J'ai pour projet de partie en Namibie en autotour. Je suis en train de d'établir un itinéraire. J'aimerais connaitre vos avis.
Jour 1: Windhoek Londiningi B&B
Jour 2:Waterberg
Waterberg Wilderness
Jour 3:ETOSHA
NWR Namutoni
Jour 4: ETOSHA
NWR Namutoni
Jour 5:ETOSHA
NWR Okaukuejo
Jour 6:TWYFELFONTEIN
Aabadi Camp
Jour 7:BRANDBERG
Brandberg White Lady Lodge
Jour 8:WALVIS BAY
Free Air Guest house
Jour 9:WALVIS BAY
Free Air Guest house
Jour 10:SESRIEM
NWR Sesriem
Jour 11:SESRIEM
NWR Sesriem
Jour 12:TIRAS
Koimasis Guestfarm
Jour 13:AUS
Klein Aus Vista
Jour 14:FISH RIVER CANYON
Canon Roadhouse
Jour 15: FISH RIVER CANYON
Canon Roadhouse
Jour 16: MARIENTAL
Anib Lodge
Jour 17: Windhoek retour :(
Dans le Damaraland, pour l'instant je suis sur Brandberg, mais j'hésite beaucoup avec Palmwag, qui apparemment est plus riche en faune. Faut il que je rajoute un jour? Ou est ce que ça n'en vaut pas la peine?
Merci d'avance pour toutes vos idées et renseignements!
classique mais efficace, vous avez décidé de le faire dans ce sens.. Why not ? perso je prefère l'autre sens
Toutefois je remplacerais le 2eme jour à Fish river sans grand intérêt - à moins que vous ne veuillez faire une rando d'une journée dans le canyon ? - par Keetmanshop et la f^rêt de Kokerboom
free air Guest house à Walvis bay ? inconnue au bataillon
Je n'ai pas dit ça
je dis que le deuxième jour au Fish River est sans grand intérêt... ne pas confondre 😉
à mon avis un seul jour suffit, à moins de vouloir faire une rando et descendre dans la faille auquel cas il faut 2 jours
et le classique c'est bien, ce n'était pas une remarque péjorative 🙂
je suis d'accord avec Vincent "classique mais efficace".
Il faut savoir que le Fish river canyon se décompose en deux parties : Hobas et Ai-Ais.
Au Fish river canyon (partie Hobas), les deux jours sont de trop si on ne fait pas de rando qui est assez complexe a partir de Hobas. Cette partie la est consacré surtout pour les differents points de vue du canyon.
Photos Fish River Canyon - Hobas
Ou alors passer à Ai Ais, la rando de journée est plus facile car on est déjà dans le fond du canyon.
On peut aussi profiter des eaux chaudes thermales dans une immense piscine. La détente après 3-4h de rando !
Photos Fish river canyon - Ai Ais
Brandberg ou Palmwag, c'est difficile de choisir le mieux tout dépend des gouts.
De plus, Les deux sont différents, une montagne ou une réserve.
Je dirai que pour le Brandberg, en une journée, c'est pas top car ca serait mieux d'avoir plusieurs jours pour une grosse rando dans le massif.
Même si à Palmwag, plusieurs jours sont la bienvenue, un seul peut suffire a bien l'apprécier.
Tout dépend de ce que vous aimez. Il faut aussi que ca coincide avec l'itineraire pour ne pas faire de grosse étape dans ce coin la.
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Bonjour à tous,
Je pars dans un peu plus d'un mois, je suis dans les starting-blocks.
J'ai un itinéraire assez proche de celui d'Anne, "classique mais efficace" 😉
Concernant le Fish River Canyon, j'avais finalement opté (sur les conseils des différents participants du forum) à 1 seul jour, car il semble impossible de faire une rando d'un jour dans le Canyon. Le Lonely Planet dit que depuis la mort d'un randonneur il y a quelques années, le NWR a interdit les randos à la journée ... Du coup, seul les points de vue sont à faire, et sont fait assez rapidement.
Vous confirmez ???
Je confirme que les randonnées a partir de Hobas sont classés difficile.
Randonnée de plusieurs jours de Hobas à Ai-Ais (80km en 5-6 jours).
Plan de cette rando
Mais du coté de Ai Ais, qui se trouve dans le fond du canyon, on peut randonner tranquillement de une à plusieurs heures selon vos gouts.
En sachant qu'il faut revenir sur ces pas car il n'y a pas de "boucle possible".
En 2007, nous avions randonné durant quelques heures, on découvre le fond du canyon, les rochers, les étendues d'eau stagnantes. Le décor est assez saisissant, on croise quelques babouins, des oiseaux.
Le lien de nos photos au dessus montre un peu l'ambiance.
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Merci pour vos réponses à tous les 2!
Je pense que je ne ferai qu une journée ds le canyon.
Faire 1 journée brandberg et 1 palmwag, vous pensez que c est faisable? Je pense passer 3 nuits max ds cette région, mais est ce que ca vaut le coup? Et comment les répartir?
oui c'est possible de mettre les 3
les sites de Twyfelfontein se visitent assez rapidement, inutile d'y rester la journée entière
Palmwag est super mais il faut faire une activité de safari avec le lodge
je ferai comme cela
Etosha - Palmwag
Palmag - aabadi ( activité le matin à Palmwag, route jusqu'à Twyfelfontein après midi - Organ pipe au coucher du soleil si le temps)
aabadi - Brandberg : visite des sites de Twyfelfontein, puis route jusqu'au Brandberg
le Brandberg white lady lodge propose la traque à l'éléphant la moins chere de la région ( 300$) mais elle est soumise à la présence ou non des éléphants quand tu y seras
la balade à la white lady prend 2h00 environ
tu peux aussi faire 2 nuits à Palmwag si tu choisis une activité à la journée et faire la route Palmwag- Brandberg en visitant les sites de Twyfelfontein dans la journée
Merci beaucoup!
Depart prevu debut decembre... J espère y voir qd meme bcp d animaux... Après avoir fait le kenya en aout, ca va me faire bizarre si j y vois pas un elephant! ;-)
Keetmanshoop est une ville du sud de la Namibie.
Proche de cette ville se trouve Quivertree Forest et Giant's Playground.
Ce sont des sites intéressant a voir et ca permet de faire une étape lorsque l'on descend ou l'on remonte du nord/sud.
Vous trouverez les infos ici:
Quivertree Forest & Giants Playground
Et quelques photos :
Photos Quivertree forest et giants playground
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Je rajouterai que ce site très joli et atypique se visite toute la journée bien sûr mais qu'il vaut mieux privilégier les fins de journée (coucher de soleil) et début de matinée pour profiter des belles lumières.
Sur le site pas mal de daman des rochers et de suricates
au lodge de quivertree des guépards que l'on peut toucher
Pour le centre des guépards, vous ne le connaissez pas?
Si si, c'est un des plus renommé de Namibie
Très bien, tu peux y aller les yeux fermés
tu trouveras toutes les infos utiles sur leur site web http://www.cheetah.org/?nd=visiting_ccf_namibia
que voudrais tu savoir de plus ?
Tu viens de faire une heureuse avec cette réponse! :-D
Mon voyage de 16 nuits va peut etre se transformer en 3 voir 4 semaines... Du coup pas mal de questions... Dejà j'hesite entre swakop et walvis bay...quel est le mieux? Si je prends 2 nuits a swakop, j ai le temps en repartant de passer par walvis bay?
Walvis bay est plus calme que sa voisine, 1 ou 2 restos fort sympathique et surtout la lagune avec les pélicans et les flamants roses
c'est aussi le point de départ des excursions marines et dans les dunes de sandwich harbour
Swakop c'est plus la ville avec ses boutiques, ses magasins, ses bars et restaurants, musée, aquarium, etc...
donc si tu choisis Swakop et que n'as pas d'activités de prévu à Walvis tu pourras toujours y passer et faire une petite balade d'1h00 ou 2 sur l'esplanade le long de la lagune
Merci!
Sur du 3-4 semaines, on me propose luderitz... Mais je me demande si cette ville vaut le voyage? La remplacer par une nuit a etosha c est pas mieux?
Bon alors en fait, voilà ce que ça donne sur du environ 1 mois. Je cherche à faire baisser le prix... Je sais je pourrais partir moins longtemps, mais q'est ce qui est inutile? Et mon but est de partir longtemps même si je passe du temps ds un endroit à glander (justement... je préfere glander en namibie qu'à Paris ;) )... Mais je veux éviter trop de frais d'essence... D'ailleurs, pr ce type de voyage, je dois à peu près compter combien en frais d'essence? Je pense déjà remplacer Swako par Walvis bay... Après si vous avez d'autres idées....
1
WINDHOEK
Londiningi B&B
2
WATERBERG
Waterberg Wilderness
3
ETOSHA
NWR Namutoni
4
ETOSHA
NWR Halali
ETOSHA
NWR Okaukuejo
6
KAMANJAB
Hobatere Lodge
7-8
EPUPA FALLS
Epupa Camp
9
OPUWO
Opuwo Country Lodge
10
KAOKOLAND
Ongongo Community Camp*
11-12
PALMWAG
Palmwag Lodge
13
TWYFELFONTEIN
Aabadi Camp
14-15
BRANDBERG
Brandberg White Lady Lodge
16-17
SWAKOPMUND
Fischreiher guesthouse
18
NAUKLUFT
Gecko Camp
19-20
SESRIEM
Sossus Oasis
21-22
TIRAS
Koimasis Guestfarm
23
LUDERITZ
Island Cottage
24
AUS
Klein Aus Vista
25
FISH RIVER CANYON
NWR Ais Ais
26-27
FISH RIVER CANYON
Canon Roadhouse
28
KEETMANSHOP
Quiver tree forest rest camp
29
MARIENTAL
Bagatelle Kalahari
30
WINDHOEK
River Crossing Lodge
31: retour
D'ailleurs, pr ce type de voyage, je dois à peu près compter combien en frais d'essence?
À la (grosse) louche, 6000 km - 15L/100 km --> 900 L. Prix actuel, environ 80 N$/L --> 56000 N$ = 560 €
Tu peux avoir un véhicule qui consomme un peu moins, faire quelques km de plus… Mais ça sera dans ces eaux-là.
questions :
c'est pour quelle période ?
voir à quelle heure tu arrives et tu repars de WDH, mais si tu peux t'éviter les nuits à WDH c'est aussi bien
jour 9 à supprimer, tu peux facilement faire Epupa Ongongo dans la journée (5h00 de route environ) et pis Opuwo bof bof
par contre tu peux rajouter le Kunene river lodge après Hobatere
2 nuits à gecko camp ?
2 nuits à sesriem ?
Luderitz pourquoi pas, pour Kolmanskop
à ce moment là tu peux aussi faire 2 nuits à aus, l'endroit est magique , et faire l'aller retour dans la journée à Luderitz
Bonjour,
Envoie un petit message en MP à " goudite" (Frédérique): elle a "fait" fish river canyon en septembre 2010.
Elle se fera un plaisir de replonger dans son voyage et de te répondre !😉
J'ai prévu de partir en decembre.
Je pense que je vais prendre air namibia, dc arrivée tot le matin, repartir le soir.
Tu as qq chose contre sesriem et le gecko camp? :-)
C est quoi le kunene river lodge?
Vous campez ou vous faites du lodge, ou les 2 ? En Namibie, même les campings ne sont pas donnés, çà faire faire un budget assez important, ce tour.
Le carburant vient encore d’augmenter. Il est maintenant à environ 90 c d’euro par litre, mais décembre est encore loin…
Pour ce tour là, vous n’auriez même pas besoin de 4X4 si ce n’était pour Ongongo community camp, où les dernieres centaines de mètres sont en général en mauvais état, et au canyon, il faut aussi un véhicule assez haut pour certaines pistes qui longent le canyon au sud du point de vue principal. Là, c’est plutôt dommage de ne pas y aller.. Avec un véhicule classique, la consom tomberait sans doute à 10 – 11 litres.
Que ferez vous dans la journée entre Ongongo et Palmwag ? Il y a 90 km… cela laisse éventuellement l’après-midi pour une activité à Palmwag.
En décembre il commence à faire assez chaud. Notament à Brandberg et Sesriem.
Attention à l’étape Okaukuejo – Hobatere. En tant que particulier il ne sera pas possible de passer par la partie ouest du parc. Il faut un permis spécial. Il faut passer par Outjo et Kamanjab.
Palmwag est nettement plus cher que Brandberg White Lady. Pour les activités, il faut prendre un permis pour aller sur la concession (obligatoire, sinon c’est sur la route principale) ou alors partir avec les véhicules du lodge, assez (très) cher.
Les éléphants du désert ne sont jamais garantis. Le mieux c’est de demander discrètement les guides des endroits où on séjourne. Si vous demandez le gérant, il n’a pas trop intêret à vous aider, il y perd des sous.
Ai-ais, je trouve l’intêret assez moyen. Oui, bon, une vallée rocheuse avec c’est vrai de l’eau çà et là, bref. Les thermes d’eau chaude, c’est vrai. Le personnel n’est pas très motivé et se trompe parfois avec votre monnaie… en leur faveur. Beaucoup de km pour la journée.
La route entre Hobas et Ai-ais est belle.
Vous passez 2 nuits à Koimasis ? C’est bien pour les ballades à pied dans la nature, avant que le proprio ne vous effraie avec ses histoires de léopards.
Au cheetah conservation fund, pas question de toucher un guépard, pire, on n’en voit pas, car sauf exception rare, les animaux qui sont là sont sauvages, et on veut absolument éviter tout contact entre eux et les humains. Donc on vous présente (moyennant paiement) des panneaux explicatifs – plutôt bien faits – et c'est tout.
Je me permets de rebondir sur le parcours de Anne, car je pars moi-même en Namibie pour 16 jours et même si certaines de mes étapes sont similaires, je fais quelques variantes, pour me permettre notamment de randonner à la journée.
Le parcours envisagé est le suivant (août 2011) :
J1 : arrivée à Windhoek, départ pour monter à pied au Brukkaros Crater, puis route vers Keetmanshop pour y dormir
J2 : visite de Keetmanshop et des environs, puis cap vers Fish River Canyon (Aï Ais)
J3 : rando à Fish River Canyon depuis Aï Ais
J4 : Départ de Fish River Canyon pour Aus
J5 : Départ de Aus pour Sesriem (rando à dune Elim)
J6 : Sesriem (rando dune 45, Sossusvlei, Dead Vlei)
J7 : Départ de Sesriem pour Naukluft (rando à Waterkloof) et nuit à Walvis Bay
J8 : Walvis Bay : journée à Sanwich Harbour (au programme : bateau et 4x4 dans les dunes... merci Vinny pour ces bons conseils!)
J9 : Walvis Bay vers Twyfelfontein, puis nuit à Palmway
J10 : Palmway vers Opuwo
J11 : rencontres des Himbas et balade aux chutes d'Epupa
J12 : rencontres des Himbas et balade aux chutes d'Epupa puis nuit à Etosha (Namutoni)
J13 : Etosha (Namutoni)
J14 : Etosha (Okaukuejo)
J15 : départ d'Etosha pour Waterberg
16 : départ de Waterberg pour aéroport de Windhoek
Alors, qu'en pensez-vous ?
Je ne me suis pas encore tellement souciée des hébergements et du coup, pour gagner du temps, j'envisageais de passer par un organisateur type Madiza, Tourmaline... Savez-vous si le surcout occasionné est vraiment conséquent par rapport à une organisation par moi-même.
Itinéraire sympa comme Anne.
Par contre le jour 1 est tendu (dépend de l'arrivée à Windhoek) :
De windhoek, aller au Brukkaros mountain, le gravir jusqu'au sommet et ensuite aller a Keetmanshoop.
Le point positif est que vous allez bien dormir ! (le vol + conduite + randonnée)
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Salut Alice,
tu devrais ouvrir ton propre topic et soumettre ton itinéraire car il y a pas mal de choses à dire
Difficile de faire le grand tour de Namibie en 2 semaines, il en faut 3
D'ailleurs certaines étapes sont tout simplement irréalisables, jour 7 notamment, ou alors en faisant l'olive trail mais pas le waterkloof
jour 9 aussi, faisable mais difficile
et la pire jour 12, impossible
Bonjour Laure,
Ton parcours est bien équilibré, me semble-t-il !
"Je ne me suis pas encore tellement souciée des hébergements et du coup, pour gagner du temps, j'envisageais de passer par un organisateur type Madiza, Tourmaline...
Savez-vous si le surcout occasionné est vraiment conséquent par rapport à une organisation par moi-même. "
Je pense que pour un voyage en août il serait probablement plus judicieux de passer par une agence type Madiza, Tourmaline ou Belafrica (un forumiste (dont je ne me souviens plus du nom) qui est passé par cette dernière en avait été fort content) d'autant plus que plusieurs sur ce forum attestent que cela ne revient pas plus cher qu'en réservant soi-même, en plus cela t'évite les multiples procédures de paiements. 😕
Chercher par toi-même va te prendre du temps !
Bonne prépa ! 😉
Au cheetah conservation fund, pas question de toucher un guépard, pire, on n’en voit pas, car sauf exception rare, les animaux qui sont là sont sauvages, et on veut absolument éviter tout contact entre eux et les humains. Donc on vous présente (moyennant paiement) des panneaux explicatifs – plutôt bien faits – et c'est tout.
Bonjour Phalbert,
il existe plusieurs sortes d'activités au CCF
Tu n'as pas du faire la bonne... surtout si tu n'as pas vu de guépards 😮 😛
Merci pr ta réponse!
Qd j'ai vu la video, j etais bien etonnée de la reponse de phalbert...
Du coup, tu peux peut etre me conseiller sur les activités à choisir? :-P
J'ai hésité à écrire sur le cheetah conservation fund vu que ma dernière visite remonte à plusieurs années. N'ayant rien entendu sur le fund depuis lors, j'ai pensé à tort semble-t-il, que les choses se passaient toujours encore comme celà. Je vais me renseigner plus précisément.
Tout dépend ce que vous souhaitez faire au Brukkaros.
Le mieux est d'aller au brukkaros le matin, manger un petit gueuleton sur place et revenir vers 15-16h au Quivertree forest pour voir les arbres kokerboom au coucher de soleil.
Si vous souhaitez grimper jusqu'au sommet, il faut un peu de temps mais c'est magnifique !!
Avec un 4x4 on peu monter au tiers ensuite un chemin permet d'aller jusqu'en haut. (vue panoramique + vue sur l'immense cratère)
Question timing : il faudrait etre a 9-10h au Brukkaros pour ne pas etre trop tard au Quivertree forest. Il faut compter 1h30 de route de Keetmanshoop.
Infos Brukkaros
Attention : Il n'y a pas d'eau et d'électricité. il faut prévoir de l'eau. Il y a des toilettes sèches.
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C'est parfait! Qd on voit tes photos, on ne peut que avoir envie de monter au sommet!
Nous serons dc à 9h sur place, et on ferat la foret de kokerboom en fin de journée! On doit bien dormir après une journée comme ca!
c'est pourtant simple
Brukkaros est au nord de keetmanshop, donc comme tu viendras du sud la logique est :
Fish river canyon - Keetmanshop ( forêt kokkerboom)
Keetmanshop - Mariental en passant par brukkaros
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Mon mari et moi partons en Namibie du samedi 21 novembre au lundi 7 décembre soit 15 nuits sur place. Nous avons déjà les billets d'avion et il reste le plus…
Nous avons déjà effectué en mars 2019 tout organisé par nous même un premier voyage en Namibie de Winhoek et partie sud jusqu'à la frontière SAF et remontée…
March or May 2027.
Around 15 days in the Western Cape,
then 15 days in the southern KNP.
Arrival either in PE or George.
The pros know I’m somewhat familiar with the area... that I don’t camp... that my accommodations can be simple and remote, self-catering but with basic comforts... that I’m looking for spots that are a bit off the beaten path... in a relaxed mode...
From George:
Late arrival... need some rest... Herolds Bay from George to the N1.
Tsitsikamma is catching my eye (Storms River)... with or without a stop in Knysna.
Question:
What’s the current condition of the pass from Knysna to Uniondale? R339.
And while I’m at it, the condition of the R340.
Tsitsikamma, Knysna, and my questions still apply if arriving in PE.
Is the Swartberg still closed?
Any recommendations for accommodation in Prince Albert?
If I cross the escarpment, I’ll continue via Anysberg NR, Touwsrivier... any thoughts?
From there... Tankwa Karoo or Mount Cedar (or both).
Then heading back down to the coast... the highlands of Hermanus or Kogelberg NR (any opinions on the latter?).
Or,
A more classic route along the coast...
If I arrive (fairly late) in PE... any ideas for accommodation in that little area?
Given that Nyathi Camp is winking at me...
(For context... a while back, I stayed at Riverbend (same Addo sector, private concession)... and I visited the ruins of that abandoned lodge at the time, which has clearly been renovated since... located in a very quiet part of Addo...).
Any feedback from the pros?
Well, that’s about it...
I’m open to any other tips or advice!
I’m reaching out with a question about which park to choose for a 3-day safari in Kenya.
After 20 days in Uganda, I’m meeting up with my dad for a 3-day safari (that works for him). We’ll be meeting in Nairobi and have a full day to travel to a park (preferably the farthest from Nairobi to avoid crowds?) and spend 4 nights there before heading back to the capital for our flight to France.
I’d love to hear your recommendations since I’ve read so many great tips on this forum.
Hi there,
I’m considering camping in Nyungwe Park with my family (2 adults, 2 kids) at Uwinka campsite. Problem: the park rents the tent but without any gear (mattresses, blankets). We don’t have a car. Is it possible to rent or buy mattresses and blankets near the park, please?
Thanks for your help
Hi, I'm looking for information on the road conditions in Moremi. We're leaving in 15 days, and from what I've heard, the roads are pretty tough to drive on. Any advice?
Thanks
I’m planning a potential trip to Namibia for a classic circuit in April 2027.
I’m surprised by how expensive the accommodations inside the parks are—really steep! Is it possible to stay outside the parks but still close enough to enjoy the game drives?
Do you have any recommendations for more reasonably priced lodging? I’m okay with spending 200 to 250 € per night.
No camping—the friend I’m traveling with absolutely refuses 😉, but maybe upgraded tents would work.
Hello,
We’re planning a route from Maun to Kazane and Victoria Falls for May 2027 in a Toyota Hilux 4x4, staying in lodges (no camping). Here’s the rough outline:
- Maun: Arrival likely from Johannesburg, 2 nights
- Khwai: 2 nights
- Return to Maun
- Need to decide on a stop between Maun and Sepopa?
- Sepopa: 2 nights
- Cross into Namibia: Bagani, 2 nights
- Kongola: 2 nights
- Katima Mulilo: 2 nights
- Kasane: 3 or 4 nights
- Victoria Falls: 1 or 2 nights
- Return to France from Kasane or Victoria Falls
What’s the road condition like between Maun and Khwai? The stop names are approximate based on accommodations.
Thanks for any feedback on this plan!
Ailleurs 64
At the end of July, we’re heading to Namibia with a group of five for a three-week road trip and visit to the national parks.
We’ve read conflicting info about buying entry tickets—either online (where?) or at the gate when we arrive?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the agencies you used to plan your trip to Uganda.
There’s the whole issue of gorilla permits, which need to be booked in advance and involve a significant financial commitment. That’s where I’m at with my trip planning. Between checking lutb.go.ug/ and reading online reviews, it’s hard to move forward with confidence.
I contacted the French Embassy, but they don’t provide any recommendations. I almost booked with an agency that had a really bad review from February specifically about the permit process.
How did you go about choosing your agency? Given the large sum involved, I’m this close to booking through a travel agency in France for this part.
From what I understand, no matter which agency books the permit, you’re ultimately guided by professionals trained for gorilla trekking based on the permit itself? I’m assuming that’s how it works.
Thanks for your feedback, and I’m really happy to see the forum’s new energy—it’s been super helpful to me in the past.
We’re heading to Uganda next summer for three weeks with our two kids, who’ll be 7 and 9 years old.
We’ve been to Southern Africa before but not East Africa, and after a trip to South Africa two years ago, the kids wanted to return to Africa, while we wanted to explore a new region while staying independent... Uganda’s been catching our eye for a while, and with Rwandair offering relatively attractive prices, we’re going for it!
We’ll be traveling in a 4x4 (self-drive) with roof tents. I don’t have any 4x4 driving experience, so it’ll be a first for me, but we’ll manage 😉 No great apes for us—kids need to be 15, and we don’t want to do that experience without them.
I don’t usually ask the forum much for trip planning, but this time, I’d love your thoughts and advice!
First question: Karamoja or not? At first glance, if we want to add it to a "classic" loop in the southwest, it doesn’t seem realistic—too packed, too much driving. We could consider doing the full loop via Kidepo and then heading down to Murchison, but I’m worried the trip might feel less varied and less kid-friendly. That said, the region looks stunning, and I’m struggling to accept not going at all... What do you think?
If we skip Karamoja, we’d do a loop: Murchison/Fort Portal/QENP/Bunyonyi/Mburo, which seems pretty comprehensive and would let us take our time, which is nice. A few random questions:
- How much time should we plan for the Fort Portal area? I was thinking at least 3 days to visit Bigodi Swamp, walk around the craters, and maybe do a community walk (any thoughts on that?).
- Between Murchison Falls and the Fort Portal area, is it worth breaking up the drive? I spotted Lake Albert Safari Lodge on the shores of Lake Albert—it’s not too expensive and looks nice.
- I’d love to do some easy walks/hikes at the foot of the Rwenzori Mountains, ideally without a guide, but it doesn’t seem straightforward. Do you know if it’s possible to do nice walks independently? I’ve read about hikes in the hills near Kilembe but nothing very specific. Maybe staying somewhere at the foot of the mountains, like Ruboni Community Camp, would allow that.
- Lake Mutanda looks really cool, and so does Lake Bunyonyi... Ideally, I’d like to see both, but won’t that feel repetitive? Is Lake Mutanda worth the detour?
Last practical question, since we don’t have experience with this: for the car with kids, would you recommend two tents (a bit more space) or a four-person tent?
I’ll stop here—already a lot of questions...
Thanks in advance for your feedback, and looking forward to exchanging ideas!
Gabriel
We’re planning our second trip to South Africa in July 2026. In 2023, we did a loop from Joburg, Golden Gate, Drakensberg, Hluhluwe, St Lucia, Eswatini, Kruger, Blyde River Canyon, and back to Joburg.
This time, we’d like to go to Cape Town and do a road trip to Port Elizabeth, then fly back to Joburg to return to Kruger. At this stage of my planning, here’s what it could look like:
D1 to D4: Cape Town and Cape of Good Hope (Table Mountain, Lion’s Head, Waterfront, Bo-Kaap, Boulders, Cape Point, Chapman’s Peak Drive). I’ve spotted a few places to stay between Camps Bay and Hout Bay (3 nights).
D5 and D6: Either Karoo NP or Hermanus and De Hoop. Any opinions to tip the scales? I’ll admit I’m already leaning toward Karoo (the "wild" vibe of the landscapes and wildlife encounters appeal to me much more than the seaside, which feels less exotic). If we go for Karoo, where should we stay? Inside the park or in Beaufort West? I’ve seen good reviews for Ko-ka Tsara Bush Camp, but maybe it’s better to stay in the Sanparks cottages to make the most of the park? (2 nights)
Option B is to do Stellenbosch (though vineyards aren’t great in winter) and/or the Whale Route—Betty’s Bay, Hermanus, De Hoop (2 nights near Gansbaai).
D7 and D8: Klein Karoo, Oudtshoorn. Staying at De Cango Guest Farm (2 nights).
D9 and D10: Knysna, Robberg Nature Reserve, Tsitsikamma (2 nights in Plettenberg Bay and 1 night in PE).
D11: Flight from Port Elizabeth to Joburg at 7 AM and drive to Marloth Park.
For Kruger, I’ve booked 2 nights in Marloth Park, 1 night in Skukuza, 2 nights in Satara, and 1 night in Talamati, which we loved. I’ll book the last night in Graskop later since we want to revisit the Blyde Canyon area.
I’d love all the feedback you can give on my itinerary, especially for days 5 and 6.
If you have recommendations for accommodations for 4 people, I’d appreciate those too.
Thanks! 🙂
We’re a family of four (two daughters aged 18 and 21) and we’re planning a three-week trip to Tanzania. Zanzibar would be our main base, but we’d also like to do a safari on the mainland.
Could you share any tips on:
- the ideal length for such a safari, the best place to go during this period (and easily accessible by flight from Zanzibar)
- your recommendations for the most suitable type of stay for a family like ours
- reliable local agencies with reasonable prices that could help us with this plan
Hi everyone, I’m here to get some advice on visiting KRUGER Park.
From what I’ve gathered through my reading, I understand there are two ways to visit the park:
- Independently with your own vehicle
=> Do you drive all day?
- By booking with a professional
=> Safari early in the morning and late in the afternoon. But what do you do in between?
When it comes to accommodations, the options are:
- Booking in one of the park’s camps, where the lodging is basic but functional
- Booking in a private reserve, which is more comfortable but prohibitively expensive
- Booking outside the park, which means entering the park every morning. But if you want to stay for 3 days, that doesn’t seem practical to me.
Do you have any advice for accommodations?
To be honest, I’m really struggling to understand how it all works...
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Bidule 27
Hey everyone!
Heading to Namibia in a few days and I just read that the entry fees for all parks in Namibia have skyrocketed. Increases between 86 and 100%, and this has been in effect since April 1st (no joke). Have any of you heard about this, and if so, do you know if it’s actually being enforced?
For example, the fee for Etosha has gone from 150 NAD to 280 NAD per day per person.
Thanks in advance!
I’m really interested in traveling to South Africa in September 2020. My question is whether I should go on an organized tour or plan my own itinerary. Organized trips are pretty expensive $$$$, but the security aspect reassures me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on safety in South Africa and whether it’s easy to arrange activities like visiting vineyards, Cape Town, and going on a safari on our own. Which is better in terms of cost—booking an organized trip or doing it ourselves? It’s definitely less exciting to follow a group for 10 days. We’re a couple in our 50s who love nature.
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We’re heading out in April 2027 with our 4x4 to explore part of Southern Africa. Right now we’re researching all these beautiful countries and deciding where to ship our vehicle. We’re from Le Havre—has anyone here already shipped from that port to South Africa or East Africa?
As for all these countries, is wild camping allowed, tolerated, easy, or difficult?
We’ve already visited a few, but you can read just about anything online, so getting tips from real independent travelers is way better :)
We’re all ears for any hacks, experiences, or spots you’d recommend.
See you on the road with Doddy
Hi,
I’m starting to plan a great trip for the last three weeks of January 2027 (my first time in South Africa).
After spending a few hours (!) browsing this forum, here’s a rough first draft of my itinerary:
D0 Arrival at JNB
D1, D2 Blyde River Canyon
D3, D4, D5, D6, D7: Kruger
D8, D9, D10: St Lucia and surrounding area
D11, D12, D13, D14: Drakensberg + Lesotho
D15 A very long driving day to the south (hope the AC doesn’t break down!)
D16, D17, D18, D19 southwest coast (so far I’ve noted Oudtshoorn, Robberg Nature Reserve, Wilderness NP, De Hoop Reserve, and a bit of the wine route)
D20, D21 Cape Town (peninsula and a bit of the city) + domestic flight and return flight (departure from JNB at 11 PM)
A few questions before refining this:
- Do you see any major issues with this itinerary?
- We don’t have a choice on dates, and personally, I prefer green landscapes to desert ones anyway, but do you really see far fewer animals in January than in the dry season? Five days in Kruger should give us enough time to spot plenty of different animals despite the tall grass, right? As for the heat, we’re from Réunion, so we’re relatively used to it, even though I know it’s not the same type of heat.
- Can I trust the distances and driving times given by Google Maps?
- Picking up the vehicle in Johannesburg and dropping it off in Cape Town: how much might that cost us? I’m thinking it probably won’t be worse (in terms of time or money, since there are five of us—2 adults + 3 kids) than going back to Joburg after Lesotho, taking a flight to Cape Town, and renting another vehicle... but maybe I’m wrong.
- Finally, wouldn’t it be better to focus on just one of the two regions (either the northeast or Cape Town and the south coast)? If it were up to me, I’d stick to the first part and extend a few stops... but not everyone agrees! And we’re thinking that since it’ll be really hot, a second part of the trip that’s a bit """cooler""" would be welcome.
I imagine many of you have been captivated by the Masai Mara park and/or your safari experience with Tony Crocetta/Melting Pot Safari. Still, I’d like to share my perspective.
First, I’m an avid traveler, especially in love with Africa, which my partner and I have explored a bit (Zambia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zimbabwe, Namibia...).
That said, I want to express my deep disappointment with both the Masai Mara and Tony Crocetta’s camp, Melting Pot Safari, where we stayed last year.
First, about the park: it’s stunning, no doubt. But what a highly touristy place! I can’t find the words to describe the horror of being among 30 4x4 vehicles lined up in front of a lioness hunt, let alone encircling her right after her kill while her prey is still alive in her jaws... no respect for wildlife. The same goes for surrounding a young leopard playing with its small prey, a moment when I counted over 50 vehicles, most with their engines running... sickening. I turned away, both my gaze and my camera. What a disaster to see this natural wonder of Africa turned into a tourist hotspot.
Yes, I loved this place on Earth, but no, I won’t "promote" it anywhere or to anyone.
Next, I also wanted to share my dissatisfaction with Tony Crocetta’s famous camp, Melting Pot Safari: where to begin? We booked a private vehicle for four with two friends, and I have no complaints about the vehicle itself (though it obviously came at a cost). The windows and the vehicle weren’t very photo-friendly, but let’s move on.
The trip between the sisters’ guesthouse (which was fine) and the camp went smoothly, except we arrived a bit too late. Result: "We’ll leave for the safari an hour later today because the driver has to respect his rest hours." Perfect—with park formalities, we only spent about an hour in the park that evening. The safari got off to a great start...
During our 12-day stay, we saw some amazing things. Tony wasn’t at the camp—I don’t know what the atmosphere is like when he’s there, but it was rather cold during our trip. Sylvie, his wife, barely looked at us, never asking how our day, night, or game drive went (I think she spoke to us once during the stay, plus the day we arrived, of course). We felt invisible... (if I were mean, I’d say the money had already been deposited into Melting Pot’s bank account.)
The evening meals, if I may say so, were a joke: not enough dessert (aside from fruit, but the few elaborate desserts—like 10 for 18 guests) for everyone, barely enough meat or sides. If you were unlucky like us and ended up with a group of 15 people who decided to skip the starter, you’d better hurry to get your main course, or there might not be any left—and no refills... We always ate our fill, but sometimes we had to serve ourselves in advance.
Finally, I want to correct something about the quality of the meals: seriously, this buffet was really mediocre and far from the culinary standards I’d read about in my pre-trip research (see their Facebook page).
Anyway, let’s move past the food—after all, the avocados were sublime, and we’re not there primarily to eat.
About the tent: the river views were beautiful, and the beds were very comfortable. No running water, individual showers outside the tent, and dry toilets—but it’s Africa, so we weren’t shocked. However, I’m disappointed that for this "modest" price, I wasn’t warned there’d be no soap (and no, I don’t travel with my own soap—and for the price, a little bar in the tent wouldn’t be a luxury). But let’s move on—the hippo views were fantastic. Oh, and to preserve the Masai Mara’s water (which makes sense) and for hygiene reasons, underwear isn’t washed by the camp staff—fair enough. But then what’s that little sign next to the bed? Oh right, for a hefty sum, underwear suddenly becomes "washable"...
Finally, my biggest gripe is about the essential part: the game drives. In France, they sell you a dream with a "photo safari" (what’s the difference, really? A room with a few more electrical outlets?). They promise guides especially suited for photography (not a given, sorry) and vehicles that can get close to animals and go off-road... but here’s the catch: the guides are bound by park laws and hounded by rangers looking to fine rule-breakers. Result: as soon as a white ranger vehicle is spotted, we have to abandon our spot for a wild chase through the grass. Fun once... The next day, we learned that another group’s guide got caught and had to pay $100 for breaking the rules—a sum he casually asked the travelers in his vehicle to cover... because of course, Melting Pot lures tourists with dreams, the poor rangers try to get close, all while breaking park laws... and they break those laws for Crocetta’s company, which, of course, won’t dip into its profits to pay the fines. Basically, it’s "keep the clients happy, but don’t get fined—or the fines are on you or you’ll have to ask the clients directly." Nice boss! Anyway, there were long discussions about this last year, especially among the guests in the fined vehicle. My partner and I found these practices unacceptable, and we were deeply disappointed by this attitude.
I know many people adore this park and/or this company—maybe you were luckier... or maybe you’re less demanding than we are when it comes to respecting rules, nature, and clients. But after traveling through much of southern Africa, I can tell you we personally came back frustrated from this experience and aren’t eager to return... You’ve been warned.
Here’s my feedback after a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, months of prep exchanges (over eight months!), and phone calls right up to departure day, the guide didn’t honor the commitments we’d agreed on.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com—who we’d organized everything with—didn’t meet us as promised when we arrived in Addis Ababa. Without any warning, he sent a different guide to accompany us for the entire trip (with a flimsy excuse).
Several parts of the signed quote weren’t respected:
– Services included in the quote but not provided on-site (meals, water),
– Hotels we’d chosen, booked, and paid for were swapped for lower-category places,
– Visits were canceled because the timing wasn’t calculated properly,
– One stop on the itinerary was dropped without any reason or explanation.
We’d paid a deposit for domestic flights, with a promise to refund any overpayment. A month after returning, 150 € per person (there were three of us) still hasn’t been refunded.
I’m sharing this to warn fellow travelers about the importance of solid guarantees to ensure contracts are actually honored. Double-check everything before committing!
Wishing everyone safe and smooth travel prep—Ethiopia is an incredible country!
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Hello,
Feedback following a recent trip to Ethiopia, organized with a local guide.
Despite a signed quote, numerous preparatory exchanges over eight months, and phone calls right up until the day of departure, the guide did not fulfill his commitments.
Haile Haftu FANUAILE, manager of the agency www.charmethiopiantours.com with whom we had organized everything, did not meet us as agreed upon our arrival in Addis Ababa; without warning us, he sent another guide in his place to accompany us throughout the trip (with a bogus excuse).
Several points in the signed quote were not honored:
– services included in the quote but not provided on site (meals, water),
– hotels chosen, booked, and paid for, replaced by lower-category establishments,
– visits canceled due to lack of time, which had not been calculated correctly,
– one stop on the itinerary canceled without reason or explanation.
A deposit had been paid for the booking of domestic flights, with a commitment to refund the overpayment.
To date, one month after our return, 150 € per person (there were three of us) has still not been refunded.
This testimony is intended to alert travelers to the importance of solid guarantees for contracts that are actually honored, so that everyone can be extra vigilant before committing.
Good luck with your travel preparations, everyone.
Ethiopia is an extraordinary country!
Hello,
With so many agencies out there, we're feeling a bit lost. Could you please share your experience—like recommending your agency if you were happy with them—and tell us why, and if possible, what budget we should expect? Feel free to send it in a private message :)
We’re just the two of us, and ideally, we’d like to go in a 4x4 alone or with another couple, or in a very small group.
Hi there,
I’ve reached out to a few agencies for a week-long family safari next summer before heading to Zanzibar.
So far, the itinerary looks like this:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 3: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 4: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 5: Drive to Serengeti and safari in Seronera
Day 6: Serengeti and overnight near Lobo
Day 7: Serengeti and overnight in Seronera
Day 8: Flight from Seronera to Zanzibar
On paper, it covers "everything," but maybe there’s a bit too much time lost on the road... Any alternatives?
To simplify (and cut costs), I was thinking:
Day 1: Late arrival at JRO and overnight in Arusha
Day 2: Arusha National Park with a walking safari and meeting the Maasai (?)
Day 3: Drive to Tarangire, park visit, and overnight in Tarangire
Day 4: Full day in Tarangire
Day 5: Tarangire, drive to and overnight in Karatu
Day 6: Ngorongoro and overnight in Ngorongoro
Day 7: Morning in Manyara or Natron and drive to JRO
Day 8: Flight to Zanzibar
Your thoughts and recommendations are welcome...
Thanks
We have the opportunity to spend about ten days somewhere for Christmas, and I’m really tempted by Zanzibar. I’ve been dreaming for a long time about the Spice Island, Stone Town, diving...
Which hotels could you recommend? Not a big "resort"—we’re more into "boutique hotels" or even an Airbnb house. Somewhere quiet (we’re not party animals).
I’m thinking of staying the first few nights in Stone Town and then moving to a beach, preferably one where we can swim regardless of the tides, without ending up in seaweed and mud at low tide.
I’m a bit lost with all the beaches because apparently, the north is very crowded, the south is very windy, and the east has some good and some not-so-good spots, with big tides or not... HELP! 🤪
I’d like to limit myself to a maximum of 2 different places to stay over the 10 days.
I’m reaching out because I don’t understand how Volcanoes National Park works.
I looked at booking for the gorillas, but there’s just the price listed, and the same goes for the Diane Fossey tomb.
So I contacted a hotel in Kinigi, and they told me that for the gorillas, you need a car to get to the park headquarters, and then once you know your group, you need to get from the headquarters to the trekking start point?? Do you confirm this? Is that really how it works? They say the hotel has a driver and it would cost 100 DOLLARS!!
I just found out that on top of the permit, there are other fees??? Uhh…
Are there other options, knowing I don’t want to rent a 4x4 since I’m traveling alone?
And if I don’t get the gorilla permit but just want to visit the Diane Fossey tomb, is it the same issue? From Kinigi, do you need a 4x4? How far is the tomb from the headquarters? Is it a hike you can do alone OR DO YOU NEED A GUIDE, ON FOOT? By car??
If someone could explain everything to me… and is the DF Foundation different??
If I decide to go through an agency, is it possible in Musanze (which would save me trips) or is it mandatory to go through Kigali?
Thanks so much for your help…
Best regards
I’m in the middle of planning a road trip in Southern Africa, and I’m specifically working on the itinerary—especially the distances.
I’ve got the time, but I’m struggling with the transfer days (so much driving just to end up spending the whole day on the road). That’s why I’m trying to analyze travel times, even if it means adding extra stops.
My highlights in Zimbabwe would be:
- Hwange
- Victoria Falls (and maybe Matusadona)
- Mana Pools
- Harare
- Gonarezhou
- Great Zimbabwe
But the distances and travel times seem huge (over 4 hours each time), and I don’t see how to make the drives more chill or shorten them—even if it means adding stops (but which ones?) between each leg.
Would anyone be able to estimate the travel time between these highlights and maybe suggest some nice stops to take breaks?
I’ve been to Rwanda twice before, in November 1991 and December 1993, mostly for solidarity work.
I’m looking into going back this November or December for three weeks, but I’m a bit hesitant when I see the tourist offerings—it’s so far from how I like to travel...
I travel solo using public transport and stay in places like guesthouses (GH), or accommodations run by cooperatives, associations, or religious groups. I love villages, markets, hikes, and local crafts.
So far, my searches for these kinds of lodging options haven’t turned up much.
For now, I’m considering visiting (in no particular order):
Butare: Kibeho, Bisesero, Nyanza
Ngenda
Akagera, Kibungo, Lake Muazi
Dian Fossey’s tomb (with the possibility of seeing gorillas)
Kibuye??? Is the political situation stable there? Or Cyangugu?
So here are my first questions:
-Is French still widely spoken?
-Are there lists of the types of accommodations I mentioned above, or places to find that info?
-Is what I’m planning doable using public transport? From the towns, are moto-taxis still available to get to villages, sites, and—most importantly—back?
-Is it possible to go hiking solo?
-Which are the best markets and what days are they held?
I know that’s a lot of questions already, and I really appreciate any relevant answers you can share.
Looking forward to exchanging more!
I’m planning my next trip in September, and after two self-drive trips to Botswana last year, I’d love to explore Kruger. Since I’m used to camping, I’m thinking of renting an equipped van from Kitted Africa (a small Suzuki van—thanks Safari Expert!) to sleep in a tent and occasionally in a hut.
Here’s my provisional itinerary, and I’d love to hear your thoughts if you don’t mind.
I’ve got 13 nights to plan in Kruger. The rental company is based in Nelspruit.
Entering from the south:
14-15-16.09: 3 nights at Crocodile Bridge or Lower Sabie
17-18-19.09: 3 nights at Skukuza
20-21.09: 2 nights at Satara
22-23-24.09: 3 nights at Olifants
25-26.09: 2 nights at Tamboti or Talamati
Exiting the park on 27.09 via Orpen Gate, then heading to Blyde River Canyon for a night in a hotel or elsewhere.
28.09: Return to Nelspruit, drop off the van, and stay in a hotel.
29.09 (midday): Airlink flight to Johannesburg, then an evening return flight to GVA.
What do you think? Too many nights here, not enough there?
I’ll be traveling solo, I love driving, and I enjoy settling in the middle of nature to listen, observe, and take photos (Botswana was perfect for that).
Thanks in advance!
Nicole
Photo: Baines Baobab, Botswana, April 2025
I’d like to return to Africa and stay in a lodge where I can see animals—not necessarily the Big Five—without needing any transport once I arrive at the lodge, and at a price under $250 per day for two people with full board. The week-long stay is planned for late June into early July. I’m looking for suggestions. Thanks in advance!
Hi, I’d like to travel to Ethiopia as a solo 60-year-old woman, backpacking style, between December 2025 and January 2026.
I’m wondering about the current state of the country: unrest, safety concerns, etc.
Government websites advise against going, saying it’s too dangerous.
But I’m skeptical—they tend to be overly cautious.
So I’m looking for reliable information, though I’m not sure where to find it.
Thanks in advance!
Hello,
We’re a group of four seventy-something retirees and we’re planning a 4-week trip to South Africa. We’re seasoned "adventurers" used to multi-week stays (we’ve been to India seven times, Mexico, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Australia, etc.).
For South Africa, we’re thinking of covering most of the trip in a private vehicle and taking flights for inter-state transfers.
We’re interested in meeting people, learning about the country’s evolution, exploring major cities, visiting traditional villages, and seeing wildlife.
Here’s the itinerary we’re considering:
Johannesburg – 2 days (we’ll pass through again later)
Pretoria – 2 days
Blyde River Canyon and Graskop – 1 day
Acornhoek – 1 day
Letaba – 2 days
Lobamba – 2 days
Johannesburg – 1 day
Flight to Cape Town
Cape Town – 3 days
Cape of Good Hope – 1 day
Stellenbosch – 1 day
Hermanus – 1 day
Mossel Bay – 2 days
Oudtshoorn
Wilderness – 2 days
Knysna
Port Elizabeth – 2 days
Addo Elephant Park
Flight back to Johannesburg
Johannesburg – 1 day
Return to Paris
Could you share your thoughts on this itinerary? We’ll be renting a vehicle to explore both regions.
We can easily add 4–5 more days to the trip if needed.
We’re looking at traveling either between April and May 2026 or in October/November 2026.
I’ll follow up later to discuss the best safari options and get a rough budget estimate.
Thanks to everyone who takes the time to read this and share their thoughts!