États-Unis: ESTA et multi-entrées, plus location de voiture longue durée
by Pemon
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour,
J'ai ma fille qui va voyager aux USA et qui voudrait avoir des infos sur 2 sujets:
1- Est il possible de rester 3 mois aux USA et d'aller ensuite au Mexique pour une semaine et de revenir aux USA pour 3 mois avec un ESTA ?
2- Connaissez vous un loueur de voiture longue durée USA qui soit fiable et avantageux pour les - de 25 ans ?
Bonjour
En fait, elle va y travailler non?
L'agent d'immigration qui n'est pas tombé de la dernière pluie, au vu de son périple, va assimiler son parcours à une fraude au travail non déclaré. Se faire refouler serait un moindre mal - plus question ensuite de revenir aux States même en transit...
Alain
En fait, elle va y travailler non?
L'agent d'immigration qui n'est pas tombé de la dernière pluie, au vu de son périple, va assimiler son parcours à une fraude au travail non déclaré. Se faire refouler serait un moindre mal - plus question ensuite de revenir aux States même en transit...
Alain
Non, elle n'a pas l'intention d'y travailler.Elle y va vraiment en touriste et pensait en profiter pour faire un périple au Mexique qui pourrait s 'étendre sur 1 ou 2 mois par exemple et ensuite revenir aux USA car elle y connait beaucoup de monde.
Sa question est de savoir si un ESTA qui est valable 2 ans permet de faire plusieurs entrées sur territoire des USA .Elle a posé la question à l'ambassade des USA qui lui a raccroché au nez...
Selon le post initial, c'était UNE semaine au Mexique...😕
Je pense que l'agent d'immigration va avoir de sérieux doutes ... Il faudrait prouver la bonne foi avec - le billet retour - prouver des ressources suffisantes pour le reste du séjour
Bien penser qu'avec l ESTA, la validité d'entrée aux USA, par séjour, est non de 3 mois, mais de 90 jours...
Alain
PS 6 mois de tourisme, ça fait rêver...
Je pense que l'agent d'immigration va avoir de sérieux doutes ... Il faudrait prouver la bonne foi avec - le billet retour - prouver des ressources suffisantes pour le reste du séjour
Bien penser qu'avec l ESTA, la validité d'entrée aux USA, par séjour, est non de 3 mois, mais de 90 jours...
Alain
PS 6 mois de tourisme, ça fait rêver...
Avec l'ESTA c'est un séjour théorique de 90 jours. Le voyage au Mexique ne remet pas à 0 le compteur de ces 90 jours.
Seul l'officier d'immigration est habilité à autoriser l'entré et la durée du séjour.
Pour remettre les compteurs à 0 il faut mieux revenir un certain temps dans son pays de résidence.
Salut, je vois que vous connaissez un peu mal la mentalité et le mode de fonctionnent de l'Amérique du Nord. 1- en moyenne on a juste deux semaines de vacances par an (surtout Canada et USA) 2- a moins d'avoir une bonne raison, genre études ou travail, les agents d'immigration USA surtout voit les personnes qui rentrent chez eux comme tous des immigrants potentiels. Si vous me croyez pas, lisez leur politique sur l'immigration. En résume, en entrant aux USA, même avec les plus belles intentions du monde, vous pourriez toujours être soumis a un contrôle pousse et devoir démontrer que vous avez les moyens de subsister pendant votre séjour et preuves que vous avez l'intention de retourner Chez vous a la fin de votre séjour. En ce qui concerne l'immigration en général les USA sont moins procédurales que l'Europe, il suffit pas d'essayer de repsecter la législation a la lettre, non, vous devez convaincre l'agent d'immigration et, vus les pouvoirs de ce derniers, que ce soit aux USA ou au Canada, sont très étendus.
MGTOW: Man going their own way...
"Plutôt que d'être malin, vaut mieux être bon " ou les deux.
"Plutôt que d'être malin, vaut mieux être bon " ou les deux.
Avec l'ESTA c'est un séjour théorique de 90 jours. Le voyage au Mexique ne remet pas à 0 le compteur de ces 90 jours.
Seul l'officier d'immigration est habilité à autoriser l'entré et la durée du séjour.
Pour remettre les compteurs à 0 il faut mieux revenir un certain temps dans son pays de résidence.
Bonjour François,
Je suis d'accord avec toi, mais je pense qu'il faut un peu nuancer le propos ...
- D'abord une vérité absolue; l'officier d'immigration devant lequel le demandeur d'accès au territoire US se présente à la frontière avec ESTA est le seul habilité à autoriser l'accès ou non et la durée de cette autorisation (90 jours max selon la procédure ESTA).
- Pour forger sa décision, il va se baser :
*sur un ensemble d'éléments objectifs qu'il possède dans sa base de données à ton sujet (validité ESTA, nombre et date d'ESTA déjà obtenus, listing de tes derniers passages à l'immigration durant tes voyages précédents et d'autres informations liées aux vols (aller et retour) ... qui auront caractérisé tes séjours précédents, plus certains autres éléments relatifs à ta personne que les services d'immigration connaissent sur base d'autres sources d'informations qu'ils possèdent. Ces sources informatiques objectives caractérisent déjà bien le "client" et sont accessibles à l'officier.
*sur l'interrogatoire qu'il fait et sur base des réponses reçues Il pose les questions qu'il estime nécessaires pour fonder son avis et peut évidemment demander d'où tu viens et, selon que tu viens de ton pays d'origine en Europe ou du Mexique en faire un élément déterminant s'il l'estime fondé.
Sur base de l'ensemble de ces éléments, il va prendre sa décision et te dire oui (et fixer ton séjour à 90 jours max) ou te dire non.
Le fait d'avoir passé 3 mois aux USA sous ESTA, d'avoir séjourné ensuite 1 semaine au Mexique et de vouloir revenir aux USA dans la foulée ne condamne pas automatiquement le demandeur au refus.
L'officier évaluera et peut malgré cela remettre le compteur à 0.
Je t'accorde que cette situation n'est pas la plus propice à l'octroi d'une nouvelle autorisation de séjour de 3 mois, mais cela dépendra du profil du "client" et des "explications convaincantes" qu'il donnera et de l'évaluation de l'officier qui peut très bien remettre le compteur à 0 s'il est convaincu (sur base des informations objectives qu'il détient et de l'interrogatoire) que le demandeur répond bien à la lettre et à l'esprit des conditions d'accès au territoire US sous ESTA.
Pour info et pour ce qui me concerne, j'ai eu accès au sol US début d'année sous ESTA. Deux semaines après cette entrée aux USA, je me suis rendu pendant deux semaines en Amérique Centrale et suis ensuite je suis revenu aux USA. Lorsque j'ai redemandé accès au sol US mon autorisation de séjour était donc encore valable pour 60 jours, mais l'officier à remis le compteur à 0 d'initiative et m'a accordé une nouvelle période de 90 jours d'autorisation de séjour (sans que je lui en fasse la demande). Il faut dire que mon profil y était favorable et n'incite pas à penser que je veuille m'installer aux USA.
Le retour au pays d'origine n'est donc pas une obligation pour la remise à 0 du compteur. Tout se trouve dans la conviction de l'officier que ta demande d'accès vise bien un séjour touristique très temporaire (ou assimilé) et pas "autre chose".
Joseph
Bonjour François,
Je suis d'accord avec toi, mais je pense qu'il faut un peu nuancer le propos ...
- D'abord une vérité absolue; l'officier d'immigration devant lequel le demandeur d'accès au territoire US se présente à la frontière avec ESTA est le seul habilité à autoriser l'accès ou non et la durée de cette autorisation (90 jours max selon la procédure ESTA).
- Pour forger sa décision, il va se baser :
*sur un ensemble d'éléments objectifs qu'il possède dans sa base de données à ton sujet (validité ESTA, nombre et date d'ESTA déjà obtenus, listing de tes derniers passages à l'immigration durant tes voyages précédents et d'autres informations liées aux vols (aller et retour) ... qui auront caractérisé tes séjours précédents, plus certains autres éléments relatifs à ta personne que les services d'immigration connaissent sur base d'autres sources d'informations qu'ils possèdent. Ces sources informatiques objectives caractérisent déjà bien le "client" et sont accessibles à l'officier.
*sur l'interrogatoire qu'il fait et sur base des réponses reçues Il pose les questions qu'il estime nécessaires pour fonder son avis et peut évidemment demander d'où tu viens et, selon que tu viens de ton pays d'origine en Europe ou du Mexique en faire un élément déterminant s'il l'estime fondé.
Sur base de l'ensemble de ces éléments, il va prendre sa décision et te dire oui (et fixer ton séjour à 90 jours max) ou te dire non.
Le fait d'avoir passé 3 mois aux USA sous ESTA, d'avoir séjourné ensuite 1 semaine au Mexique et de vouloir revenir aux USA dans la foulée ne condamne pas automatiquement le demandeur au refus.
L'officier évaluera et peut malgré cela remettre le compteur à 0.
Je t'accorde que cette situation n'est pas la plus propice à l'octroi d'une nouvelle autorisation de séjour de 3 mois, mais cela dépendra du profil du "client" et des "explications convaincantes" qu'il donnera et de l'évaluation de l'officier qui peut très bien remettre le compteur à 0 s'il est convaincu (sur base des informations objectives qu'il détient et de l'interrogatoire) que le demandeur répond bien à la lettre et à l'esprit des conditions d'accès au territoire US sous ESTA.
Pour info et pour ce qui me concerne, j'ai eu accès au sol US début d'année sous ESTA. Deux semaines après cette entrée aux USA, je me suis rendu pendant deux semaines en Amérique Centrale et suis ensuite je suis revenu aux USA. Lorsque j'ai redemandé accès au sol US mon autorisation de séjour était donc encore valable pour 60 jours, mais l'officier à remis le compteur à 0 d'initiative et m'a accordé une nouvelle période de 90 jours d'autorisation de séjour (sans que je lui en fasse la demande). Il faut dire que mon profil y était favorable et n'incite pas à penser que je veuille m'installer aux USA.
Le retour au pays d'origine n'est donc pas une obligation pour la remise à 0 du compteur. Tout se trouve dans la conviction de l'officier que ta demande d'accès vise bien un séjour touristique très temporaire (ou assimilé) et pas "autre chose".
Joseph
Bonjour
Entierement d'accord avec cette réponse : tout dépend du bon vouloir de l'officier de l'immigration.
Il peut etre tres sympa, et redonner 90 jours, comme appliquer le reglement.
A noter que dans votre cas, vs ne dites pas comment vs avez repassé la frontiere : terrestre entre Mexique et USA, ou par avion en provenance d'un autre pazys que le Mexique.
Perso, chaque fois que j'ai repassé la frontiere terrestre CANADA USA, l'immigration n'a pas remis un autre tampon. J'avais tjrs le tampon d'origine de mon aetroprt d'arrivée aux USA.
Il y aussi le fait que l'officier a acces à vos données relatives au vol retour. Si il n'a rien d'indiqué...
Entierement d'accord avec cette réponse : tout dépend du bon vouloir de l'officier de l'immigration.
Il peut etre tres sympa, et redonner 90 jours, comme appliquer le reglement.
A noter que dans votre cas, vs ne dites pas comment vs avez repassé la frontiere : terrestre entre Mexique et USA, ou par avion en provenance d'un autre pazys que le Mexique.
Perso, chaque fois que j'ai repassé la frontiere terrestre CANADA USA, l'immigration n'a pas remis un autre tampon. J'avais tjrs le tampon d'origine de mon aetroprt d'arrivée aux USA.
Il y aussi le fait que l'officier a acces à vos données relatives au vol retour. Si il n'a rien d'indiqué...
Bonjour Joseph
Je suis entièrement d'accord avec toi , dans tous les cas c'est l'officier d'immigration qui décide.
Le séjour au Mexique ne remet pas le compteur automatiquement à zéro mais presque.
Dans ton cas tu n'était resté que deux semaines aux US avant d'aller en Amérique Centrale qui ne fait pas parti de la liste ne remettant pas les compteurs à zéro donc aux yeux de l'officier d'immigration risque faible (surtout à nos ages 😉)
Dans le cas précis de notre échange , la personne (jeune ) va rester une longue période aux US puis rester au Mexique pour x jours et vouloir refaire un long séjour aux US, là j'ai, peur que l'officier d'immigration US ne remette pas les compteurs à 0.
Le retour au pays de résidence n'est pas obligatoire mais conseillé surtout dans ce cas .
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TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
I’ve been to Thailand several times, but it was about 20 years ago…
There’s a new system in place now, it seems.
TDAC – Thailand Digital Arrival Card.
Before arriving, I apply for a TDAC, okay. If during my stay I cross the border to spend a few days in Malaysia and then re-enter Thailand, do I need to submit a new TDAC application? Do I use the same TDAC as when I first entered the country?
Or do I initially have to pay for a Thai multi-entry visa?
Thanks in advance for your insights—I can’t find the answer online.
Pierre
My partner (Mexican) entered France on January 21st as a tourist. She was therefore entitled to stay for 90 days in the Schengen Area. She’ll be leaving for Mexico on April 16th, so she’ll have “used up” 86 days.
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
She plans to return to France on July 18th. According to the European Commission’s Schengen calculator, this new stay “may be authorized for a maximum of 90 days.” That’s not very clear ("may be," "for a maximum of").
The text of Article 6 of the European regulation (2016/399) states that for a stay planned in the territory of the Member States, not exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period, one must examine "the 180-day period preceding each day of the stay." That’s not very clear either.
My partner wants to return to France for a 90-day period starting on July 18th. Is this possible?
There are two ways to look at it:
1) The first day she spent in the Schengen Area was January 21st. That day will drop out of the calculation 180 days later, on July 20th.
From July 20th, she’ll get back 1 day of possible stay; on July 22nd, 2 days; and so on. All the days from her previous stay (January 21st–April 16th) need to be outside the 180-day rolling window. The last day of her stay was April 16th. Looking 180 days ahead, that brings us to October 13th. From that date, she’ll be able to return for a full 90 days. 2) The number of allowed days is calculated for each day of the new stay. In other words: the 180-day window is recalculated every day, not fixed at the entry date. If she re-enters France on July 18th, she’ll only have a “credit” of 4 days. But with each day of her new stay, one day from the previous stay (January–April) will drop out of the calculation. The rolling window allows her to “replace” days from the previous stay with those of the new stay, without ever exceeding 90 days in any 180-day period. In this case, my partner could stay in France for 90 days starting on July 18th. The Prefecture doesn’t provide any information, nor does Air France, and in the forums I’ve checked, opinions are divided. Thanks for any insights you can share!
Hello,
We’re planning to travel to Indonesia (Sulawesi with family) next July and August for a stay longer than a month (about 6 weeks).
I’ve seen that it’s possible to get a 60-day visa before departure, but I’ve also read about people having a lot of trouble getting it (some even didn’t manage and had to leave without it).
We absolutely need to have these 4 visas BEFORE leaving because once we’re in Sulawesi, I’m not sure we’ll be able to go to an embassy to request a visa extension after 30 days.
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
In short, how can we **100% guarantee** that we’ll get our 4 60-day visas before our trip this summer?
Thanks for your valuable tips!
Elodie
Hi there,
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
I’m leaving for Japan in a few weeks. I just noticed my passport has an ink stain on the signature page. Could this cause any issues?
Hello, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026!
We’re heading back in October for a trip through Botswana, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
I have a question: for our route, we’ll need to cross the Zambia and Zimbabwe borders twice each. From experience, I know we won’t have any issues with Botswana.
But for the other two countries, I can’t find a clear answer.
All your tips are welcome!
Thanks for your replies
Thanks for your replies
Hi everyone!
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
I’m currently a student on a gap year, and I don’t plan to go back to school right away. That said, traveling really interests me. But I’ve been wondering: does being a student come with any perks when you decide to go abroad? The real question is whether I should re-enroll in a program just to keep that status without actually attending.
Thanks in advance for your replies,
Axel
hi everyone,
I’m French and live in France, and my Thai girlfriend just told me she’s pregnant—she lives in Thailand. First step, a paternity test to set my mind at ease. What steps do I need to take to recognize the child? Can I do it before the birth or only after? Where do I need to go, and what paperwork is required?
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.
Just to clarify, I want him to stay in Thailand but be able to come to France anytime without any issues! Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.