Merci à ceux qui répondent au sujet. Sachez que je lis toutes les réponses et les prend en considération (si ces dernières n'ont pas seulement un but ironique... Les petits malins, vous pouvez passer votre chemin, vos remarques ne m'intéressent pas)
Pour mettre un terme à certaines critiques finement placées, si je recherche le côté authentique de la Thaïlande, ce n'est aucunement afin de me placer comme un occidental (bien que je le sois) face aux différents peuples de Thaïlande, mais bien pour apprendre à connaître leur mode de vie. Chose que j'ai pu faire dans certains pays certainement plus développés au niveau rural que la Thaïlande, mais je ne connaissais pas la langue du pays, et j'ai pu tout de même communiquer à travers des gestes...
Enfin bref, si certaines personnes ne comprennent pas cette envie, qu'ils passent leur chemin, je n'ai rien à gagner à leur expliquer mes motivations.
juste une question c'est qui authentique pour toi? car pour moi un home d'affaire thai un paysan un bonze un un intellectuel c'est authentique , , , , , en 2 mots tout thai est authentique , , même celui qui travaille 10 h pour macdonald , ,
alors ou est la thailande authentique > ??
je diras que c'est un faux débat , , , , , , , , , 🤪
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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juste une question c'est qui authentique pour toi? car pour moi un home d'affaire thai un paysan un bonze un un intellectuel c'est authentique , , , , , en 2 mots tout thai est authentique , , même celui qui travaille 10 h pour macdonald , ,
alors ou est la thailande authentique > ??
je diras que c'est un faux débat , , , , , , , , , 🤪
Bonjour Thuan,
C'est très clair,
+1
"Quand l'injustice devient loi, la rébellion devient devoir. " Thomas Jefferson
« Le doute est l’apanage des gens intelligents, les cons n’ont que des certitudes »
(Alain Leblay)
Ben, en plus j'ajouterais que la Thaïlande a déjà "mille sourires", alors
elle a (au moins) autant de visages ...
🙂
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
Oui je suis désolé, le terme authentique est certainement mal utilisé. Je ne sais pas si je peut dire : Thaïlande rurale? Je ne sais pas si se serais mieux adapté.
Pour exprimer ma pensé clairement, j'ai eu des échos me disant que les Thaï dans les endroits touristiques ne peuvent plus voir les étranger, où profitent un maximum d'eux. Et j'aimerais avoir la chance de faire des rencontres avec des Thaï (que j'ai qualifié d'authentiques), qui ne sont pas envahis par des milliers de touristes tout les jours.
Je ne sais pas si je me suis bien exprimé, car vraisemblablement le fait d'avoir utilisé le mot "Authentique" est une source de pseudo conflit. En tout les cas ça n'a pas l'air de plaire à tout le monde, et je tiens à m'excuser pour ça.
La plupart des hommes étrangers qui connaissent la "Thailande profonde" (à définir, comme déjà indiqué, parce qu'une petite tailleuse de vêtements sur un trottoir de BKK a une vie tout aussi "authentique"!) en dehors des guides ont bien souvent simplement suivi leurs compagnes sur leurs terres natales.
Que ce soit devenu ensuite leur "mode de vie", c'est la suite de leur histoire, pas forcément le début.
Ca correspondait d'ailleurs sans doute à une motivation enfouie au fond d'eux-mêmes et qui s'est révélée.
Effectivement ça devrait clarifier ta requête.
Cependant dis-toi bien une chose avec 10 à 12 millions de touristes par an, y a pas beaucoup d'endroits qui n'ont pas été visités par l'homme blanc.😉
Et pour le Thai moyen, on représente... de l'argent. Ne te fais pas trop d'illusions sur la nature des relations que tu avoir sur place, tu risquerais d'être déçu. Il y aura dans 99% des cas un rapport d'argent. Après avec un peu de chance...
Pour ce genre de voyage, il faut peut être mieux effectivement essayer le Laos ou le Cambodge. J'ai peur que le rapport qu'ont les Thais à l'argent te déçoive.
c'était ma contribution à 2 balles...
Non très bonne contribution, ça clarifie bien des choses...
Je dirais que c'est dommage, disons que si je ressens ça dans les début de mon voyage, il y a des chances qu'il se finisse en farniente au bord de l'eau (car je n'aurais plus aucune raison de vouloir connaître la population du pays). Enfin en verra bien directement là bas, je n'ai pas envie de partir avec une fausse idée en tête et déçu d'avance. 😉
Effectivement ça devrait clarifier ta requête.
Cependant dis-toi bien une chose avec 10 à 12 millions de touristes par an, y a pas beaucoup d'endroits qui n'ont pas été visités par l'homme blanc.😉
Et pour le Thai moyen, on représente... de l'argent. Ne te fais pas trop d'illusions sur la nature des relations que tu avoir sur place, tu risquerais d'être déçu. Il y aura dans 99% des cas un rapport d'argent. Après avec un peu de chance...
Pour ce genre de voyage, il faut peut être mieux effectivement essayer le Laos ou le Cambodge. J'ai peur que le rapport qu'ont les Thais à l'argent te déçoive.
c'était ma contribution à 2 balles...
Il y a en effet de fortes chances pour qu'on paye soi-même ses nuits d'hôtel, ses repas au resto, ses tickets de métro et ses achats au MBK.😉
Par contre pour les endroits pas encore visités par le farang, il y en a encore plein, et pour cause...
C'est un peu réducteur de dire qu'il y a un rapport l'argent dans 99% des cas, aux endroits dit touristique oui, peut être, parce que la plupart que tu croiseras seront des commerçants et donc forcément y'a rapport à l'argent puisqu'il chercheront à te vendre quelque chose. Mais ailleurs, dans une petite ville quelconque, des des villages où ils n'ont peut être jamais vu ou très peu de farang faut pas pousser non plus.
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C'est réducteur, je te l'accorde.
mais je crains qu'en Thailande, le tourisme ait atteint un tel niveau que j'ai du mal à imaginer (à tort ou à raison) qu'il reste beaucoup d'endroits où les touristes n'aient jamais mis les pieds, donc j'aurais tendance à dire que les chances de rencontre purement culturelle sont très très réduits par rapport à certains pays.
Pour info, la Thailande est visitée par 10-12 millions de personnes chaque année quand on en compte que 600000 au Srilanka. (je connais pas les chiffres du Cambodge et du LAos, c'est juste pour donner un ordre d'idée) avec une telle masse comprenant des touristes farniente et mais aussi des touristes en"quête spirituelle", il faut un sacré coup de bol pour être le premier Farang sur place.
Où tu vas concrètement en Thaïlande quand tu y viens en vacance ? 10-12 millions c'est certes beaucoup mais comme la plupart sont "massés" autour des même endroits cela laisse plein de place ! Y'a qu'à voir Bangkok ! Dès lors que tu va te perdre dans n'importe quel petite rue, aux bord des klongs tu croiseras rarement pour ne pas dire jamais un seul farang dans le coin !
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Celui qui pose une question risque cinq minutes d'avoir l'air bête. Celui qui ne pose pas de question restera bête toute sa vie.
La question que je me pose toujours sur ce type de sujet, c'est quel est le faux visage de la Thaïlande puis qu'il en existe apparemment un vrai?😎
"Le touriste apparait comme le principal agent de diffusion du mépris anti touristique. Plus le touriste se voit en miroir de l'autre, plus il le déteste".
eh ben personne ne va à Phuket ou a Pattaya mais tout le monde recherche la Tahilande authentique (sic.) loin des sentiers battus, alors :
- soit les posters de VF sont des extra terrestres
- soit c'est ce que tout le monde dit comme alibi culturel, mais au final on va tous aux mêmes endroits
- soit il y a vraiment le circuit classique des touristes et le circuit dorénavant tout aussi "classique" de ceux qui veulent fuir les touristes. Si tel est le cas, logiquement toute la Thailande devrait être envahie.
Tout ça est bien étrange...
re alors moi je suis pas d'accord sur le raport avec l'argant
si j'ai payer 2 bath de plus qu'un thai alors me faire avoir comme ca moi sa me va
pars contre je ne dirai pas la meme sur les farengs qui eu te coupe la gorge
cordialement
blonds1
que peux-tu me conseiller comme circuit de 3 semaines, du 16 août au 5 septembre?
stef
«J'ai besoin du loin. Revenir le coeur à l'envers, la tête ailleurs avec l'impression que personne ne nous comprend et repartir pour trouver des gens qui nous comprennent»
eh ben personne ne va à Phuket ou a Pattaya mais tout le monde recherche la Tahilande authentique (sic.) loin des sentiers battus, alors :
- soit les posters de VF sont des extra terrestres
- soit c'est ce que tout le monde dit comme alibi culturel, mais au final on va tous aux mêmes endroits
- soit il y a vraiment le circuit classique des touristes et le circuit dorénavant tout aussi "classique" de ceux qui veulent fuir les touristes. Si tel est le cas, logiquement toute la Thailande devrait être envahie.
Tout ça est bien étrange...
Ils ne sont en rien des extra terrestres, la Thaïlande reste un pays très grand ! c'est quand même pas la place qui manque pour voir de l'authentisme (qui est une notion assez flou c'est vrai), "on va tous au même endroits", parce que beaucoup n'ose pas ou ne se donne pas la peine d'aller voir ailleurs (sans être malpoli😇)
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Ca depend, tu pars en solo ou en famille ?
Tu aimes plutot la plage ou les temples ou le shopping ?
Je vais pas faire le faux c..., j'ai bien plusieurs temples et autres, mais j'ai pas trop fait la Thailande "authentique" que tout le monde recherche... que des endroits très visités. Mais j'ai adoré
Il y aura dans 99% des cas un rapport d'argent. Après avec un peu de chance...
Pour ce genre de voyage, il faut peut être mieux effectivement essayer le Laos ou le Cambodge. J'ai peur que le rapport qu'ont les Thais à l'argent te déçoive.
Bonsoir,
Je ne partage pas ton avis sur le Cambodge.
Le comportement des cambodgiens est odieux. L'élite friquée (je n'ai jamais autant vu de Lexus grand luxe comme à Phnom-Penh de ma vie) est sans morale, corrompue, machiste.
Exemples:
restaurant dans un hôtel fréquenté par des locaux, maître d'hôtel ancien rouge parlant français, une estrade et à 21H00, orchestre et chanteuses, une table de 7 à 8 locaux, arme à la ceinture, qui distribuaient aux chanteuse des billets de 100 US$ à condition qu'elles boivent cul sec un verre de 2dl de whisky sous les applaudissement des autres clients mâles. Je te laisse deviner la suite.
Angkor croule sous le fric des organisations internationales et nationales. Les chantiers n'avancent pas, les enfants y mendient, de grandes zones sont encore minées, mais les responsables politiques locaux ont belles voitures et belles maisons.
Selon les routes que tu emprunte, un barrage de gens, pas la police ni l'armée, des gens. Pour continuer tu paie et le pauvre chauffeur de tuck-tuck est complètement désemparé parce-que tu refuse de payer.
Un pays qui m'a véritablement écoeuré tellement est énorme le contraste entre l'élite et les masses laborieuse.
De 7 semaines que j'avais prévu d'y passer je n'y suis resté que 3 passées en grande partie à Angkor dont j'ai un souvenir lumineux.
"Quand l'injustice devient loi, la rébellion devient devoir. " Thomas Jefferson
« Le doute est l’apanage des gens intelligents, les cons n’ont que des certitudes »
(Alain Leblay)
C'est réducteur, je te l'accorde.
mais je crains qu'en Thailande, le tourisme ait atteint un tel niveau que j'ai du mal à imaginer (à tort ou à raison) qu'il reste beaucoup d'endroits où les touristes n'aient jamais mis les pieds, donc j'aurais tendance à dire que les chances de rencontre purement culturelle sont très très réduits par rapport à certains pays.
Pour info, la Thailande est visitée par 10-12 millions de personnes chaque année quand on en compte que 600000 au Srilanka. (je connais pas les chiffres du Cambodge et du LAos, c'est juste pour donner un ordre d'idée) avec une telle masse comprenant des touristes farniente et mais aussi des touristes en"quête spirituelle", il faut un sacré coup de bol pour être le premier Farang sur place.
En France par an...........65 millions de touristes......si on veut comparer.....comparons avec un pays de la même taille et le même peuplement que la Thaïlande....😉 Pas avec une île ou des pays hébergeant quelques millions d'habitants...
Tout le monde meurt, peu de gens vivent .
Je n'aime pas donner des réponses ... . Aujourd'hui, quand on donne aux gens des réponses, ils ont l'impression qu'on les prend pour des imbéciles et qu'on empiète sur leur liberté.
Mon testament philosophique
Citations de Jean Guitton
Salut
Finir ses vacances au bord de l'eau , sans avoir connu ma campagne.......
Alors j'en ai marre de ces discussions à la con, je t'ai envoyé un post hier soir sur mon 1er voyage en Thailande ou je te parlais de l'Isan et apparemment tu ne l'aurais pas reçu ou lu
Comme tu as 21 ans (l'age de mon fils) je t'invite chez moi à Lomsak, et te ferai visiter la
région jusqu'au Mékong. Je viens de faire la connaissance d'un Thailandais (marié avec une
ami de ma femme) qui va m'emener en montagne chez les Khomgs, ce Mr travaille pour le
gouvernement et s'occupe des Khmongs de Thailande, et cela je pense que ça t'interessera.
Sur le mois de mars je me suis farci : un enterrement, un mariage, un jeune qui rentrait au
temple, des coutumes que tu ne connais pas, et que tu ne verras pas ailleurs si tu n'es pas
introduit
Alors si ça te tente , réponds moi en privé, je te donnerai mes coordonnées
J'habite à 6h de bus de BGK (ligne directe)
A bientot
et de hummer au laos
pour te dire un jour a chang mai en plein ville je tombe sur un couple de francais perdue
mais perdue sous pretexte que le tuk tuk lui demander 10 bath de plus il a refuser
moi je me suis perdue aussi a chang mai il me demende 50 bath je lui donne 50 , non dans sa tete ses 40 baht et pas un de plus
cordialement
blonds1
je pars avec mon compagnon, c' est une 1ème pour nous, surtout le fait de voyager en sac à dos, je suis preneuse de tous tes conseils, je pense faire le schéma "classique" de BKK-Chang Mai et ses environs, faire de la moto dans des coins un peu retiré, surement faire un trek à dos d' éléphant (super authentique!!!!) LOL
Et puis, faire le sud mais du côté du golfe.
Entre les 2 destinations, je suis complètement paumée et je ne connais rien à tous points de vue (distance, temps et durée des trajets)
sache que je ne suis pas plage du tout, je m' ennuie très vite mais je dois voir ces merveilleuses plages!!!!!!
stef
«J'ai besoin du loin. Revenir le coeur à l'envers, la tête ailleurs avec l'impression que personne ne nous comprend et repartir pour trouver des gens qui nous comprennent»
Bangkok Chiang Mai, c'est 800-1000 kms, en tous les cas une nuit de bus ou une heure d'avion.
Si vous avez déjà vos dates, réservez vos billets sur Airasia dès à présent, vous aurez des super tarifs.
Phuket, c'est en gros la même distance par rapport à BKK mais dans l'autre sens.
Pour l'éléphant, moi aussi gros beauf que je suis je l'ai fait x fois, et là c'est partout : Chang mai, Phuket, Koh Samui...
Après, je pense pas être un super guide pour vous, à part Bangkok, je connais que la plage...
Mais plein de gens vont se faire un plaisir de vous répondre.
Ah ben voilà, ça explique pourquoi tu t'entête à penser que des coins vide de farang n'existe pas. Tout est une question de goût (donc je respecte ton choix de préférence) quand on veut on trouve.
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Christmi, j'ai bien lu ton message, et l'est pris en compte seulement je dispose de peu de temps en ce moment pour réfléchir de manière posée à tout ça (étant donné le nombre de réponse qu'on m'a apporté, mon avis change d'une réponse à l'autre).
Merci de ta proposition, je me ferais une joie de te contacter en mp pour te rencontrer sur place.
décidemment le sujet de l'authenticité m'inspire...
Concernant Pattaya, je le recommande pas parce que c'est pas très beau et que la plage franchement c'est moyen.
D'un autre côté, côté authenticité, ça fait quand même partie de la vie des habitants de Bangkok, dans le sens où c'est à 1h30 de la ville, au bord de la mer avec un peu plus d'air.
Et comme nous on se rend en Normandie le we quand on habite Paris, ils se rendent à Pattaya aussi.
D'autre part les loyers sont moins chers qu'à Bangkok, du coup certains metros y migrent également.
Outre les bars à fille, c'est rempli de discos, de concerts dans l'ensemble assez bons, de festivals où il n'y a que des Thai...
J'ai pas aimé Pattaya au début, mais maintenant que je me rends assez souvent à Bangkok pour le boulot, j'avoue que j'aime bien y passer 1 ou 2 jours à chaque fois.
C'est sûr qu'entre Pattaya et Biarritz il n'y a pas photo...... je Préfère Biarritz
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Hi fellow travelers,
First trip to Vietnam.
We’ll be arriving in Ho Chi Minh City during Tet.
Is it complicated to find accommodation and get around during this period?
Any tips would be welcome.
Thanks for your replies.
Hello,
After 1 night in Khao Sok, I’d like to find a 2 Days 1 Night package on the lake.
After reading a lot, I decided to "break the bank" and treat ourselves to a private tour—mainly to avoid the crowds.
But after contacting several operators, they offer "private tours" that are very expensive (around 700 €), yet in the details, the boats can only leave from the pier at 10 AM like everyone else. (I was hoping to leave much earlier.) The morning program is the same for everyone too (private or not). They drop us off at noon at our floating hotel (I’d chosen Phupha Waree). Free afternoon (swimming or kayaking in front of the hotel). We head back by boat for a 1-hour sunset ride. And the next morning, we leave the hotel at 8 AM to be at the pier by 9:30 AM at the latest—end of the trip.
So basically, we’re paying a lot for a private tour just to do the same thing as everyone else at the same time.
Or maybe I just had bad luck in my search.
I contacted Panida Ladi, who’s very popular on forums. We’d agreed on a private tour that matched my request (departure from the pier at 8 AM, very personalized itinerary). We settled on the itinerary and price, she asked for a Wise transfer for a 30% deposit, confirmed receipt of the deposit. Then 30 minutes later, she messaged me to say she was canceling everything because it was impossible to do the requested tour—and promised a quick refund of my deposit.
So here’s my question: Who’s done a *real* private tour on this lake? Who can recommend a reliable agency? Is it even really possible to do a private tour here?
Hi,
I wanted to get some info about the cable car and the bridge—I see lots of different options...
How much time should we allow for these two activities? If we arrive around 4 PM, will we have enough time to visit without rushing?
Thanks
I’m searching for a real gem for my 3rd stay in Koh Lanta: a lovely, high-quality hotel right by an easily accessible beach in a lively spot.
If you know of anything that fits what I’m looking for and want to share, don’t hesitate!
Hi,
On September 1st, we're heading to Kalimantan for six weeks, probably from Pontianak to the Derawan Islands.
I've scoured this site, which is usually my go-to 😉, and others like VoyageForum, but recent info is pretty scarce.
I'd love any tips on places you've visited—our itinerary is still a work in progress.
We're two couples traveling with backpacks, using buses, boats, guesthouses, and homestays.
Thanks in advance!
Hi! I’d like to split my trip into two parts: 15 days in Phuket and 15 days in Krabi. Do you know if I can rent a car and drop it off in Krabi when I fly back to France?
Thanks for your feedback!
Have a great Sunday!
Martine
Hi, is anyone there in Flores right now? According to some websites, everything is closed and the situation is tough. But our guide says it's fine. Who should we believe? We're supposed to leave on September 2nd. Thanks to anyone in Flores at the moment!
Hi dear community,
I'm planning to visit Cambodia this winter, right after Christmas, for my first solo trip and my first trip to Asia. For two weeks (yes, I know it's short, but I really can't do more...). I have two main desires: Siem Reap and the countryside, the villages, the Mekong...
What do you think of this itinerary? Arrival in Siem Reap, departure from Phnom Penh.
SR: 5 days (1 day for arrival, 3 for the temples, 1 for the lake and its villages)
Kratie (stop on the way to Mondolkiri): 3 days (1 day of travel, 2 days there)
Mondolkiri/Sen Monorom: 4 days (1 day of travel, 1 day there, 2 days of treks)
PP: 3 days (1 day of travel, 2 days of sightseeing)
I think I need to cut one day somewhere if I travel from Saturday to Saturday or Sunday to Sunday. In Kratie, maybe? Or in PP? And I'll miss the boat trip that everyone recommends (SR-Battambang), but I don't see where to fit it in. Unless I do a PP-PP loop starting in the east, skip Kratie or just stay one night, then SR, then PP.
In my timing, Mondolkiri seems closer than Ratanakiri, which also tempted me a lot! Will it be too complicated alone? I'm thinking of using local guides or a small local agency for a nature and village getaway.
I've read that Siem Reap is very crowded between Christmas and New Year's. I could also do the circuit in the opposite direction. But I thought it would be easier to get familiar with the country by arriving in a touristy area—I might be wrong...
Thanks for your advice and opinions!
Hi everyone.
I’m planning my trip, and based on all the posts I’ve read, this country is amazing.
Of course, I’ve got a ton of questions for you.
Here’s a possible itinerary: Vientiane - Vang Vieng - Phonsavan - Sam Neua - Nong Khiaw + villages - Phongsali - Luang Namtha and the area - Udomxai - Huay Xai - Luang Prabang and back to Vientiane.
What do you think?
We’re planning to prioritize local transport—is it possible to do this loop?
We’d also love to go kayaking, but I’m not sure if the season’s right or where the best spot is.
For trekking—I read that Phongsali is the most authentic spot to visit villages and see wildlife. Do you know of a reliable agency and a guesthouse with reasonable prices?
Is it worth taking a slow boat for a stretch on the Mekong, and if so, which route?
For accommodations, is it better to book through Booking.com and Agoda or look when we arrive?
Are mosquitoes bad in Laos, and should we take malaria prophylaxis?
What’s the average daily budget (accommodation, food, visits)?
Is renting scooters a good option for exploring towns, and if so, which ones?
From what I’ve read, it’s best to carry cash—euros or dollars? Is it risky to walk around with that much cash?
I’ve still got tons of questions. Thanks to anyone who can help, and I’m open to all tips, info, etc.
Thanks again
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Vietnam in February, specifically Da Nang and Hoi An.
Does anyone know a French-speaking guide in the area?
Thanks for your help
Hi there,
I’m planning a family trip (my wife and I, both 47, and our two sons, aged 5 and 12) to Malaysia for the last week of June and the first two weeks of July 2027.
We used to love road trips as a couple, then as a trio, but since our second child arrived, we’ve taken a break with "camping village" style trips.
Now feels like the right time to get back to our old habits, while adjusting the pace for the kids.
We’re craving Asia. We’ve been lucky enough to visit Thailand, Indonesia (Bali and Lombok), and Sri Lanka before.
Friends have raved about Malaysia, so we’re definitely tempted.
For those who know and love Malaysia, what would be a good itinerary starting from Kuala Lumpur, with a maximum of 3-4 stops? We’d like a mix of culture, nature, and relaxation (just to clarify, we’re not big beach fans). All of this without rushing, of course.
Hello,
We’re a family of four with two teens aged 16 and 18. We’re heading to Thailand this summer. We’ll arrive in Bangkok and plan to take a flight to Luang Prabang.
I’ve seen there are some great visits and excursions to do (temples, markets, waterfalls) and maybe even venture a bit north to places like Nong Khiaw, Muang Xay, Muang Ngoy, or Oudom Xay.
But I’ve also heard about the Bokeo region with the Gibbon Experience.
Since we won’t be able to do everything, I’d love to hear about your experiences, impressions, and advice on the two options I’m considering, especially since we’ll be meeting family in Chiang Mai, Thailand, afterward.
Option 1: A loop from Luang Prabang heading slightly north, then a flight from Luang Prabang to Chiang Mai.
Option 2: A few days in Luang Prabang, exploring within a few dozen kilometers around, then heading to Bokeo province for the 2-day/1-night Gibbon Experience. For this option, I saw on Rome2Rio that it’s possible to book a ferry trip on the Mekong from Luang Prabang to Huay Xay—they mention about 8 hours. But is that realistic? What type of boat is it?
Then, to get to Chiang Mai, there aren’t many options—bus or minivan—but how does crossing the border work?
Finally, for those of you who’ve been to Laos in August, what was the weather like?
We’ve already visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during the same period over the past four years and weren’t really bothered by bad weather.
I’m starting a discussion about guides in the Mekong Delta because we’ve just finished our trip in this region and had a hard time finding a French-speaking guide. We had Thanh—she speaks French really well and travels all over the delta region, including Ho Chi Minh City. She’s super friendly and flexible. I recommend her wholeheartedly. If it can help someone...
Feel free to contact us for her number.
Hi everyone,
I couldn’t find any recent info on Kuching.
Can anyone recommend a hotel or guesthouse for under 100 RM that’s nice and affordable? No dorms, please.
Also, does it rain a lot in November, and is it still worth visiting Semenggoh or Bako?
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you?
If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip?
I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days.
I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome!
I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Hello everyone,
Not long ago, I used to travel as a couple, but my husband has since passed away, and I’ve decided to set off again. The trip I took to Cambodia in January 2025 did me a world of good.
I’m now considering Thailand, a destination we never included in our plans because even 15 years ago, people said it was too touristy. Still, I’m thinking about the itinerary below, but I don’t feel up to arranging buses, trains, or guides on my own while I’m there. I’m looking for one or more drivers and have been in touch with an agency, but their offers are just copy-paste group tours that I don’t want.
So, if you have any contacts, experiences, or advice, I’d be so grateful if you’d share them with me. Here’s my rough plan:
Arrival in Bangkok
Ayutthaya (2 nights)
Kanchanaburi (2 or 3 nights)
Sangkhlaburi/Sai Yok (3 nights)
Sukhothai (2 nights)
Lampang (I’ve planned 3 nights, but that might be a bit much—it depends on what time I arrive in the city)
Chiang Mai
Chiang Dao
Pai
Chiang Rai
I was thinking about the Mae Hong Son loop—thoughts?
What do you think about staying overnight at the Golden Triangle?
When I look online, of course, I can find agencies that organize tours to national parks, etc.
I’m retired but in great physical shape. I’d rather go hiking than sit in hot springs with crowds of tourists who’ve all arranged meet-ups. I don’t want to spend a day at an elephant camp, and I don’t want to visit Karen villages.
I’d love to hear your advice.
Thank you all,
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur
Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral.
Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo).
Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok:
* Orangutan Center
* Malayan Sun Bear Center
* Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan.
Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari.
Jungle walk.
Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari.
Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port.
Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar
5 full days.
* Snorkeling
* Hiking
* Turtle watching
* Wild beaches
* Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland.
Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali.
And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people!
So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops):
- 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud
2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa)
1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...)
- 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces)
- 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai
- 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed)
- 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island)
- 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan)
- 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels.
Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?)
Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?)
Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027:
- Phnom Penh
- Kampong Cham
- Kratie
- Siem Reap
- Battambang
- Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights.
Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above.
Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations:
We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights:
The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1:
We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2:
This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3:
With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4:
Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings.
We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops.
In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5:
Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6:
This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8:
Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10:
On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12:
We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines.
Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment.
We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15:
From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP).
We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning.
We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise.
Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16:
We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town.
It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view.
We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise.
In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911.
On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city.
We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17:
Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning.
Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in.
The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances:
In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary:
Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional.
Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
