same driver I’ve had forever, will be at the airport with a sign with our names. We’ll stop at the same little shop for chai (or tea, plain and simple) with that aroma that intoxicates me, halfway through the trip.
It’ll be a tiny trip—staying with friends, I’ll show her a few places I love: Chidambaram, Mamallapuram, and the clinic where I worked. Then we’ll head back. My little girl will go home to her parents.
As for me, I’ll leave right away for our Scottish island with Homme for our chilly winter.
How can you love a country so much you want to live there, then suddenly reject it, no longer able to appreciate what once made it special? That’s the mystery of love, I guess.
I’ve visited the U.S. four times myself, including two long road trips. The last one was just this past August...
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
I won’t be going back. I already felt guilty last August, but recent policies have finally convinced me: the humiliation of Zelensky, authoritarian excesses, Gestapo-like methods for detaining people of foreign origin, the murder of innocent people (a mother shot dead), corruption, insane "tariffs," skyrocketing healthcare costs for Americans, the abduction of foreign figures to secure oil, the requirement to disclose social media accounts, and now... threats and blackmail to forcibly take Greenland—a region that belongs to Denmark and thus the European Union!
The reality is that simply posting this could get me denied entry to the U.S.!
In this context, I just can’t keep spending money there. I loved my trips, but there are so many other countries with stunning landscapes to explore.
So I get why you’d want to travel there. I did, and I loved it. But once a country no longer respects any of the values that made us love it, why go?
How can we even consider traveling to a country that threatens to take one of our territories by force?
Hi there,
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
While reading some travel journals, I notice that we always reflect on the people of the countries we visit.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on which people charmed you the most during your travels?
I’m not looking for controversy, just reflections and personal feelings. Looking forward to reading your replies...
Hello everyone,
Controversial topic? Not necessarily—maybe just a reflection on a world to come.
I spent the last 15 days of August on a cruise in Greenland, from Kangerlussuaq to Tasiilaq.
I was utterly amazed by this unique world of rock and ice, the little houses in every color, a simple life that’s also complicated by isolation and climate, among other things...
I carry in my heart the kindness of the people I met, the raw and gentle majesty of the icebergs, the colors of the sky...
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,
So, I can’t even imagine a massive presence of raw material prospectors, heavy machinery requiring roads to be built—if that’s even possible—changing their way of life... putting sled dogs out to pasture!
Do fast food and Greenland’s northern lights really mix?
I wouldn’t trade my memories for an ESTA!
All opinions are respectable, which is why this isn’t a controversy—but I’m sorry, I have a soft spot for *my* Greenland.
Best regards,

Hello to all East Africa lovers and nature enthusiasts in general,
While I prepare to share a recap of our latest trip/safari in Kenya soon, I’d like to wish you all a peaceful transition between 2025 and 2026.
Warm regards,
Puma2A.





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We’re a couple aged 58 and 63. We’ve just returned from a wonderful trip to South India in Tamil Nadu and a few days in Kerala. We traveled with a local French-speaking guide and his friend, the driver. They both live in Pondicherry. We spent 3 weeks with them in the most authentic way!
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
We covered just over 2,500 km and visited not only temples but also archaeological sites, museums, and small artisanal businesses making tiles, tea, sculptures, bronze, and silk spinning. We were lucky enough to visit a public school, attend a wedding, and even a death announcement in a small countryside village. We were fully immersed in the culture, food, noise, and colors—it was incredible!
The hotels and guesthouses we chose were very clean and mostly quiet. We’re returning from India with amazing discoveries!
We’re happy to share more info if you’d like! M-Claire and Jean
This catchy and somewhat mysterious title comes from several questions I’ve been asking myself.
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
VF has been back open for a reasonable number of weeks and months now. The number of visitors overall matches past averages, but the number of members online in the last 24 hours seems relatively lower than what we used to see.
Yet, to my surprise, I’m seeing fewer travel journals, way fewer messages, and way fewer questions. I don’t see many new registered users online, and I notice a number of members who are logged in but either aren’t participating or have stopped participating.
Something’s not adding up for me because, in my opinion, VF is still appealing, and I don’t see which other sites could really compete.
Was there a real break between pre- and post-Covid? Does it just take more time for some people to discover the site or learn that it’s active again? Do people now prefer quick consumption on sites like FB or others I’m not familiar with? Where have the site’s old-timers gone, and what are they doing with their time now? What’s really going on here?
Hi there,
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
This isn’t exactly a traveler’s question... I’d like to know who handles the technical side of this forum?
I run a similar forum on a different topic (unrecognized children), and we’re dealing with a few technical issues that are slowly killing our forum... so I’d have one or two questions to ask 😊.
Also, I was wondering who created this forum... who the administrators or moderators are, etc.
I think this forum is great. Much better than Facebook, which I’ve been using since it shut down (so I’m happy to see it’s working again...)
Hi there, I’ve been traveling for 18 years now, at least 6 months a year, and as the years go by, I actually enjoy coming back to France more and more—a feeling I struggled with at first. I mean, we always think the grass is greener elsewhere.
But in the end, I find meaning in that saying about how there’s no place like home. I still love traveling just as much, but now my trips are shorter, and I enjoy spending more time in our beautiful country, even though I don’t hesitate to criticize it.
How about you? How do you handle coming back from your travels?
A few years ago, I went with a group of friends to lend a hand at a small rural school near Thiès, Senegal.
It was a relaxed but hardworking atmosphere—hands in the mortar, laughter, exchanges, and everything that a COOPERATION project can bring.
Today, the little project is flying on its own.
Wanting to explore Senegal’s riches, we set off for some tourism in the Siné Saloum. One girl in our group fell ill (a malaria attack), and we decided to take her to see a doctor at a large tourist complex nearby. Despite her condition, we had to "show our credentials" (if I may say so) just to get in. She was treated and has been fine since.
This "stop" at a Club Med-style resort with a Teutonic twist—resembling Le Grau-du-Roi but fancier—was a horror show for us: pools, massive artificial basins dyed blue, pink, or green (!!!!), animators shouting around wet T-shirt contests or coconut tree climbing, and sunburned (or sun-pinked) *toubabs*. The entire hotel was surrounded by a huge wall, behind which a small souvenir-seller slum had sprung up, worthy of Dakar’s outer neighborhoods. On leaving, we saw a minibus of guests returning from an "excursion," loaded with masks, fabrics, and djembés—African souvenirs? Maybe those will be *theirs*? What impression did the kids clustered at the hotel gates get? What about the Black servers in "traditional African costumes," serving cocktails and ice cream nonstop?
For me, who experienced Africa very young and in the bush, this remains a haunting image.
On VF, this kind of vacation doesn’t seem to be the norm among users, and that’s exactly why I signed up.
Have you ever experienced this kind of interstellar travel? Do you understand the Martians? Are their motivations peaceful?
Wanting to explore Senegal’s riches, we set off for some tourism in the Siné Saloum. One girl in our group fell ill (a malaria attack), and we decided to take her to see a doctor at a large tourist complex nearby. Despite her condition, we had to "show our credentials" (if I may say so) just to get in. She was treated and has been fine since.
This "stop" at a Club Med-style resort with a Teutonic twist—resembling Le Grau-du-Roi but fancier—was a horror show for us: pools, massive artificial basins dyed blue, pink, or green (!!!!), animators shouting around wet T-shirt contests or coconut tree climbing, and sunburned (or sun-pinked) *toubabs*. The entire hotel was surrounded by a huge wall, behind which a small souvenir-seller slum had sprung up, worthy of Dakar’s outer neighborhoods. On leaving, we saw a minibus of guests returning from an "excursion," loaded with masks, fabrics, and djembés—African souvenirs? Maybe those will be *theirs*? What impression did the kids clustered at the hotel gates get? What about the Black servers in "traditional African costumes," serving cocktails and ice cream nonstop?
For me, who experienced Africa very young and in the bush, this remains a haunting image.
On VF, this kind of vacation doesn’t seem to be the norm among users, and that’s exactly why I signed up.
Have you ever experienced this kind of interstellar travel? Do you understand the Martians? Are their motivations peaceful?





