Grippe A ? La fin d'un despote éclairé ?
Inquiétudes autour de la santé du roi de Thaïlande
by Warden
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
16/10/2009
Associated Press
La santé du roi de Thaïlande, Bhumibol Adulyadej, 81 ans, suscite des inquiétudes dans son pays.
Le monarque a été hospitalisé il y a presque un mois, et les marchés financiers accusent le coup. La Bourse de Bangkok a cédé 5, 3% jeudi, après un premier décrochage de 2% la veille.
Le palais refuse de donner trop de précisions sur le mal qui affecte Bhumibol, pour ne pas précipiter la course à la succession. Le prince héritier, Vajiralongkorn, n'a pas la stature de son père, qui a incarné l'unité du pays depuis 63 ans
Le monarque a régné depuis le plus grand nombre d'années au monde. Il aurait ressenti de la fatigue, attrapé la fièvre, et perdu l'appétit. Il souffrirait aussi d'une inflammation du poumon, qui peut être un signe de pneumonie. AP
Grippe A ? La fin d'un despote éclairé ?
Grippe A ? La fin d'un despote éclairé ?
"Le voyage commence là où s'arrêtent nos certitudes..."
Mingalaba, Sawasdee, Xin chào, Tjomreab Souor, Selamat datang, Sabaidee
16/10/2009
Associated Press
La santé du roi de Thaïlande, Bhumibol Adulyadej, 81 ans, suscite des inquiétudes dans son pays.
Le monarque a été hospitalisé il y a presque un mois, et les marchés financiers accusent le coup. La Bourse de Bangkok a cédé 5, 3% jeudi, après un premier décrochage de 2% la veille.
Le palais refuse de donner trop de précisions sur le mal qui affecte Bhumibol, pour ne pas précipiter la course à la succession. Le prince héritier, Vajiralongkorn, n'a pas la stature de son père, qui a incarné l'unité du pays depuis 63 ans
Le monarque a régné depuis le plus grand nombre d'années au monde. Il aurait ressenti de la fatigue, attrapé la fièvre, et perdu l'appétit. Il souffrirait aussi d'une inflammation du poumon, qui peut être un signe de pneumonie. AP
Grippe A ? La fin d'un despote éclairé ?
Bjr, Les hospitalisations du Roi sont fréquentes depuis quelques années, et à son âge, toute affection peut être fatale. Il n' était d'ailleurs pas apparu, alors que c'est un événement important pour le peuple, lors de son dernier anniversaire, le 5 déc 2008. Ses dernières apparitions publiques le montrent très affaibli...
Grippe A ? La fin d'un despote éclairé ?
Bjr, Les hospitalisations du Roi sont fréquentes depuis quelques années, et à son âge, toute affection peut être fatale. Il n' était d'ailleurs pas apparu, alors que c'est un événement important pour le peuple, lors de son dernier anniversaire, le 5 déc 2008. Ses dernières apparitions publiques le montrent très affaibli...
Chacun possède la force créatrice de l'univers. Il crée sa réalité et se doit d'en assumer les conséquences.
Le Bouddha Gautama, vers 500 av J.C.
La fin d'un despote éclairé ?
Salut warden, Il est un peu abusif de traiter le Roi de "despote" (éclairé ou pas) vu qu'il intervient très peu dans les affaires de l'Etat, je te renvoie a la définition de ce qu'est un despote 😕
Salut warden, Il est un peu abusif de traiter le Roi de "despote" (éclairé ou pas) vu qu'il intervient très peu dans les affaires de l'Etat, je te renvoie a la définition de ce qu'est un despote 😕
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
... Le monarque a régné depuis le plus grand nombre d'années au monde ...
Non. Louis XIV a (pour l'instant) fait mieux. En revanche, l'actuel roi de Thaïlande est le monarque encore en vie dont le règne est le plus long au monde, oui.
Non. Louis XIV a (pour l'instant) fait mieux. En revanche, l'actuel roi de Thaïlande est le monarque encore en vie dont le règne est le plus long au monde, oui.
assofi.org : Club Francophone en Isan (Thaïlande du Nord-Est) | echo-isan.com : Nouvelles de Thaïlande du Nord-Est et d'ailleurs...
La fin d'un despote éclairé ? 
Salut warden, Il est un peu abusif de traiter le Roi de "despote" (éclairé ou pas) vu qu'il intervient très peu dans les affaires de l'Etat, je te renvoie a la définition de ce qu'est un despote 😕
Salut Boum ,
Tu as raison rien à voir .
Voir ce post qui contredit l'article de Warden , voir ICI .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
"Le roi Bhumibol est un monarque constitutionnel sans rôle politique formel mais qui a régulièrement ramené le calme dans des moments de turbulence et qui est communément révéré comme l'autorité morale et la figure unificatrice du pays"
Exactement, comme le dit l'article que tu cites, très éloigné de la définition d'un despote ... alors on garde la 2ème partie et on dira un "monarque éclairé"? 😉
Exactement, comme le dit l'article que tu cites, très éloigné de la définition d'un despote ... alors on garde la 2ème partie et on dira un "monarque éclairé"? 😉
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
Salut Barbot 🙂
Tout d'abord ceci n'est pas mon article mais une dépêche de l'AP comme cité en préambule à 05H00 du matin ce jour.
Quant à mes questionnements, ceux-ci restent des questionnements et non des affirmations et n'ont qu'un but, réussis, de faire réagir les VFistes. En même temps dans la dépêche "suisse" contredisant celle de l'AP on trouve :
"Le roi de Thaïlande exerce une très forte autorité morale et reste considéré comme la seule personnalité capable de réunir les Thaïlandais, dont certains le considèrent comme un demi-dieu. Il est protégé par une des lois contre le crime de lèse-majesté les plus répressives du monde. (©AFP / 16 octobre 2009 13h34)"
Sous l'Empire russe, Pierre le Grand est considéré comme un despote éclairé un pouvoir fort et sans pitié et une société en plein développement et modernisation. Peut-être d'ici 50 ans dira-t-on cela du règne de ce roi Siamois... Ou il est un pantin aux mains de quelques militaires depuis plus de 50 ans, ou il est plus machiavélique que ne le laisse paraitre sa lisse apparence... Ou autre chose !
Le débat est toujours ouvert
Tout d'abord ceci n'est pas mon article mais une dépêche de l'AP comme cité en préambule à 05H00 du matin ce jour.
Quant à mes questionnements, ceux-ci restent des questionnements et non des affirmations et n'ont qu'un but, réussis, de faire réagir les VFistes. En même temps dans la dépêche "suisse" contredisant celle de l'AP on trouve :
"Le roi de Thaïlande exerce une très forte autorité morale et reste considéré comme la seule personnalité capable de réunir les Thaïlandais, dont certains le considèrent comme un demi-dieu. Il est protégé par une des lois contre le crime de lèse-majesté les plus répressives du monde. (©AFP / 16 octobre 2009 13h34)"
Sous l'Empire russe, Pierre le Grand est considéré comme un despote éclairé un pouvoir fort et sans pitié et une société en plein développement et modernisation. Peut-être d'ici 50 ans dira-t-on cela du règne de ce roi Siamois... Ou il est un pantin aux mains de quelques militaires depuis plus de 50 ans, ou il est plus machiavélique que ne le laisse paraitre sa lisse apparence... Ou autre chose !
Le débat est toujours ouvert
"Le voyage commence là où s'arrêtent nos certitudes..."
Mingalaba, Sawasdee, Xin chào, Tjomreab Souor, Selamat datang, Sabaidee
Tout d'abord ceci n'est pas mon article mais une dépêche de l'AP comme cité en préambule à 05H00 du matin ce jour.
Salut Warden ,
Oui j'avais très bien compris que c'était une dépêche de l'AP et non ton article , pas de soucis . 😉
Mais parfois faut se méfier des journalistes . 🤪
Salut Warden ,
Oui j'avais très bien compris que c'était une dépêche de l'AP et non ton article , pas de soucis . 😉
Mais parfois faut se méfier des journalistes . 🤪
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
L'état de santé du roi est inquiétant depuis plusieurs années .Sa mort prochaine est anticipée par la mise en avant du prince lors des reportages quotidiens concernant la famille royale à la TV.Dans ces conditions, il faut s'attendre au pire dans les jours ou les semaines à venir.L'hospitalisation du roi est toujours l'occasion d'un festival de la langue de bois(perte d'appétit, fièvre, fatigue....)Ses dernières apparitions publiques laissent supposer un état de santé très précaire.Le prince n'est pas aimé par le peuple qui ne supporte pas ses frasques et sa froideur.Mais, par le passé, la succession au trone a réservé bien des surprises et des mystères non résolus à ce jour.La mort du Roi sera une tragédie nationale mais elle a été anticipée ;la succession est déjà réglée .
thierry3468
Bjr,
Votre expression "despote éclairée" est parfaitement admissible, ...malheureusement, certains n'auront retenu que la moitié de l'expression, comme à leur habitude...
Un peu comme si de "monarchie constitutionnelle" dans ce pays, on ne retenait que "monarchie"...
Le Petit Robert indique donc pour "despote éclairé": monarque absolu, adepte de la philosophie des Lumières, au 18è siècle.
Ce qui convient plutôt assez bien à SM Bhumipol..." The King can do wrong" ( comme il le dit lui-même), me paraît plus relever d'un "despote éclairé" que d'un "despote"...
La personnalité de ce monarque n'est pas en cause, d'ailleurs, en ce qui concerne les luttes de clans, derrière le rideau officiel, entre militaires, haut-clergé et autres...
Résultat des courses, sans doute, dans quelques mois...
Chacun possède la force créatrice de l'univers. Il crée sa réalité et se doit d'en assumer les conséquences.
Le Bouddha Gautama, vers 500 av J.C.
Warden, toi qui connait la Thailande tu devrais savoir que le pouvoir du Roi est surtout moral et pas politique (ou si peu) ni économique. L'adoration des thailandais pour le Roi, même si elle est entretenue voire encouragée, au cours de leur éducation ne justifie pas d'un despotisme, tu mélanges tout la 😉 Pierre le Grand, tout éclairé qu'il fut, était un despote car il exercait un pouvoir sans partage or le Roi en Thailande ne gouverne pas il me semble.
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
la succession est déjà réglée
Salut ,
Je suis d'accord avec toi . +1 .
Salut ,
Je suis d'accord avec toi . +1 .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
"mâi pen rai" 😏
Certe, BOUM, il ne gouverne pas, il laisse cela à quelques premiers ministre d'opérette.
Lorsque certains veulent transformer le régime monarchique actuel en monarchie parlementaire à la mode anglaise, Il fait organiser ou laisse s'organiser quelques "golpe", laisse quelques troubles s'instaurer et fini par recevoir tout son petit monde agenouillé devant lui, demandant pardon, afin de paraitre être le rassembleur ultime de la nation Thaïe...
Alors il nomme un nouveau premier ministre, jaune, rouge et bientôt mauve, un par jour de la semaine...
Alors oui il ne gouverne pas, (pas intéressant ) mais il dirige dans les faits, oui...
Mais tout ceci ne nous regarde pas, hein !
"Le voyage commence là où s'arrêtent nos certitudes..."
Mingalaba, Sawasdee, Xin chào, Tjomreab Souor, Selamat datang, Sabaidee
Certes certes warden 😉 on est d'accord dans les faits sauf que je pense que d'autres que le Roi tirent les ficelles. Le Roi a d'autres préoccupations je crois, plus spirituelles que politiques, c'est pour cela que je trouvais le terme un peu abusif 😛 mais, comme tu le dis bien, tout ceci ne nous regarde pas 😇
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
😮😇😇🙂 +1=1
"Le voyage commence là où s'arrêtent nos certitudes..."
Mingalaba, Sawasdee, Xin chào, Tjomreab Souor, Selamat datang, Sabaidee
la succession est déjà réglée .
(...enfin, j'me comprends!...😎)
(...enfin, j'me comprends!...😎)
Chacun possède la force créatrice de l'univers. Il crée sa réalité et se doit d'en assumer les conséquences.
Le Bouddha Gautama, vers 500 av J.C.
Une chose est certaine, j'espère ne pas être en Thailande le jour où... 😐😐😕
"Si vous croisez le Bouddha, tuez-le !!!"
Bonjour
Si nous nous inquietons de la santé du Roi , c est que le jour ou il va partir , cela sera le Bordel . Je dois y aller le 25 decembre et je dois avouer que les jaunes et rouges vont reaparaitre( si le Roi meurt) et la on ne sait pas les consequences , mais on peut les deviner !Putch ? Certainement , ce sont des habitués du genre . Taksin , reviendra t il ? Je pense que oui !!C est un populiste et je ne vois pas le fils du Roi . Bon tout ca , cela ne nous regarde pas...................!! Mais ne restez pas a Bangkok , ce jour la !!
Si nous nous inquietons de la santé du Roi , c est que le jour ou il va partir , cela sera le Bordel . Je dois y aller le 25 decembre et je dois avouer que les jaunes et rouges vont reaparaitre( si le Roi meurt) et la on ne sait pas les consequences , mais on peut les deviner !Putch ? Certainement , ce sont des habitués du genre . Taksin , reviendra t il ? Je pense que oui !!C est un populiste et je ne vois pas le fils du Roi . Bon tout ca , cela ne nous regarde pas...................!! Mais ne restez pas a Bangkok , ce jour la !!
daniel
Pour le moment personne ne sait même les médias qui eux même se contredise , laissons cela aux thaïs par respect pour eux tout simplement .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Bonjour
Si nous nous inquietons de la santé du Roi , c est que le jour ou il va partir , cela sera le Bordel . Je dois y aller le 25 decembre et je dois avouer que les jaunes et rouges vont reaparaitre( si le Roi meurt) et la on ne sait pas les consequences , mais on peut les deviner !Putch ? Certainement , ce sont des habitués du genre . Taksin , reviendra t il ? Je pense que oui !!C est un populiste et je ne vois pas le fils du Roi . Bon tout ca , cela ne nous regarde pas...................!! Mais ne restez pas a Bangkok , ce jour la !!
Bsr, ... moi aussi!...permettez-moi une pointe d'ironie à propos d'un post qui nous indique que tout est déjà prêt...! Ce n'est ni une marque d'irrespect pour le Roi, ni une marque de jemenfoutisme, bien au contraire... Tout n'est-il pas possible, dans un sens comme dans l'autre?... je ne pense pas que les partisans de Thaksin se soient exprimés contre la monarchie... la mort du Roi sera profondément ressentie dans la population, et les semaines qui suivront sa disparition seront déterminantes.Certes... Maintenant, que ce soient les uns ou bien les autres au pouvoir, est-ce que cela change vraiment quelque chose?... Je pense par contre que nombreux sont ceux qui ne comprendraient pas des événements violents juste après sa mort, et qui n'aspirent qu' au calme... De plus, combien...? 20 coups d'état?...30 ministres?...On n'a pas attendu la mort du souverain pour agir...En tout cas, s'il s'agit de donner raison aux Jaunes ou aux Rouges...il ya du vrai dans les 2 camps! (et je ne suis pas jésuitique...!)
Si nous nous inquietons de la santé du Roi , c est que le jour ou il va partir , cela sera le Bordel . Je dois y aller le 25 decembre et je dois avouer que les jaunes et rouges vont reaparaitre( si le Roi meurt) et la on ne sait pas les consequences , mais on peut les deviner !Putch ? Certainement , ce sont des habitués du genre . Taksin , reviendra t il ? Je pense que oui !!C est un populiste et je ne vois pas le fils du Roi . Bon tout ca , cela ne nous regarde pas...................!! Mais ne restez pas a Bangkok , ce jour la !!
Bsr, ... moi aussi!...permettez-moi une pointe d'ironie à propos d'un post qui nous indique que tout est déjà prêt...! Ce n'est ni une marque d'irrespect pour le Roi, ni une marque de jemenfoutisme, bien au contraire... Tout n'est-il pas possible, dans un sens comme dans l'autre?... je ne pense pas que les partisans de Thaksin se soient exprimés contre la monarchie... la mort du Roi sera profondément ressentie dans la population, et les semaines qui suivront sa disparition seront déterminantes.Certes... Maintenant, que ce soient les uns ou bien les autres au pouvoir, est-ce que cela change vraiment quelque chose?... Je pense par contre que nombreux sont ceux qui ne comprendraient pas des événements violents juste après sa mort, et qui n'aspirent qu' au calme... De plus, combien...? 20 coups d'état?...30 ministres?...On n'a pas attendu la mort du souverain pour agir...En tout cas, s'il s'agit de donner raison aux Jaunes ou aux Rouges...il ya du vrai dans les 2 camps! (et je ne suis pas jésuitique...!)
Chacun possède la force créatrice de l'univers. Il crée sa réalité et se doit d'en assumer les conséquences.
Le Bouddha Gautama, vers 500 av J.C.
BSR ,
Il est vrai que chaque pays a un amortisseur social !! La France , ce sont les prestations sociales , type securité sociale , assedic . etc...etc . La Thailande c est la royauté , comme au Maroc , entre autre et j ai bien peur pour les Thailandais que ce soit les jaunes ou les rouges , que rien ne change !!La royauté est donc necessaire dans un Pays ou les inegalités sont importantes et ou le Peuple n a pas d autre issue que de croire en dieu ou a Boudha .
Il est vrai que chaque pays a un amortisseur social !! La France , ce sont les prestations sociales , type securité sociale , assedic . etc...etc . La Thailande c est la royauté , comme au Maroc , entre autre et j ai bien peur pour les Thailandais que ce soit les jaunes ou les rouges , que rien ne change !!La royauté est donc necessaire dans un Pays ou les inegalités sont importantes et ou le Peuple n a pas d autre issue que de croire en dieu ou a Boudha .
daniel
Pour le moment personne ne sait même les médias qui eux même se contredise , laissons cela aux thaïs par respect pour eux tout simplement .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
Je ne vois pas l irrespect , lorsque l on s interpelle , au sujet de la santé d un Roi qui a 81 ans . A moins que vous consideriez que nous fassions preuve d ingerence , dans les affaires Thai . Ce qui n est pas le cas !
La question est de savoir si justement le Pays du sourire pourra s en sortir lorsque le Roi decedera . C est vouloir leur bonheur et n a rien avoir avec une quelcquonque indiscretion ou irrespect .
C est trop facile d etre moraliste comme cela!!
daniel
Je dis le fond de ma pensée tout simplement , sans plus .
@+ , Marco .
On aura jamais assez de temps pour tout ce qu'on veut découvrir et comprendre dans nos voyages qu'on se le dise , Amis voyageurs .
BSR ,
Il est vrai que chaque pays a un amortisseur social !! La France , ce sont les prestations sociales , type securité sociale , assedic . etc...etc . La Thailande c est la royauté , comme au Maroc , entre autre et j ai bien peur pour les Thailandais que ce soit les jaunes ou les rouges , que rien ne change !!La royauté est donc necessaire dans un Pays ou les inegalités sont importantes et ou le Peuple n a pas d autre issue que de croire en dieu ou a Boudha .
...Mouais...pour l'instant, ce serait plutôt Thaksin qui aurait mis en place un minimum d'amortisseurs...!...Mais bon...A mon avis, si la royauté Bhumipol est nécessaire, je ne sais pas si la suivante la paraîtra autant pour les Thaïs... De toute façon , nombreux sont les gouvernements de tous bords qui se rendent compte (particulièrement depuis la crise toujours en cours) que le social n'est pas un investissement à perte... ...Enfin...ce ne sera peut-être pas "God save the Queen"...Mais Buddha save the Queen...!...Qui sait?...
Il est vrai que chaque pays a un amortisseur social !! La France , ce sont les prestations sociales , type securité sociale , assedic . etc...etc . La Thailande c est la royauté , comme au Maroc , entre autre et j ai bien peur pour les Thailandais que ce soit les jaunes ou les rouges , que rien ne change !!La royauté est donc necessaire dans un Pays ou les inegalités sont importantes et ou le Peuple n a pas d autre issue que de croire en dieu ou a Boudha .
...Mouais...pour l'instant, ce serait plutôt Thaksin qui aurait mis en place un minimum d'amortisseurs...!...Mais bon...A mon avis, si la royauté Bhumipol est nécessaire, je ne sais pas si la suivante la paraîtra autant pour les Thaïs... De toute façon , nombreux sont les gouvernements de tous bords qui se rendent compte (particulièrement depuis la crise toujours en cours) que le social n'est pas un investissement à perte... ...Enfin...ce ne sera peut-être pas "God save the Queen"...Mais Buddha save the Queen...!...Qui sait?...
Chacun possède la force créatrice de l'univers. Il crée sa réalité et se doit d'en assumer les conséquences.
Le Bouddha Gautama, vers 500 av J.C.
Qui vivra verra..mais pour la succession du Roi, (le plus tard possible.....Long live the King...) je ne serais pas étonné de voir une solution à la "Thaïlandaise"...........Ou tout le monde aura gagné une place et bien sur pas perdu la face.......
Une Régence ? avec la fille bien aimée du Peuple aux manettes et le fils sur le Trône ?😉 Ou tout autre solution qui permettra à la vie de continuer le plus paisiblement possible....😇
Une Régence ? avec la fille bien aimée du Peuple aux manettes et le fils sur le Trône ?😉 Ou tout autre solution qui permettra à la vie de continuer le plus paisiblement possible....😇
Tout le monde meurt, peu de gens vivent .
Je n'aime pas donner des réponses ... . Aujourd'hui, quand on donne aux gens des réponses, ils ont l'impression qu'on les prend pour des imbéciles et qu'on empiète sur leur liberté. Mon testament philosophique Citations de Jean Guitton
Je n'aime pas donner des réponses ... . Aujourd'hui, quand on donne aux gens des réponses, ils ont l'impression qu'on les prend pour des imbéciles et qu'on empiète sur leur liberté. Mon testament philosophique Citations de Jean Guitton
Oui , je verrais plutot la Fille , t as raison et puis que chacun gagne un petit peu . Mais bon les Thailandais ont su gerer pour ne pas tomber dans l horreur . Au cours de la derniere guerre Mondiale , ils ont su etre tres malin pour ne pas se faire envahir , en changeant de camp au dernier moment!!!!
daniel
Au cours de la derniere guerre Mondiale , ils ont su etre tres malin pour ne pas se faire envahir
un peu comme partout, face à l'adversité étrangère, on sert les coudes et on reste solidaire. Là, la situation politique nationale et la confrontation entre les 2 camps, pro vs contre Thaksin, rend l'avenir un peu plus préoccupant.
Bye.
un peu comme partout, face à l'adversité étrangère, on sert les coudes et on reste solidaire. Là, la situation politique nationale et la confrontation entre les 2 camps, pro vs contre Thaksin, rend l'avenir un peu plus préoccupant.
Bye.
Quand l'eau baisse les fourmis mangent les poissons; quand l'eau monte les poissons mangent les fourmis.
Il n'y a que le changement qui ne change pas.
Oui , je verrais plutot la Fille , t as raison et puis que chacun gagne un petit peu . Mais bon les Thailandais ont su gerer pour ne pas tomber dans l horreur . Au cours de la derniere guerre Mondiale , ils ont su etre tres malin pour ne pas se faire envahir , en changeant de camp au dernier moment!!!!
...c'est une façon de présenter les choses... pour ne pas perdre la face?...entre "permettre le passage des troupes japonaises " et "être envahi"...!?...Je vous renvoie aux pages du net traitant de cette époque et de l'immédiat après-guerre, (ce n'est pas ma tasse de café glacé), mais autant le pouvoir central a pu effectivement "sauver sa tête", voire profiter de la situation, autant les populations locales ont souffert (comme pratiquement partout!), tant entre 41 et 45, que dans l'immédiat après-guerre...
...c'est une façon de présenter les choses... pour ne pas perdre la face?...entre "permettre le passage des troupes japonaises " et "être envahi"...!?...Je vous renvoie aux pages du net traitant de cette époque et de l'immédiat après-guerre, (ce n'est pas ma tasse de café glacé), mais autant le pouvoir central a pu effectivement "sauver sa tête", voire profiter de la situation, autant les populations locales ont souffert (comme pratiquement partout!), tant entre 41 et 45, que dans l'immédiat après-guerre...
Chacun possède la force créatrice de l'univers. Il crée sa réalité et se doit d'en assumer les conséquences.
Le Bouddha Gautama, vers 500 av J.C.
Tiens, j'ai cru (encore) 'oir un 'ros sujet politique (partisan) sur la Thaïlande !
Etonnant comme la haine de certains, répétée à l'envi, peut se manifester aussi librement sans que personne ne vienne recourir à la dénonciation ... (çà, au moins, c'est pas de la xénophilie ! 😉)
Les "rumeurs" (et chuchottements) sur la santé du Roi ces derniers jours sont un "scam" élaboré pour faire baisser la Bourse et se mettre plein de fric dans les fouilles !
Qui sont les bénéficiaires, je vous laisse deviner, mais je doute qu'ils remercient ceux qui déblatèrent ici ... (et çà n'a rien à voir avec le foot 😉)
Mais, pourquoi pas essayer de réclamer un 'tit kèk choz ?
😎
Etonnant comme la haine de certains, répétée à l'envi, peut se manifester aussi librement sans que personne ne vienne recourir à la dénonciation ... (çà, au moins, c'est pas de la xénophilie ! 😉)
Les "rumeurs" (et chuchottements) sur la santé du Roi ces derniers jours sont un "scam" élaboré pour faire baisser la Bourse et se mettre plein de fric dans les fouilles !
Qui sont les bénéficiaires, je vous laisse deviner, mais je doute qu'ils remercient ceux qui déblatèrent ici ... (et çà n'a rien à voir avec le foot 😉)
Mais, pourquoi pas essayer de réclamer un 'tit kèk choz ?
😎
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
Etonnant comme la haine de certains, répétée à l'envi, peut se manifester
aussi librement sans que personne ne vienne recourir à la dénonciation ...
Il y a un proverbe qui dit : le bossu ne voit pas sa bosse.
Ton message me semble particulièrement bien appliqué pour tes propres propos, foi d'historique Voyageforum.com, au plus fort des troubles politiques fin 2008, début 2009.😎
Il y a un proverbe qui dit : le bossu ne voit pas sa bosse.
Ton message me semble particulièrement bien appliqué pour tes propres propos, foi d'historique Voyageforum.com, au plus fort des troubles politiques fin 2008, début 2009.😎
Quand l'eau baisse les fourmis mangent les poissons; quand l'eau monte les poissons mangent les fourmis.
Il n'y a que le changement qui ne change pas.
Voici confirmé ce que j'ai indiqué plus haut :
1.Les chuchottements sont contredits officiellement ...
King's Health : No cause for concern
2.La Bourse récupère (en partie pour l'instant) ses pertes :
Share prices rebound as foreign investors return By WICHIT CHAITRONG THE NATION Published on October 17, 2009
Foreign investors familiar with local politics still have high confidence in Thailand despite politically sensitive rumours that have hit the stock market in recent days.
Share prices yesterday gained more than 3 per cent to close at 717.12 points on turnover of Bt29 billion after losing heavily on Wednesday and Thursday. "Thais can manage their politics because they have experience, " said Liam Ayudhkij, group chairman of the Property Care Services (Thailand), an Irish businessman who has lived in the Kingdom for 46 years.
Ayudhkij told The Nation on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Ireland Business Forum at the Dusit Thani Hotel in Bangkok that he had lived through several dictatorial regimes, including that of Field Marshal Sarit Thanarat (1957-63). Irish-Thai Chamber of Commerce president Jerome Kelly expressed a similar view, saying the present government's stability had been "pretty good" these past 10 months.
Asked how he would describe the Thai situation to foreign friends, Kelly said: "Thailand is just fine." Finance Minister Korn Chatikavanij said the stock market's correction had helped restrain the baht from further appreciation.
Kelly said that was good for exporters. It was a normal investment practice in the equity market for foreign investors to take profits from previous stock-index rises and local-currency appreciation. He also suggested local investors look at the economic fundamentals and urged them not to panic.
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said the government was investigating the source of the rumours. He warned investors to be cautious when considering information and urged the Stock Exchange of Thailand (SET) and the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to examine whether anyone was creating problems in the stock market. He said the authorities should determine whether spreading rumours was against the law.
Abhisit said that whether the government took legal action would depend on how much trading had been affected by any wrongdoing.
SEC secretary-general Thirachai Phuvanatnaranubala said police had asked him for information on the source of the rumours. He said Wednesday and Thursday's stock transactions had been made by various investors "in a diversifying manner", which was not unusual. Asked whether US news-service provider Bloomberg could have exacerbated the situation by reporting the rumours, Thirachai dismissed such speculation, saying it had published news about the rumours after the stocks had already fallen.
Meanwhile, he said the Capital Market Development Committee yesterday agreed to the SET's demutualisation plan and would soon set up a special committee to oversee the process. A plan will soon be submitted for Cabinet approval. SET president Patareeya Benjapholchai said she hoped the equity bourse's total market capitalisation would exceed 100 per cent of gross domestic product within five years
- - The Nation 2009/10/17
C'est un cas classique de manipulation boursière, en France ou aux US il y aurait déjà une enquête ...
🙂
1.Les chuchottements sont contredits officiellement ...
King's Health : No cause for concern
2.La Bourse récupère (en partie pour l'instant) ses pertes :
Share prices rebound as foreign investors return By WICHIT CHAITRONG THE NATION Published on October 17, 2009
Foreign investors familiar with local politics still have high confidence in Thailand despite politically sensitive rumours that have hit the stock market in recent days.
Share prices yesterday gained more than 3 per cent to close at 717.12 points on turnover of Bt29 billion after losing heavily on Wednesday and Thursday. "Thais can manage their politics because they have experience, " said Liam Ayudhkij, group chairman of the Property Care Services (Thailand), an Irish businessman who has lived in the Kingdom for 46 years.
Ayudhkij told The Nation on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Ireland Business Forum at the Dusit Thani Hotel in Bangkok that he had lived through several dictatorial regimes, including that of Field Marshal Sarit Thanarat (1957-63). Irish-Thai Chamber of Commerce president Jerome Kelly expressed a similar view, saying the present government's stability had been "pretty good" these past 10 months.
Asked how he would describe the Thai situation to foreign friends, Kelly said: "Thailand is just fine." Finance Minister Korn Chatikavanij said the stock market's correction had helped restrain the baht from further appreciation.
Kelly said that was good for exporters. It was a normal investment practice in the equity market for foreign investors to take profits from previous stock-index rises and local-currency appreciation. He also suggested local investors look at the economic fundamentals and urged them not to panic.
Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said the government was investigating the source of the rumours. He warned investors to be cautious when considering information and urged the Stock Exchange of Thailand (SET) and the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to examine whether anyone was creating problems in the stock market. He said the authorities should determine whether spreading rumours was against the law.
Abhisit said that whether the government took legal action would depend on how much trading had been affected by any wrongdoing.
SEC secretary-general Thirachai Phuvanatnaranubala said police had asked him for information on the source of the rumours. He said Wednesday and Thursday's stock transactions had been made by various investors "in a diversifying manner", which was not unusual. Asked whether US news-service provider Bloomberg could have exacerbated the situation by reporting the rumours, Thirachai dismissed such speculation, saying it had published news about the rumours after the stocks had already fallen.
Meanwhile, he said the Capital Market Development Committee yesterday agreed to the SET's demutualisation plan and would soon set up a special committee to oversee the process. A plan will soon be submitted for Cabinet approval. SET president Patareeya Benjapholchai said she hoped the equity bourse's total market capitalisation would exceed 100 per cent of gross domestic product within five years
- - The Nation 2009/10/17C'est un cas classique de manipulation boursière, en France ou aux US il y aurait déjà une enquête ...
🙂
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
Bjr,
...quand la santé du roi décline, on gagne du fric à la bourse...
...quand la santé du roi s'améliore, ... on gagne du fric à la bourse...!
Chacun possède la force créatrice de l'univers. Il crée sa réalité et se doit d'en assumer les conséquences.
Le Bouddha Gautama, vers 500 av J.C.
Vous pensez que la propre fille du Roi ne sait pas ce qu'elle dit lorsqu'elle
annonce "pas de craintes ..." ?
🙂
🙂
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
Vous pensez que la propre fille du Roi ne sait pas ce qu'elle dit lorsqu'elle
annonce "pas de craintes ..." ?
qui na pas de craintes ? je crois simplement que dans ce domaine la discrétion est la meilleur des chose a faire .. et non de dire n'importe quoi .. ou des spéculation dont on ne sait rien ..
expemple ..<<...quand la santé du roi décline, on gagne du fric à la bourse... ...quand la santé du roi s'améliore, ... on gagne du fric à la bourse...!>>
qui na pas de craintes ? je crois simplement que dans ce domaine la discrétion est la meilleur des chose a faire .. et non de dire n'importe quoi .. ou des spéculation dont on ne sait rien ..
expemple ..<<...quand la santé du roi décline, on gagne du fric à la bourse... ...quand la santé du roi s'améliore, ... on gagne du fric à la bourse...!>>
« Le voyage apprend la tolérance. »
Benjamin Disraeli
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Bj,
...A lire certains posts, il semblerait que seuls les Thaïs ont le droit d'éprouver de la compassion pour la santé de leur Roi...Ca doit être vrai pour le Président français, je suppose...seuls les membres de l'UMP auront le droit d'éprouver quelque sentiment...Pauvre humanité!...
La Bourse fait feu de tous bois...le boursicotage se nourrit autant des bonnes et des mauvaises nouvelles; l'essentiel est de se sucrer au passage sur les transactions, à la hausse comme à la baisse...
...A lire certains posts, il semblerait que seuls les Thaïs ont le droit d'éprouver de la compassion pour la santé de leur Roi...Ca doit être vrai pour le Président français, je suppose...seuls les membres de l'UMP auront le droit d'éprouver quelque sentiment...Pauvre humanité!...
La Bourse fait feu de tous bois...le boursicotage se nourrit autant des bonnes et des mauvaises nouvelles; l'essentiel est de se sucrer au passage sur les transactions, à la hausse comme à la baisse...
Chacun possède la force créatrice de l'univers. Il crée sa réalité et se doit d'en assumer les conséquences.
Le Bouddha Gautama, vers 500 av J.C.
un peu comme partout, face à l'adversité étrangère, on sert les coudes et on reste solidaire.
Là, la situation politique nationale et la confrontation entre les 2 camps, pro vs contre Thaksin, rend l'avenir un peu plus préoccupant.
+1
Long live the king
+1
Long live the king
S.D
le boursicotage se nourrit autant des bonnes et des mauvaises nouvelles
Cà c'est ben vrai ...
Mais, lorsque les "nouvelles" sont fausses (et prennent la forme de "rumeurs"), on appelle çà de la manipulation !
🙂
Cà c'est ben vrai ...
Mais, lorsque les "nouvelles" sont fausses (et prennent la forme de "rumeurs"), on appelle çà de la manipulation !
🙂
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
on appelle çà de la manipulation !
Quand l'hôpital se fout de la charité, ca prête a rire 😛
Quand l'hôpital se fout de la charité, ca prête a rire 😛
Khun maa jak nai krap?
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
"être loin d'ailleurs, c'est être ici" (P. Geluk)
la bourse ou la vie😛
Entre la crainte de certains vite alertes par des articles sensationels et la naivete bonhomme d'un Mengwan qui boit la parole officielle comme du petit lait, il vaut mieux fair preuve de l'humilite de Thuan et reconnaitre qu'on ne sait rien. Esperer le meilleur pour le Roi et comprendre que toute communication sur ce sujet, au vu des enjeux et consequences porte une grande part de desinformation.
Longue vie au roi...
En espérant que les thaïs sachent régler sa succession sans heurts... Contrairement a ce qui se passe depuis plus d'un an et qui ne peut être sans lien.
Il parait difficile de parler de despote quand on parle d'un homme qui ne gouverne pas...
Le seul pouvoir du roi est l'influence qu'il a sur ses sujets!
Bien sur, cette influence a été largement orchestrée par les différents pouvoir qui se sont succédés.
Ceci dit, elle n'a ete utilisee que pour mener de grandes action d'interet public (ce qui renforce a chaque fois l'amour pour le roi et permettra a l'action suivante d'être tout aussi suivie). Cette capacite de rassemblement est une véritable benediction pour ce pays... Si nous avions quelqu'un en qui croire autant en France, ca aurait probablement permis au pays de progresser bien mieux. 😉
Quant au gouvernement, si il est élu dans des conditions qui ne satisfont pas toujours a l'idéal démocratique, il n'a rien d'un gouvernement d'opérette pour autant.
Quant au gouvernement, si il est élu dans des conditions qui ne satisfont pas toujours a l'idéal démocratique, il n'a rien d'un gouvernement d'opérette pour autant.
Il parait difficile de parler de despote quand on parle d'un homme qui ne gouverne pas...
+1
Bel euphémisme ...
Pour ma part, les bras (et la mâchoire inférieure) en sont tombés !
Enfin, vaut mieux lire "çà" que d'être aveugle 😛
+1
Bel euphémisme ...
Pour ma part, les bras (et la mâchoire inférieure) en sont tombés !
Enfin, vaut mieux lire "çà" que d'être aveugle 😛
Si vous avez compris tout ce que je viens de vous dire, c'est que j'ai dû faire une erreur quelque part. - Alan Greenspan
Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme - Rabelais
je suis passé un jour a Delphes, dans le very centre du monde, la ou exercait la Pythyie.
J'ai pose une question, et, oh tristesse elle ne m'a pas repondu... Les pierres sont restees muettes, plus un soufle de vie.
Les Dieux meurent aussi !
Je regretterai toujours les Dieux vikings, au moins ils etaient plus fun que nos Dieux actuels.
J'ai pose une question, et, oh tristesse elle ne m'a pas repondu... Les pierres sont restees muettes, plus un soufle de vie.
Les Dieux meurent aussi !
Je regretterai toujours les Dieux vikings, au moins ils etaient plus fun que nos Dieux actuels.
Salut ,
moi je me demande qu'elle sera le statue de la reine ... s'il advenait que son roi meurt...
veuve bien sûr... mais au delà de tout les préceptes qu'elle a enjoint auprès de cette homme ...
et non seulement, mais aussi; avec la participation qu'elle a eu ...
est-ce à dire que tout deviendra innacessible pour elle...(ni plus ou moins...on s'entend!?)
Je crois que cette femme est très grande également...elle a poursuivit tout comme lui le bien être des Thaïes...
Qu'adviendra-t-il de son statut si le roi n'est plus...reine n'est plus?
aucune continuité; donc on tourne la page pour passer à autre chose ou quoi? Et si oui; cela voudra dire que toute la philosophie de ce roi va mourir aussi!?!?
ça n'a pas de sens...
moi je me demande qu'elle sera le statue de la reine ... s'il advenait que son roi meurt...
veuve bien sûr... mais au delà de tout les préceptes qu'elle a enjoint auprès de cette homme ...
et non seulement, mais aussi; avec la participation qu'elle a eu ...
est-ce à dire que tout deviendra innacessible pour elle...(ni plus ou moins...on s'entend!?)
Je crois que cette femme est très grande également...elle a poursuivit tout comme lui le bien être des Thaïes...
Qu'adviendra-t-il de son statut si le roi n'est plus...reine n'est plus?
aucune continuité; donc on tourne la page pour passer à autre chose ou quoi? Et si oui; cela voudra dire que toute la philosophie de ce roi va mourir aussi!?!?
ça n'a pas de sens...
...l'important n'est pas la destination mais l'expérience de ce que le voyage nous apporte...
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After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
That said, I’m not really sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still any walks or sights worth checking out in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hey everyone,
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Silly question—backpack or hard-shell suitcase for the Sepilok, Kinabatangan, Tioman, KL trip? I’m struggling to fit all my son’s and my stuff into the 70L backpack... and I’m thinking a suitcase would be easier, but I’m not sure if it’ll work for getting around.
Thanks! 🙂
Hi there,
I didn’t plan to return to Thailand this year, but my health conditions mean it’ll be the best place for me to stay between two trips to India. The tourism setup there is so well-organized that it’s the most "comfortable" country for a short visit. Thailand feels too sanitized for my taste, and there’s too much religion, Buddha, and the King, but it’s still the best option given how my health has been evolving. I’d considered two weeks in ThaTon for hiking, but I got too sick from the burn-offs during my trips to the mountains around Chiang Rai. So I’m not sure where to go this year. Definitely not the sea, touristy spots, or the mountains with burn-offs...
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Thanks, friends, if you’ve got any suggestions.
Hi everyone,
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
Thanks
After a stay on Koh Phayam this coming November, I’d like to spend 2 or 3 days on Koh Phra Thong before heading further south.
Do you think it’s doable to leave Koh Phayam early enough to catch the 10 AM boat from Khura Buri to Koh Phra Thong? The next one isn’t until 4 PM, which would cost me a whole day.
Thanks
Hi,
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days. I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome! I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Thanks
I’m planning a trip to Indonesia, specifically Sulawesi and Java, in September for 10 days. I don’t know this part of the world at all—any advice is welcome! I’ll be traveling solo and would also love tips on meeting other travelers or locals.
Thanks
Hello everyone,
Not long ago, I used to travel as a couple, but my husband has since passed away, and I’ve decided to set off again. The trip I took to Cambodia in January 2025 did me a world of good.
I’m now considering Thailand, a destination we never included in our plans because even 15 years ago, people said it was too touristy. Still, I’m thinking about the itinerary below, but I don’t feel up to arranging buses, trains, or guides on my own while I’m there. I’m looking for one or more drivers and have been in touch with an agency, but their offers are just copy-paste group tours that I don’t want.
So, if you have any contacts, experiences, or advice, I’d be so grateful if you’d share them with me. Here’s my rough plan:
Arrival in Bangkok
Ayutthaya (2 nights)
Kanchanaburi (2 or 3 nights)
Sangkhlaburi/Sai Yok (3 nights)
Sukhothai (2 nights)
Lampang (I’ve planned 3 nights, but that might be a bit much—it depends on what time I arrive in the city)
Chiang Mai
Chiang Dao
Pai
Chiang Rai
I was thinking about the Mae Hong Son loop—thoughts?
What do you think about staying overnight at the Golden Triangle?
When I look online, of course, I can find agencies that organize tours to national parks, etc.
I’m retired but in great physical shape. I’d rather go hiking than sit in hot springs with crowds of tourists who’ve all arranged meet-ups. I don’t want to spend a day at an elephant camp, and I don’t want to visit Karen villages.
I’d love to hear your advice.
Thank you all,
Hi everyone,
Could you share your thoughts on my 3-week itinerary?
We’re a small group (family + friends) of 12 people, planning to leave around January 21, 2027.
Here’s my itinerary:
3 nights in Bangkok
4 nights in Chiang Mai
3 nights on Koh Samui
3 nights on Koh Phangan
4 nights in Krabi
4 nights in Phuket
I’m also open to any great tips you might have...
Thanks, everyone! Alain.
Hi,
From Malacca to get to Jerantut, is it better to go back to KL and take a bus from there, or take a bus to Tampin and then a train? Any feedback on the "Jungle Train"? (duration, price, comfort, etc.). Thanks
Hi there,
We’re planning a 3-week family trip next summer with our three kids, who’ll be 8, 8, and 7 years old.
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
After some research, we’re leaning toward Malaysia to combine nature/forests and paradise beaches. The idea is to introduce our kids to the country’s culture, nature, and wildlife.
We want a great trip but without splurging on luxury options like high-end lodges and resorts. We’re looking for comfort with a touch of authenticity—basically, a good middle ground.
I’ve started putting together an itinerary and would love your expert advice and tips to help us build this amazing trip with our little ones.
Day 1: Departure from France
Day 2: Kuala Lumpur Stay at a hotel near the airport or KL Sentral. Just one night.
Day 3: Morning flight to Sandakan (Borneo). Stay in Sepilok
Day 4: Sepilok: * Orangutan Center * Malayan Sun Bear Center * Rainforest Discovery Centre
Day 5: Depart for Kinabatangan. Boat safari in the late afternoon.
Day 6: Sunrise safari. Jungle walk. Evening safari.
Day 7: Final safari. Return to Sandakan.
Flight to Kuala Lumpur, then to Kota Bharu (or overnight transit depending on schedules).
Day 8: Transfer to the port. Boat to the Perhentian Islands.
Days 9 to 13: Perhentian Besar 5 full days. * Snorkeling * Hiking * Turtle watching * Wild beaches * Relaxation
Day 14: Return to the mainland. Bus or private car to Taman Negara.
Days 15 and 16: Taman Negara.
Day 17: Return to Kuala Lumpur.
Day 18: Visit the Petronas Towers or Batu Caves
Day 19: Free day.
Day 20: Return flight.
Thanks in advance, everyone!
Baptiste
Hi everyone,
We’re heading to Flores and then Bali at the end of September.
We’ve already visited both but this time, once we’re in Labuan Bajo, we’d like to take a boat to the Komodo Islands to see the famous Komodo dragons.
I don’t want to sleep on the boat—just a day trip would be perfect.
Does anyone know a reliable and friendly provider to recommend?
Thanks in advance, and have a great summer!
Time to hit the road again!
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Summer seems to be the best time weather-wise for Bali. And since summer’s when we can take a long trip, let’s go for Bali... even though we know it’ll be *packed* with people! So we’ll steer clear of the island’s south...
Our current plan (19 days on the ground, 7 stops): - 4 Nights (3 days) in Ubud 2 days for rice terraces / activities (Tegallalang, Campuhan Ridge, Monkey Forest, Bird Park, coffee plantation, market (?), dance "pestacle," cooking class and/or spa) 1 day with a driver for the Temples (Pura Gunung Kawi, Tirta Empul Spring, Pura Mengening, Goa Gajah...) - 2 nights in Sidemen (1 day for Pura Kehen + Batur Caldera + Pura Besakih and 1 day to relax in the rice terraces) - 3 nights on Gili Meno (Rest and beaches) from Padangbai - 2 nights in Amed (1 day from Padangbai with the Abang rice terrace and Tirta Gangga baths, and the next day a boat tour in Amed) - 4 nights in Pemuteran (1 day for transfer and rest, 1 day to visit Kawah Ijen, and 2 days of snorkeling at Menjangan Island) - 2 nights in Munduk (1 day with the Dayang rice terrace and the 3-waterfall hike, 1 day at Pura Ulun Danu Bratan) - 2 nights in Jatiluwih (1 day in the rice terraces, and on the last day, we’ll stop by Pura Taman Ayun in Mengwi and Pura Tanah Lot before catching our red-eye flight).
Accommodations in homestays or hotels. Transportation to be arranged on-site with the lodgings (?) Boat to Gili Meno to book in advance (?) Kawah Ijen excursion to plan ahead (?)—check with the homestay (?)
Thanks for your thoughts/comments to help us explore this destination...
Hello,
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
After reading and researching, we're planning the following stops in Cambodia in January 2027: - Phnom Penh - Kampong Cham - Kratie - Siem Reap - Battambang - Kampot (round trip)
I'm wondering about the direction of these stops, which could also influence our international flights. Either a round trip from Phnom Penh in the order above. Or landing in Siem Reap with the following order:
- Battambang (round trip) - Siem Reap / Angkor - Kratie - Kampong Cham - Phnom Penh - Kampot (round trip)
This second option would save us the Battambang - PP - Kampot trip but means doing a round trip to Battambang from Siem Reap and placing the "highlight of the trip" (Angkor) at the beginning of our stay.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Have a great Sunday
Hi there,
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
We’ll be arriving in Phnom Penh this coming January and we’re thinking of starting our trip with a stop in Kampong Cham, then Kratie.
After Kratie, we’re considering heading toward Siem Reap with a stop in Kampong Thom.
However, I’m not quite sure how long the Kratie–Kampong Thom journey might take or how complicated it is.
Does this stop on the way to Siem Reap seem like a good idea to you? If we don’t visit the Sambor Prei Kuk site, are there still some walks and/or things to see in Kampong Thom?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi there,
We’re planning to travel from Chiang Rai to Luang Prabang next November.
We’d like to take a slow boat from Chiang Khong—or rather from Huay Xai in Laos—with an overnight stop in Pakbeng.
Could you let us know if the boat still leaves Huay Xai in the late morning? If so, what time roughly, and what’s the price for the trip?
Thanks for your help!
Alod
Hello everyone,
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
We (3 adults: 68, 65, and 25 years old) are just back from a short trip to the Philippines, and I’d like to share a little summary of our journey. First of all, I’d like to thank everyone who contributes to this forum about this destination and answers the questions of those who aren’t familiar with it. I should also mention that my comments are personal and don’t reflect anyone else’s opinions. Since I don’t have any literary or photographic talent, I’ll stick to the facts and share a few details about the sights, hotels, and restaurants.
Preparations: We chose this destination in December and quickly booked our flight tickets (540 € with Turkish Airlines) for a departure on February 16 and return on March 5, 2019. We then contacted two French-speaking tour operators based in Manila, asking them to put together an itinerary based on our wishes (places to visit, type of accommodation) and our budget. We wanted to see the rice terraces in northern Luzon, the hanging coffins in Sagada, before flying to the Visayas (Bohol, Siquijor, etc.), and the Taal Volcano, while limiting our nights in Manila as much as possible. In the end, we opted for Alize, whose itinerary and quote matched our request almost perfectly. Our exchanges helped us refine our circuit.
International flights: The round-trip flights went smoothly. Turkish Airlines, while not at the level of Asian or Gulf airlines, does the job just fine.
Day 1: We landed on time (6:15 PM) on Monday, February 16, at Terminal 3. We exchanged our euros (near the car rental counters), and I can confirm the exchange rate was very good. On the way to the St. Giles Hotel (decent and affordable for a transit night), we got our first glimpse of Manila’s dense traffic. The Makati district, where our hotel was located, offers a wide choice of restaurants, so we grabbed a quick bite to recover from the trip.
Day 2: This day was dedicated to transferring to Banaue. Fortunately, we had a comfortable van and an excellent driver for this journey, which took all day (8 to 9 hours with stops). We got a taste of driving in the Philippines—and it’s terrifying. You wouldn’t want to drive on these roads. The first thing that struck us was the relatively good condition of the roads and the cleanliness (a change from other Southeast Asian countries). This impression lasted throughout our trip. Around 6 PM, we checked into our room at the Banaue Hotel (large, charm-free, but with a beautiful view of the rice terraces).
Day 3: With the help of a local guide, we took a jeepney to Batad. And then—wow! The rice terraces form an amphitheater overlooking the small village. Under the sun, it’s simply spectacular and breathtaking! Even though we’re familiar with rice terraces (Sapa, Bali, Thailand, etc.), we were dazzled by so much beauty. We spent the day walking along the terrace walls. This place is timeless and fully deserves its UNESCO World Heritage status. However, we returned to the hotel exhausted (due to our ages and lack of exercise). We had dinner with our driver at the Las Vegas restaurant in the center of Banaue. The meal was decent, cheap, and the Filipino owner played the guitar to accompany our dinner.
Day 4: Today, our driver took us to Sagada. The mountain road offered spectacular landscapes (about 1.5 to 2 hours). Along the way, we stopped in Bontoc to visit the small but interesting anthropological museum. It features old photos and various objects from the Ifugao tribes, as well as a reconstruction of primitive dwellings. We then went on a short hike in Sagada with a very friendly local guide who explained the region’s funeral rites. The walk started at the communal cemetery before reaching “Echo Valley,” where we saw the first coffins hanging on the cliff. We continued to the “Underground River” and a small waterfall, ending our journey in the “Lumiang Cave” burial cave. All in all, this day was very interesting. On the way back, we made a few photo stops. In the evening, on our driver’s recommendation, we ate at the “Bistro,” a French enclave in the center of Banaue (good pizza, roasted quail, homemade fries).
Day 5: Today was a transfer day. To limit fatigue and nights in Manila, our tour operator arranged a flight from Clark to Tagbilaran (Bohol), saving us 2 to 3 hours of driving. But to catch our flight, we had to leave very early: 5:30 AM. Our kind driver dropped us off on time at the airport. To use it, we had to pay a 150 PHP tax per person. The Philippine Airlines flight (15 minutes) left early and was far from full. Upon arrival, we were taken to the Loboc River Hotel, on the banks of the river of the same name. A very charming lodge lost in a tropical garden. We stayed in a stilt cottage overlooking the river. We relaxed a bit in the lovely pool. This place is really great—the staff is charming, and the food is excellent for a reasonable price.
Day 6: This day was dedicated to exploring Bohol. The program was classic, starting with the tarsier sanctuary. We saw a few specimens in a small garden, each pointed out by a staff member. It was both good and disappointing because the animals were in pseudo-freedom in a small enclosure. Then we went to the “Chocolate Hills” and climbed 240 steps to admire the panoramic view of the hills—but by 10 AM, it was crowded. On the way back, we stopped at the butterfly garden, which was uninteresting: tiny, with few butterflies. We consoled ourselves by photographing beautiful flowers. To please our teen, we stopped at the Loboc Eco Tourism Adventure Park and crossed the river lying down, suspended from a steel cable (300 PHP). Finally, we had the traditional lunch-cruise on the Loboc River. It was a factory-like experience, and the meal was unremarkable. The only good thing was the singer on each boat and the lush vegetation. Afterward, we visited colonial churches and the cathedral, remnants of the Spanish presence, before returning to the hotel for a well-deserved dip in the pool. Note that for those interested, there’s an arena near the hotel where cockfights are held every Sunday—something Filipinos are passionate (if not obsessed) about.
Day 8: Very early departure for the port. We boarded a *banca* in search of dolphins. After about an hour of sailing, we were lucky enough to spot around a hundred dolphins. Our boat then headed to the small and charming island of Pamilacan. After a walk through the little village, we came across locals traditionally building a boat. They told us it takes about a month to finish their outrigger boat. Then we had to choose our snorkeling spot between the coral garden, the fish park, and the turtle enclosure. Note that a fee is charged for each spot: 150 PHP per place and per person. It felt a bit like we were being ripped off, especially since the spots weren’t amazing—we’d see much better on Apo for much less. We had lunch on the island at one of the many small eateries (350 PHP per person).
Days 9 and 10: On our return, we were taken to the Bohol Sea Resort on Panglao Island, where we stayed for 2 nights. It’s a small, recent establishment in a quiet corner of the island. It’s relaxing—maybe a bit too much. It has a nice pool and access to Danao Beach, but the view is blocked by a flotilla of boats. We didn’t try their diving school. The meals were good. If we had to do it again, we’d skip this stop to spend more time in Negros.
Days 11 and 12: We took a fast ferry (Ocean Jet) from Tagbilaran port to Dumaguete and were taken to the Thalatta Resort, about 20 km away near Zamboanguita. We stayed there for 2 nights. Let’s just say it was our favorite. It’s a small place facing Apo Island. The rooms are simple, and the pool, nestled in a magnificent tropical garden, is fantastic. The staff is friendly, and the meals are very good. The hotel has its own diving center (snorkeling gear provided) and its own boats. We booked the Apo Island excursion: 1,350 PHP per person, including lunch. It was incredible: magnificent corals, colorful fish, and turtles of all sizes. The crew was endlessly kind and didn’t hesitate to dive to guide us to the best spots. In short, a perfect day. This site is ranked among the top 5 diving spots in the Philippines. Since we were lucky enough to be there on a Wednesday morning, we explored the surprising Malapay Market, a 10-minute walk from our hotel. You’ll find numerous stalls selling vegetables, fruits, live or dried fish, and handicrafts. Enclosures are set up for selling livestock (calves, zebu, pigs). There are also restaurants. We were lucky to see two pigs roasted traditionally on a spit. There are few Europeans, and the people are warm. A great moment. We left this beautiful place with regret because we didn’t have time to visit the island or go swimming with whale sharks.
Days 12 to 15: From Dumaguete port, we took a short crossing (1 hour with Ocean Jet) to Siquijor Island to reach the Coco Grove Beach Resort. A beautiful hotel nestled in a spacious tropical garden. Several restaurants and bars, 4 pools. Despite the size of the place, it remains intimate. You can snorkel (corals and fish) right in front of the beautiful beach. We stayed in a very pleasant duplex suite. For those interested, there’s a spa and a diving center. You can also take the Apo Island excursion (offered at 1,950 PHP). We spent our days relaxing between the pool and the beach. In the evening, the sunsets over Negros and Apo were stunning. We booked an island tour with a comfortable tricycle from the hotel (1,500 PHP). The circuit was classic and allowed us to go around the island. We discovered beaches, the famous 400-year-old ficus tree with its enormous roots, and its equally famous foot bath with its cleaning fish. Then we visited the St. Isidore Convent before heading to the Cambugahay waterfalls and their four pools. The setting is idyllic, and the water is surprisingly good—we had a lot of fun swimming. We had dinner at a restaurant overlooking the island, where you can see Apo, Cebu, and Negros. In the end, Siquijor turned out to be a real little tropical paradise. Since the hotel restaurants were expensive, we dined at nearby establishments: Fuego (clean, good—excellent raw fish—and quiet), Chekesch (louder), and the very pleasant Baha Bar, which brews its own beer and offers more refined cuisine.
Days 15 to 16: We left at dawn to return to Dumaguete and its airport by ferry. We had breakfast at the Coco Grande Hotel, an annex of the previous one. The Philippine Airlines flight went smoothly. A driver took us to the town of Taal. We stayed at Paradores Del Castillo, right in the heart of the old town. It’s a charming old house with only 6 rooms. The various rooms are decorated with antiques—a real little museum. The garden is pleasant and opens onto the town. It’s an old early 19th-century house converted into a hotel, beautifully arranged with 6 rooms in the heart of the city. The restaurant in the garden is very pleasant and offers a panoramic view. We visited an old Spanish house before heading to the beautiful Basilica of St. Martin of Tours, one of the most beautiful religious buildings in the Philippines. A mass was in progress, allowing us to gauge the Filipinos’ fervor before we could visit. When we left, it was dark, and we could admire the illuminated building. We ended our evening by exploring the night market with its many fruit and skewer stalls. A nice surprise. In the morning, we were taken to the shores of Taal Lake, an ancient caldera where a second volcano has formed in the middle of the lake, which in turn contains another lake. We boarded a *banca* to reach the island in the middle of the lake. This was followed by an uphill walk, made difficult by the high temperature (36°C) and the dust on the path. The dust was worsened by the many horses carrying (or bringing back) the less courageous. To illustrate the difficulty of the climb, the trail is marked by the Stations of the Cross and its 14 stations. We were panting while our guide trotted far ahead. Our effort was rewarded when we reached the summit and its viewpoints over the inner lake and the surroundings. The wisps of smoke seen here and there confirmed we were on an active volcano. Inside the lake, there are supposedly 45 small volcanoes, one of which emerged during its last eruption in 1911. On the way back, we had lunch by the lake before returning to Manila and the Bayleaf Hotel, whose main merit is its location in the Intramuros district. In the late afternoon, we walked along the walls of the old city. We had dinner on the hotel’s panoramic terrace overlooking the city and the bay.
Day 17: Last day! Our tour operator joined us for a tour of the Intramuros district. He enriched the visit with comments on the history, geopolitics, and economy of the Philippines. We visited the Manila Cathedral, destroyed 7 times in the past (6 earthquakes and the 1945 bombing). It’s beautiful, and its stained glass is magnificent. We couldn’t enter the San Agustin Church, the oldest Catholic building in Manila. We passed by the memorial to the Battle of Manila, which claimed over 100,000 lives. We visited the area around Casa Manila, which was closed on Monday, and had a drink at Barbara’s cabaret, located in a historic house. A very enriching morning. Then we went to the Mall of Asia, the world’s largest shopping mall, to buy some souvenirs (Kultura store) before being taken to the airport. We exchanged our last pesos at the buying rate right after check-in. The return flight went smoothly. We regretted not being able to use the facilities of Istanbul’s new airport, as its opening was delayed by another month.
Finances: In the end, we spent 1,640 € for the international flights, 4,200 € for the stay (hotels, visits, various transports) with the agency (whose professionalism we can only praise), and about 700 € for meals, tips, and souvenirs.
Summary: Luckily, we had beautiful weather throughout our stay, with temperatures between 26 and 35°C. Discovering the Philippines was a wonderful experience. The diversity of the landscapes, the kindness of the Filipinos, the cleanliness, and the truly delicious fruits (especially pineapples and mangoes). We were never harassed, unlike in many touristy countries. On the other hand, the food, though generally cheap, wasn’t exceptional. Since this country is so vast, we might return in the near future.
Though I’m not a specialist on this destination, I’m happy to answer your questions based on my experience.
So, my flight tickets have just been booked for a trip to Cambodia from November 4th to 27th, 2025.
I’ll be traveling solo and want to explore this amazing country while getting a bit off the beaten path.
I’m arriving in Phnom Penh and also departing from Phnom Penh.
My goal is to travel as much as possible by bus and scooter.
What itinerary would you recommend?
What are the must-do things?
I’m open to all tips and info.
Thanks in advance for your help and responses.
We got back enchanted from a 6-week trip to Cambodia!
Our itinerary: Kampot - Kampong Chhnang - Battambang - Siem Reap - Kampong Cham - Sen Monorom (Mondulkiri) - Banlung (Ratanakiri) - Kratie - Kampong Thom - Phnom Penh.
We traveled by bus, minivan, boat (between Battambang and Siem Reap), overnight bus, scooter, tuk-tuk, and rickshaw for shorter distances. We stayed in guesthouses, homestays, and even in the jungle during a trek.
While the Angkor temples are fabulous, it’s the people you should visit Cambodia for—the "Land of Smiles" truly lives up to its nickname! Tourists gather in Angkor but are quite rare elsewhere, even though the country is easy to travel around.
I won’t describe our trip in detail but instead highlight a few favorite moments.
From Kampot, don’t hesitate to head out around 6 AM to see the fishermen return and their wives selling their catch (just 10 minutes away by the coast). Guaranteed picturesque!
In Battambang, known for its food scene, we discovered a cooking class with Smokin’ Pot (authentic Khmer cooking class). They pick you up from your guesthouse to shop for ingredients (we made fish amok and beef lok lak) at their village market, then cook and eat together. A private class—just the two of us! They also send the recipes via WhatsApp as a PDF. +855 12 821 400
In Siem Reap, I can recommend a francophone tuk-tuk driver who was very attentive to our wishes. We visited tourist spots but also more remote villages and local grilled-pork restaurants with him. He’s a wealth of information about local life, and chatting with him was a real pleasure—we left with regret! You can reach him on WhatsApp: Vung Hem, +855 96 614 0146.
We did a 2-day, 1-night trek in Mondulkiri. Don’t expect a super dense jungle—it looks more like a forest similar to ours. But Nara, our Bunong ethnic guide, made the experience adventurous and ultimately very immersive! WhatsApp +855 86 630 489
Bee Bee’s Chalets homestay: If you pass through Banlung in Ratanakiri, we *loved* this family and their budget-friendly bungalows. Playing Uno, enjoying Nita’s cooking (ask for her fish amok—amazing!), it was a true homestay experience! Contact Nita on WhatsApp: +855 88 818 5525.
In Kratie, rent a scooter and follow the Mekong north for 40 km at your own pace. Being so close to the locals was a treat! Same goes for heading south if you have time.
Kampong Thom: Head 25 km out to visit the pre-Angkorian temples of Sambor Prei Kuk. Around a hundred monuments spread across three sites… and hardly anyone there!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!
A few practical tips: Though prices are often listed in dollars, you can always pay in riels (1 USD = 4000 riels), which is what we preferred. PassApp: An app to book tuk-tuks or rickshaws (and most importantly, know the price upfront). Virak Buntham: A bus company connecting several cities, bookable online.
Feel free to ask me questions about places, accommodations, etc.—I’d be happy to answer!






