Marché aux poissons Tsukiji ou Toyosu?
by Ramen
This discussion is in French, the community’s main language.
Original post
Bonjour je voulais savoir si le Tsukiji Market ètait toujours à Tsukiji ou alors maintenant à Toyosu ?? Je sais qu'il devait avoir un changement .
Merci
Toyosu n'ouvre que le 7 novembre.
La fermeture et le démantelement de Tsukiji seront apparemment quasi-immédiat.
La fermeture et le démantelement de Tsukiji seront apparemment quasi-immédiat.
C'est pas encore fait!
Je reproduis ci-dessous une synthèse de toute cette longue affaire! (sources: Asahi Shimbun, the Japan Times, Courrier International)
"Le célèbre marché de Tsukiji, situé à Tôkyô, devait déménager à Toyosu en novembre 2016. Déjà sujet à polémique depuis que le gouverneur Shintarô ISHIHARA a confirmé sa relocalisation, contre l’avis des commerçants, ce déménagement semble toujours compromis surtout depuis l'élection de la dernière gouverneure de Tôkyô.
Célèbre marché de poissons, le plus grand dans le monde, le marché de Tsukiji est tant une attraction touristique -avec ses fameuses enchères matinales de thon et plus particulièrement celles du Nouvel An où les prix peuvent battre des records - qu’un marché historique de poissons fondé 400 ans plutôt (mais le lieu tel qu’on le voit de nos jours existe depuis 80 ans, créé après le grand séisme de 1923). Mais ce marché historique est sujet à polémiques alors que son déménagement était prévu dans un nouvel espace de 400 000 m² à Toyosu, plus près de la baie de Tôkyô, pour le 7 novembre 2016, en raison de la vétusté et la dangerosité notamment en cas de tremblement de terre de l���espace actuel. Or peu après son élection comme gouverneure de Tôkyô, Yuriko KOIKE a mis un frein à la décision de ses prédécesseurs, et ce pour des raisons sanitaires et de sécurité. En effet, lorsque Shintarô ISHIHARA, alors gouverneur de la capitale, approuve la construction d'un marché à Toyosu pour déménager celui de Tsukiji en 2007, il s’oppose à l’avis des commerçants (plus tôt ce mois-ci, ils étaient toujours contre avec 70% à déposer leurs signatures pour l’annulation du déménagement), et ce en dépit de la révélation par Tokyo Gas Co. dès 2001, année du début des négociations pour la vente, conclue en 2011, par l’industrie à la ville de Tôkyô, de la contamination des sols et des eaux souterraines de Toyosu par des polluants toxiques. Car Toyosu est un quartier apparu récemment dans l’histoire de la capitale, bâti artificiellement de la main de l’homme après le grand séisme de 1923 ! Sauf que dans les décennies qui ont suivi sa construction, Toyosu a été occupé par des industries et notamment une industrie gazière, Tokyo Gas Co. avant que ces industries ne disparaissent du quartier à la fin des années 1980.
Après ces révélations et le désir de Shintarô ISHIHARA de déplacer malgré tout le marché plutôt que de le reconstruire sur le site historique et de décontaminer le nouveau site, et malgré de nombreux désaccords (déjà !) le déménagement du marché de Tsukiji vers Toyosu est voté en 2012 pour 2014, avant que ce projet ne soit encore repoussé en raison des travaux de décontamination toujours nécessaires pour 2016. Or Yuriko KOIKE est élue gouverneure de Tôkyô fin juillet 2016 et l’une de ses premières actions, le 31 août, est de stopper temporairement le déplacement du marché, prévu alors pour novembre) après avoir découvert que les terres et eaux souterraines étaient toujours fortement polluées alors qu’elles étaient supposées être décontaminées (une révélation émanant du gouvernement métropolitain de Tôkyô en début de ce mois fait état de la présence en 2013 d’un niveau d’arsenic très élevé dans le sol). Les dernières révélations font état d’autres problèmes qui nuisent au transfert du marché, notamment des points à éclaircir liés à la vente par Tokyo Gas Co. à la métropole de Tôkyô. Des documents concernant les négociations pour les conditions de la vente du terrain en 2001 ont été rendus publics en début de mois et ces derniers révèlent un accord entre Tokyo Gas Co. et le gouvernement métropolitain de Tôkyô. Les détails de l’accord doivent encore être dévoilés mais les premiers documents indiquent que Tokyo Gas Co. était dispensé de participer à la décontamination des sols, mais plus étonnant c'est que l'entreprise ne voulait pas céder son terrain à l'état, d'où peut-être la révélation de la pollution des sols en 2001, et que celui en charge des négociations, le vice-gouverneur de l'époque ait proféré ce qui pourrait être interprété comme des menaces à l'encontre de Tokyo Gas Co. Enfin, les négociations finales, et officieuses, auraient été finalisées par le vice-gouverneur de Shintarô ISHIHARA.
Un déménagement très polémique qui n’en finit pas de faire débat, d’autant que l’argent public (près de 86 milliards de yens ont été dépensé uniquement pour la décontamination) mais aussi un investissement financier lourd de la part des professionnels du marché de Tsukiji sont en jeu. En début de semaine, l’ancien gouverneur Shintarô ISHIHARA s’expliquait devant le siège du gouvernement métropolitain de Tôkyô. Il assumait toute sa responsabilité dans la décision du transfert à Toyosu du marché mais il clamait son absence de responsabilité dans l’échec de la décontamination du sol, accusant pour cela ses subordonnés et notamment son vice-gouverneur, et les différents gouverneurs qui étaient à sa place. Mais il persiste à assurer que le site de Toyosu reste plus sûr que celui de Tsukiji, estimant que la décontamination peut être faite rapidement (avec des méthodes peu respectueuses de l’environnement) et critiquant alors la décision de Yuriko KOIKE de repousser ce déménagement. Le nouvel emplacement à Toyosu est, quant à lui, prêt à accueillir le marché de Tsukiji mais la gouverneure de Tôkyô avait déclaré en fin d’année qu’elle donnerait sa décision sur le transfert ou non du marché cet été, précisant que si le déménagement est validé, il ne devrait pas se faire avant l’hiver 2017 voire le printemps 2018. L’expertise demandée par la gouverneure l’été dernier a rendu son verdict, dans lequel les experts déclarent que le transfert d’un marché de poissons peut se faire sans danger malgré la présence de polluants toxiques.
Désormais, la seule décision attendue est celle de la gouverneure afin d’approuver ou de rejeter une bonne fois pour toute le déplacement du marché de Tsukiji à Toyosu. Cette décision mettrait un point final à une affaire coûteuse tant pour les habitants de Tôkyô, qu’à l’état, et les commerçants du marché de Tsukiji. A moins que d’autres révélations gênantes soient divulguées, ce qui repousserait encore la décision à prendre, une question revient souvent dans la presse japonaise : mais pourquoi et comment la métropole de Tôkyô a-t-elle pu approuver la construction d’un marché de poissons sur des terres contaminées ? Et de souligner qu’il est temps pour le gouvernement de faire face à ses incompétences, et de mettre un terme à une débâcle qui n'a que trop duré."
"Le célèbre marché de Tsukiji, situé à Tôkyô, devait déménager à Toyosu en novembre 2016. Déjà sujet à polémique depuis que le gouverneur Shintarô ISHIHARA a confirmé sa relocalisation, contre l’avis des commerçants, ce déménagement semble toujours compromis surtout depuis l'élection de la dernière gouverneure de Tôkyô.
Célèbre marché de poissons, le plus grand dans le monde, le marché de Tsukiji est tant une attraction touristique -avec ses fameuses enchères matinales de thon et plus particulièrement celles du Nouvel An où les prix peuvent battre des records - qu’un marché historique de poissons fondé 400 ans plutôt (mais le lieu tel qu’on le voit de nos jours existe depuis 80 ans, créé après le grand séisme de 1923). Mais ce marché historique est sujet à polémiques alors que son déménagement était prévu dans un nouvel espace de 400 000 m² à Toyosu, plus près de la baie de Tôkyô, pour le 7 novembre 2016, en raison de la vétusté et la dangerosité notamment en cas de tremblement de terre de l���espace actuel. Or peu après son élection comme gouverneure de Tôkyô, Yuriko KOIKE a mis un frein à la décision de ses prédécesseurs, et ce pour des raisons sanitaires et de sécurité. En effet, lorsque Shintarô ISHIHARA, alors gouverneur de la capitale, approuve la construction d'un marché à Toyosu pour déménager celui de Tsukiji en 2007, il s’oppose à l’avis des commerçants (plus tôt ce mois-ci, ils étaient toujours contre avec 70% à déposer leurs signatures pour l’annulation du déménagement), et ce en dépit de la révélation par Tokyo Gas Co. dès 2001, année du début des négociations pour la vente, conclue en 2011, par l’industrie à la ville de Tôkyô, de la contamination des sols et des eaux souterraines de Toyosu par des polluants toxiques. Car Toyosu est un quartier apparu récemment dans l’histoire de la capitale, bâti artificiellement de la main de l’homme après le grand séisme de 1923 ! Sauf que dans les décennies qui ont suivi sa construction, Toyosu a été occupé par des industries et notamment une industrie gazière, Tokyo Gas Co. avant que ces industries ne disparaissent du quartier à la fin des années 1980.
Après ces révélations et le désir de Shintarô ISHIHARA de déplacer malgré tout le marché plutôt que de le reconstruire sur le site historique et de décontaminer le nouveau site, et malgré de nombreux désaccords (déjà !) le déménagement du marché de Tsukiji vers Toyosu est voté en 2012 pour 2014, avant que ce projet ne soit encore repoussé en raison des travaux de décontamination toujours nécessaires pour 2016. Or Yuriko KOIKE est élue gouverneure de Tôkyô fin juillet 2016 et l’une de ses premières actions, le 31 août, est de stopper temporairement le déplacement du marché, prévu alors pour novembre) après avoir découvert que les terres et eaux souterraines étaient toujours fortement polluées alors qu’elles étaient supposées être décontaminées (une révélation émanant du gouvernement métropolitain de Tôkyô en début de ce mois fait état de la présence en 2013 d’un niveau d’arsenic très élevé dans le sol). Les dernières révélations font état d’autres problèmes qui nuisent au transfert du marché, notamment des points à éclaircir liés à la vente par Tokyo Gas Co. à la métropole de Tôkyô. Des documents concernant les négociations pour les conditions de la vente du terrain en 2001 ont été rendus publics en début de mois et ces derniers révèlent un accord entre Tokyo Gas Co. et le gouvernement métropolitain de Tôkyô. Les détails de l’accord doivent encore être dévoilés mais les premiers documents indiquent que Tokyo Gas Co. était dispensé de participer à la décontamination des sols, mais plus étonnant c'est que l'entreprise ne voulait pas céder son terrain à l'état, d'où peut-être la révélation de la pollution des sols en 2001, et que celui en charge des négociations, le vice-gouverneur de l'époque ait proféré ce qui pourrait être interprété comme des menaces à l'encontre de Tokyo Gas Co. Enfin, les négociations finales, et officieuses, auraient été finalisées par le vice-gouverneur de Shintarô ISHIHARA.
Un déménagement très polémique qui n’en finit pas de faire débat, d’autant que l’argent public (près de 86 milliards de yens ont été dépensé uniquement pour la décontamination) mais aussi un investissement financier lourd de la part des professionnels du marché de Tsukiji sont en jeu. En début de semaine, l’ancien gouverneur Shintarô ISHIHARA s’expliquait devant le siège du gouvernement métropolitain de Tôkyô. Il assumait toute sa responsabilité dans la décision du transfert à Toyosu du marché mais il clamait son absence de responsabilité dans l’échec de la décontamination du sol, accusant pour cela ses subordonnés et notamment son vice-gouverneur, et les différents gouverneurs qui étaient à sa place. Mais il persiste à assurer que le site de Toyosu reste plus sûr que celui de Tsukiji, estimant que la décontamination peut être faite rapidement (avec des méthodes peu respectueuses de l’environnement) et critiquant alors la décision de Yuriko KOIKE de repousser ce déménagement. Le nouvel emplacement à Toyosu est, quant à lui, prêt à accueillir le marché de Tsukiji mais la gouverneure de Tôkyô avait déclaré en fin d’année qu’elle donnerait sa décision sur le transfert ou non du marché cet été, précisant que si le déménagement est validé, il ne devrait pas se faire avant l’hiver 2017 voire le printemps 2018. L’expertise demandée par la gouverneure l’été dernier a rendu son verdict, dans lequel les experts déclarent que le transfert d’un marché de poissons peut se faire sans danger malgré la présence de polluants toxiques.
Désormais, la seule décision attendue est celle de la gouverneure afin d’approuver ou de rejeter une bonne fois pour toute le déplacement du marché de Tsukiji à Toyosu. Cette décision mettrait un point final à une affaire coûteuse tant pour les habitants de Tôkyô, qu’à l’état, et les commerçants du marché de Tsukiji. A moins que d’autres révélations gênantes soient divulguées, ce qui repousserait encore la décision à prendre, une question revient souvent dans la presse japonaise : mais pourquoi et comment la métropole de Tôkyô a-t-elle pu approuver la construction d’un marché de poissons sur des terres contaminées ? Et de souligner qu’il est temps pour le gouvernement de faire face à ses incompétences, et de mettre un terme à une débâcle qui n'a que trop duré."
Au fond... c'est la forme qui compte, parole de plongeur !
C'est pas encore fait!
Je reproduis ci-dessous une synthèse de toute cette longue affaire! (sources: Asahi Shimbun, the Japan Times, Courrier International)
Bien que fort intéressante, cette synthèse ne fait que survoler le panier de crabes que représente cette histoire.
Elle touche aux pratiques de plusieurs pans de la corruption et la collusion entre politiciens, administration *, électeurs, entreprises de toutes sortes, dont les lucratifs domaines de la construction et des études de marché/faisabilité, et la mafia (yakuza) .
En gros, - les entreprises installées à et près de Tsukiji ne veulent pas bouger et font du chantage au vote envers le/la gouverneur de Tokyo et les municipalités concernées. - l'administration est indifférente tant que le status-quo ou le changement garantit le maintien ou plutôt l'augmentation des budgets des différents départements concernés. Elle n'aide donc aucunement à une résolution du problème. - Les autorités directement concernées par le changement veulent des garanties quant aux bénéfices (urbanistique, fiscaux, ...) que leur rapporte le site, qu'il reste en l'état ou soit transformé. - Les entreprises, essentiellement immobilières, souhaitent pouvoir développer le site (qui ne l'oublions pas couvre une surface extrêmement importante reliant les rives de la Sumida à Ginza, à leur guise une fois le marché transféré, sans interférence du gouvernement, autre que sous le biais de subventions libres de toute obligation, ni partage des bénéfices. - Les entreprises de construction (et Tokyo gaz et la mafia qui a les doigts dans le fromage de la construction depuis des lustres) ont déjà fait leur beurre avec les installations de Toyosu, qui sont construites (je suis passée devant en mai dernier ...), les routes qui y mènent, les infrastructures portuaires, etc., et espèrent bien faire de même avec le remodelage de Tsukiji, mais c'est moins certain ... - Les spécialistes en planification, dépollution, etc., se remplissent les poches à coups d'expertises, avis, études de marché, etc., et ont tout intérêt à faire durer la comédie (en plus, ils passent pour des saints auprès de la population très sensibilisée à la pollution). - et la mafia joue avec tout ce petit monde, encourageant les peurs de la population, jouant à soutenir les uns et/contre les autres, et influant ainsi sur les élections et les décisions du gouvernement, faisant chanter les entreprises impliquées dans des transactions plus ou moins louches, etc.
* pour comprendre la différence entre les deux, je recommande l'excellente et hilarante série de la BBC "Yes Minister/Yes, Prime Minister", qui explique et démontre que l'opposition au gouvernement en place n'est pas le parti politique adverse mais le corps des fonctionnaires qui reste en place quelle que soit la formation au pouvoir 😉
Bien que fort intéressante, cette synthèse ne fait que survoler le panier de crabes que représente cette histoire.
Elle touche aux pratiques de plusieurs pans de la corruption et la collusion entre politiciens, administration *, électeurs, entreprises de toutes sortes, dont les lucratifs domaines de la construction et des études de marché/faisabilité, et la mafia (yakuza) .
En gros, - les entreprises installées à et près de Tsukiji ne veulent pas bouger et font du chantage au vote envers le/la gouverneur de Tokyo et les municipalités concernées. - l'administration est indifférente tant que le status-quo ou le changement garantit le maintien ou plutôt l'augmentation des budgets des différents départements concernés. Elle n'aide donc aucunement à une résolution du problème. - Les autorités directement concernées par le changement veulent des garanties quant aux bénéfices (urbanistique, fiscaux, ...) que leur rapporte le site, qu'il reste en l'état ou soit transformé. - Les entreprises, essentiellement immobilières, souhaitent pouvoir développer le site (qui ne l'oublions pas couvre une surface extrêmement importante reliant les rives de la Sumida à Ginza, à leur guise une fois le marché transféré, sans interférence du gouvernement, autre que sous le biais de subventions libres de toute obligation, ni partage des bénéfices. - Les entreprises de construction (et Tokyo gaz et la mafia qui a les doigts dans le fromage de la construction depuis des lustres) ont déjà fait leur beurre avec les installations de Toyosu, qui sont construites (je suis passée devant en mai dernier ...), les routes qui y mènent, les infrastructures portuaires, etc., et espèrent bien faire de même avec le remodelage de Tsukiji, mais c'est moins certain ... - Les spécialistes en planification, dépollution, etc., se remplissent les poches à coups d'expertises, avis, études de marché, etc., et ont tout intérêt à faire durer la comédie (en plus, ils passent pour des saints auprès de la population très sensibilisée à la pollution). - et la mafia joue avec tout ce petit monde, encourageant les peurs de la population, jouant à soutenir les uns et/contre les autres, et influant ainsi sur les élections et les décisions du gouvernement, faisant chanter les entreprises impliquées dans des transactions plus ou moins louches, etc.
* pour comprendre la différence entre les deux, je recommande l'excellente et hilarante série de la BBC "Yes Minister/Yes, Prime Minister", qui explique et démontre que l'opposition au gouvernement en place n'est pas le parti politique adverse mais le corps des fonctionnaires qui reste en place quelle que soit la formation au pouvoir 😉
Aux dernières nouvelles, il semble que le transfert soit prévu pour octobre prochain ... plus spécifiquement, le site actuel doit fermer le 6 octobre pour réouvrir à Toyosu le 11. Le marché extérieur de détail ("outer market" - shijo jôgai) restera en place pour une durée indéterminée.
Au fond... c'est la forme qui compte, parole de plongeur !
Le Courrier International a un bon métro de retard. La question des rats est évidemment un problème, comme il l'a été à Paris lors du déménagement des Halles sans que, à ma connaissance, et à celle des membres de ma famille qui habitaient le quartier à l'époque, cela ne pose le gravissime problème que prédisaient les ennemis du déménagement (je viens d'ailleurs de recevoir confirmation de ma maman) ...😉
Les autorités japonaises ont tenu compte de ce genre d'expériences et conduit ces dernières années plusieurs campagnes d'éradication et de confinement de la population de rats pour éviter prolifération et dissémination lors du déménagement.
Les dernières enchères pour le thon ont eu lieu samedi dernier, le déménagement est en cours et Toyosu ouvre la semaine prochaine comme prévu, essentiellement à la satisfaction des principaux acteurs, les grossistes en nourriture.
Les autorités japonaises ont tenu compte de ce genre d'expériences et conduit ces dernières années plusieurs campagnes d'éradication et de confinement de la population de rats pour éviter prolifération et dissémination lors du déménagement.
Les dernières enchères pour le thon ont eu lieu samedi dernier, le déménagement est en cours et Toyosu ouvre la semaine prochaine comme prévu, essentiellement à la satisfaction des principaux acteurs, les grossistes en nourriture.
... et une vidéo montrant ce qui reste du marché de Tsukiji (les commerces de détail et les restaurants) ainsi que la disposition de Toyosu:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl05DnHnxIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl05DnHnxIw
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Hi there,
I just booked my hotel in Seoul—it’ll be near Unhyeongung, on Samil-Daero 30-Gil—and I’m wondering if there’s public transport from the airport to this address (bus or subway)? If not, what’s the taxi fare? I read it’s around 50 or 60 €.
I just booked my hotel in Seoul—it’ll be near Unhyeongung, on Samil-Daero 30-Gil—and I’m wondering if there’s public transport from the airport to this address (bus or subway)? If not, what’s the taxi fare? I read it’s around 50 or 60 €.
I’m traveling to Japan with a young adult with autism (ASD) from July 28 to August 8, following a pretty classic route: Osaka, Hiroshima, Kyoto, and Tokyo. I’m looking for a schedule of the most spectacular fireworks displays during that time. So far, the dates for the major *hanabi* events aren’t available online yet. If anyone has them, I’d really appreciate it if you could share!
Hi there,
We’ll be doing a self-drive trip using public transport in May 2026.
On Day 6, we’ll arrive in Hakone by train from Tokyo in late morning. We’ll spend the night in Hakone before heading to Kyoto.
The main goal of this stop is clearly the view (no hiking) of Mount Fuji, not so much exploring Hakone, where the sights seem limited. I’ve read on the forum that the view is great from Gotemba, but it also takes a good hour by bus to get there. And, apart from that view, there’s nothing else to see in Gotemba!
So, I’m not sure what to choose. Any thoughts? Or alternatives to suggest? Maybe some spots in Hakone or Gotemba for a great view?
Thanks in advance.
We’ll be doing a self-drive trip using public transport in May 2026.
On Day 6, we’ll arrive in Hakone by train from Tokyo in late morning. We’ll spend the night in Hakone before heading to Kyoto.
The main goal of this stop is clearly the view (no hiking) of Mount Fuji, not so much exploring Hakone, where the sights seem limited. I’ve read on the forum that the view is great from Gotemba, but it also takes a good hour by bus to get there. And, apart from that view, there’s nothing else to see in Gotemba!
So, I’m not sure what to choose. Any thoughts? Or alternatives to suggest? Maybe some spots in Hakone or Gotemba for a great view?
Thanks in advance.
Hi everyone, I’m Julien!
This summer, from late June to late July, I’m planning a one-month solo trip to Japan—my first time!
I’d love to hear your thoughts and advice on the itinerary I’ve put together to explore this amazing country.
Here are the routes I’m considering:
**Option 1: More mountain and nature-focused**
Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Here are the routes I’m considering:
**Option 1: More mountain and nature-focused**
Tokyo: 8 nights, with day trips to Nikko and maybe the Izu Peninsula Kawaguchiko (Lake Kawaguchi/Mt. Fuji): 1 night. The place looks stunning, but I’m worried Mt. Fuji might not be visible due to the weather Kyoto: 6–7 nights (including a trip to Nara) Osaka: 1–2 nights, where I’d like to drop off my things to make the Kumano Kodo easier Kumano Kodo: 3 nights—an experience I haven’t seen much elsewhere, but I thought it sounded really interesting Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Takayama: 3 days Kanazawa: 3 days (From what I understand, the Osaka–Takayama–Kanazawa–Tokyo route is convenient for transport) Tokyo: 1 night (return)
**Option 2: More varied but a bit vague in parts**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Kobe + Himeji: just passing through—I’m not sure if it’s worth a night Naoshima: 1 night—still pretty unclear for me Takamatsu: 2 nights. An interesting city, but I’m not sure how long to stay Shimanami Kaido: biking from Imabari to Onomichi, then heading to Hiroshima Hiroshima: 2 nights Miyajima: 1 night Kyushu road trip (Aso + onsens + Fukuoka): 5 nights (also pretty vague—I could fly from Fukuoka back to Tokyo) Tokyo: 1 night
**Option 3: More balanced/simplified**
Tokyo: 8 nights Kawaguchiko: 1 night Kyoto: 7 nights (+ Nara) Osaka: 2 nights Koya-san: 1 night Kumano Kodo: 3 nights Takayama: 3 nights Kanazawa: 3 nights Tokyo: 1 night
A few key points: I haven’t made any reservations yet, except for the flight tickets. I know my plans are too packed and will need to be adjusted. I’m specifically looking for advice on which stops to cut or shorten.
Hello everyone,
Like Cedric13600, I’ve booked a flight ticket for 30 days / 29 nights in September 2026, from Beijing to Shanghai. We’re a couple in our sixties who love independent road trips.
I’d like to draw inspiration from the following private itinerary suggested by a travel agency:
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Day 1: Arrival in Beijing Day 2 to 4: Beijing Day 5: Datong Day 6 & 7: Pingyao Day 8 to 10: Xi'an Day 11: Luoyang Day 12: Dengfeng flight Day 13 & 14: Chongqing flight Day 15 & 16: Lijiang Day 17: Dali Day 18: Kunming Day 19: Jianshui Day 20 & 21: Yuanyang Day 22: Travel via Guilin Day 23 & 24: Yangshuo Day 25: Guilin Day 26 & 27: Zhangjiajie flight Day 28 & 29: Shanghai Day 30: Departure from Shanghai
But to do this itinerary independently: 1. This schedule seems very ambitious to me—what do you think? 2. If it’s too packed, what would you remove as a priority? Thanks so much in advance for your help.
Hello everyone,
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
I’m planning a 5-week trip between Yunnan and Sichuan from mid-October to the end of November 2026: Arriving in Kunming, I’ll do a loop in the far south of Yunnan via Thonghai, Jhiansu, Zhemi, Yuanyang, Nafa, Jinping, Mengzi, and Shilin (visiting markets, villages, and hiking), then head to northern Yunnan/southern Sichuan on the same theme (passing through Kunming again) via Dongchuan, Huize, Qiaojia, Puge, Xichang, Lanba, Butuo, Huolie, Dimo, Riha, Niuniuba, Meigu, Mabian, and Leshan, before arriving in Chengdu (where I’ll take my return flight to Paris). This would be a trip with a strong ethnic/rural focus. Since I’ve never traveled in China, I’d love to hear your thoughts on doing this solo. Are there public transport options in the region? What tips do you have for traveling through this area as smoothly and enjoyably as possible? I’ve done quite a bit of backpacking in the mountains of northern Vietnam and really enjoyed using local motorbike drivers. Is something like that available in this region (through local tourist agencies or hotels)?
What should I be cautious about? Are local tourist agencies (or hotels) offering tours and guides reliable? If you know of any specialized sites sharing tips or experiences, or names of local agencies, hotels, etc., please don’t hesitate to share them! :)
In short, all your advice (on any topic that comes to mind!) is very welcome. Thanks so much!
Hi,
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
While researching South Korea, I came across the term "templestay," which refers to a Korean program that lets you stay in a traditional temple to discover Buddhism and Korean culture by living like the temple residents and doing activities like making lanterns. A templestay isn’t just for foreign tourists—on the booking site, I saw that some temples are more geared toward foreigners, with English-speaking monks.
I was wondering if it’s still worth it, especially in temples where the monks don’t speak English?
I'm 69 years old and heading to China, where most tourist sites are free or discounted for me. However, trip.com either refuses to let me book because the sites are free or doesn’t apply the discount. Does WeChat apply this discount if I book through them? How can I just reserve without paying and pay on-site? Is that possible?
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
How do I upload my passport to WeChat?
Thanks for your tips. Elisabeth
Hi there,
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
I’d love to get some feedback on our 30-day / 29-night itinerary in China. We’ll be there in September as a family with two kids (6 and 10 years old). Do you think I should cut a few nights between Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) and Yangshuo? I’ve planned 15 nights total there. We’ll be on a round-the-world trip starting May 2026 and will need to do schoolwork with the kids. Hoping to fit it in during train rides!! Ever since I started planning this China itinerary, I’ve been discovering completely mind-blowing places I’d never heard of before—30 days feels way too short for China!!!
Here’s our itinerary:
Beijing - 4 nights Forbidden City Great Wall of China Temple of Heaven
Xi’an - 3 nights Terracotta Army Muslim Quarter & Great Mosque
Chengdu - 3 nights Zoo - Research Base of Giant Panda Breeding Wenshu Yuan Temple
Wulingyuan (Avatar Mountain) - 3 nights "Avatar Mountains"
Zhangjiajie - 2 nights Tianmen Mountain
Furong Town - 2 nights
Fenghuang - 2 nights
Guilin - 2 nights Chuanshan Park Guilin Yaoshan Scenic Attraction Reed Flute Cave
Yangshuo - 4 nights Biking along the Yulong River Moon Hill Ruyi Peak Xianggong Hill
Shanghai - 4 nights Shanghai Disneyland Yu Garden / Yuyuan Garden Yuyuan Bazaar
Thanks! Cédric
Hi there,
We just got back from a 2-week trip to China as a couple, and before we left, the budget was the hardest thing to picture concretely. We found plenty of info on visas, apps, transport, and itineraries, but way fewer detailed breakdowns of what you *actually* spend on the ground.
So, we took the time to share our real budget for 14 days. In our case, we spent around 1,800 € per person, with a big chunk of that going toward round-trip flights at about 600 € per person. We were also pretty surprised by how affordable China can be once you’re there—transport is often cheap, and a lot of everyday expenses stay reasonable.
The trickiest part, in the end, was figuring out how to pay while you’re there, since it’s not always obvious if you’re not prepared. But once everything’s set up and you get the hang of it, it’s really smooth.
If this can help other travelers get a better idea before they go, we’ve broken it all down here:
https://aventures-sans-mesaventure.com/budget-2-semaines-de-voyage-en-chine/
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Happy travels and enjoy your adventure! Hélia
Hi everyone,
I’ve been planning several itineraries for a trip to Japan with my wife but would love your insights before we start booking!
In short, we want to go during Golden Week, see late-blooming cherry trees, and have the freedom to get around with a rental car.
Here’s the plan:
18-day itinerary in Japan (April 25 → May 12)
Goal: freedom, late cherry blossoms, culture & nature
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Days 1–3: Tokyo (April 25–27) Arrival and adjustment (no car needed yet). Neighborhoods to visit: Shinjuku, Asakusa, Meiji Jingu, Shibuya, Odaiba. Suggested activities: Ghibli Museum, Sumida River cruise, izakaya meals. Late cherry blossoms (yaezakura) possible at Shinjuku Gyoen. Pick up the rental car on the morning of April 27.
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Days 4–5: Mount Fuji & Hakone (April 27–28) Route: Tokyo → Kawaguchiko/Hakone (~2 h).
Activities: Lake Kawaguchi, Chureito Pagoda (Fuji views + late cherry blossoms) Onsen baths, Hakone Open-Air Museum. Stay: ryokan with onsen and views of Mount Fuji.
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Days 6–7: Takayama & Shirakawa-go (April 29–30) Route: Hakone → Takayama (~4 h).
Activities: Preserved old town, sake breweries, UNESCO village of Shirakawa-go. Stay: traditional minshuku (thatched-roof house). Cherry blossoms are finishing at this altitude — beautiful mountain/nature contrasts. ---
Days 8–10: Kyoto & Nara (May 1–3) Route: Takayama → Kyoto (~4 h 30).
Activities in Kyoto: Fushimi Inari (red torii gates), Golden Pavilion, Arashiyama, Gion (geisha district).
Day trip to Nara: Free-roaming deer in Nara Park, Todai-ji Temple, Kasuga Taisha Shrine. Stay: Kyoto (3 nights).
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Day 11: Osaka or Himeji (May 4) Route: Kyoto → Osaka (~1 h) or Himeji (~1 h 30).
Option 1: Osaka → modern vibe, street food, castle. Option 2: Himeji → stunning UNESCO-listed castle. Stay: Osaka.
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Days 12–13: Kanazawa (May 5–6) Route: Osaka → Kanazawa (~4 h 30).
Activities: Kenroku-en Garden (gorgeous in spring), Omicho Market, samurai district. Stay: Kanazawa.
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Days 14–15: Northern Japan – Aomori / Hirosaki (May 7–8) Route: Kanazawa → Aomori (~7 h, possible to break via Sendai).
Activities: Hirosaki Castle Park (peak bloom early May). Northern onsen (e.g., Sukayu). Stay: Hirosaki or Aomori.
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Days 16–17: Nikko (May 9–10) Route: Aomori → Nikko (~6 h).
Activities: Toshogu Shrine, Kegon Falls, Lake Chuzenji. Stay: Nikko.
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Day 18: Return to Tokyo & Relax in Kamakura (May 11–12) Route: Nikko → Kamakura (~3 h) → Tokyo (~1 h).
Activities: Great Buddha, Zen temples, seaside at Enoshima. Final night: Tokyo before the return flight.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
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Days 1–3: Tokyo (April 25–27) Arrival and adjustment (no car needed yet). Neighborhoods to visit: Shinjuku, Asakusa, Meiji Jingu, Shibuya, Odaiba. Suggested activities: Ghibli Museum, Sumida River cruise, izakaya meals. Late cherry blossoms (yaezakura) possible at Shinjuku Gyoen. Pick up the rental car on the morning of April 27.
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Days 4–5: Mount Fuji & Hakone (April 27–28) Route: Tokyo → Kawaguchiko/Hakone (~2 h).
Activities: Lake Kawaguchi, Chureito Pagoda (Fuji views + late cherry blossoms) Onsen baths, Hakone Open-Air Museum. Stay: ryokan with onsen and views of Mount Fuji.
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Days 6–7: Takayama & Shirakawa-go (April 29–30) Route: Hakone → Takayama (~4 h).
Activities: Preserved old town, sake breweries, UNESCO village of Shirakawa-go. Stay: traditional minshuku (thatched-roof house). Cherry blossoms are finishing at this altitude — beautiful mountain/nature contrasts. ---
Days 8–10: Kyoto & Nara (May 1–3) Route: Takayama → Kyoto (~4 h 30).
Activities in Kyoto: Fushimi Inari (red torii gates), Golden Pavilion, Arashiyama, Gion (geisha district).
Day trip to Nara: Free-roaming deer in Nara Park, Todai-ji Temple, Kasuga Taisha Shrine. Stay: Kyoto (3 nights).
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Day 11: Osaka or Himeji (May 4) Route: Kyoto → Osaka (~1 h) or Himeji (~1 h 30).
Option 1: Osaka → modern vibe, street food, castle. Option 2: Himeji → stunning UNESCO-listed castle. Stay: Osaka.
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Days 12–13: Kanazawa (May 5–6) Route: Osaka → Kanazawa (~4 h 30).
Activities: Kenroku-en Garden (gorgeous in spring), Omicho Market, samurai district. Stay: Kanazawa.
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Days 14–15: Northern Japan – Aomori / Hirosaki (May 7–8) Route: Kanazawa → Aomori (~7 h, possible to break via Sendai).
Activities: Hirosaki Castle Park (peak bloom early May). Northern onsen (e.g., Sukayu). Stay: Hirosaki or Aomori.
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Days 16–17: Nikko (May 9–10) Route: Aomori → Nikko (~6 h).
Activities: Toshogu Shrine, Kegon Falls, Lake Chuzenji. Stay: Nikko.
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Day 18: Return to Tokyo & Relax in Kamakura (May 11–12) Route: Nikko → Kamakura (~3 h) → Tokyo (~1 h).
Activities: Great Buddha, Zen temples, seaside at Enoshima. Final night: Tokyo before the return flight.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
hi! Is it easy to use for paying for all the small purchases at the markets? INSTALLATION AND USE WITHOUT ISSUES—do you also need a VPN for China?
Secondly, for using phone and internet, I have Orange—is it reliable, or should I go with Airalo instead?
Hi there,
The info I found on the forum is a bit outdated, so I’m asking again!
1) What budget should I plan for 15 days, given that hotels with breakfast, transfers, and transport are already paid for? I know it depends on the person, but I’d love a rough idea. For meals, we’re thinking simple street food or small local restaurants.
2) I’ve heard that credit cards (we each have a Revolut + 1 Visa Premier) aren’t widely used and that it’s better to have cash. Can you confirm?
3) Are foreign credit cards still not accepted at bank ATMs? Still 7-Eleven or the Post Office? And what about American Express?
Thanks in advance, Best regards
The info I found on the forum is a bit outdated, so I’m asking again!
1) What budget should I plan for 15 days, given that hotels with breakfast, transfers, and transport are already paid for? I know it depends on the person, but I’d love a rough idea. For meals, we’re thinking simple street food or small local restaurants.
2) I’ve heard that credit cards (we each have a Revolut + 1 Visa Premier) aren’t widely used and that it’s better to have cash. Can you confirm?
3) Are foreign credit cards still not accepted at bank ATMs? Still 7-Eleven or the Post Office? And what about American Express?
Thanks in advance, Best regards
I'm planning a 19-day itinerary in Japan this summer.
For a first trip, Kyoto seems like a must. For the rest, I'm torn between:
- Matsumoto, Takayama, Kanazawa for 5 to 6 days
- Kyoto 4 days
- Nara 2 days
- Koyasan 1 day
- Hakone/Mount Fuji 2 to 3 days
- Tokyo 3 days
Or dedicating the first 6 days to Kyushu.
Maybe there’s less traditional Japan in Kyushu compared to the Japanese Alps? Maybe Kyushu is less crowded? Thanks for your thoughts!
Or dedicating the first 6 days to Kyushu.
Maybe there’s less traditional Japan in Kyushu compared to the Japanese Alps? Maybe Kyushu is less crowded? Thanks for your thoughts!
Hello,
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
We’re planning a 17-day trip to South Korea in October 2026 with my husband and our daughters, who’ll be 9 years old.
I’d love to get your thoughts on our draft itinerary.
First, some key details:
1/ Jeju Island is a must for us. I’ve personally dreamed of going there for years after reading a novel about it. 2/ Our girls are used to road-trip style travel since they were born, so this kind of trip won’t be an issue for them. 3/ We plan to travel by train, except on Jeju where we’ll rent a car (we already have an international driver’s permit).
Itinerary:
Seoul: 1 arrival day at 10 AM + 4 full days Gyeongju: 2 days Busan: 3 days Jeju: 4 days Seoul: 2 days
Thanks for your feedback! Have a great day,
Sabrina
Hi there!
I’ll be in Hong Kong from December 31 to January 3, 2027.
Any recommendations for things to see or do?
I’ll be staying in the Kowloon district.
I’d love to visit Lantau Island—what’s the best way to get there? And would you recommend buying a skip-the-line ticket for the cable car? Also, is there an entry fee for the Big Buddha?
I’ll be in Hong Kong from December 31 to January 3, 2027.
Any recommendations for things to see or do?
I’ll be staying in the Kowloon district.
I’d love to visit Lantau Island—what’s the best way to get there? And would you recommend buying a skip-the-line ticket for the cable car? Also, is there an entry fee for the Big Buddha?
Hi everyone who’s reading this!
I’m heading to Taiwan soon and would love some up-to-date info on Wi-Fi. From what I’ve gathered, Taiwan offers it for free, but I’ve heard it’s not secure since it’s not protected by a "password." Since I’ve been traveling outside the EU for years without a local SIM card, I only use Wi-Fi in hotels, restaurants, and cafés. For me, that’s more than enough. So, my question is: Do these places secure their Wi-Fi with a "password"? If not, does buying a SIM card or eSIM seem like the only alternative?
Also, if any of you have recommendations for budget-friendly hotels in the main "cities," I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance for your replies! !
I’m heading to Taiwan soon and would love some up-to-date info on Wi-Fi. From what I’ve gathered, Taiwan offers it for free, but I’ve heard it’s not secure since it’s not protected by a "password." Since I’ve been traveling outside the EU for years without a local SIM card, I only use Wi-Fi in hotels, restaurants, and cafés. For me, that’s more than enough. So, my question is: Do these places secure their Wi-Fi with a "password"? If not, does buying a SIM card or eSIM seem like the only alternative?
Also, if any of you have recommendations for budget-friendly hotels in the main "cities," I’d love to hear them!
Thanks in advance for your replies! !
Hi there,
We’re planning a trip to China for two at the beginning of April and want to spend 2 nights in the Longji Rice Terraces—either in Dazhai, Tiantouzhaï, or Ping'an. I’ve seen that most of the hotels are made of bamboo, and you can hear every little noise. Since my husband is a very light sleeper, he’d really like to be sure he’ll get a good night’s rest. Can you recommend any quiet, well-soundproofed hotels in the area?
Thanks in advance! !
We’re planning a trip to China for two at the beginning of April and want to spend 2 nights in the Longji Rice Terraces—either in Dazhai, Tiantouzhaï, or Ping'an. I’ve seen that most of the hotels are made of bamboo, and you can hear every little noise. Since my husband is a very light sleeper, he’d really like to be sure he’ll get a good night’s rest. Can you recommend any quiet, well-soundproofed hotels in the area?
Thanks in advance! !
Hello everyone,
I’m reaching out to you because I’m planning our next big trip (Japan is really tempting us for the autumn!) and I have to admit, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed.
My husband and I have always loved traveling, and at 75, we have no intention of stopping... But I find that everything’s getting so complicated. I try to be "modern" by booking online, but as soon as there’s a problem, we hit a wall.
A friend nearly missed her departure last year because of a visa issue that wasn’t explained properly on a website... and no one to call for help, just automated messages.
It makes me a little nervous to be alone in front of a screen so far away, especially since at our age, we like knowing there’s real support if our health takes a turn while we’re there.
Anyway, I’m tired of seeing my file passed from one person to another without ever having the same contact... Do you know of any small, trustworthy agencies or people who still work the "old-fashioned" way and really look after their clients? I love my independence, but I need a real face behind my project.
Thanks in advance for your advice, and I look forward to reading your replies, Catherine
I’m reaching out to you because I’m planning our next big trip (Japan is really tempting us for the autumn!) and I have to admit, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed.
My husband and I have always loved traveling, and at 75, we have no intention of stopping... But I find that everything’s getting so complicated. I try to be "modern" by booking online, but as soon as there’s a problem, we hit a wall.
A friend nearly missed her departure last year because of a visa issue that wasn’t explained properly on a website... and no one to call for help, just automated messages.
It makes me a little nervous to be alone in front of a screen so far away, especially since at our age, we like knowing there’s real support if our health takes a turn while we’re there.
Anyway, I’m tired of seeing my file passed from one person to another without ever having the same contact... Do you know of any small, trustworthy agencies or people who still work the "old-fashioned" way and really look after their clients? I love my independence, but I need a real face behind my project.
Thanks in advance for your advice, and I look forward to reading your replies, Catherine
Hi everyone,
I’m planning our trip to Japan from March 21 to April 11, 2026. We’re planning to travel by plane for long distances (Okinawa) and by train for the rest. I’d like to know if renting a car is easy and, most importantly, if driving with road signs written in Japanese isn’t too complicated. For trains, are there any tips to save money?
Thanks for your advice!
I’m planning our trip to Japan from March 21 to April 11, 2026. We’re planning to travel by plane for long distances (Okinawa) and by train for the rest. I’d like to know if renting a car is easy and, most importantly, if driving with road signs written in Japanese isn’t too complicated. For trains, are there any tips to save money?
Thanks for your advice!
hi everyone, and first of all, I wish you all a happy new year and good health!
This coming October or November, we’re planning our first trip to Japan. The only downside is we’ll only have two weeks off.
For this first visit, I’m thinking of sticking to the Kyoto and Osaka area… saving Tokyo for another trip. Do you think that’s a good choice for a first-time visit?
I’ve put together a little itinerary below to get some feedback from those in the know. I’m only counting the days we’re actually there, not travel days.
Day 1: Kyoto Ginkaku-ji – Philosopher’s Path with stops at a few shrines temples Eikan-dō and Nanzen-ji visit to the Samurai Ninja Museum in the late afternoon
Day 2: Kyoto Fushimi Inari (allow 4 hours for the hike through the park) visit to Sanjūsangen-dō temple Shōseien garden participate in a tea ceremony
Day 3: Kyoto Kiyomizu-dera temple stroll through the historic district up to Kennin-ji temple visit Kennin-ji temple Yasaka-jinja shrine and Gion district in the late afternoon return to the hotel via Pontochō Street
Day 4: Kyoto visit Kinkaku-ji and Nijō Castle visit the Imperial Palace gardens end the day in the shopping streets (Shibkyogoku and Teramachi, among others)
Day 5: Kyoto Arashiyama area Togetsukyo Bridge, walk along the river, visit the Bamboo Forest explore the area up to Otagi Nenbutsu-ji temple
Day 6: Kyoto hike from Kibune to Kurama
Day 7: Kyoto day trip to Nara (full day)
Day 8: stroll around Kyoto before heading to Osaka
Day 9: Osaka Katsuo-ji temple, then head to Minoh Falls and hike back via the Minoh Trail end the day in the Osaka Castle area
Day 10: Osaka Himeji Castle and an afternoon in Osaka
Day 11: Osaka Osaka and return to the airport in the late afternoon for the flight home
Do you think this itinerary is doable? Are some days too relaxed or too packed? I was thinking of adding a trip to Lake Biwa and Uji, but in that case, I’d have to cut some things. Are those places worth dropping some of the planned spots? And if so, which ones would you recommend cutting or shortening?
Thanks in advance—I’m all ears for both positive and negative feedback! stephane
This coming October or November, we’re planning our first trip to Japan. The only downside is we’ll only have two weeks off.
For this first visit, I’m thinking of sticking to the Kyoto and Osaka area… saving Tokyo for another trip. Do you think that’s a good choice for a first-time visit?
I’ve put together a little itinerary below to get some feedback from those in the know. I’m only counting the days we’re actually there, not travel days.
Day 1: Kyoto Ginkaku-ji – Philosopher’s Path with stops at a few shrines temples Eikan-dō and Nanzen-ji visit to the Samurai Ninja Museum in the late afternoon
Day 2: Kyoto Fushimi Inari (allow 4 hours for the hike through the park) visit to Sanjūsangen-dō temple Shōseien garden participate in a tea ceremony
Day 3: Kyoto Kiyomizu-dera temple stroll through the historic district up to Kennin-ji temple visit Kennin-ji temple Yasaka-jinja shrine and Gion district in the late afternoon return to the hotel via Pontochō Street
Day 4: Kyoto visit Kinkaku-ji and Nijō Castle visit the Imperial Palace gardens end the day in the shopping streets (Shibkyogoku and Teramachi, among others)
Day 5: Kyoto Arashiyama area Togetsukyo Bridge, walk along the river, visit the Bamboo Forest explore the area up to Otagi Nenbutsu-ji temple
Day 6: Kyoto hike from Kibune to Kurama
Day 7: Kyoto day trip to Nara (full day)
Day 8: stroll around Kyoto before heading to Osaka
Day 9: Osaka Katsuo-ji temple, then head to Minoh Falls and hike back via the Minoh Trail end the day in the Osaka Castle area
Day 10: Osaka Himeji Castle and an afternoon in Osaka
Day 11: Osaka Osaka and return to the airport in the late afternoon for the flight home
Do you think this itinerary is doable? Are some days too relaxed or too packed? I was thinking of adding a trip to Lake Biwa and Uji, but in that case, I’d have to cut some things. Are those places worth dropping some of the planned spots? And if so, which ones would you recommend cutting or shortening?
Thanks in advance—I’m all ears for both positive and negative feedback! stephane
Hi there,
I’m planning a trip to Japan in April/May.
I’ll start my journey in Tokyo for 3 to 4 days.
I’d love your advice on accommodation, transportation, an itinerary, and whether a guide would be useful.
I’m traveling solo and could use a little reassurance.
Before I forget... how do payments work?
Thanks for your help, Petra
Thanks for your help, Petra
Hi there,
I’m looking for someone who could help me organize a trip to Japan for my niece and her son. I’ve seen that French-speaking guides are expensive, and the same goes for going through a tour operator.
Airline, local transportation, hotels, etc.
Thanks for your replies!
Betsyl