et oui est ce encore possible de voyager dans cette partie de l'afrique ?
nous envisageons un periple Maroc -Mauritanie-senegal-guinée- cote d'ivoire - burkina et retour au debut 2013
quelqu'un pourrait me dire si la Mauritanie est praticable jusqu'a Atar sans trop de problemes et de risque s?
est il imperatif d'aller a Dakar avec le carnet ATA , nous n'avons pas du tout envie d'aller dans les grandes villes et en plus connaissant les senegalais ca ne va pas etre une partie de plaisir (corruption...)
merci de vos bons plans
et oui est ce encore possible de voyager dans cette partie de l'afrique ?
nous envisageons un periple Maroc -Mauritanie-senegal-guinée- cote d'ivoire - burkina et retour au debut 2013
quelqu'un pourrait me dire si la Mauritanie est praticable jusqu'a Atar sans trop de problemes et de risque s?
est il imperatif d'aller a Dakar avec le carnet ATA , nous n'avons pas du tout envie d'aller dans les grandes villes et en plus connaissant les senegalais ca ne va pas etre une partie de plaisir (corruption...)
merci de vos bons plans
Bon, vaut mieux rester en Europe alors (et encore).....parce que question corruption, Guinée, Côte D'Ivoire, Burkina, Sénégal, pour ne citer qu'eux, font un concours !
je vais aussi descendre et profiterai des 2/3 jours de passe-avant (sans ATA) pour rejoindre par la route qui longe le fleuve, kedougou et le Mali par nvau gougron et pont de kedougouà à kita et Bmako...
Jef
On apprend plus en voyageant qu'en lisant mille livres...
le pass avant du senegal pour 2 3 jours n, existe plus si le vehicule a plus de 8ans . ceci depuis 3 4 jours. les gens sont bloques a la frontiere et oblige de prendre une escorte = 185000 CFA Derogation possible aupres du colonel a st louis(atteint en taxi) mais avec un cout officiel et beaucoup de palabre, Experience vecue ce dimanche dernier.
bonjour
lien vers une autre discussion !
http://voyageforum.com/v.f?post=5658712&&page=last&idl=366321&idl2=855939&idl3=86193107125&
bon voyage
francia
le mérite d'un homme réside dans sa connaissance et dans ses actes et non point dans la couleur de sa peau ou de sa religion!
Khalil Gibran
merci
avec toutes les infos contradictoires que l'on trouve sur le net ca deviens difficile de s'y retrouver
donc nous resterons bien en mauritanie pays que nous avons deja traverse en 2010 mais a l'epoque il etait decommande d'aller vers atar nous avons donc trace vers le mali
maintenant c'est le contraire ....
si quelqu'un peu me dire ou trouver un certificat d'hebergement(demande pour le visa ) vu que nous n'avons qu'une vague idee de la date ou nous serons a Atar et donc ne pouvons pas faire de reservation hoteliere
merci d'avance
Certificat d'hébergement pour le visa Mauritanien = UNIQUEMENT que pour Paris
Pour Rabat = pas besoin de certificat , avec une bonne nouvelle de l'obtention du visa dans la même journée , ben oui c'est nouveau !!
Si besoin tout de même d'un certificat ? = voir maison Jeloua ou auberge Menata (sur Google)
flute, je comptai faire comme en 2011 avec ma vieille 405 (15ans) !!
Une fois ss ATA, pour traverser, la deuxieme avec ATA pour rester plus longtemps (c'etait +de 5 ans à l'epoque).
ils obligent l'escorte par rapport à la securité? et/ou se faire des ronds comme d'hab, bien sur, et j'ai souvent remarqué qu'ils font aussi tjrs un peu de zèle en debut saison!!.
Bon partant debut janv, je vais attendre un peu, ils ne peuvent pas bloquer tt le monde, car les gens vont passer par là depuis le nouvel enlevement à Diema lundi!
Cette escorte c'est pour ou? aller vers le Mali et ressortir ou Dakar pour viser le carnet ATA.
Je ferai peut etre un ATA mais il faut bien un passe-avant au moins pour aller àux douanes de dakar? puisque c'est eux qui visent le ATA.
Merçi des infos.
Jef
On apprend plus en voyageant qu'en lisant mille livres...
Bonjour,
J'etais un peu fatiguee quand j'ai ecrit ce message etant juste arrivee a Bobo. J'en ai ecrit un autre sur ce sujet sur voyage forum expliquant les raisons donnees par le service de douane a St Louis pour ce nouveau dispositif. En theorie c'est pour empecher l'importation de vehicules anciens. Seul le colonel de St Louis a l'autorite de faire delivrer le passe-avant. Un portugais qui etait aussi present a la frontiere a choisi l'escorte qui est une escorte douaniere (douane a douane). Le colonel nous a autorise d'avoir un passe-avant sans la presence d'un douanier pour 100 euros. Il donne des instructions par telephone a ses agents sur place pour cela. Il y avait aussi un couple de jeunes francais : je ne sais pas ce qu'ils ont fait. Il faut plaider passe-avant pour raison humanitaire, si on est jeune et pas malade ca ne peut pas passer.
Tous les agents douaniers meme a st louis sont muets comme des carpes et ont peur de se compromettre. Tous se referent au Colonel.
Conclusion: vaut mieux avoir une voiture recente si on veut aller au dela de la Mauritanie!
Merçi des infos, bon je pense que ca va se decanter car ça pourra pas rester longtemps.
Si on a un carnet ATA ils ne bloquent pas qd mm
Le colonel de St Louis c'est Diouf?
Vous avez suivit au jour pres un pote de Montpellier (Bruno) qui est aussi sur Bobo avec HJ61 et remorque avec moto, l'auriez vs vu? il descendait avec une personne.
Bon sejour Jef
On apprend plus en voyageant qu'en lisant mille livres...
Je suis (avatar) = HJ61 , et dans ton dernier message qui porte a confusion sur une personne avec un Toyota du modèle HJ61 et mon avatar , un certain Bruno qui est sur Bobo avec une remorque et moto ..
En lisant ces lignes je me croyais déjà à Bobo (????????????) pas de chance je suis toujours à Bordeaux (mer doum)
Cette personne avec Bruno c'etait moi! Ah cette remorque , il vous en parlera: il a dit jamais plus.... Il se fait du soucis pour le retour (sans la remorque) par ou passer?
Le colonel c'est bien Diouf. On ne l'a eu qu'au telephone (beaucoup de fois) car il etait a Dakar.
Francoise
On avait dans la meme situation que nous un Tunisien qui voulait vendre un voiture de 8 ans et 3 mois caracteriel mais tres debrouillard qui connaissait tout le monde et grace a lui on s'en est tire a bon compte!
Il semblerait que le francais enleve au Mali aie ete la meme nuit que nous a Menata. Il voulait passer par Nioro car il disait en camping car il n'aurait aucun probleme pour le passe-avant. L'age corresond et il s'appelle Gilbert. Il devait s'arreter au Burkina puis Natti et a Lome chez Alice pour passer les fetes de fin d'annee. On a parle de covoiturage au sujet du Benin et Togo et on devait se contacter....Quelqu'un de gentil habitue a voyager.....Le camping car etait compact mais bien visible...
Francoise
je vais aussi descendre et profiterai des 2/3 jours de passe-avant (sans ATA) pour rejoindre par la route qui longe le fleuve, kedougou et le Mali par nvau gougron et pont de kedougouà à kita et Bmako...
Jef
Moi aussi j'aurais bien voulu avoir ce passe-avant pour aller à bamako, mais au regard de la situation actuelle à l'ouest du mali, en passant par la gambie et la guinée bissau...
Quelqu'un a t il déjà fait ce trajet?
Bon en resumé: voir autre discussion:
il faut le carnet ATA si plus de 8 ans pour la voiture, ne donne plus de passe-avant si ils ne voient pas le carnet à la frontiere, alors que c'est dakar qui le rempli.
Pour la route et passer plus au sud:
Nouvelle route tt goudron par tambacounda, kedougou, saraya, kenebia kita bmako pour passer plus au sud.Celle que je vais ss doute prendre en 405
encore plus sud, par guinéee, avec partie piste et gué:
koundara, labe, puis 2 routes
par kankan et bougouni
ou Siguiri et kangaba (eviter kourémalé)
Jef
On apprend plus en voyageant qu'en lisant mille livres...
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Russia and Mongolia, starting from France.
Crossing the border at Poland/Belarus or Georgia/Russia—other borders seem either closed or complicated.
Tourist visas for 3 months with multiple entries.
Do you have any info on Russian companies that cover a 4x4 vehicle for 3 months, and what prices in rubles or euros you’ve paid?
Which bank did you use for expenses? (EuroMastercard and Visa cards no longer work.)
Regarding Russian SIM cards, a new system called "Gosuslugi" has been introduced. How long did it take you to get one, and what steps did you follow?
Hi there,
We’ll be traveling in January 2027 in a 4x4 with a rooftop tent with our three kids, from Johannesburg to Cape Town. We’ve already booked several campsites in national parks (Golden Gate / Mountain Zebra / Addo Elephant / Garden Route).
We still need to reserve the stretch between De Hoop Nature Reserve and Cape Town. Any suggestions?
We’d love to stay around Cape Town for 5 days to explore the wine route, the peninsula, and do some hikes in Table Mountain.
Any camping recommendations? Or, on the contrary, places to avoid?
Also, we have 2 nights left near Wilderness National Park / Knysna. Any recommendations?
Thanks so much for your help!
For my 60th birthday (yes, I’m jumping the gun a bit!), I’m starting to plan a self-drive trip to Tanzania (in June).
I also considered Zimbabwe but I’m worried it might be a bit chilly at night in June.
I’ve revisited an itinerary I’d thought about before, tweaking it since I’ll have more days to dedicate to this trip. Still no big northern classics for the same reasons as before (too expensive, too crowded, too many tour operators).
Here’s what I’ve got so far:
(Arrival/departure from Kilimanjaro Airport)
Night 1: Arusha
Night 2: Arusha
Night 3: Lake Manyara
Night 4: On the way to Iringa (any ideas???)
Night 5: Iringa
Nights 6–8: Ruaha NP
Nights 9–10: Mikumi NP
Night 11: Bagamoyo
Nights 12–15: Beach
Nights 16–17: Lushoto
Nights 18–19: Mkomazi NP
Night 20: Toward Marangu – eastern Kilimanjaro
Night 21: Western Kilimanjaro
End of trip
All your ideas, tweaks, info, and suggestions on this route are welcome!
I could move one beach night somewhere else if needed.
Also, if you have a car rental company to recommend or thoughts on the bandas rented in the parks, I’m all ears!
Finally, what are the roads like in Ruaha in June? The rental company I’m looking at seems to allow this park with a small 4x4. (Off-limits: Serengeti and Natron)
We’re planning a long-term trip starting in April with our 4x4, beginning in the USA.
We’re still looking for car insurance that covers Canada and the USA.
We’ve read quite a few forums, but we’re hoping for some help (from fellow travelers).
Hi,
we’re planning to visit a park again.
Could you point us toward the camps in Gonarezhou Park?
>We’re traveling completely self-sufficiently.
We love wildlife.
Thanks for any tips you can share!
JP
Hi there, we’ll be in Mozambique in early December 2026 and we’d like to travel from Vilanculos to Beira by car or bus to reach Beira airport. After that, we’re planning to visit Gorongosa National Park before flying back to France from Beira. From what we’ve heard, the road to Beira is tricky, especially at this time of year (start of the rainy season). Could anyone share their thoughts or suggest a solution? Thanks so much for your help!
Anne
Hi there,
I’m heading to Lesotho in a few days and I’m struggling to find info on the best route between Katse Dam and Sehlathebe National Park. There’s a fairly "direct" route from Thaba Tseka, but the roads seem rough, and we’re not exactly 4x4 pros. Anyone have any tips to share? Thanks!
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Mozambique in October and are looking for either a 4x4 or 4x2 rental in Maputo, or a driver transfer option to reach:
- Ponta Do Ouro
- Tofo
- Vilankulos
The idea is to be self-sufficient for sightseeing and stops while still being able to access certain lodges or beaches that require a 4x2.
Do you have any contacts, addresses, or ideas to share?
Thanks in advance,
Hello,
We're hitting the road again in 2027 to discover new countries and cultures.
Could anyone give me some tips on driving from Ulaanbaatar to Lake Baikal and the route to take?
Thanks, and safe travels to those who are setting off!
We’re planning a 4x4 trip from Belgium to Central Asia, passing through Georgia, Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan.
For these countries, our national insurance obviously doesn’t cover the vehicle, so we’ll need to get local insurance.
Will it be a problem if the vehicle is registered under person A and the national insurance is under person B? Both A and B will be in the vehicle, and both will be listed as drivers on the insurance.
When we get the local insurance, if we again list A and B as drivers, does the order matter? Could we get stuck at the border for this reason?
Hi,
For those who’ve driven on Iceland’s gravel roads in their own or a rented Duster, could you tell me what tires were fitted on the vehicle?
Were they All Terrain tires or more "standard" ones like all-season tires, for example?
Follow-up question: if they were "standard" tires, did that cause any issues on the gravel roads and rough terrain?
Thanks so much for any info you can share.
Best,
Marc
Hi there,
I'm planning a 4x4 road trip from Darwin to Broome with a rooftop tent in July 2026.
I'd like to know if I need to book overnight stops in advance or if I can just wing it and stop wherever I feel like it?
Some evenings, we'd like to stop and make use of campsite facilities (restaurant, shop, showers, toilets).
What do you recommend?
Do I need a permit?
My rough itinerary looks like this:
Darwin - Kakadu
Kakadu - Nitmiluk
Nitmiluk - Kununurra
Kununurra - Purnululu
Purnululu - El Questro
El Questro - Mt Elizabeth - Bell Gorge - Broome
I’m planning a trip to Iceland for next July-August, with a car and tent, and I’m wondering about booking campsites.
From your experience, is it necessary or even essential to book campsites in advance, or do you always manage to find a spot to pitch your tent?
We’ll also have the option to sleep in the car without pitching the tent.
Does that give us the flexibility to stay outside a campsite for a night here and there?
Hi,
I’m planning a road trip in the Middle Atlas, starting and ending in Fez and heading down to the south of Midelt, the Assoul Massif.... We’ll be traveling with two small 4x4s.
I’m looking for detailed maps of this region that include small roads and tracks.
Last year, we had a fantastic road trip in the Anti-Atlas and High Atlas using Erfahren maps, but unfortunately, they don’t cover the area we’re interested in this year.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Dominique
We’re planning a 13-day family road trip in Morocco this July, with six people in a Toyota Prado 4x4 (renting in Marrakech).
We’ll alternate between bivouacking and small hotels/riads depending on the stops.
Here’s the planned route (in this order):
Marrakech
→ Ouarzazate
→ Draa Valley
→ Zagora
→ Erg Chegaga
→ Lake Iriki
→ Foum Zguid
→ Tata
→ Tafraoute
→ Aït Mansour
→ Tiznit
→ Mirleft
→ Taroudant
→ Back to Marrakech
Our goal:
Atlas Mountains + desert + dunes + plateaus + valleys + a bit of coastline.
We’ll cover about 1,700 km in total.
We’re planning:
Bivouacking in the Chegaga/Iriki area
Flexible for the rest (booking the day before or same day)
Sand gear: traction plates, compressor, tow strap, roof rack
Questions:
Is the Zagora → Chegaga → Iriki → Foum Zguid crossing in July doable on our own (single vehicle, no guide)?
Are there any truly technical or risky sections between Chegaga and Iriki?
Does the overall itinerary seem manageable in 13 days without rushing?
Any suggestions for great bivouac spots or particularly interesting stops along this route?
The points on the route are provisional overnight stops. Some spots will include two nights in the same area.
We’re used to off-road driving, but not yet in the Moroccan desert.
Thanks in advance for your feedback and tips! 😊
Good evening
I could use some advice 🙂
Our trip to Namibia is planned for June/July 2026.
We’re struggling a bit with timing and choosing activities for the part of the trip between Sesriem and Brandberg.
Day 1: Sesriem to Mirabib
Day 2: Mirabib to Swakopmund – visit Swakopmund, overnight in Swakopmund
Day 3: Sandwich Harbour – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 4: Kayaking with the seals + the living dunes – overnight in Swakopmund
Day 5: Moon Landscape, Henties Bay + Cape Cross – overnight at White Lady Lodge in Brandberg
Does this itinerary seem realistic to you? Is Cape Cross really worth the trip? If I had to choose between Cape Cross and kayaking with the seals, which would you recommend?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Hélix
My son and I are heading to Georgia this summer to explore the High Caucasus (Svaneti, Kazbek, and Tusheti regions). For this, we’re planning to rent a 4x4.
However, the rental agencies we’ve found prohibit driving on the tracks to Omalo (Tusheti) and/or Ushguli (Svaneti).
Do you know of any agencies in Tbilisi (local and reliable) that allow rented 4x4s to drive on these tracks? If so, which ones?
Hi everyone,
I’m starting to plan an itinerary for September 2027 focused on Zimbabwe and Zambia. I’d love to visit Gonarezhou National Park—I see there are two sectors: the Mwenezi Region in the south and the area around the Runde River in the north. Should I cover both sectors or just focus on the northern region?
For the parks along the Zambezi River, is it better to visit Mana Pools on the Zimbabwe side or Lower Zambezi on the Zambia side?
Thanks in advance for any tips on the parks in these two countries.
Have a great day, everyone.
We’re spending 18 days in New Zealand from 05/04 to 05/21, arriving in QUEENSTOWN and leaving from AUCKLAND.
Any ideas for a road trip that covers the highlights of both islands but only changes hotels every 3–4 nights?
Thanks.
For our trip to Georgia in July, I’d like to rent a 4x4 starting from Tbilisi.
Do you have any rental companies to recommend?
The traditional rentals like Hertz, Avis, etc. seem way overpriced compared to local companies—what do you think? Are they properly insured?
Has anyone here tried Geo Rent Car, Auto 4 Rental, or Sur Price?
Also, I’m looking for info on the condition of the Ushguli–Lentekhi track—is it passable?
Hi everyone,
A well-prepped 4x4, a travel plan across Africa in stages since I’ve got kids to see regularly and work to earn a living.
I’m leaving in November for about a month with the goal of reaching Senegal via Mauritania. I’d love to share this trip with someone who wants to discover Mauritania and a bit of Senegal... and also experience life on board a 4x4 in the desert or bush, sometimes sleeping in the vehicle or in hostels/small hotels for comfort. I want to share this rediscovery because two’s better than one!
Just traveling, exploring, and living! !
I’m planning to explore Argentine and Chilean Patagonia for a month in December 2019.
I’m looking for a rental company (or several) that offers single-cab 4x4 pick-ups with a fitted camper cell for two people. I’m specifically after a vehicle with an indoor shower for extra comfort ;)
So, no vans—at least not from the rental companies I’ve seen so far.
While browsing the forum, I came across the Chilean rental company Holiday Rent. But do you have any recommendations for Argentine rentals?
Because, if I can’t return the vehicle in the same city as pickup, I’d prefer—and it’d likely be cheaper—to at least return it in the same country.
I’m traveling through Argentina and Chile (as well as Paraguay and Uruguay) with a 2019 Toyota Hilux Euro 6. Could anyone tell me if the local diesel is suitable for its engine, or if I need to take any special precautions (like adding an additive, for example) for these countries?
I’d also like to know if driving at high altitudes is possible, and up to what elevation—or if I should worry about the vehicle going into limp mode?
If that happens, what should I do?
Hi there,
Can you tell me if the road between Zagora and M'Gouna is easy or difficult for a 4x4? How much time and how many kilometers should I plan for? I’m traveling in May.
Thanks!
Hi there,
My trip to South Africa is starting to take shape.
However, I'm struggling to figure out the route through Kruger Park. I can't seem to find the information I need about getting around.
Coming from the south, I plan to arrive on Day 1 in the early afternoon at Malelane or Crocodile Bridge.
Do some shopping in Malelane (or Crocodile Bridge main area) and stay overnight outside the park.
Leave on Day 2 at 5 AM for the park. Explore the southern part of the park.
Stay overnight around Skukuza or Lower Sabie. (We don’t want to stay in one of the park’s big camps. We’re looking for a lodge around 200 €.
Head out on Day 3 for a self-drive safari, maybe as far as Orpen.
We’d like to stay in a private reserve on nights 4 and 5.
We’re not sure which one or how to get into a private reserve. Do we need to exit Kruger Park?
On Day 5, we’d like to leave to visit Blyde Canyon (on Day 6).
I’m planning to leave Morocco for the summer but want to leave my 4x4 there to avoid exceeding the famous 6-month limit. I’d like to park it in one of the two Spanish enclaves (Ceuta or Melilla).
Does anyone know of people or companies that handle long-term parking (preferably secure) in either place?
Once the car is parked, what’s the best way to get back to France using public transport?
Is the nearest airport Tanger from Ceuta?...
How do I get there easily, etc. etc.
hello! I’d like to go to Kazakhstan and rent a fitted 4x4 locally so I can drive off-road trails and sleep inside the vehicle... could anyone share some local rental company addresses, please? Thanks! !