Om Yv
Contrôle des ordinateurs à la douane française
by Yv
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
L'an dernier en rentrant de Penang (Malaisie), j'ai été informé de faire gaffe à l'arrivée en France au sujet du contrôle possible de mon ordi. Il se disait là bas que les douaniers français étaient maintenant habilité à vérifier le contenu des ordis à la recherche de films téléchargés illégalement ou de softs crackés.
Est ce réel ? La France a t'elle mis en route cette disposition ? Quelqu'un a t'il croisé ce ce cas ou cela lui est'il arrivé ? Il m'a aussi était dit que dans ce cas de figure, ils étaient alors habilité à confisquer purement et simplement l'ordi. Tout ça se passerait dans plusieurs pays du monde suite à la pression de Microsoft sur ces logiciels windows, particulièrement piratés...
quelqu'un a t'il des infos sur le sujet ?
Om Yv
Om Yv
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Je vois mal un douanier habilité à étudier le contenu de votre PC, qui soit dit en passant, peut être tout à fait légalement crypté.
La seule fois ou j'ai eu une remarque sur ce sujet, c'est à CDG, en partant. J'avais 3 PC et un superviseur de sécurité (apparemment) m'a demandé où j'allais en voyant mes 3 PC.
Ils ne savaient pas que c'était impossible, alors ils l'ont fait.
Pourtant déjà en Juillet 2005 Thuan disait :
"je ne serais pas si sure d'avancer que il n'y a pas de problème .. il y a aussi une nouvelle forme de douane qui se développe .. ce n'est pas tellement pour le matériel mais pour l'origine des programmes .. a surveiller .."
Sur le post "Ordinateur portable en voyage et douane"
Qu'en serait'il aujourd'hui depuis qu'une loi française rend criminalisable une majorité de français pour copies illégales de musiques, films et programmes ordinateurs ?
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Bonjour, je n'ai encore vu aucun controle de ce type en passant les douanes. Je pense qu'ils ont déja suffisamment a faire avec la recherche de drogue et de produits manufacturés contrefaits. Controler un ordinateur leur prendrait trop de temps.
Quelle est votre question ?
Savoir si la douane française peut contrôler le contenu d'un ordinateur. Oui, les pouvoirs de cette administration sont plus importants que ceux de la police (et l'ont toujours été, ce n'est pas récent)
Savoir si elle pratique cette activité à longueur de journée ? Non, des milliers de machines doivent transiter chaque jour et la prise d'un film ou logiciel piraté de temps en temps serait ridicule.
La douane a tous les droits, ils peuvent tres bien demander à voir ce que tu as sur ton PC.
La douane a tous les droits, ils peuvent tres bien demander à voir ce que tu as sur ton PC.
Non, ils n'ont pas tous les droits et fort heureusement d'ailleurs. Ils peuvent tres bien te demander a voir ce que tu as sur ton PC mais tu as tout a fait le droit de refuser. Sans autorisation d'un juge ils ne peuvent pas te contraindre a leur montrer.
Non, ils n'ont pas tous les droits et fort heureusement d'ailleurs. Ils peuvent tres bien te demander a voir ce que tu as sur ton PC mais tu as tout a fait le droit de refuser. Sans autorisation d'un juge ils ne peuvent pas te contraindre a leur montrer.
La douane a tous les droits, ils peuvent tres bien demander à voir ce que tu as sur ton PC.
J'attends de pied ferme le premier douanier qui va me demander d'allumer mon PC pour voir ce qu'il y a à l'intérieur 😎😎😎 La différence entre une démocratie et une dictature, c'est quand même qu'il y a un minimum de lois...
J'attends de pied ferme le premier douanier qui va me demander d'allumer mon PC pour voir ce qu'il y a à l'intérieur 😎😎😎 La différence entre une démocratie et une dictature, c'est quand même qu'il y a un minimum de lois...
Ils ne savaient pas que c'était impossible, alors ils l'ont fait.
Ben justement les lois changent.....
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Ben justement les lois changent.....
Nonon... en l'occurence les lois francaises sont tres claires sur le sujet. Sans commission rogatoire signee par un juge il est impossible d'acceder a ces donnees. Je voyage assez souvent avec des donnees sensibles et ca nous a ete clairement expliqué par nos experts juridiques.
Nonon... en l'occurence les lois francaises sont tres claires sur le sujet. Sans commission rogatoire signee par un juge il est impossible d'acceder a ces donnees. Je voyage assez souvent avec des donnees sensibles et ca nous a ete clairement expliqué par nos experts juridiques.
Et donc à l'entrée ou à la sortie de France, si on te demande de regarder dans ton ordi, tu refuses. Bien.
Que se passe t'il dans ces cas là ?
Ils te bloquent le temps de demander à un juge de ? Tu rates ton avion si tu es sur le départ ? Ils te mettent en garde à vue ?
Ils ne peuvent rien faire et te laisse passer ? : prendre ton avion au départ de paris, ou ton taxi ou rer à l'arrivée à paris ?
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Ils peuvent te bloquer s'ils le desirent et donc te faire louper ton avion.
Enfin ne t'inquiete pas, s'ils te demandent ca c'est qu'ils ont le juge a portee de main ou une commission rogatoire. Enfin en ce qui me concerne ca ne change rien, je ne suis pas proprietaire des donnees sur mon laptop et je dois demander l'autorisation de ma boite pour le montrer a un tiers.
Enfin ne t'inquiete pas, s'ils te demandent ca c'est qu'ils ont le juge a portee de main ou une commission rogatoire. Enfin en ce qui me concerne ca ne change rien, je ne suis pas proprietaire des donnees sur mon laptop et je dois demander l'autorisation de ma boite pour le montrer a un tiers.
Va voir sur le site de la douane. tu auras pleins de renseignements qui pourront te servir...
http://www.douane.gouv.fr/page.asp?id=44
de toutes façons comme je l'ai dis s'ils veulent voir ce que tu as dans ton PC ils regarderont. Tu rates ton vol ils en ont rien à faire.
de toutes façons comme je l'ai dis s'ils veulent voir ce que tu as dans ton PC ils regarderont. Tu rates ton vol ils en ont rien à faire.
Bonjour,
de toutes façons comme je l'ai dis s'ils veulent voir ce que tu as dans ton PC ils regarderont.
Euh.... S'ils font les formalités pour en avoir le droit, oui, mais il faut que ça en vaille la peine...
Michel
de toutes façons comme je l'ai dis s'ils veulent voir ce que tu as dans ton PC ils regarderont.
Euh.... S'ils font les formalités pour en avoir le droit, oui, mais il faut que ça en vaille la peine...
Michel
Oui evidemment, ça ne doit pas arriver souvent qu'on "vienne" te fouiller ton PC, il faut avoir de sérieuses
raison ........
La douane Française a des droits très étendus. Vos experts juridiques sont un peu nuls... Le code des Douanes dit :
Article 60 Pour l'application des dispositions du présent code et en vue de la recherche de la fraude, les agents des douanes peuvent procéder à la visite des marchandises et des moyens de transport et à celle des personnes.
Ton PC est une marchandise, ils ont le droit de le fouiller dans tous les sens du terme, comme ton téléphone ou tes autres affaires, comme ton véhicule si t'es sur la route ou même comme tes propres orifices naturels.
PS : Je sais que le sujet est vieux mais il reste référencé par google, donc accessible encore aujourd'hui assez facilement. Mieux vaut corriger ce genre de choses pour éviter que les gens se mettent dans l'embarras lors d'un contrôle douanier.
Article 60 Pour l'application des dispositions du présent code et en vue de la recherche de la fraude, les agents des douanes peuvent procéder à la visite des marchandises et des moyens de transport et à celle des personnes.
Ton PC est une marchandise, ils ont le droit de le fouiller dans tous les sens du terme, comme ton téléphone ou tes autres affaires, comme ton véhicule si t'es sur la route ou même comme tes propres orifices naturels.
PS : Je sais que le sujet est vieux mais il reste référencé par google, donc accessible encore aujourd'hui assez facilement. Mieux vaut corriger ce genre de choses pour éviter que les gens se mettent dans l'embarras lors d'un contrôle douanier.
Je ne suis pas juriste, donc je ne peux pas juger de qui a raison ou non. Ce que je sais c'est que lorsque ma boite m'a remis mon PC, on m'a aussi remis un document decrivant un certain nombre de regles, et en particulier le controle au frontieres. J'ignore si le contenu de mon PC est une marchandise ou non, ce que je sais c'est qu'on nous explique qu'on n'est pas cense donner notre mot de passe pour acceder au contenu du PC, sauf sur demande d'un juge.
Apres, par rapport au commun des mortels, il faut savoir que nos disques durs sont cryptes.... donc y acceder sans mot de passe est complique.
Apres, si je suis certain de la competence de nos juristes, peut-etre nous disent ils cela meme si ce n'est pas exact de maniere a nous responsabiliser.
Apres, si je suis certain de la competence de nos juristes, peut-etre nous disent ils cela meme si ce n'est pas exact de maniere a nous responsabiliser.
Pour le mot de passe c'est effectivement possible, mais ça sera caractérisé comme opposition à fonction ( délit ) ( art 53 ) et là ça passe au niveau d'au dessus. Evidemment tout cela est bien théorique, pour la majorité des cas ils s'en foutent de ce qu'il y a dans le PC, mais pour une personne retrouvée avec 8kg de résine dans la valise, ils vont chercher par tous les moyens à savoir d'où ça vient et où ça va, et là le PC ou le téléphone peuvent délivrer des infos utiles, surtout qu'un PC ça prend du temps pour le fouiller.
Je réagissais juste sur la faisabilité de la chose, la loi leur en donne le droit, pas besoin comme la police ou la gendarmerie d'avoir l'aval de la justice pour une fouille, c'est dans leurs prérogatives, après à part de très forts soupçons ou un flagrant délit, ils vont pas s'amuser à fouiller le PC du quidam lambda. Et sincèrement ils vont pas faire de l'espionnage industriel ou voler les données de X ou Y entreprise, ça reste des agents de l'Etat assermentés.
Si on a rien a se reprocher, le mieux c'est obtempérer, le douanier est taquin, faut pas rentrer dans son collimateur 😄
Je réagissais juste sur la faisabilité de la chose, la loi leur en donne le droit, pas besoin comme la police ou la gendarmerie d'avoir l'aval de la justice pour une fouille, c'est dans leurs prérogatives, après à part de très forts soupçons ou un flagrant délit, ils vont pas s'amuser à fouiller le PC du quidam lambda. Et sincèrement ils vont pas faire de l'espionnage industriel ou voler les données de X ou Y entreprise, ça reste des agents de l'Etat assermentés.
Si on a rien a se reprocher, le mieux c'est obtempérer, le douanier est taquin, faut pas rentrer dans son collimateur 😄
Les douaniers peuvent "visiter" un PC en vertu de l'article 60 du code des douanes... et donc le démonter pour inspecter son contenu physique (ou le passer à tout appareil de détection approprié). Cet article ne les autorise pas à examiner le contenu logique d'un espace de stockage lisible uniquement par une machine.
L'article 64 du code autorise cependant la consultation du contenu logique des disques ... mais avec une ordonnance du JLD et uniquement pour la recherche de certaines infractions!
Par contre cette solution n'est valable que pour la France ... et pour les Etats ayant ratifié la Convention européenne des droits de l'Homme...
L'article 64 du code autorise cependant la consultation du contenu logique des disques ... mais avec une ordonnance du JLD et uniquement pour la recherche de certaines infractions!
Par contre cette solution n'est valable que pour la France ... et pour les Etats ayant ratifié la Convention européenne des droits de l'Homme...
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Hello,
We’ll soon be moving to Madagascar long-term.
As a French national, I need to obtain a short-stay visa that can be converted to a long-stay one. To do this, I have to send the required documents to the Madagascar embassy in Paris.
No issues with that procedure so far.
If I get this visa, once I arrive in Madagascar, I’ll need to provide the same documents to the Ministry of the Interior in Anosy. I’m trying to find an email address or website for the Ministry to check which documents I need to submit (I think they ask for additional ones).
If you have any info on this, I’d appreciate your replies.
Best regards,
M. Buisson Eric
Hi there,
I’d like to know if anyone has already applied for a private visa to Russia with an invitation from a Russian resident. I traveled earlier this year with an e-visa, but since I want to stay longer, I’ll be visiting my friend who lives in eastern Russia. For the visa application, does the invitation need to be on an official paper form issued by the Russian ministry? And most importantly, do I need to present the original for the application, or is there an electronic version that can be sent directly to the consulate in France? Thanks for any info if you’ve gone through this process before!
Best regards,
Gilles
I’d like to know if anyone has already applied for a private visa to Russia with an invitation from a Russian resident. I traveled earlier this year with an e-visa, but since I want to stay longer, I’ll be visiting my friend who lives in eastern Russia. For the visa application, does the invitation need to be on an official paper form issued by the Russian ministry? And most importantly, do I need to present the original for the application, or is there an electronic version that can be sent directly to the consulate in France? Thanks for any info if you’ve gone through this process before!
Best regards,
Gilles
I filled out the B2 form to apply for a visa, created an account on Atvis to pay the visa fees and schedule a meet-up, but every time I try to pay with my Boursobank Visa 1st card, they refuse the payment with a message telling me to check my details (address), even though everything is correct. Does anyone know why this is happening, or maybe they don’t accept Visa cards? Are you aware of this?
Thanks for your feedback!
Elisabeth
Hi,
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted. Is this real or just a hoax? Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received. Thanks everyone.
There are rumors going around about the ETA: it must absolutely be on your smartphone in the "ETA" app.
Paper documents might not be accepted. Is this real or just a hoax? Thanks, I’m leaving in 3 weeks. My passport is good to go and my ETA is still valid for a year, but I only printed the email I received. Thanks everyone.
Hi there,
We need to apply for a B2 visa because we visited Iran in 2018. It currently costs $185, but they’re planning an additional $250 fee per person for the same visa—it’s been approved but not yet implemented. Does anyone know when this fee will take effect?
Thanks in advance!
Elisabeth
Hi there,
In November, we're heading off on a 4-month trip. We'll be landing in China and plan to leave the country via a land border into Vietnam.
I’ve read that China may ask for proof of exit within 30 days (flight ticket or other reservation). Since we’d be leaving by land, I’m wondering how this works in practice.
Has anyone here been in this situation recently?
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊
Did the airline ask for an exit ticket before boarding? Did Chinese authorities require proof upon arrival? Is a train/bus ticket to Vietnam sufficient? Is a cancelable or flexible reservation accepted?
Thanks for sharing your experiences! 😊
Hi there,
Just a question that’s probably been asked before (though usually the other way around for my situation :))
My wife and I are heading to the US.
On her ticket, it only has her maiden name (e.g., Martine DUPOND).
On her passport, it’s written as Martine DUPOND épouse AVRY.
No issues for travel, I hope I did the right thing with the ticket?
Then for the ESTA, is just Martine DUPOND enough, or do I need to include the "épouse AVRY" part like on the passport?
Thanks in advance!
Hi there,
I’m spending a few days in San Pedro de Atacama (Chile) and would like to cross the Argentine border to make a loop toward Salta and then return to Chile to drop off the rental car.
I’ve heard that crossing the border can be tricky!
Is it possible with a rental company’s authorization? Which company, and at what cost?
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Best regards,
Arnale







